RE: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
Hey Andy, I went to the wikipedia article you referenced, and viewed the page source (i.e., the HTML). I don't see the geo Microformat being used anywhere. /Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:34 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Costello, Roger L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, can you provide some examples of wikipedia articles that use the GeoTemplate? There are ,any thousands - almost every town, city, shop, factory, park, hospital school college... e.g.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham See the coordinates in the top right for a link to the page that actually uses the template.. -- Andy Mabbett ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
On 4/6/07, Costello, Roger L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Andy, I went to the wikipedia article you referenced, and viewed the page source (i.e., the HTML). I don't see the geo Microformat being used anywhere. /Roger You have to click through to this page [1] Regards, etc... [1] http://tinyurl.com/3dzanh -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I've just added Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoTemplate likewise the German edition, And now the place-articles on OpenStreetMap, for example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Birmingham -- Andy Mabbett ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Anyone interested in work-in-progress can see it at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord which includes live versions. The first large-scale deployment of the new version of that template is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_impact_craters_on_Earth and the linked lists of craters-by-continent. -- Andy Mabbett ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
On 4/6/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first large-scale deployment of the new version of that template is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_impact_craters_on_Earth and the linked lists of craters-by-continent. Interesting. if there was a way of know what the geo applied to, it would be quite easy to write a KML converter and feed that into Google Maps/Google Earth. Regards, etc... -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I've just added Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoTemplate likewise the German edition, for example: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?language=deparams=52_28_47_N_1_53_51_W_type:city_region:GB (aka: http://tinyurl.com/yu8rsm) -- Andy Mabbett ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
Andy, can you provide some examples of wikipedia articles that use the GeoTemplate? /Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:47 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I've just added Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoTemplate likewise the German edition, for example: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?language=deparams=5 2_28_47_N_1_53_51_W_type:city_region:GB (aka: http://tinyurl.com/yu8rsm) -- Andy Mabbett ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
Is there an adr template in Wikipedia, so that the adr Microformat
can be automatically injected into Wikipedia pages?
Not /yet/...
Is there a way to create new templates? Can we create a template for
hcard, vevent, and so forth?
That's being looked at, but the situation is extremely complex, ...
I think that it might not be complex, if the scope is limited.
Many wiki articles have the name of a person. Create a wikipedia
template that wraps the name with hCard.
For example, here's a wikipedia article on Arthur Ernest Percival [1].
His name could be wrapped in a wiki template like this:
{{person-name
|given-name=Arthur|additional-name=Ernest|family-name=Percival}}
The HTML that is generated by the template could be:
Arthur Ernest Percival
span class=hcard style=display:none
(span class=family-namePercival/span,
span class=given-nameArthur/span
span class=additional-nameErnest/span)
/span
It's a very simple hcard, but I think even this simple structuring
would be beneficial.
Likewise, many wiki articles have the name of a country. The country
name could be wrapped in a template such as this:
{{country-name |Singapore}}
The HTML that is generated by the template could be:
Singapore
span class=adr style=display:none
(span class=country-nameSingapore/span)
/span
Again, although very simple, I think the structuring would be
beneficial.
Thoughts?
/Roger
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ernest_Percival
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Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
On 4/4/07, Costello, Roger L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Likewise, many wiki articles have the name of a country. The country
name could be wrapped in a template such as this:
{{country-name |Singapore}}
The HTML that is generated by the template could be:
Singapore
span class=adr style=display:none
(span class=country-nameSingapore/span)
/span
How is this better than just:
span class=adrspan class=country-nameSingapore/span/span
?
-Ciaran McNulty
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RE: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
The HTML that is generated by the template could be: Singapore span class=adr style=display:none (span class=country-nameSingapore/span) /span How is this better than just: span class=adrspan class=country-nameSingapore/span/span Ah, good point! You're right, there's no need for that extra stuff. You've made it even simpler! /Roger ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Would you help me understand how the geo Microformat gets automatically injected into a Wikipedia page? Firstly, the change has unfortunately had to be reverted, as it caused problems for a script which uses the raw wiki text of the templates it replaces. The technicalities are beyond me, but I hopeful that there will be an early resolution. This despite widespread appeals for comment before the change was made! Anyone interested in work-in-progress can see it at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord which includes live versions. Note that it may break, briefly, as it's being changed and updated. -- Andy Mabbett ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:31 AM, Costello, Roger L. wrote:
Is there an adr template in Wikipedia, so that the adr Microformat
can be automatically injected into Wikipedia pages?
