Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
hm... not exactly sure what you mean? there is hAtom to mark-up HTML as a feed. But i think you are asking for a way to say: That RSS over there is about this person! (right?) if so, then i would look at the XFN rel=me property. That is used for identity consolidation, which (i think) is what you are asking about... if not just reply and we can see what we can do. -brian On 11/30/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I am adding hcard to a page and wondered if there was a pattern for defining the rss feed for an individual. It seems like there would already be something simple, i.e. class=rss or rel=rss. I didn't see anything. Do you have a suggestion? Thanks Ted Drake Yahoo! Tech - Tech Made Easy Member of the Yahoo! Accessibility StakeholdersGroup Is your site voice recognition friendly? If you use an image for a button, the alt text needs to match the text in the image. If the user says hit send nothing will happen if the alt text says subscribe to our wonderful newsletter by hitting this send button. The same goes with using CSS image replacement techniques. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
If the page is for a person, then the RSS is an alternative. Use the Feed autodiscovery syntax makes sense: http://feedautodiscovery.org/doku.php but you could apply it to an a href link instead of a link one, eg a href rel=alternate me type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:14 AM, Brian Suda wrote: hm... not exactly sure what you mean? there is hAtom to mark-up HTML as a feed. But i think you are asking for a way to say: That RSS over there is about this person! (right?) if so, then i would look at the XFN rel=me property. That is used for identity consolidation, which (i think) is what you are asking about... if not just reply and we can see what we can do. -brian On 11/30/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I am adding hcard to a page and wondered if there was a pattern for defining the rss feed for an individual. It seems like there would already be something simple, i.e. class=rss or rel=rss. I didn't see anything. Do you have a suggestion? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
If this is a url inside a hcard (if I understand Ted's original post correctly), wouldn't this be prefered: a rel=alternate url type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a I.e. add the url class from hCard [1][2]? Regards, etc... [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#More_Semantic_Equivalents [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.6.8_URL_Type_Definition On 12/1/06, Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the page is for a person, then the RSS is an alternative. Use the Feed autodiscovery syntax makes sense: http://feedautodiscovery.org/doku.php but you could apply it to an a href link instead of a link one, eg a href rel=alternate me type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:14 AM, Brian Suda wrote: hm... not exactly sure what you mean? there is hAtom to mark-up HTML as a feed. But i think you are asking for a way to say: That RSS over there is about this person! (right?) if so, then i would look at the XFN rel=me property. That is used for identity consolidation, which (i think) is what you are asking about... if not just reply and we can see what we can do. -brian On 11/30/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I am adding hcard to a page and wondered if there was a pattern for defining the rss feed for an individual. It seems like there would already be something simple, i.e. class=rss or rel=rss. I didn't see anything. Do you have a suggestion? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://www.onamine.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
On 12/1/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is a url inside a hcard (if I understand Ted's original post correctly), wouldn't this be prefered: a rel=alternate url type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a I.e. add the url class from hCard [1][2]? --- yes, if you are trying to list all the URLs that are about an hCard then it would make sense to add the class=url as well. vCard does not distinguishes between URL TYPES, so the fact that this is an RSS feed is not taken into account - for the purpose of vCard it is JUST a url, that URL might point to an HTML, a GIF, an EXE, or an XML file - vCard doesn't care. This certainly does not stop you from adding more semantics in the form of @type data and/or other class values, rss|feed|atom|syncation|etc there is nothing preventing you from doing so. -brian Regards, etc... [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#More_Semantic_Equivalents [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.6.8_URL_Type_Definition On 12/1/06, Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the page is for a person, then the RSS is an alternative. Use the Feed autodiscovery syntax makes sense: http://feedautodiscovery.org/doku.php but you could apply it to an a href link instead of a link one, eg a href rel=alternate me type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:14 AM, Brian Suda wrote: hm... not exactly sure what you mean? there is hAtom to mark-up HTML as a feed. But i think you are asking for a way to say: That RSS over there is about this person! (right?) if so, then i would look at the XFN rel=me property. That is used for identity consolidation, which (i think) is what you are asking about... if not just reply and we can see what we can do. -brian On 11/30/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I am adding hcard to a page and wondered if there was a pattern for defining the rss feed for an individual. It seems like there would already be something simple, i.e. class=rss or rel=rss. I didn't see anything. Do you have a suggestion? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://www.onamine.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
