Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] FW: Lunar origin of tektites

2005-03-25 Thread Norman Lehrman
Sterling,

Fabulous exposition!  That one cost me some more
printer ink.  I do have a few questions and comments.

No trace of terrestrial material?  I'm not sure I
understand.  If you mean no embedded clasts from the
target surface, I agree.  That is very odd,
considering the obvious plastic deformation of the
splatforms.  But if you are talking composition, the
elemental and isotopic mix is (reportedly) quite
terrestrial looking.  I'm not sure what else one could
hope for.

No matter where they came from, some should've skipped
around on top of the atmosphere and made their final
entry far from the main bulk of the fall.  You have
cited some really interesting examples.  Does your
emphasis on antipodal points have particular
significance?  For example, if an object narrowly
misses re-entry angles is the next best shot
antipodal?

I am not at all content with the volume estimates for
the North American (Georgiaite/Bediasite) strewn
field.  Since we can only see the eroded edges of the
host strata, our perspective is very limited.  The
total recovered mass is trivial.  Some monstrous
assumptions are involved in the oft-quoted estimates.

While on the subject of the North American tektites,
one of my favorite questions is why there is such a
marked difference between Georgiaites and Bediasites? 
Some argue for melts sourced at different depths (and
target compositions) in the source crater, but this
doesn't strike a full chord with me.

Regarding Rayleigh Taylor instability, you are way
beyond me.  But if I understand you (a little), part
of the problem is the lack of apparent mixing of the
target and impactor materials.  I have never heard of
this lack.  Tiny Ni-Fe beads are reported in a variety
of meteorites, and I have always believed (without
proof) that the inky blackness of all but the
moldavites might well be due to integration of
impactor Fe.

Your discussion involving the missing Australasian
crater is excellent.  This thing cannot be easily
hidden.  We should be able to still hear the earth
ringing with reverbrations.  This is a huge problem. 

I am also perplexed by the objects that I term
splatforms---tektites that have clearly splatted
while still significantly plastic.  How far can a blob
of molten glass travel before it cools sufficiently
that it can no longer splat?  tens of kilometers? 
hundreds?  Splatforms are found from south China
through Laos, Thailand, Vietnam---and of the
Tibetanites are real, Tibet.  A huge area.  Exactly
the same thing can be said for Muong Nongs.  Same
areal distribution, no evidence of flight.

Further, if you want a full kilo specimen, you'll have
to go to the Philippines.  The big ones flew a long
ways---but NOT to the far end of the strewn fiel like
most meteorites.  Most Australites are relatively
tiny.

Antarctica.  Not a small point by any means.  Where
are the tektites?  

Good stuff.  Keep on ruminating!

Cheers,
Norm
http://taktitesource.com


 
--- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Hey! If Rob says he can't figure out a way
 to get tektites
  shipped in from the Moon, it's good enough for
 me,  But then, I
  never thought they came from the Moon.  The
 lunar origin theory
  is an old one.  In fact, all of the 40-odd
 theories of the origin
  of tektites are old (and most of them are odd,
 too).
  It might surprise meteorite fanciers to
 know that the
  argument over tektites goes back to the time
 when meteorites were
  still regarded as a myth or of being formed by
 thunder!  The
  first speculation about tektite origins dates
 from 1793, more
  than a decade before the French Academy was
 persuaded by the
  L'Aigle fall that rocks really did fall from
 the sky.
  To those with long memories, I will recall
 to them the late
  List member Darryl Futrell, who supported the
 lunar origin
  theory, more from geological evidence than
 orbital
  considerations.  I corresponded a lot with
 Darryl and I believe
  he did so more out of loyalty to the late John
 O'Keefe than being
  really convinced by the theory.
  Take a look at:
  
 

http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2001-May/024512.html
  
  
 

http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2001-May/024513.html
  
  
 

http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2001-March/022903.html
  
 
  The current orthodox theory of tektite
 origin is the impact
  theory:  that tektites are modified terrestrial
 surface rocks,
  modified by impact into molten drops, ejected
 into orbits above
  the atmosphere where they are rapidly cooled,
 which then re-enter
  the atmosphere at hypersonic velocities where
 they are re-heated
  and further modified in their descent to the
 surface of the
  Earth.
  It sounds perfectly reasonable.  It
 powerfully explains the
  great variety of tektite shapes and many 

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] FW: Lunar origin of tektites

2005-03-25 Thread AL Mitterling
Hi Norman and all,
The Georgia Tektites are not inky black but are greenish also. The 
Bediasites are dark but not totally black. I might have misunderstood 
your statement.

Norman Lehrman wrote:
I have always believed (without proof) that the inky blackness of all 
but the moldavites might well be due to integration of impactor Fe.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] FW: Lunar origin of tektites

2005-03-25 Thread Norman Lehrman
Al  list,

Fair enough!  The Georgiaites are a greenish straw
yellow, and about 3% of the Bediasites are a
translucent molasses colorbut 97% of them are very
black, as are Ivory Coasts, and most (but not all
Australasians.  Like I said earlier, doubt anyone who
uses the terms always or never even if it's me!

Cheers,
Norm


--- AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Norman and all,
 
 The Georgia Tektites are not inky black but are
 greenish also. The 
 Bediasites are dark but not totally black. I might
 have misunderstood 
 your statement.
 
 Norman Lehrman wrote:
 
 I have always believed (without proof) that the inky
 blackness of all 
 but the moldavites might well be due to integration
 of impactor Fe.
 
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