Re: [uf-discuss] Digg joins DataPortability Project (Microformats mentioned)

[Tantek Çelik]

On 1/29/08 6:24 PM, "Manu Sporny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Digg has joined the DataPortability[1] Project:
> 
> http://blog.digg.com/?p=108
> 
>> From the piece:
> 
> "Just this week, we added MicroID, a Microformat that lets you prove to
> other services that you own your Digg user profile."
> 
> Since when was "MicroID" a Microformat? Reading through the spec, it
> does some very non-microformatty things:
> 
> 5

Manu you are correct, MicroID is *not* a microformat.  It did not follow the
process, and violates numerous microformats principles.

It can however be described as an attempt to represent some meaning in
semantic HTML (although storing such potentially arbitrary data values in
the class attribute is an anti-pattern).

Thus it is at best a poshformat and I will list it there.

http://microformats.org/wiki/poshformats


> It's great that they're doing the whole data portability thing, but
> looks like they're not quite sure about the details yet? Anyone know
> anybody at Digg that could shed some light on where they're going with
> all of this?

Previous to the PR about DataPortability, Digg had already implemented a
bunch of microformats support like XFN rel="me".

I expect Digg to continue to implement microformats support independent of
any PR efforts / announcements.

Thanks,

Tantek

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Re: [uf-discuss] Digg joins DataPortability Project (Microformats mentioned)

[Manu Sporny]

Tantek Çelik wrote:
> Manu you are correct, MicroID is *not* a microformat.  It did not follow the
> process, and violates numerous microformats principles.

I've been in contact with Steve Williams, Digg's Technical Lead for
Infrastructure Development, and he's been very open to discussion. We've
since cleared up the fact that MicroID is not a Microformat and I
explained a bit about the uF process. He was very open to discussing the
issue and has since fixed the blog entry:

http://blog.digg.com/?p=108

Steve got the impression that MicroID is a Microformat from the
microid.org blog, which states:

"MicroID: A Microformat for Digital Identity"

I have contacted Jeremie Miller and Peter Saint-Andre (authors for the
current MicroID IETF document) to politely let them know about the
differences between a Microformat and the work that they have done. I
have also invited them to put MicroID through the uF process or create
an RDFa vocabulary.

I'll let this list know when I have gotten a reply from them.

-- manu

-- 
Manu Sporny
President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
blog: Intro to the Semantic Web in 6 minutes (video)
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Re: [uf-discuss] Dublin Core as a microformat (was: Re: xfn and biographies)

[Tantek Çelik]

On 1/30/08 4:16 PM, "Ben Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is that the only problem we'd be trying to solve in making a Dublin
> Core microformat?

Simply taking an existing format (like Dublin core) and reusing its
vocabulary as class names is insufficient to make a microformat.

microformats are based first and foremost on existing *content* publishing
behaviors, not first on existing *markup*, nor first on existing *formats*.

Only after existing *content* publishing behaviors are documented and
implied schema are thus determined does it make sense to document previous
attempts at formats for that type of content, and look at re-using *some* of
their vocabulary that maps to the implied schema determined by the
documented content publishing patterns.

Since this has come up a few times in the past (there seem to be lots of
folks that want to repurpose a previous format, no matter the actual utility
or use cases, into HTML, now that microformats has demonstrated the
usefulness of doing so), I've written up a process FAQ entry on this, and
expanded further upon it there.



Thanks,

Tantek

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