Re: microformats vs. semantic XHTML (was Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats)

2006-12-12 Thread Siegfried Gipp
Am Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2006 17:17 schrieb Tantek Çelik:

  lowercase microformats = unofficial semantic markup embedded in HTML
  uppercase microformats = Official Microformat

There is no such thing as lowercase microformats. I think that came from the 
socalled lowercase semantic web vs. the uppercase semantic web. The first 
is the grassroots movement we all know as microformats, which is not highly 
official and, most of all, does take a small step approach to semantic web, 
i.e. not defining a new file format, just adding to an existing format. The 
socalled uppercase semantic web on the other hand is the rdf and owl effort 
of the w3c, which offers much more, but is hell complicated and defines two 
completely new file formats.


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Re: microformats vs. semantic XHTML (was Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats)

2006-12-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

A microformat is such because it is a use of semantic class names,
etc. that IN PARTICULAR:

1. Are designed according to microformat principles [1]

2. Follow the microformats process [2]

Of all the definitions of microformats in circulation, including that on
the main uFs web page, I believe that I have yet to see one which makes
those stipulations.

Without those, all you have is semantic XHTML.

That's one opinion.

Another, for example, would be that any set of classes (and rels, or
whatever), used by a number of people, with various parsers and
aggregators, and marked up examples in the wild, constitute a de facto
microformat.

The fact that the only such examples at present came about through the
current 'wiki'/ mailing list/ 'community' does not preclude it from
happening, elsewhere, in the future.

I have on my to-do list to better document the principles, more
thoroughly, etc., as well as update the process per what we have
learned the past six months or so.

When you do, will the proposed changes be posted here or on the wiki,
for discussion by the 'community', or will they be, in effect, imposed?

I will note that for now, much deeper explanations of the principles
are actually presented in the numerous podcasts about microformats that
have been published:

http://microformats.org/wiki/podcasts

I encourage everyone who has participated in this thread to listen to
them.

Where are their text transcriptions?

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Andy Mabbett
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