Not /yet/...
Is there a way to create new templates? Can we create a template
for
hcard, vevent, and so forth?
That's being looked at, but the situation is extremely complex, ...
I think that it might not be complex, if the scope is limited.
Many wiki articles have the name of a person. Create a wikipedia
template that wraps the name with hCard.
For example, here's a wikipedia article on Arthur Ernest Percival [1].
His name could be wrapped in a wiki template like this:
{{person-name
|given-name=Arthur|additional-name=Ernest|family-name=Percival}}
The HTML that is generated by the template could be:
Arthur Ernest Percival
span class=hcard style=display:none
(span class=family-namePercival/span,
span class=given-nameArthur/span
span class=additional-nameErnest/span)
/span
Please don't introduce hidden metadata. That's one of the things
we're trying to avoid with microformats.
-ryan
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RE: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
Firstly, the change has unfortunately had to be reverted, as it caused problems for a script which uses the raw wiki text of the templates it replaces. The technicalities are beyond me, but I hopeful that there will be an early resolution. This despite widespread appeals for comment before the change was made! That's a shame. I have a question. Here is the HTML that was being generated (before being reverted): ... Belfast is situated at span class=plainlinksneverexpand a href=http://...?params=54.58_N_5.939_W_; class=external text title=http://...?params=54.58_N_5.939_W_; rel=nofollow span title=Maps, ... data for 54°34′0″ N 5°56′20″ W span style=white-space:nowrap54°34′0″ N/span span style=white-space:nowrap5°56′20″ W/span span class=geo style=display:none (span class=latitude54.58/span, span class=longitude5.938/span) /span /span /a /span. A consequence of this latitude is ... Question: why are there parentheses around the lat/lon values: span class=geo style=display:none (span class=latitude54.58/span, span class=longitude5.938/span) /span Since this information is not being displayed (style=display:none), I don't see any value for the parentheses (or for the comma). /Roger ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
On 4/3/07, Costello, Roger L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: why are there parentheses around the lat/lon values: span class=geo style=display:none (span class=latitude54.58/span, span class=longitude5.938/span) /span Since this information is not being displayed (style=display:none), I don't see any value for the parentheses (or for the comma). It's somewhat dangerous to assume elements set to be display:none will never be seen... -Ciaran McNulty ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ciaran McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 4/3/07, Costello, Roger L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: why are there parentheses around the lat/lon values: span class=geo style=display:none (span class=latitude54.58/span, span class=longitude5.938/span) /span Since this information is not being displayed (style=display:none), I don't see any value for the parentheses (or for the comma). It's somewhat dangerous to assume elements set to be display:none will never be seen... Indeed; the punctuation is there so that the coordinates will make sense if CSS is disabled/ unavailable/ overridden (the latter might be the case if a user prefers a decimal display, rather than DMS, for instance). -- Andy Mabbett ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I've just added: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGeoTemplatediff=119003866oldid=118216477 Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing. The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) Templates which use titles in the coordinate template will be attended to shortly. I'm indebted to Wikipedia user Quarl for working with me on the implementation. Examples (showing a variety of formats and uses): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamstead_railway_station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast In a related project, I and others are working to add coordinates to all the articles, about places, which don't yet have them. -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
This is awesome Andy! Great work! /Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:15 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I've just added: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGeoTemplatediff= 119003866oldid=118216477 Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing. The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) Templates which use titles in the coordinate template will be attended to shortly. I'm indebted to Wikipedia user Quarl for working with me on the implementation. Examples (showing a variety of formats and uses): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamstead_railway_station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast In a related project, I and others are working to add coordinates to all the articles, about places, which don't yet have them. -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) Yeah! This is a real milestone. Great job, Andy. -enp On Apr 2, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I've just added: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template% 3AGeoTemplatediff=119003866oldid=118216477 Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing. The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) Templates which use titles in the coordinate template will be attended to shortly. I'm indebted to Wikipedia user Quarl for working with me on the implementation. Examples (showing a variety of formats and uses): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamstead_railway_station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast In a related project, I and others are working to add coordinates to all the articles, about places, which don't yet have them. -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http:// www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http:// microformats.org/ ? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
Hi Folks,
Would you help me understand how the geo Microformat gets automatically
injected into a Wikipedia page?