Thank you everyone, this is very helpful. Should we add it to the vcard twiki? I think this is a common enough situation that people could use the advice. I will update my hcard with these attributes. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Suda Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:11 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question On 12/1/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is a url inside a hcard (if I understand Ted's original post correctly), wouldn't this be prefered: a rel=alternate url type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a I.e. add the url class from hCard [1][2]? --- yes, if you are trying to list all the URLs that are about an hCard then it would make sense to add the class=url as well. vCard does not distinguishes between URL TYPES, so the fact that this is an RSS feed is not taken into account - for the purpose of vCard it is JUST a url, that URL might point to an HTML, a GIF, an EXE, or an XML file - vCard doesn't care. This certainly does not stop you from adding more semantics in the form of @type data and/or other class values, rss|feed|atom|syncation|etc there is nothing preventing you from doing so. -brian Regards, etc... [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#More_Semantic_Equivalents [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.6.8_URL_Type_Definition On 12/1/06, Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the page is for a person, then the RSS is an alternative. Use the Feed autodiscovery syntax makes sense: http://feedautodiscovery.org/doku.php but you could apply it to an a href link instead of a link one, eg a href rel=alternate me type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:14 AM, Brian Suda wrote: hm... not exactly sure what you mean? there is hAtom to mark-up HTML as a feed. But i think you are asking for a way to say: That RSS over there is about this person! (right?) if so, then i would look at the XFN rel=me property. That is used for identity consolidation, which (i think) is what you are asking about... if not just reply and we can see what we can do. -brian On 11/30/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I am adding hcard to a page and wondered if there was a pattern for defining the rss feed for an individual. It seems like there would already be something simple, i.e. class=rss or rel=rss. I didn't see anything. Do you have a suggestion? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://www.onamine.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: RE: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
feel free to add it to the FAQ section if hCard, but what exactly was your original question? and do you have a URL so it is easier to discuss the mark-up options? -brian On 12/1/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you everyone, this is very helpful. Should we add it to the vcard twiki? I think this is a common enough situation that people could use the advice. I will update my hcard with these attributes. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Suda Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:11 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question On 12/1/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is a url inside a hcard (if I understand Ted's original post correctly), wouldn't this be prefered: a rel=alternate url type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a I.e. add the url class from hCard [1][2]? --- yes, if you are trying to list all the URLs that are about an hCard then it would make sense to add the class=url as well. vCard does not distinguishes between URL TYPES, so the fact that this is an RSS feed is not taken into account - for the purpose of vCard it is JUST a url, that URL might point to an HTML, a GIF, an EXE, or an XML file - vCard doesn't care. This certainly does not stop you from adding more semantics in the form of @type data and/or other class values, rss|feed|atom|syncation|etc there is nothing preventing you from doing so. -brian Regards, etc... [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#More_Semantic_Equivalents [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.6.8_URL_Type_Definition On 12/1/06, Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the page is for a person, then the RSS is an alternative. Use the Feed autodiscovery syntax makes sense: http://feedautodiscovery.org/doku.php but you could apply it to an a href link instead of a link one, eg a href rel=alternate me type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:14 AM, Brian Suda wrote: hm... not exactly sure what you mean? there is hAtom to mark-up HTML as a feed. But i think you are asking for a way to say: That RSS over there is about this person! (right?) if so, then i would look at the XFN rel=me property. That is used for identity consolidation, which (i think) is what you are asking about... if not just reply and we can see what we can do. -brian On 11/30/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I am adding hcard to a page and wondered if there was a pattern for defining the rss feed for an individual. It seems like there would already be something simple, i.e. class=rss or rel=rss. I didn't see anything. Do you have a suggestion? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://www.onamine.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: RE: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
