Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-27 Thread Kriss (Nebonet.com) 

Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken MT boxes can be scripted allowing easy remote
changes to the bandwidth queues. I have thus far been unable to find a
way to script the adding and removing of a client on a Trango box.
(Unless of course I want to write a telnet client in PHP. This brings up
a whole new set of challenges as the telnet interface on a heavily
loaded trango AP tends to be difficult to log into. And don't get me
started on the web interface.)
You can use SNMP for this. We have been using SNMP for Trango AP client 
updates/add/removing for a while and it works reliably. We have several 
AP's that have up to 120 associated SU's. For Trango clients testing I 
had to write a telnet/expect script.


The trango's do lack in the features and flexibility of the bandwidth 
management of clients. We have decided to use it only to prevent a 
client from saturating a AP's bandwidth, but actual network management 
is to be done with a mikrotik and take advantage of their API, and it 
looks to be promising.


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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-27 Thread Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet 
Our user management system is integrated with our central bandwidth
management box. That way if we need to suspend or change the rate a
customer is on we only have to do that in one place. This keeps us from
having to log into an AP every time we make a change to a customer. The
only thing we have to do at the AP is add the customer when we first set
them up.

Unless I'm mistaken MT boxes can be scripted allowing easy remote
changes to the bandwidth queues. I have thus far been unable to find a
way to script the adding and removing of a client on a Trango box.
(Unless of course I want to write a telnet client in PHP. This brings up
a whole new set of challenges as the telnet interface on a heavily
loaded trango AP tends to be difficult to log into. And don't get me
started on the web interface.)

The tradeoff is obviously that the client is not bandwidth shaped until
they hit the edge of the wireless network. But this is a tradeoff we
were willing to make as centralized management of the bandwidth has
significantly reduced errors in billing.

---

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Network Administrator
suppo...@greatlakes.net
 
Great Lakes Internet, Inc
112 N. Howard
Croswell, MI 48422
 
(810) 679-3395
MI Toll-Free (877) 558-8324

-Original Message-
From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
[mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:47 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

A solution would be transparent traffic shaping bridges scattered 
about.  MT works for this quite well and wouldn't require you to switch 
to routing but you would need to identify where best to place the 
traffic shaping boxes in your network.

I haven't used Trangos for CPEs so I haven't played with CIR/MIR but it 
doesn't seem as flexible as an MT.  I use the burst-thresholds quite a 
bit and also do traffic prioritization in my network.  If you don't then

I agree with Butch, if it's working using just CIR/MIR then no reason to

add the extra complication of an MT box.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet wrote:
> We have a similar setup except we don't use MT for bandwidth shaping.
> When we add new clients to the Trango AP's we set the MIR to the
maximum
> plan we offer 1024/768 and we set the CIR to the lowest plan we offer
> 256/128.
>
> This seems to work fairly well, for the most part the higher bandwidth
> customers get the bandwidth they are paying for without being able to
> overload the AP. Lower bandwidth customers get limited by our central
> bandwidth shaping device. We have over 60 clients on one Trango AP
using
> this setup.
>
> Unfortunately I have been unable to find a good way of stopping
> client-to-client traffic on a switched network without a massive
> redesign of our existing network. Fortunately we do not have too many
> problems as our backhauls have enough extra bandwidth to compensate
for
> any extra load client-to-client communications may place on our
network.
>
> ---
>
> Aaron, MCP, Network+, A+
> Network Administrator
> suppo...@greatlakes.net
>  
> Great Lakes Internet, Inc
> 112 N. Howard
> Croswell, MI 48422
>  
> (810) 679-3395
> MI Toll-Free (877) 558-8324
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
> [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
> To: Mikrotik discussions
> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues
>
> We bought the exact same network you did.
>
> All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
> the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.
>
> For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
> don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
> on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
> bandwith.
>
> On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
>   
>> We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
>> using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.
They
>> are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The
trangos
>> have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there
a
>> reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
>> way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to
>> 
> its
>   
>> max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT
>> 
> and
>   
>> just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Chris Gotstein
>> Sr Network Engineer
>> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
>> 500 N Stephenson Ave

Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Chris Gotstein 
No.  1 tower as 6 APs which feed into the PC running RouterOS.  Each AP 
has it's own ethernet port and subnet.  There are 2 other remote towers 
that get feed through one of the APs on the tower, and there is a 
separate subnet for each of those towers.


