Re: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available
Myers, Jay wrote: > After several months of diligent work, I'm happy to announce the draft > spec of the hProduct microformat, linked from the front page of the > wiki. I look forward to your constructive feedback in order to better > the format for eventual adoption. Hi Jay, Glad to see that you have decided to take the lead on moving the hProduct uf forward :) I haven't been following the hProduct discussion that closely and this was really the first time I took a look at the draft. I'd like to draw your attention to a particular Microformat Process issue that you may or may not know about... > As per the process, we have included > appropriate wiki pages for issues, faqs and examples. The hProduct examples page[1], including all example pages that it links to[2][3], include around 11 example sites, with no mention to the number of sites that were analyzed. One of the first steps that should be completed before a Draft is proposed is extensive analysis of existing websites providing products. To put hProduct's 11 examples into perspective, hAudio had close to 84 examples for the online music store section alone. If you have the analysis data that led to the current version of hProduct, please put it on the wiki. We can't know if the vocabulary terms are a good choice unless we have the data to back up the draft. For example, here's the analysis of terms utilized in audio sites: http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Services Is there an equivalent for hProduct? If not, is there a full set of analysis data that backs up the vocabulary generated for hProduct? -- manu [1]http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-examples [2]http://microformats.org/wiki/product-examples [3]http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-extended-examples [4]http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples -- Manu Sporny President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. blog: POSIX Threads Don't Scale Past 100K Concurrent Web Requests http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2008/09/30/scaling-webservices-part-1 blog: Fibers are the Future: Scaling Past 100K Concurrent Requests http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2008/10/21/scaling-webservices-part-2 ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available
Manu, Thanks for the insight on this. There was extensive research done offline for hproduct based on product type, more than the current examples page shows at the moment. I will update the wiki to reflect the additional examples. J Jay Myers Lead Web Development Engineer Online Solutions, BestBuy.com jay.my...@bestbuy.com (w) 612-291-4007 (c) 612-296-5836 (twitter) @jaymyers -Original Message- From: microformats-discuss-boun...@microformats.org [mailto:microformats-discuss-boun...@microformats.org] On Behalf Of Manu Sporny Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:04 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available Myers, Jay wrote: > After several months of diligent work, I'm happy to announce the draft > spec of the hProduct microformat, linked from the front page of the > wiki. I look forward to your constructive feedback in order to better > the format for eventual adoption. Hi Jay, Glad to see that you have decided to take the lead on moving the hProduct uf forward :) I haven't been following the hProduct discussion that closely and this was really the first time I took a look at the draft. I'd like to draw your attention to a particular Microformat Process issue that you may or may not know about... > As per the process, we have included > appropriate wiki pages for issues, faqs and examples. The hProduct examples page[1], including all example pages that it links to[2][3], include around 11 example sites, with no mention to the number of sites that were analyzed. One of the first steps that should be completed before a Draft is proposed is extensive analysis of existing websites providing products. To put hProduct's 11 examples into perspective, hAudio had close to 84 examples for the online music store section alone. If you have the analysis data that led to the current version of hProduct, please put it on the wiki. We can't know if the vocabulary terms are a good choice unless we have the data to back up the draft. For example, here's the analysis of terms utilized in audio sites: http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Servi ces Is there an equivalent for hProduct? If not, is there a full set of analysis data that backs up the vocabulary generated for hProduct? -- manu [1]http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-examples [2]http://microformats.org/wiki/product-examples [3]http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-extended-examples [4]http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples -- Manu Sporny President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. blog: POSIX Threads Don't Scale Past 100K Concurrent Web Requests http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2008/09/30/scaling-webservices-part-1 blog: Fibers are the Future: Scaling Past 100K Concurrent Requests http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2008/10/21/scaling-webservices-part-2 ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available
