Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
Hello Adam, I'm not sure that I understand when you say that you no longer chase falls and haven't for years. Weren't you here in WI chasing down Livingston a week or so ago? Please don't take offence, as that is not my intention. Just wondering. Kind Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:04:39 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls Hi Aziz and List, Attempting to figure out meteorite pricing is a difficult challenge. The very best you can do is follow trends. In the case of new falls, hype will increase prices only temporarily then they tend to plunge dramatically. I stopped trying to figure out the hammer stone thing a long time ago. I can not figure out why, New Orleans which penetrated a house top to bottom only sells for between $25.00 to $40.00/gram when there was only a single stone in which very little was released. Claxton which weighs much less than Peekskill and hit a smaller target is currently selling for less than this new fall which is just an ordinary although beautiful chondrite. Completely crusted Pultusk peas only sell for about $40.00/gram at most and offer significant historical value. Although Moroccan meteorite falls sell for much less, they are none the less rare. I have done much better investing in Moroccan falls than North American falls, neither of which I invest in anymore. I no longer chase falls and haven't for years. These days, I usually pick up a single specimen of each for my collection after the hype has died down. I have lost money on nearly every recent fall I have ever invested in by jumping in too soon. I learned the hard way. I find it much more enjoyable pursuing cold finds with hopes of nailing down the first North American Lunar. I guess if a fall were to hit here in Nevada, I might chase some of it down but would get out before things turned ugly. A lot of Nevadans love their guns and it is not uncommon at all to run into people in the field wearing them on the the hip, cocked and ready to rock. I hear people shooting off guns in the desert all of the time here in Laughlin, Nevada. Even the local preacher can be found plinking cans out in the desert a few blocks from my house. Luckily everybody I have run into out in the field here has been friendly so far. I think this would change if they ever felt they were being ripped off. I am surpised with all this talk of big money and meteorites, nobody has been shot yet although I have heard of a few close calls. The dollar cost averaging statement that was recently made makes no sense at all to me. When did meteorites become commodities? Dollar cost averaging down doesn't seem like a sound investment. From a collector's standpoint, I think showing some restraint and waiting is a better move than paying when the hype is maximum. If you think of meteorites as mere commodities, you are missing the real value. Sometimes, things are worth more than just the price tag somebody has arbitrarily attached to them and I am not talking about monetary value. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
.. I just realized after sending my previous email that I had once again gotten the Hupe brothers mixed up. My sincere apologies. Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:04:39 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls Hi Aziz and List, Attempting to figure out meteorite pricing is a difficult challenge. The very best you can do is follow trends. In the case of new falls, hype will increase prices only temporarily then they tend to plunge dramatically. I stopped trying to figure out the hammer stone thing a long time ago. I can not figure out why, New Orleans which penetrated a house top to bottom only sells for between $25.00 to $40.00/gram when there was only a single stone in which very little was released. Claxton which weighs much less than Peekskill and hit a smaller target is currently selling for less than this new fall which is just an ordinary although beautiful chondrite. Completely crusted Pultusk peas only sell for about $40.00/gram at most and offer significant historical value. Although Moroccan meteorite falls sell for much less, they are none the less rare. I have done much better investing in Moroccan falls than North American falls, neither of which I invest in anymore. I no longer chase falls and haven't for years. These days, I usually pick up a single specimen of each for my collection after the hype has died down. I have lost money on nearly every recent fall I have ever invested in by jumping in too soon. I learned the hard way. I find it much more enjoyable pursuing cold finds with hopes of nailing down the first North American Lunar. I guess if a fall were to hit here in Nevada, I might chase some of it down but would get out before things turned ugly. A lot of Nevadans love their guns and it is not uncommon at all to run into people in the field wearing them on the the hip, cocked and ready to rock. I hear people shooting off guns in the desert all of the time here in Laughlin, Nevada. Even the local preacher can be found plinking cans out in the desert a few blocks from my house. Luckily everybody I have run into out in the field here has been friendly so far. I think this would change if they ever felt they were being ripped off. I am surpised with all this talk of big money and meteorites, nobody has been shot yet although I have heard of a few close calls. The dollar cost averaging statement that was recently made makes no sense at all to me. When did meteorites become commodities? Dollar cost averaging down doesn't seem like a sound investment. From a collector's standpoint, I think showing some restraint and waiting is a better move than paying when the hype is maximum. If you think of meteorites as mere commodities, you are missing the real value. Sometimes, things are worth more than just the price tag somebody has arbitrarily attached to them and I am not talking about monetary value. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