Josh Luthman wrote:

So you have an MT at each tower, 1 port per AP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Gotstein  wrote:


The network is already fully routed.  Each AP is on it's own subnet.

Josh Luthman wrote:


Sam's suggestion is good - put layer 3 switch rb493 at each tower and then
traffic shape that way.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Sam Tetherow 
wrote:

 A solution would be transparent traffic shaping bridges scattered about.

 MT works for this quite well and wouldn't require you to switch to
routing
but you would need to identify where best to place the traffic shaping
boxes
in your network.

I haven't used Trangos for CPEs so I haven't played with CIR/MIR but it
doesn't seem as flexible as an MT.  I use the burst-thresholds quite a
bit
and also do traffic prioritization in my network.  If you don't then I
agree
with Butch, if it's working using just CIR/MIR then no reason to add the
extra complication of an MT box.

 Sam Tetherow
 Sandhills Wireless


Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet wrote:

 We have a similar setup except we don't use MT for bandwidth shaping.

When we add new clients to the Trango AP's we set the MIR to the maximum
plan we offer 1024/768 and we set the CIR to the lowest plan we offer
256/128.

This seems to work fairly well, for the most part the higher bandwidth
customers get the bandwidth they are paying for without being able to
overload the AP. Lower bandwidth customers get limited by our central
bandwidth shaping device. We have over 60 clients on one Trango AP using
this setup.

Unfortunately I have been unable to find a good way of stopping
client-to-client traffic on a switched network without a massive
redesign of our existing network. Fortunately we do not have too many
problems as our backhauls have enough extra bandwidth to compensate for
any extra load client-to-client communications may place on our network.

---

Aaron, MCP, Network+, A+
Network Administrator
suppo...@greatlakes.net
 Great Lakes Internet, Inc
112 N. Howard
Croswell, MI 48422
 (810) 679-3395
MI Toll-Free (877) 558-8324

-Original Message-
From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
[mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

We bought the exact same network you did.

All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.

For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
bandwith.

On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:


 We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and

using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to


 its


 max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT


 and


 just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?

--
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Sr Network Engineer
UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
500 N Stephenson Ave
Iron Mountain, MI 49801
Phone: 906-774-4847
Fax: 906-774-0335
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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman 
So you have an MT at each tower, 1 port per AP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Gotstein  wrote:

> The network is already fully routed.  Each AP is on it's own subnet.
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Sam's suggestion is good - put layer 3 switch rb493 at each tower and then
>> traffic shape that way.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Sam Tetherow 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  A solution would be transparent traffic shaping bridges scattered about.
>>>  MT works for this quite well and wouldn't require you to switch to
>>> routing
>>> but you would need to identify where best to place the traffic shaping
>>> boxes
>>> in your network.
>>>
>>> I haven't used Trangos for CPEs so I haven't played with CIR/MIR but it
>>> doesn't seem as flexible as an MT.  I use the burst-thresholds quite a
>>> bit
>>> and also do traffic prioritization in my network.  If you don't then I
>>> agree
>>> with Butch, if it's working using just CIR/MIR then no reason to add the
>>> extra complication of an MT box.
>>>
>>>  Sam Tetherow
>>>  Sandhills Wireless
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet wrote:
>>>
>>>  We have a similar setup except we don't use MT for bandwidth shaping.
>>>> When we add new clients to the Trango AP's we set the MIR to the maximum
>>>> plan we offer 1024/768 and we set the CIR to the lowest plan we offer
>>>> 256/128.
>>>>
>>>> This seems to work fairly well, for the most part the higher bandwidth
>>>> customers get the bandwidth they are paying for without being able to
>>>> overload the AP. Lower bandwidth customers get limited by our central
>>>> bandwidth shaping device. We have over 60 clients on one Trango AP using
>>>> this setup.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I have been unable to find a good way of stopping
>>>> client-to-client traffic on a switched network without a massive
>>>> redesign of our existing network. Fortunately we do not have too many
>>>> problems as our backhauls have enough extra bandwidth to compensate for
>>>> any extra load client-to-client communications may place on our network.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Aaron, MCP, Network+, A+
>>>> Network Administrator
>>>> suppo...@greatlakes.net
>>>>  Great Lakes Internet, Inc
>>>> 112 N. Howard
>>>> Croswell, MI 48422
>>>>  (810) 679-3395
>>>> MI Toll-Free (877) 558-8324
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
>>>> [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
>>>> To: Mikrotik discussions
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues
>>>>
>>>> We bought the exact same network you did.
>>>>
>>>> All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
>>>> the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.
>>>>
>>>> For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
>>>> don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
>>>> on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
>>>> bandwith.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
>>>>> using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
>>>>> are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
>>>>> have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
>>>>> reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
>>>>> way to disab

Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Chris Gotstein 

The network is already fully routed.  Each AP is on it's own subnet.

Josh Luthman wrote:

Sam's suggestion is good - put layer 3 switch rb493 at each tower and then
traffic shape that way.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Sam Tetherow  wrote:


A solution would be transparent traffic shaping bridges scattered about.
 MT works for this quite well and wouldn't require you to switch to routing
but you would need to identify where best to place the traffic shaping boxes
in your network.

I haven't used Trangos for CPEs so I haven't played with CIR/MIR but it
doesn't seem as flexible as an MT.  I use the burst-thresholds quite a bit
and also do traffic prioritization in my network.  If you don't then I agree
with Butch, if it's working using just CIR/MIR then no reason to add the
extra complication of an MT box.

  Sam Tetherow
  Sandhills Wireless


Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet wrote:


We have a similar setup except we don't use MT for bandwidth shaping.
When we add new clients to the Trango AP's we set the MIR to the maximum
plan we offer 1024/768 and we set the CIR to the lowest plan we offer
256/128.

This seems to work fairly well, for the most part the higher bandwidth
customers get the bandwidth they are paying for without being able to
overload the AP. Lower bandwidth customers get limited by our central
bandwidth shaping device. We have over 60 clients on one Trango AP using
this setup.

Unfortunately I have been unable to find a good way of stopping
client-to-client traffic on a switched network without a massive
redesign of our existing network. Fortunately we do not have too many
problems as our backhauls have enough extra bandwidth to compensate for
any extra load client-to-client communications may place on our network.

---

Aaron, MCP, Network+, A+
Network Administrator
suppo...@greatlakes.net
 Great Lakes Internet, Inc
112 N. Howard
Croswell, MI 48422
 (810) 679-3395
MI Toll-Free (877) 558-8324

-Original Message-
From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
[mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

We bought the exact same network you did.

All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.

For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
bandwith.

On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:



We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to



its



max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT



and



just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?

--
Chris Gotstein
Sr Network Engineer
UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
500 N Stephenson Ave
Iron Mountain, MI 49801
Phone: 906-774-4847
Fax: 906-774-0335
ch...@uplogon.com
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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman 
Sam's suggestion is good - put layer 3 switch rb493 at each tower and then
traffic shape that way.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Sam Tetherow  wrote:

> A solution would be transparent traffic shaping bridges scattered about.
>  MT works for this quite well and wouldn't require you to switch to routing
> but you would need to identify where best to place the traffic shaping boxes
> in your network.
>
> I haven't used Trangos for CPEs so I haven't played with CIR/MIR but it
> doesn't seem as flexible as an MT.  I use the burst-thresholds quite a bit
> and also do traffic prioritization in my network.  If you don't then I agree
> with Butch, if it's working using just CIR/MIR then no reason to add the
> extra complication of an MT box.
>
>   Sam Tetherow
>   Sandhills Wireless
>
>
> Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet wrote:
>
>> We have a similar setup except we don't use MT for bandwidth shaping.
>> When we add new clients to the Trango AP's we set the MIR to the maximum
>> plan we offer 1024/768 and we set the CIR to the lowest plan we offer
>> 256/128.
>>
>> This seems to work fairly well, for the most part the higher bandwidth
>> customers get the bandwidth they are paying for without being able to
>> overload the AP. Lower bandwidth customers get limited by our central
>> bandwidth shaping device. We have over 60 clients on one Trango AP using
>> this setup.
>>
>> Unfortunately I have been unable to find a good way of stopping
>> client-to-client traffic on a switched network without a massive
>> redesign of our existing network. Fortunately we do not have too many
>> problems as our backhauls have enough extra bandwidth to compensate for
>> any extra load client-to-client communications may place on our network.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Aaron, MCP, Network+, A+
>> Network Administrator
>> suppo...@greatlakes.net
>>  Great Lakes Internet, Inc
>> 112 N. Howard
>> Croswell, MI 48422
>>  (810) 679-3395
>> MI Toll-Free (877) 558-8324
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
>> [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
>> To: Mikrotik discussions
>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues
>>
>> We bought the exact same network you did.
>>
>> All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
>> the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.
>>
>> For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
>> don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
>> on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
>> bandwith.
>>
>> On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
>>> using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
>>> are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
>>> have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
>>> reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
>>> way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to
>>>
>>>
>> its
>>
>>
>>> max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT
>>>
>>>
>> and
>>
>>
>>> just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Gotstein
>>> Sr Network Engineer
>>> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
>>> 500 N Stephenson Ave
>>> Iron Mountain, MI 49801
>>> Phone: 906-774-4847
>>> Fax: 906-774-0335
>>> ch...@uplogon.com
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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Sam Tetherow 
A solution would be transparent traffic shaping bridges scattered 
about.  MT works for this quite well and wouldn't require you to switch 
to routing but you would need to identify where best to place the 
traffic shaping boxes in your network.


I haven't used Trangos for CPEs so I haven't played with CIR/MIR but it 
doesn't seem as flexible as an MT.  I use the burst-thresholds quite a 
bit and also do traffic prioritization in my network.  If you don't then 
I agree with Butch, if it's working using just CIR/MIR then no reason to 
add the extra complication of an MT box.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet wrote:

We have a similar setup except we don't use MT for bandwidth shaping.
When we add new clients to the Trango AP's we set the MIR to the maximum
plan we offer 1024/768 and we set the CIR to the lowest plan we offer
256/128.

This seems to work fairly well, for the most part the higher bandwidth
customers get the bandwidth they are paying for without being able to
overload the AP. Lower bandwidth customers get limited by our central
bandwidth shaping device. We have over 60 clients on one Trango AP using
this setup.

Unfortunately I have been unable to find a good way of stopping
client-to-client traffic on a switched network without a massive
redesign of our existing network. Fortunately we do not have too many
problems as our backhauls have enough extra bandwidth to compensate for
any extra load client-to-client communications may place on our network.

---

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From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
[mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

We bought the exact same network you did.

All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.

For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
bandwith.

On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
  

We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to


its
  

max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT


and
  

just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?

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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Aaron, Network Administrator, Great Lakes Internet 
We have a similar setup except we don't use MT for bandwidth shaping.
When we add new clients to the Trango AP's we set the MIR to the maximum
plan we offer 1024/768 and we set the CIR to the lowest plan we offer
256/128.

This seems to work fairly well, for the most part the higher bandwidth
customers get the bandwidth they are paying for without being able to
overload the AP. Lower bandwidth customers get limited by our central
bandwidth shaping device. We have over 60 clients on one Trango AP using
this setup.

Unfortunately I have been unable to find a good way of stopping
client-to-client traffic on a switched network without a massive
redesign of our existing network. Fortunately we do not have too many
problems as our backhauls have enough extra bandwidth to compensate for
any extra load client-to-client communications may place on our network.

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[mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

We bought the exact same network you did.

All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.

For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
bandwith.