Hi Manu and fellow Microformateers, Per your suggestion, I have extracted 40 examples from my offline research and added them to the wiki to give clarification to the terms selected for the hProduct draft: http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-examples#Live_Product_Examples Also note there is additional analysis of these example sites with a breakdown of their frequency of use following the site list. I hope this spurs additional suggestions and improvements to the draft. Please let me know if you have additional questions or thoughts! Thanks, Jay Jay Myers Lead Web Development Engineer Online Solutions, BestBuy.com (twitter) @jaymyers (blog) http://jay.beweep.com -Original Message- From: microformats-discuss-boun...@microformats.org [mailto:microformats-discuss-boun...@microformats.org] On Behalf Of Manu Sporny Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:04 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available Myers, Jay wrote: > After several months of diligent work, I'm happy to announce the draft > spec of the hProduct microformat, linked from the front page of the > wiki. I look forward to your constructive feedback in order to better > the format for eventual adoption. Hi Jay, Glad to see that you have decided to take the lead on moving the hProduct uf forward :) I haven't been following the hProduct discussion that closely and this was really the first time I took a look at the draft. I'd like to draw your attention to a particular Microformat Process issue that you may or may not know about... > As per the process, we have included > appropriate wiki pages for issues, faqs and examples. The hProduct examples page[1], including all example pages that it links to[2][3], include around 11 example sites, with no mention to the number of sites that were analyzed. One of the first steps that should be completed before a Draft is proposed is extensive analysis of existing websites providing products. To put hProduct's 11 examples into perspective, hAudio had close to 84 examples for the online music store section alone. If you have the analysis data that led to the current version of hProduct, please put it on the wiki. We can't know if the vocabulary terms are a good choice unless we have the data to back up the draft. For example, here's the analysis of terms utilized in audio sites: http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Servi ces Is there an equivalent for hProduct? If not, is there a full set of analysis data that backs up the vocabulary generated for hProduct? -- manu [1]http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-examples [2]http://microformats.org/wiki/product-examples [3]http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-extended-examples [4]http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples -- Manu Sporny President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. blog: POSIX Threads Don't Scale Past 100K Concurrent Web Requests http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2008/09/30/scaling-webservices-part-1 blog: Fibers are the Future: Scaling Past 100K Concurrent Requests http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2008/10/21/scaling-webservices-part-2 ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Myers, Jay wrote: > > Microformateers, > > After several months of diligent work, I'm happy to announce the draft > spec of the hProduct microformat, linked from the front page of the > wiki. I look forward to your constructive feedback in order to better > the format for eventual adoption. As per the process, we have included > appropriate wiki pages for issues, faqs and examples. Please feel free > to use those pages to document any feedback, or pose queries on the > uf-discuss mailing list. Is there a way to identify what the product is ... a "book", a "dvd" Regards, etc... -- David Janes Mercenary Programmer http://code.davidjanes.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available
Yes -- the "category" attribute was included to define product types. In most examples listed on the hproduct-examples page [1], these would appear in the "breadcrumbs", similar to this example snippet: Home Hardware Fasteners Screws Drywall Screws [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-examples Thanks, Jay Jay Myers http://jay.beweep.com (twitter) @jaymyers (skype) jaymmyers -Original Message- From: microformats-discuss-boun...@microformats.org [mailto:microformats-discuss-boun...@microformats.org] On Behalf Of David Janes Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:25 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Myers, Jay wrote: > > Microformateers, > > After several months of diligent work, I'm happy to announce the draft > spec of the hProduct microformat, linked from the front page of the > wiki. I look forward to your constructive feedback in order to better > the format for eventual adoption. As per the process, we have included > appropriate wiki pages for issues, faqs and examples. Please feel free > to use those pages to document any feedback, or pose queries on the > uf-discuss mailing list. Is there a way to identify what the product is ... a "book", a "dvd" Regards, etc... -- David Janes Mercenary Programmer http://code.davidjanes.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft now available
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Myers, Jay wrote: > > Yes -- the "category" attribute was included to define product types. In > most examples listed on the hproduct-examples page [1], these would > appear in the "breadcrumbs", similar to this example snippet: > > >Home > href=/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2568451">Hardware > href=/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2626209">Fasteners > href=/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2627479">Screws > href=/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2627507">Drywall Screws > Not to be too pedantic, but I would recommend using an ordered list rather than an unordered list because a list of 'breadcrumb' links doesn't make sense if they are out of order. I realize this was just a snippet, but - if used as a guide - should be as correct as possible. ~Jason ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
