Re: [Mikrotik] Need OSPF help !

2012-07-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 16:08 +, Paul McCall wrote:
 Any of you experts want to remote in and fix an OSPF problem?  (for pay)

I see you got this fixed.

 Can't find Butch

Today was an odd day.  I volunteered to work on a local community center
issue today and what I thought would be a 2 or 3 hour issue ended up
taking about 9 or 10 hours.  There are certainly too many experts in
this town.  :-)  Glad you got it fixed!

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Re: [Mikrotik] Need OSPF help !

2012-07-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 16:20 +, Paul McCall wrote:
 The problem tower's OSPF state for the desired new leg is dr other if that 
 is a clue

This is not really a state per se.  OSPF State describes a
relationship status in terms of adjacency.  This is visible on the
neighbors tab in RouterOS.  It will be either init, two-way,
exchange, full or one of about 2 or 3 other possible states.  

What you are referring to is something that happens upon OSPF startup on
a network that is a broadcast type network (such as ethernet,
frame-relay, wireless, etc.)  On these network types, the routers on a
given network segment will initiate an election to determine which
device will be the DR (designated router), BDR (backup dr) and which
will be simply participants in the network.  This election is based
first on the OSPF priority of each interface in the segment.  The
priority is configured per interface.  In RouterOS, the default priority
is 1.  Highest priority wins the election.  In the event of a tie
in this election, the highest (32-bit value) RouterID will win.  In this
election, second place will become the BDR.  On a router, each of it's
ospf interfaces is either DR, BDR or dr other (that is a routeros
term).  A router may have various status on each of it's ospf
interfaces.  There is a really good description of this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Shortest_Path_First

I know you got this working, but it is the teacher in me that feels the
need to explain things when I see a misunderstanding.  :-)

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Re: [Mikrotik] Need OSPF help !

2012-07-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 02:12 -0500, Butch Evans wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 16:20 +, Paul McCall wrote:
  The problem tower's OSPF state for the desired new leg is dr other if 
  that is a clue
 
 I know you got this working, but it is the teacher in me that feels the
 need to explain things when I see a misunderstanding.  :-)
 

One thing further on this topic is that this is not in any way related
to path preference for data.  Also, it really has little bearing on
anything which router becomes the DR/BDR/DR OTHER in most cases.

For what it's worth, this is part of the topic that will be discussed in
GREAT DETAIL at my class before the MUM this year (assuming I stick with
the MTCTCE course).

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Re: [Mikrotik] Need OSPF help !

2012-07-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 02:17 -0500, Butch Evans wrote:
 For what it's worth, this is part of the topic that will be discussed in
 GREAT DETAIL at my class before the MUM this year (assuming I stick with
 the MTCTCE course).

I guess I may as well give you the troubleshooting tips for this type of
issue as well.  When you are first turning OSPF up on an interface
(adding the network setting), you should first ensure that the
interface was added (dynamic) to Routing-OSPF-Interfaces tab.  You
will see a neighbor count - this would have been your first indication
that there was a communication problem between this router and the
others on the network.  You SHOULD have exactly the same number of
neighbors on every router on the segment.  In your case, you probably
did NOT.  The problem router was not seeing all the other routers on
the segment.  Looking on the Routing-OSPF-Neighbors tab would have
shown you which router(s) it WAS seeing, along with the state.  You
should always see state full with the DR and BDR, and 2-way with all
other routers (grouped per interface), UNLESS you ARE either the DR or
BDR, in which case you will see ALL other routers with state full.

I will not bore you all with any other scenarios, but by looking at
these things on all routers on the segment would allow you to determine
where the problem was located in this instance.


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[Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Meftah Tayeb

Hello,
i have 2 Links in my MT
one DSL and one fiber
i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through DSL
and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from 172.16.100.0/24 as 
a lan
and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the DSL 
router

while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
all is working werll so far
nat also same using address list
but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my servers
any idea ?
thank you all
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Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Chupaka
/ip fi man add chain=prerouting dst-address=172.16.0.0/12 action=accept
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 Hello,
 i have 2 Links in my MT
 one DSL and one fiber
 i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
 i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through DSL
 and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
 so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from 172.16.100.0/24as a 
 lan
 and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the DSL
 router
 while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
 all is working werll so far
 nat also same using address list
 but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my servers
 any idea ?
 thank you all
Meftah Tayeb
 IT Consulting
 http://www.tmvoip.com/
 phone: +21321656139
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Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Meftah Tayeb

done it but still no effect :(
thank you
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Hello,
i have 2 Links in my MT
one DSL and one fiber
i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through DSL
and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from 
172.16.100.0/24as a lan

and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the DSL
router
while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
all is working werll so far
nat also same using address list
but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my 
servers

any idea ?
thank you all
   Meftah Tayeb
IT Consulting
http://www.tmvoip.com/
phone: +21321656139
Mobile: +213660347746

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Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Chupaka
show traceroute from one subnet to another one

