Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 10:17:34PM -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: One idea would be to make some very small part of MIMEDefang into a CPAN module, and let that module's build script automatically get the truly required Perl modules. Yes, that's a good idea. But if we did that, I would throw out most If you wanted that, it's probably easier to create a Bundle::MIMEDefang that includes all dependencies for you. -- Jan-Pieter Cornet [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! Disc lamer: The addressee of this email is not the intended recipient. !! !! This is only a test of the echelon and data retention systems. Please !! !! archive this message indefinately to allow verification of the logs. !! ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
On 13 Jan 2006 at 19:28, David F. Skoll wrote: One of the biggest complaints from people who've tried MIMEDefang is the number of Perl modules it requires. I really hesitate to make another absolute dependency; I'd rather continue to use the mechanism in detect_and_load_perl_modules to discover modules at run-time and enable bits of functionality based on what is discovered. Catching up on old stuff here... One idea would be to make some very small part of MIMEDefang into a CPAN module, and let that module's build script automatically get the truly required Perl modules. This won't reduce the requirements, but it would allow a MIMEDefang install to be just ./configure make on the MIMEDefang source. -- Jeff Rife | | http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/OverTheHedge/PizzaDelivery.gif ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
Jeff Rife wrote: One idea would be to make some very small part of MIMEDefang into a CPAN module, and let that module's build script automatically get the truly required Perl modules. Yes, that's a good idea. But if we did that, I would throw out most of the existing code and rewrite MIMEDefang using proper modular and object-oriented Perl. That won't happen for a while. :-) Regards, David. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, David F. Skoll wrote: [snip] is probably not in the cards. One of the biggest complaints from people who've tried MIMEDefang is the number of Perl modules it requires. [snip] These people have obviously never installed RT :) MIMEDefangs' pre-requisites are perfectly sane for any large scale perl based framework, thanks mainly to the auto-detection. Thanks! -n -- --- nathan hruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] uga enterprise information technology services core services support --- In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
Philip Prindeville wrote: I suppose for people using RPM's with yum or smart, it might be different. The best way to handle that is to package the different filters in their own RPMs, and then *those* RPMs can specify the correct dependencies. So you know that if you want to use mimedefang-filter-magic-helo-processing, you'll need perl-Net-CIDR-Lite. Regards, David. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
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nathan r. hruby wrote: These people have obviously never installed RT :) Heh! We use RT here. Actually, if you really want to discover some dependency hell, try Catalyst plus Template Toolkit. Catalyst is a wonderful MVC-based Web development suite---gorgeous to use, but an absolute bear to install. (catalyst.perl.org, if you're interested.) -- David. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 15:54 -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote: I'd like to propose the following patch, as a prequel to the posting of an amended mimedefang-filter on the Wiki... If your changes are only going on the Wiki, then adding a Requires to the mimedefang package is incorrect. Richard ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
RE: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
If your filter example post to the Wiki requires Net-CIDR-Lite, state that in your Wiki entry. Those who want to use your code can load the module. IMHO, the spec file, should only require packages that are truly required by MIMEDefang, not packages that are popular extras in local filters. -Original Message- From: Philip Prindeville I'd like to propose the following patch, as a prequel to the posting of an amended mimedefang-filter on the Wiki... +Requires: perl-Net-CIDR-Lite ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
Richard Laager wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 15:54 -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote: I'd like to propose the following patch, as a prequel to the posting of an amended mimedefang-filter on the Wiki... If your changes are only going on the Wiki, then adding a Requires to the mimedefang package is incorrect. Richard I'm hoping that the .spec changes will mesh with the support for filter_helo and the basic scripting for it that will be in the future release that includes it. -Philip ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
Philip Prindeville wrote: I'm hoping that the .spec changes will mesh with the support for filter_helo and the basic scripting for it that will be in the future release that includes it. filter_helo is one thing, but adding a dependency on Net::CIDR::Lite is probably not in the cards. One of the biggest complaints from people who've tried MIMEDefang is the number of Perl modules it requires. I really hesitate to make another absolute dependency; I'd rather continue to use the mechanism in detect_and_load_perl_modules to discover modules at run-time and enable bits of functionality based on what is discovered. Regards, David. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
Well, the question then becomes is should the shipped .spec file support all of the example config files and scripts as well? -Philip Damrose, Mark wrote: If your filter example post to the Wiki requires Net-CIDR-Lite, state that in your Wiki entry. Those who want to use your code can load the module. IMHO, the spec file, should only require packages that are truly required by MIMEDefang, not packages that are popular extras in local filters. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
RE: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
Philip wrote: Well, the question then becomes is should the shipped .spec file support all of the example config files and scripts as well? I think of the example config files and scripts as serving suggestions whose caloric content is not included in the nutrition facts. ;) -- Matthew.van.Eerde (at) hbinc.com 805.964.4554 x902 Hispanic Business Inc./HireDiversity.com Software Engineer ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
No. MD is a framework and an Opensource one at that. People looking for a cookie cutter approach who don't know perl should by CanIt. Well, the question then becomes is should the shipped .spec file support all of the example config files and scripts as well? ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
Re: [Mimedefang] Patch to mimedefang...
David F. Skoll wrote: filter_helo is one thing, but adding a dependency on Net::CIDR::Lite is probably not in the cards. One of the biggest complaints from people who've tried MIMEDefang is the number of Perl modules it requires. I really hesitate to make another absolute dependency; I'd rather continue to use the mechanism in detect_and_load_perl_modules to discover modules at run-time and enable bits of functionality based on what is discovered. I suppose for people using RPM's with yum or smart, it might be different. For us, it's nicer to have a flat, fixed, known list of dependencies and be able to plan around that. With dynamic capabilities based on run-time determination, things have a habit of silently stopping working when needed packages get left out, etc. and you can't figure out why. So much nicer when something just complains and dies. Then at least you know what you're looking at. -Philip ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate in the above message, it is NULL AND VOID. You may ignore it. Visit http://www.mimedefang.org and http://www.roaringpenguin.com MIMEDefang mailing list MIMEDefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/mailman/listinfo/mimedefang