On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
> We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
> using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
> are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
> have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
> reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
> way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to
its
> max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT
and
> just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?
>
> --
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> Sr Network Engineer
> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
> 500 N Stephenson Ave
> Iron Mountain, MI 49801
> Phone: 906-774-4847
> Fax: 906-774-0335
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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman 
Trango will only associate with Trango.  The AP and SU must be Trango.

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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Butch Evans  wrote:

> On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:15 -0500, Chris Gotstein wrote:
> > We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
> > using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
> > are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
> > have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
> > reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
> > way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to its
> > max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT and
> > just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?
>
> The CIR/MIR feature likely to only work when both AP and CPE are Trango.
> It may work for one direction if you change either AP or CPE to another
> device.  If this feature works well, then I would not worry about using
> MT for the queues.  If it is not working well, then moving to a more
> complete solution (such as the queues and full qos capability on the MT)
> would be in order.
>
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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Butch Evans 
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:15 -0500, Chris Gotstein wrote:
> We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and 
> using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They 
> are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos 
> have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a 
> reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a 
> way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to its 
> max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT and 
> just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?

The CIR/MIR feature likely to only work when both AP and CPE are Trango.
It may work for one direction if you change either AP or CPE to another
device.  If this feature works well, then I would not worry about using
MT for the queues.  If it is not working well, then moving to a more
complete solution (such as the queues and full qos capability on the MT)
would be in order.

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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman 
Trango APs.  Forwarding is off, but they could go to another SU from
another AP.

On 5/26/09, steve  wrote:
> Why don't you just turn off forwarding on the MT AP.  Then they have to go
> out to a server or something for gaming.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
> [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
> To: Mikrotik discussions
> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues
>
> We bought the exact same network you did.
>
> All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
> the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.
>
> For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
> don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
> on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
> bandwith.
>
> On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
>> We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
>> using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
>> are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
>> have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
>> reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
>> way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to its
>> max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT and
>> just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Chris Gotstein
>> Sr Network Engineer
>> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
>> 500 N Stephenson Ave
>> Iron Mountain, MI 49801
>> Phone: 906-774-4847
>> Fax: 906-774-0335
>> ch...@uplogon.com
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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread steve 
Why don't you just turn off forwarding on the MT AP.  Then they have to go
out to a server or something for gaming.  

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service


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Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

We bought the exact same network you did.

All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.

For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
bandwith.

On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
> We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
> using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
> are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
> have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
> reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
> way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to its
> max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT and
> just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Chris Gotstein
> Sr Network Engineer
> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
> 500 N Stephenson Ave
> Iron Mountain, MI 49801
> Phone: 906-774-4847
> Fax: 906-774-0335
> ch...@uplogon.com
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Re: [Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman 
We bought the exact same network you did.

All the 900 and 5ghz trango stuff we maxed values on and did queues on
the MT.  Simple queues I found are easiest.

For the record, this is not best.  If you have two customers that
don't even see the MT in their traffic (like one customer to another
on the same AP or tower) they can suck up all of the AP's aggregate
bandwith.

On 5/26/09, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
> We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and
> using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They
> are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos
> have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a
> reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a
> way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to its
> max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT and
> just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?
>
> --
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> Sr Network Engineer
> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
> 500 N Stephenson Ave
> Iron Mountain, MI 49801
> Phone: 906-774-4847
> Fax: 906-774-0335
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[Mikrotik] Trango and MT Queues

2009-05-26 Thread Chris Gotstein 
We acquired a WISP last year that is running trango APs and CPEs, and 
using a home built PC running RouterOS 2.9.x as the main router.  They 
are also running queues on the MT box to control traffic.  The trangos 
have bandwidth settings on the CPE side, both MIR and CIR.  Is there a 
reason to run both queues and CIR/MIR for this system?  I don't see a 
way to disable the CIR/MIR on the trangos, beside just setting it to its 
max setting.  Otherwise i could just get rid of the queues on the MT and 
just CIR/MIR on the Trango.  Any suggestions?


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Iron Mountain, MI 49801
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