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 done it but still no effect :(
 thank you
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  Hello,
 i have 2 Links in my MT
 one DSL and one fiber
 i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
 i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through DSL
 and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
 so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from
 172.16.100.0/24as a lan

 and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the DSL
 router
 while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
 all is working werll so far
 nat also same using address list
 but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my
 servers
 any idea ?
 thank you all
Meftah Tayeb
 IT Consulting
 http://www.tmvoip.com/
 phone: +21321656139
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Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Meftah Tayeb
traceroute from 172.16.101.254 to 172.16.100.2 show only 172.16.100.1 and 
then only *
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done it but still no effect :(
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i have 2 Links in my MT
one DSL and one fiber
i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through DSL
and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from
172.16.100.0/24as a lan

and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the DSL
router
while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
all is working werll so far
nat also same using address list
but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my
servers
any idea ?
thank you all
   Meftah Tayeb
IT Consulting
http://www.tmvoip.com/
phone: +21321656139
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Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Chupaka
what addresses are on router's interfaces? because gateway of
172.16.101.254/24 subnet cannot be outside that subnet (172.16.100.1)

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 traceroute from 172.16.101.254 to 172.16.100.2 show only 172.16.100.1 and
 then only *

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 thank you
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 i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
 i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through
 DSL
 and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
 so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from
 172.16.100.0/24as a lan

 and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the DSL
 router
 while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
 all is working werll so far
 nat also same using address list
 but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my
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 thank you all
Meftah Tayeb
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Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Meftah Tayeb

both gateway is 172.16.100.1 and 172.16.101.1
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traceroute from 172.16.101.254 to 172.16.100.2 show only 172.16.100.1 and
then only *

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 show traceroute from one subnet to another one


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2012/7/24 Meftah Tayeb tayeb.mef...@gmail.com

 done it but still no effect :(

thank you
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 /ip fi man add chain=prerouting dst-address=172.16.0.0/12 
action=accept



place-before=0

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2012/7/24 Meftah Tayeb tayeb.mef...@gmail.com

 Hello,


i have 2 Links in my MT
one DSL and one fiber
i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through
DSL
and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from
172.16.100.0/24as a lan

and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the 
DSL

router
while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
all is working werll so far
nat also same using address list
but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my
servers
any idea ?
thank you all
   Meftah Tayeb
IT Consulting
http://www.tmvoip.com/
phone: +21321656139
Mobile: +213660347746

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Re: [Mikrotik] Need OSPF help !

2012-07-24 Thread Ty Featherling
Butch, you are the man. I kept this all for my notes.

-Ty

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:29 AM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 02:17 -0500, Butch Evans wrote:
  For what it's worth, this is part of the topic that will be discussed in
  GREAT DETAIL at my class before the MUM this year (assuming I stick with
  the MTCTCE course).

 I guess I may as well give you the troubleshooting tips for this type of
 issue as well.  When you are first turning OSPF up on an interface
 (adding the network setting), you should first ensure that the
 interface was added (dynamic) to Routing-OSPF-Interfaces tab.  You
 will see a neighbor count - this would have been your first indication
 that there was a communication problem between this router and the
 others on the network.  You SHOULD have exactly the same number of
 neighbors on every router on the segment.  In your case, you probably
 did NOT.  The problem router was not seeing all the other routers on
 the segment.  Looking on the Routing-OSPF-Neighbors tab would have
 shown you which router(s) it WAS seeing, along with the state.  You
 should always see state full with the DR and BDR, and 2-way with all
 other routers (grouped per interface), UNLESS you ARE either the DR or
 BDR, in which case you will see ALL other routers with state full.

 I will not bore you all with any other scenarios, but by looking at
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Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Scott Reed
Add a route for 172.16.201.0/24 with gateway = 172.21.201.1 and routing 
table = lan
The only routes 172.16.100.0/24 knows are the ones in the lan routing 
table.  You have to tell that one everything it needs to be able to get to.


On 7/24/2012 3:38 AM, Meftah Tayeb wrote:

Hello,
i have 2 Links in my MT
one DSL and one fiber
i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through DSL
and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from 
172.16.100.0/24 as a lan
and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the 
DSL router

while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
all is working werll so far
nat also same using address list
but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my 
servers

any idea ?
thank you all
   Meftah Tayeb
IT Consulting
http://www.tmvoip.com/
phone: +21321656139
Mobile: +213660347746

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Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem

2012-07-24 Thread Meftah Tayeb

ok, while try that
thank you !
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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Route marking problem


Add a route for 172.16.201.0/24 with gateway = 172.21.201.1 and routing 
table = lan
The only routes 172.16.100.0/24 knows are the ones in the lan routing 
table.  You have to tell that one everything it needs to be able to get 
to.


On 7/24/2012 3:38 AM, Meftah Tayeb wrote:

Hello,
i have 2 Links in my MT
one DSL and one fiber
i use DSL for our lan and fiber for my server.
i want the lan subnet's (172.16.100.0/24) for now to go out through DSL
and servers (172.16.101.0/24 through Fiber
so i did in firewall mangle mark the traffic comming from 172.16.100.0/24 
as a lan
and added a default route (0.0.0.0) with routing mark of lan to the DSL 
router

while the server subnet (172.16.101.0/24 remind unmarked
all is working werll so far
nat also same using address list
but for now my server's can't ping my lan and my lan can't ping my 
servers

any idea ?
thank you all
   Meftah Tayeb
IT Consulting
http://www.tmvoip.com/
phone: +21321656139
Mobile: +213660347746

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