Simple: DEMAND. US and European falls are always sought after more than ANY other falls. From my sales of meteorites over the last 13+ years, the US and European FALLS fly off the shelves whereas Moroccan meteorites, take some time (sometimes YEARS to sell). Furthermore, the majority of collectors in the world are from the US and Europe, which drives up the demand. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:41:41 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls Dear list members, I was wondering about the price about the two falls, Wisconsin and Tamdakht ( nwa fall example). why does Wisconsin is expensive more than Tamdakht 30 times? is it because of the TKW, the a video of the fireball was taken or tamdakht was felt in NWW ( since nwa is known with the cheapest meteorites in the planet because people here are poor). The most thing I noticed is that UShunters have one word, otherwise some NWA dealers who do not have access to such a fall try to breake it by saying there is 500kg or a Ton, btw, does anyone know what's the TKW of Tamdakht? My experience tells me even a common chondrite falls in Europe or US would cost 30 times the same material falls in NWA, i klnow that USand europe have stong economy, but it's about meteorite fall, no matter where it falls. Please let me knwo what is the difference between NWA falls and American/european falls!!! what about a US lunar find, i think it would cost $30k a gram. I really hope to ge some reasonable questions!! My best and happy hunting to our friend in the Wisconsin field. Aziz, Suffron guy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
Which is very ironic seeing as how most NWA falls remain very stable and weather very little to none when recovered soon after the fall. Just goes to show how much of a deal NWA meteorites are. Hope everyone is doing good! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Fri, 4/30/10, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: From: m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls To: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 9:47 PM Simple: DEMAND. US and European falls are always sought after more than ANY other falls. From my sales of meteorites over the last 13+ years, the US and European FALLS fly off the shelves whereas Moroccan meteorites, take some time (sometimes YEARS to sell). Furthermore, the majority of collectors in the world are from the US and Europe, which drives up the demand. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:41:41 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls Dear list members, I was wondering about the price about the two falls, Wisconsin and Tamdakht ( nwa fall example). why does Wisconsin is expensive more than Tamdakht 30 times? is it because of the TKW, the a video of the fireball was taken or tamdakht was felt in NWW ( since nwa is known with the cheapest meteorites in the planet because people here are poor). The most thing I noticed is that UShunters have one word, otherwise some NWA dealers who do not have access to such a fall try to breake it by saying there is 500kg or a Ton, btw, does anyone know what's the TKW of Tamdakht? My experience tells me even a common chondrite falls in Europe or US would cost 30 times the same material falls in NWA, i klnow that USand europe have stong economy, but it's about meteorite fall, no matter where it falls. Please let me knwo what is the difference between NWA falls and American/european falls!!! what about a US lunar find, i think it would cost $30k a gram. I really hope to ge some reasonable questions!! My best and happy hunting to our friend in the Wisconsin field. Aziz, Suffron guy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
Hi Aziz, I think it shows, most of all, that collectors identify more with falls that have occurred in their country of origin -- particularly falls such as this that have been sensationalized by strong media coverage, multiple videos of the fireball, the strongest Doppler radar returns of any U.S. (or southern Canadian) fall since NEXRAD came online 15 years ago, and recoveries by meteorite hunters that are familiar to the majority of this list. As far as I know, no Morrocan fall has ever been recorded on video, and certainly no radar data exists showing the dust trail from such a fall. Scientifically, any meteorite from a Moroccan (or NWA) fall is every bit as valuable as a similar meteorite from a U.S. or European fall. However, a fall like the SW Wisconsin fall has the ~additional~ scientific value of having a reasonably determinable precursor asteroid orbit, something that is quite rare even among U.S./European falls. Best wishes, Rob P.S. If anyone has a photo repository where they would like to archive the 15 NEXRAD Doppler radar scans I've created for the Wisconsin fall, I would be happy to provide them. They are color JPEG image captures from the NOAA Weather and Climate Toolkit display, and I have given them filenames that are indicative of the approximate GMT time that each scan was made. For anyone interesting in hunting the Livingston/Mifflin/Mineral Point fall, I would think you would benefit greatly from having these. