Re: class=hack? Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-08 Thread Bruce D'Arcus

On 12/8/06, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
 Likewise, using class to indicate both properties and, um, class, is
 also a hack.

I think that's probably where we part company.   I suspect most of us
here consider the use of HTML class for semantic information fully
in line with the both the letter and spirit of the spec, and thus an
entirely natural usage.


My point, Ernie, is there's no obvious way to map it onto a model. I
don't think that's such a controversial thing to say. We've got tables
and columns (RDBMSes), resources and properties (RDF), objects and
attributes (oo). Class and ... ?

Bruce
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Re: class=hack? Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-08 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar

Hi Bruce,


My point, Ernie, is there's no obvious way to map it onto a model. I


Um, maybe I'm not quite understanding what you mean by model. Are  
you saying that there's no way to create a generic parser that  
transforms the microformatted data into a normalized form?


What you may not realize (I didn't at first either) is that  
microformats.org is -- by *definition* -- optimizing for a world  
there are only a handful of discrete microformats.  Thus, there is  
no point in worrying about the general case; there are only special  
cases, and a relatively small number of those.


You may not believe or agree with that definition (not all of us do  
either :-), but that's the rules we play by here.  If you want a more  
generic approach, you might be happier with GRDDL.


Cheers,
-- Ernie P.

On Dec 8, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:


On 12/8/06, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
 Likewise, using class to indicate both properties and, um,  
class, is

 also a hack.

I think that's probably where we part company.   I suspect most of us
here consider the use of HTML class for semantic information fully
in line with the both the letter and spirit of the spec, and thus an
entirely natural usage.


My point, Ernie, is there's no obvious way to map it onto a model. I
don't think that's such a controversial thing to say. We've got tables
and columns (RDBMSes), resources and properties (RDF), objects and
attributes (oo). Class and ... ?

Bruce
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