Hi I'm working on something that isn't ready for public use. Here's a sample of the generated code: dl class=singleauth vcard dt strong class=fnJane Doe/strong - span class=titleThe Best of Foo Foo/span /dt dd class=expprofactions a href=/ title=View more articles by Jane Doe, The Best of Foo Foo class=urlimg src=/images/janedoe.png alt=Jane Doe class=photo/a a href=/bio/janedoe.html class=businessView Bio/aa href=http://add.my.yahoo.com/rss?url=foo.html; title=Add Jane Doe's articles to your My Yahoo pageimg src=/images/icon-my-yahoo.gif alt=My Yahoo/a a href=/rss/janedoe title=Subscribe to the RSS feed from Jane Doe, The Best of Foo Foo rel=alternate url type=application/rss+xmlimg src=/images/icon-rss.gif alt=RSS/a /dd dd class=latestheadline a href=/ class=lheadHeadline/a span class=meta- /spanpshort summary of the main headline /p /dd dd class=otherheadline ul li a href=/ Another Headline/a span class=meta - 2006-11-30 07:45:05/span /li li a href=/ Another Headline/a span class=meta - 2006-11-29 07:05:09/span /li /ul /dd dd class=microformatdetail orgYahoo! Finance/dd /dl You can see the link to the RSS feed near the middle of the definition link. I noticed this doesn't trigger the auto-discovery for Firefox 1.6. My class=microformatdetail hides the information from the screen but provides it to the browser with positioning. I originally questioned how to markup the RSS link with microformats to work with the hcard format. How does this look? Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Suda Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:14 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: RE: [uf-discuss] simple rss question feel free to add it to the FAQ section if hCard, but what exactly was your original question? and do you have a URL so it is easier to discuss the mark-up options? -brian ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: RE: RE: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
Thanks for the example, there are a few issues that i can see. #1, you have a class=title for The Best of Foo Foo, title inside a vcard means job-title so that would be pulled incorrectly. Next, you have singleauth both the hCite and hAtom use 'author' so you might consider using that (not sure what your overall goal is?) #2 The whole Headlines section looks alot to me like hAtom, feeds. You might consider working that in too (maybe in a later release). #3 you have a class=url on the RSS, it would probably be wise to add one to the BIO as well. On the whole it looks good. When it gets further along please email us with a public link. Thanks, -brian On 12/1/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I'm working on something that isn't ready for public use. Here's a sample of the generated code: dl class=singleauth vcard dt strong class=fnJane Doe/strong - span class=titleThe Best of Foo Foo/span /dt dd class=expprofactions a href=/ title=View more articles by Jane Doe, The Best of Foo Foo class=urlimg src=/images/janedoe.png alt=Jane Doe class=photo/a a href=/bio/janedoe.html class=businessView Bio/aa href=http://add.my.yahoo.com/rss?url=foo.html; title=Add Jane Doe's articles to your My Yahoo pageimg src=/images/icon-my-yahoo.gif alt=My Yahoo/a a href=/rss/janedoe title=Subscribe to the RSS feed from Jane Doe, The Best of Foo Foo rel=alternate url type=application/rss+xmlimg src=/images/icon-rss.gif alt=RSS/a /dd dd class=latestheadline a href=/ class=lheadHeadline/a span class=meta- /spanpshort summary of the main headline /p /dd dd class=otherheadline ul li a href=/ Another Headline/a span class=meta - 2006-11-30 07:45:05/span /li li a href=/ Another Headline/a span class=meta - 2006-11-29 07:05:09/span /li /ul /dd dd class=microformatdetail orgYahoo! Finance/dd /dl You can see the link to the RSS feed near the middle of the definition link. I noticed this doesn't trigger the auto-discovery for Firefox 1.6. My class=microformatdetail hides the information from the screen but provides it to the browser with positioning. I originally questioned how to markup the RSS link with microformats to work with the hcard format. How does this look? Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Suda Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:14 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: RE: [uf-discuss] simple rss question feel free to add it to the FAQ section if hCard, but what exactly was your original question? and do you have a URL so it is easier to discuss the mark-up options? -brian ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes vCard does not distinguishes between URL TYPES, so the fact that this is an RSS feed is not taken into account If you think that's a problem, you might want to mention it on: http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] simple rss question
On 12/1/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a rel=alternate url type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed of Ted Drake href=http://example.com/feed.rss; Ted Drake's feed/a @rel=alternate is not really appropriate in this instance. Semantically it says that the link is an alternate for the current page, which I doubt is correct. -Ciaran McNulty ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] simple rss question
Hi all I am adding hcard to a page and wondered if there was a pattern for defining the rss feed for an individual. It seems like there would already be something simple, i.e. class=rss or rel=rss. I didnt see anything. Do you have a suggestion? Thanks Ted Drake Yahoo! Tech - Tech Made Easy Member of the Yahoo! Accessibility Stakeholders Group Is your site voice recognition friendly? If you use an image for a button, the alt text needs to match the text in the image. If the user says hit send nothing will happen if the alt text says subscribe to our wonderful newsletter by hitting this send button. The same goes with using CSS image replacement techniques. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