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Abdelaziz Alhyane Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:42 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls Dear list members, I was wondering about the price about the two falls, Wisconsin and Tamdakht ( nwa fall example). why does Wisconsin is expensive more than Tamdakht 30 times? is it because of the TKW, the a video of the fireball was taken or tamdakht was felt in NWW ( since nwa is known with the cheapest meteorites in the planet because people here are poor). The most thing I noticed is that UShunters have one word, otherwise some NWA dealers who do not have access to such a fall try to breake it by saying there is 500kg or a Ton, btw, does anyone know what's the TKW of Tamdakht? My experience tells me even a common chondrite falls in Europe or US would cost 30 times the same material falls in NWA, i klnow that USand europe have stong economy, but it's about meteorite fall, no matter where it falls. Please let me knwo what is the difference between NWA falls and American/european falls!!! what about a US lunar find, i think it would cost $30k a gram. I really hope to ge some reasonable questions!! My best and happy hunting to our friend in the Wisconsin field. Aziz, Suffron guy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
Hmm... I suppose Tagish Lake the Hammer Hysteria are the base or were the turning point, for some - by far not all - high prices (in relation to 10 years ago) we observe these years with new falls. Uh Ourique then was 10$. Portugal seems not to be Europe, it took me years to sell my last piece recently at 15$ - seen the inflation, almost the same Hammami, Zag, Thuathe, Kilabo, Kunya-Urgench, Oum Dreyga, Bensour, Benguerir, Chergach, Bassi, Tamdakht, (also the later finds of Kainsaz, Vengerovo...) If I think 30 years back, then it's 0.4-1.2$/g - definitely in those times new falls were not available at such rates and definitely not in that quality. Hosur (remember Orissa?), Bouzzard Coulee very reasonable. Millbillillie, Tenham, Camel Donga, Estherville - cheap like they weren't the last 30 years anymore. Almost all larger irons were cheaper than ever before. Due to the new finds. And before small irons grew large and got cheap. Pallasites below 2$ in former times? Forget it if it wasn't a dead Huckitta. Ungettable historics like Boguslavka came very moderate... And quite ALL rare types, as soon as they are from the deserts, cost a fifth down to the fiftieth part of the decades before. With some exceptions, which are on the way back to a more normal level And future isn't looking so bright anymore.. Anyway - I think we shouldn't always look to the extreme end. We are still living in the best times for meteorites ever! And if we'll get some more reasonable laws, it still can stay so! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Mai 2010 03:48 An: Abdelaziz Alhyane; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls Simple: DEMAND. US and European falls are always sought after more than ANY other falls. From my sales of meteorites over the last 13+ years, the US and European FALLS fly off the shelves whereas Moroccan meteorites, take some time (sometimes YEARS to sell). Furthermore, the majority of collectors in the world are from the US and Europe, which drives up the demand. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
Hi Aziz and List, Attempting to figure out meteorite pricing is a difficult challenge. The very best you can do is follow trends. In the case of new falls, hype will increase prices only temporarily then they tend to plunge dramatically. I stopped trying to figure out the hammer stone thing a long time ago. I can not figure out why, New Orleans which penetrated a house top to bottom only sells for between $25.00 to $40.00/gram when there was only a single stone in which very little was released. Claxton which weighs much less than Peekskill and hit a smaller target is currently selling for less than this new fall which is just an ordinary although beautiful chondrite. Completely crusted Pultusk peas only sell for about $40.00/gram at most and offer significant historical value. Although Moroccan meteorite falls sell for much less, they are none the less rare. I have done much better investing in Moroccan falls than North American falls, neither of which I invest in anymore. I no longer chase falls and haven't for years. These days, I usually pick up a single specimen of each for my collection after the hype has died down. I have lost money on nearly every recent fall I have ever invested in by jumping in too soon. I learned the hard way. I find it much more enjoyable pursuing cold finds with hopes of nailing down the first North American Lunar. I guess if a fall were to hit here in Nevada, I might chase some of it down but would get out before things turned ugly. A lot of Nevadans love their guns and it is not uncommon at all to run into people in the field wearing them on the the hip, cocked and ready to rock. I hear people shooting off guns in the desert all of the time here in Laughlin, Nevada. Even the local preacher can be found plinking cans out in the desert a few blocks from my house. Luckily everybody I have run into out in the field here has been friendly so far. I think this would change if they ever felt they were being ripped off. I am surpised with all this talk of big money and meteorites, nobody has been shot yet although I have heard of a few close calls. The dollar cost averaging statement that was recently made makes no sense at all to me. When did meteorites become commodities? Dollar cost averaging down doesn't seem like a sound investment. From a collector's standpoint, I think showing some restraint and waiting is a better move than paying when the hype is maximum. If you think of meteorites as mere commodities, you are missing the real value. Sometimes, things are worth more than just the price tag somebody has arbitrarily attached to them and I am not talking about monetary value. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