I took a look at one of the Wikipedia articles that Andy referenced:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast
The geo Microformat occurs at this point in the article:
... Belfast is situated at 54°34′0″ N 5°56′20″ W (54.58,
-5.939). A consequence of this latitude is ...
Note: The degrees-minutes-seconds lat/lon is a hotlink.
Here's how it appears in edit mode (i.e., here's the Wikipedia markup):
... Belfast is situated at {{coor dms|54|35|0|N|05|56|20|W|}}. A
consequence of this latitude is ...
Here's the HTML (i.e., here's what View Page Source of the article
gives):
... Belfast is situated at
span class=plainlinksneverexpand
a href=http://...?params=54.58_N_5.939_W_;
class=external text
title=http://...?params=54.58_N_5.939_W_;
rel=nofollow
span title=Maps, ... data for 54°34′0″ N 5°56′20″
W
span style=white-space:nowrap54°34′0″ N/span
span style=white-space:nowrap5°56′20″ W/span
span class=geo style=display:none
(span class=latitude54.58/span,
span class=longitude5.938/span)
/span
/span
/a
/span. A consequence of this latitude is ...
Note the use of two Microformats: rel-nofollow and geo.
As I look at the above, I guess that:
- {{coor dms|xx|xx|xx|...|xx|}} is the Wikipedia symbology for invoke
the coor template, the coordinate is specified using
degees-minutes-seconds as follows: xx xx xx ...
- what Andy and Quarl did was to modify the coor template to inject the
geo Microformat
Is this a correct guess of how it works?
Is there an adr template in Wikipedia, so that the adr Microformat
can be automatically injected into Wikipedia pages?
Is there a way to create new templates? Can we create a template for
hcard, vevent, and so forth?
Once again, great job Andy!
/Roger
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I've just added:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGeoTemplatediff=
119003866oldid=118216477
Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate:
Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing.
The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes
coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport
stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a
template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-)
Templates which use titles in the coordinate template will be attended
to shortly.
I'm indebted to Wikipedia user Quarl for working with me on the
implementation.
Examples (showing a variety of formats and uses):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamstead_railway_station
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast
In a related project, I and others are working to add coordinates to
all
the articles, about places, which don't yet have them.
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Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Costello, Roger L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Would you help me understand how the geo Microformat gets automatically
injected into a Wikipedia page?
Firstly, the change has unfortunately had to be reverted, as it caused
problems for a script which uses the raw wiki text of the templates it
replaces. The technicalities are beyond me, but I hopeful that there
will be an early resolution. This despite widespread appeals for comment
before the change was made!
[...]
Note the use of two Microformats: rel-nofollow and geo.
Wikipedia applies rel-nofollow to all external links; that's nothing
to do with the Geo deployment.
I guess that:
- {{coor dms|xx|xx|xx|...|xx|}} is the Wikipedia symbology for invoke
the coor template, the coordinate is specified using degees-minutes-
seconds as follows: xx xx xx ...
Pretty much.
- what Andy and Quarl did was to modify the coor template to inject the
geo Microformat
Quarl replaced (and redirected) Coor d (and Coor dm and Coor dms)
with a new template Coord.
Is there an adr template in Wikipedia, so that the adr Microformat
can be automatically injected into Wikipedia pages?
Not /yet/...
Is there a way to create new templates? Can we create a template for
hcard, vevent, and so forth?
That's being looked at, but the situation is extremely complex, both
because there are a vast number of templates which contain addresses,
with no standardisation, and because there are a number of contradictory
and competing uses, including parsing of the raw wiki text. There is
hidden metadata, metadata entered twice, for different purposes, and
metadata entered with no formatting or sub-division (names, addresses,
etc.).
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats
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