Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources
Am Donnerstag, 26. Oktober 2006 08:53 schrieb Michael MD: > > > > Why not to split hcard in two formats: person and group? > > > > "Person" describes a physical person, like me, you or Dante > > > > Alighieri. "Group" describes a group of persons, organized in > > > > companies, > > wouldn't a "group" be similar to an "organisation" or "department"? Why split hCard? Why not split XFN? The attribute value of "me" is already part of XFN. XFN only relates to single persons. It lacks relations to groups. I already suggested that some months ago. Additionally i'm currently working on a page describing how to use Dublin Core within microformats (or stand-alone microformats-alike). This page is more or less complete only in german, the english version has just started: http://www.rorkvell.de/tech/dc ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources
On 10/26/06, Lorenzo De Tomasi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The code: Tantek Çelik is compatible with the standard code: Tantek Çelik? Yes that's correct, an hCard parser will ignore any classes it's not aware of[1], so you can add any other identifiers onto it. However, hCard does already distinguish between organisations and individuals [2] (who can then be members of an organisation), so the extra markup may not be worth it. -Ciaran McNulty [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#forward_compatible_parsing [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Organization_Contact_Info ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources
A question about compatibility... The code: Tantek Çelik is compatible with the standard code: Tantek Çelik? On 10/26/06, Chris Messina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Lorenzo, There has already been some work done on groups... and I'd caution against suggesting such far-reaching changes off the bat to a core microformat. It's a sure way to give yourself away! ;) http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-February/003192.html http:/microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-August/005116.html Also, feel free to use the markup you proposed on your projects -- but it's unlikely that, at this point, with implementations (http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations) from folks like Yahoo!, Flickr and LinkedIn -- that hcard is going to go through any drastic changes any time soon. Especially when it's built on the international vcard standard. Additionally, familiarize yourself with the process page as it's a good place to discover more about how microformats are pounded into shape: http://microformats.org/wiki/process Chris On 10/25/06, Lorenzo De Tomasi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some thoughts... > > Why not to split hcard in two formats: person and group? > "Person" describes a physical person, like me, you or Dante Alighieri. > "Group" describes a group of persons, organized in companies, > associations, teams etc. and its a container of persons. > > > Microformats > mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org";> > Members > > Tantek Çelik > Lorenzo De Tomasi, > information designer > … > > > > "Resource" describes a work, like a book, a web site, an article etc. > > Microformats > team, hCard specification > > and can be useful also for bibliographies [look at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX ]: > > Published resources > > Lorenzo De Tomasi e class="author fn n">Katia Cassese, Come > funziona il diritto d’autore, class="title" href="http://www.ilsecolodellarete.it";>Isdr n. class="issue">0, href="http://www.ilsecolodellarete.it";>Il secolo della rete, class="published adr city">Pisa, title="2005_07">luglio 2005. > Lorenzo De Tomasi, class="title url" > href="http://www.aprileperlasinistra.it/aprilerivista/articolo.asp?n=121&ID=1019";>Sapere, > bene comune: Commons, la condivisione della conoscenza, class="collection"> href="http://www.aprileperlasinistra.it/aprilerivista/numero.asp";>Aprile. > Il mensile n. 121, class="published adr city">Roma, title="2004_11">novembre 2004. > > > -- > Lorenzo De Tomasi > Designer della comunicazione > http://www.ipernico.it > ___ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur & Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- Lorenzo De Tomasi Designer della comunicazione http://www.ipernico.it ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources
Yees, but "group" is a more generic term that can include different types like "organisation" or "department" :-) On 10/26/06, Michael MD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Why not to split hcard in two formats: person and group? > > > "Person" describes a physical person, like me, you or Dante Alighieri. > > > "Group" describes a group of persons, organized in companies, > wouldn't a "group" be similar to an "organisation" or "department"? http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#Organizations_and_Departments ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- Lorenzo De Tomasi Designer della comunicazione http://www.ipernico.it ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources
> > > > > > Why not to split hcard in two formats: person and group? > > > "Person" describes a physical person, like me, you or Dante Alighieri. > > > "Group" describes a group of persons, organized in companies, > wouldn't a "group" be similar to an "organisation" or "department"? http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#Organizations_and_Departments ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources
Hi Lorenzo, There has already been some work done on groups... and I'd caution against suggesting such far-reaching changes off the bat to a core microformat. It's a sure way to give yourself away! ;) http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-February/003192.html http:/microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-August/005116.html Also, feel free to use the markup you proposed on your projects -- but it's unlikely that, at this point, with implementations (http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations) from folks like Yahoo!, Flickr and LinkedIn -- that hcard is going to go through any drastic changes any time soon. Especially when it's built on the international vcard standard. Additionally, familiarize yourself with the process page as it's a good place to discover more about how microformats are pounded into shape: http://microformats.org/wiki/process Chris On 10/25/06, Lorenzo De Tomasi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some thoughts... Why not to split hcard in two formats: person and group? "Person" describes a physical person, like me, you or Dante Alighieri. "Group" describes a group of persons, organized in companies, associations, teams etc. and its a container of persons. Microformats mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org";> Members Tantek Çelik Lorenzo De Tomasi, information designer … "Resource" describes a work, like a book, a web site, an article etc. Microformats team, hCard specification and can be useful also for bibliographies [look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX ]: Published resources Lorenzo De Tomasi e Katia Cassese, Come funziona il diritto d’autore, http://www.ilsecolodellarete.it";>Isdr n.0, http://www.ilsecolodellarete.it";>Il secolo della rete, Pisa, luglio 2005. Lorenzo De Tomasi, http://www.aprileperlasinistra.it/aprilerivista/articolo.asp?n=121&ID=1019";>Sapere, bene comune: Commons, la condivisione della conoscenza, http://www.aprileperlasinistra.it/aprilerivista/numero.asp";>Aprile. Il mensile n. 121, Roma, novembre 2004. -- Lorenzo De Tomasi Designer della comunicazione http://www.ipernico.it ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur & Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources
Some thoughts... Why not to split hcard in two formats: person and group? "Person" describes a physical person, like me, you or Dante Alighieri. "Group" describes a group of persons, organized in companies, associations, teams etc. and its a container of persons. Microformats mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org";> Members Tantek Çelik Lorenzo De Tomasi, information designer … "Resource" describes a work, like a book, a web site, an article etc. Microformats team, hCard specification and can be useful also for bibliographies [look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX ]: Published resources Lorenzo De Tomasi e Katia Cassese, Come funziona il diritto d’autore, http://www.ilsecolodellarete.it";>Isdr n.0, http://www.ilsecolodellarete.it";>Il secolo della rete, Pisa, luglio 2005. Lorenzo De Tomasi, http://www.aprileperlasinistra.it/aprilerivista/articolo.asp?n=121&ID=1019";>Sapere, bene comune: Commons, la condivisione della conoscenza, http://www.aprileperlasinistra.it/aprilerivista/numero.asp";>Aprile. Il mensile n. 121, Roma, novembre 2004. -- Lorenzo De Tomasi Designer della comunicazione http://www.ipernico.it ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
