Re: [Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner
On Die, 2009-09-29 at 16:09 -0500, Cliff Hayes wrote: > How does using stream_by_recipient compare with using filter_recipient? If there is more than 1 recipient, stream_by_recipient() plain simply resubmits that mail for each recipient separately (via `sendmail` - IIRC you can find that function in mimedefang,pl). And (usually) these mails go through the whole mail checking process again (as if the original sender sent them that way). And after that, the original mail is discarded (where all these log messages come from). [ Fullquote deleted ] Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner
Cliff Hayes wrote: How does using stream_by_recipient compare with using filter_recipient? They aren't really related. filter_recipient allows you to tell sendmail about valid recipients by methods it can't use natively (or which might be painful to set up); stream_by_recipient allows you to do content-inspection processing on a per-recipient basis once you've accepted one or more recipients and the message itself. -kgd ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner
How does using stream_by_recipient compare with using filter_recipient? -Original Message- From: mimedefang-boun...@lists.roaringpenguin.com [mailto:mimedefang-boun...@lists.roaringpenguin.com]on Behalf Of David F. Skoll Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM To: mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com Subject: Re: [Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner Cliff Hayes wrote: > The doc describes what stream_by_recipient is for and > where to put it but not how to use it. There's more info in the docs for stream_by_domain. That info may clarify how stream_by_recipient works. Regards, David. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner
Cliff Hayes wrote: > The doc describes what stream_by_recipient is for and > where to put it but not how to use it. There's more info in the docs for stream_by_domain. That info may clarify how stream_by_recipient works. Regards, David. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner
Yes but I didn't do anything yet. I'm trying to figure out how to use
stream_by_recipient to allow users to build a custom whitelist. All I did
was add the stream_by_recipient. I added no extra code to cause the message
to be discarded. Am I supposed to move the spam checking code from
filter_end into stream_by_recipient? Am I supposed to move the code from
filter_begin into stream_by_recipient? From the man doc example it looks
like stream_by_recipient simply skips all the stuff in filter_begin for
multiple-recipient messages. Well I don't see how that helps me but I was
hoping to see something in the logs other than "discarded" to give me
something to go on. The doc describes what stream_by_recipient is for and
where to put it but not how to use it.
Cliff
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Subject: Re: [Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner
On Die, 2009-09-29 at 13:33 -0500, Cliff Hayes wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am attempting to use stream_by_recipient.
>
> I followed the instructions in the man page and added the following:
>
> sub filter_begin {
> if (stream_by_recipient()) {
> return;
> }
> ...
>
> Now I get this in the maillog:
>
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang.pl[11193]: n8TFZZYj011357: filter_begin
set
> TerminateAndDiscard flag.
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang[11208]: n8TFZZYj011357: Discarding
because
> filter instructed us to
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang[11208]: n8TFZZYj011357: Filter time is
> 139ms
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev sendmail[11357]: n8TFZZYj011357: Milter: data,
discard
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev sendmail[11357]: n8TFZZYj011357: discarded
>
> If there's more to it than that, is there a walkthrough somewhere on the
> Internet you could hook me up with to help me out?
No, that looks normal.
And that "discarded" mail should appear than multiple times each with
exactly one recipient.
Bernd
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Re: [Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner
On Die, 2009-09-29 at 13:33 -0500, Cliff Hayes wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am attempting to use stream_by_recipient.
>
> I followed the instructions in the man page and added the following:
>
> sub filter_begin {
> if (stream_by_recipient()) {
> return;
> }
> ...
>
> Now I get this in the maillog:
>
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang.pl[11193]: n8TFZZYj011357: filter_begin set
> TerminateAndDiscard flag.
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang[11208]: n8TFZZYj011357: Discarding because
> filter instructed us to
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang[11208]: n8TFZZYj011357: Filter time is
> 139ms
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev sendmail[11357]: n8TFZZYj011357: Milter: data, discard
> Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev sendmail[11357]: n8TFZZYj011357: discarded
>
> If there's more to it than that, is there a walkthrough somewhere on the
> Internet you could hook me up with to help me out?
No, that looks normal.
And that "discarded" mail should appear than multiple times each with
exactly one recipient.
Bernd
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Re: [Mimedefang] easy stream_by_recipient question
Jason Bertoch wrote: When stream_by_recipient is in use, is the message copied for each recipient before or after all the spam testing is done? I believe this is done prior to spam testing as each user may have different preferences. This is indeed the reason for sending the each recipient of the email a seperate copy of the email and thus, like David pointed out it should be done before spam scanning the email. One user might find it spam and the other might love Russian images. A smarter approach would be, if at all possible in your situation, to "look" at the recipient's spam rules and send one message only per unique combination of these rules. If you use per user bayes scanning this of course will not work. I don't use this approach as there is only one bayes table all scanners work off. What can be done is stream like this. 1. generate a hash for each user's spam rules (in the order the spam scanner looks at) 2. sort all destinations based on the hash 3. send only one email per unique hash (might have more than one recipient. As most of our uses don't bother with making their own spam rules this saves us some scanning work. PS: my android sends html mail, just found out this list does not like it this message or something like it might appear twice, as the response from the Listbot told me my original message was changed. -- Michiel Brandenburg ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
[Mimedefang] stream_by_recipient beginner
Hello,
I am attempting to use stream_by_recipient.
I followed the instructions in the man page and added the following:
sub filter_begin {
if (stream_by_recipient()) {
return;
}
...
Now I get this in the maillog:
Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang.pl[11193]: n8TFZZYj011357: filter_begin set
TerminateAndDiscard flag.
Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang[11208]: n8TFZZYj011357: Discarding because
filter instructed us to
Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev mimedefang[11208]: n8TFZZYj011357: Filter time is
139ms
Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev sendmail[11357]: n8TFZZYj011357: Milter: data, discard
Sep 29 10:35:35 sadev sendmail[11357]: n8TFZZYj011357: discarded
If there's more to it than that, is there a walkthrough somewhere on the
Internet you could hook me up with to help me out?
Thanks in advance,
Cliff
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Re: [Mimedefang] easy stream_by_recipient question
Cliff Hayes wrote: > When stream_by_recipient is in use, is the message copied for each recipient > before or after all the spam testing is done? Before. Regards, David. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] easy stream_by_recipient question
> -Original Message- > From: mimedefang-boun...@lists.roaringpenguin.com [mailto:mimedefang- > boun...@lists.roaringpenguin.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Hayes > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:00 AM > To: mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com > Subject: [Mimedefang] easy stream_by_recipient question > > > When stream_by_recipient is in use, is the message copied for each > recipient before or after all the spam testing is done? > I believe this is done prior to spam testing as each user may have different preferences. Jason A. Bertoch Network Administrator ja...@electronet.net Electronet Broadband Communications 3411 Capital Medical Blvd. Tallahassee, FL 32308 (V) 850.222.0229 (F) 850.222.8771 ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
[Mimedefang] easy stream_by_recipient question
Hello, I searched for an answer first in docs and forums. When stream_by_recipient is in use, is the message copied for each recipient before or after all the spam testing is done? If before, then I can understand the increased load as the message has to be tested over and over again for each recipient and I may not want to go there. If after, that would be ideal. Thanks in advance, Cliff ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
