Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
On 12/11/06, Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To address the poster's concerns, address is a block-level element, not inline, This would seem to contradict that? http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 I've stayed away from using address on some of my pages precisely because of this, so I'd be delighted to find I'd read it wrong! -Ciaran McNulty ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
Am Mittwoch, 13. Dezember 2006 10:11 schrieb Ciaran McNulty: On 12/11/06, Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To address the poster's concerns, address is a block-level element, not inline, This would seem to contradict that? http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 I've stayed away from using address on some of my pages precisely because of this, so I'd be delighted to find I'd read it wrong! -Ciaran McNulty address is an element designed to contain contact information. So if you want to include contact information use address. That is indepenent of using hCard or not. address is a html element, specified by the w3c, hCard is an attribute vocabulary, designed by microformats. You can pretty well use both together. In fact, microformats is designed in that way: To be used together with html. regards Siegfried ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
On 12/13/06, Siegfried Gipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: address is an element designed to contain contact information. So if you want to include contact information use address. That is indepenent of using hCard or not. address is a html element, specified by the w3c, hCard is an attribute vocabulary, designed by microformats. You can pretty well use both together. In fact, microformats is designed in that way: To be used together with html. I'm referring to it's inline-ness. -Ciaran ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
Ciaran, On 12/11/06, Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To address the poster's concerns, address is a block-level element, not inline, This would seem to contradict that? http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 I've stayed away from using address on some of my pages precisely because of this, so I'd be delighted to find I'd read it wrong! -Ciaran McNulty I believe that the (%inline) refers to what address can contain -- inline elements. See same structure for headings: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 I'm not the greatest at reading those specs, so if someone else can confirm that, I'd appreciate it. ~ Tim tjameswhite.com Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
On 12/13/06, Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the (%inline) refers to what address can contain -- inline elements. See same structure for headings: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 Aha, that sounds probable (apologies to Siegfried). The fact it can't contain block level elements still makes it unusable for my needs though (I can't fit my hCard into entirely inline elements, so my pages don't validate correctly if I add address). -Ciaran ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
On 13 Dec 2006, at 11:53, Ciaran McNulty wrote: so my pages don't validate correctly if I add address Actually, it's more severe than just not validating. Nesting block level elements within ADDRESS triggers error-handling in browsers, such that the DOM does not reflect your mark-up. Mark-up such as: ADDRESS -- DIV UL P Will make a DOM of: ADDRESS DIV -- UL -- P Where DIV is a sibling of ADDRESS, not a child. This affects parsing, styling and anything you like, another reason ADDRESS is not required by any microformat. Ben ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
The fact it can't contain block level elements still makes it unusable for my needs though (I can't fit my hCard into entirely inline elements, so my pages don't validate correctly if I add address). -Ciaran But you can still use hCard -- just wrap it in something else (div id=hcard/div). address is allowed, not mandated. And thank you Ben for the DOM clarification. I wasn't aware of that behavior. ~ Tim Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
Am Mittwoch, 13. Dezember 2006 12:53 schrieb Ciaran McNulty: On 12/13/06, Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the (%inline) refers to what address can contain -- inline elements. See same structure for headings: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 Aha, that sounds probable (apologies to Siegfried). The fact it can't contain block level elements still makes it unusable for my needs though (I can't fit my hCard into entirely inline elements, so my pages don't validate correctly if I add address). If you want to take a look at my address info: http://www.rorkvell.de/impressum ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Subject: Re: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship? Did you perhaps forget to change that? microformats do not try to alter people's publishing behavior in an unnatural way - and ask of them to make openly honest what is not already so - unlike a priori formats efforts which seek to change behavior as such with metadata etc. that they wish people would simply magically start publishing. Perhaps you missed this comment: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-feedbackcurid=1777diff=0oldid=11198rcid=20574 in which a poster describes how he rejected hResume because it sought to change his publishing behaviour. -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Perhaps you missed this comment: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-feedbackcurid=1777diff=0oldid=11198rcid=20574 in which a poster describes how he rejected hResume because it sought to change his publishing behaviour. skills are optional, as are linking them. *all* microformats are optional; that's hardy the point. -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
