RE: [Mimedefang] Aggressive mailers

2004-02-13 Thread Cormack, Ken
Geeze, and I once thought I was being "overly agressive" when I reduced my
vendor's sendmail default retry value from 1 hour to 5 minutes.  LOL


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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Jon R. Kibler wrote:

> Yesterday a mailer went amok when trying to get a mail through to
> our server. It was tempfailed by the greylist as it should, but
> instead of waiting for awhile before trying again it retried 886 times
> in 10 minutes (after witch it was let though by the greylist).

> What you describe is not uncommon.

Sympatico (a Canadian ISP) also has a rather aggressive retry schedule.
Magma (another Canadian ISP) goes to the other extreme, and seems to retry
only every 12 hours!

Regards,

David.
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Re: [Mimedefang] Aggressive mailers

2004-02-13 Thread David F. Skoll
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Jon R. Kibler wrote:

> Yesterday a mailer went amok when trying to get a mail through to
> our server. It was tempfailed by the greylist as it should, but
> instead of waiting for awhile before trying again it retried 886 times
> in 10 minutes (after witch it was let though by the greylist).

> What you describe is not uncommon.

Sympatico (a Canadian ISP) also has a rather aggressive retry schedule.
Magma (another Canadian ISP) goes to the other extreme, and seems to retry
only every 12 hours!

Regards,

David.
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Re: [Mimedefang] Aggressive mailers

2004-02-13 Thread Jon R. Kibler
Jonas Eckerman wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I've been thinking about getting my filter to blacklist (for a month or so) mailers 
> that can't take no for an answer, but yesterday something happened that made me 
> wanna check with others first.

For exactly the reason below, you don't want to do that!

> 
> Yesterday a mailer went amok when trying to get a mail through to our server. It was 
> tempfailed by the greylist as it should, but instead of waiting for awhile before 
> trying again it retried 886 times in 10 minutes (after witch it was let though by 
> the greylist).
> 

What you describe is not uncommon. I have seen this type of behavior exhibited even by 
some of the major ISPs. AOL is really famous for it, but not to the extent you 
describe. Sometimes they will have an MTA whose hostname will not resolve and we 
tempfail the message. They will try again about every 10 or 15 seconds until either 
their hostname resolves and we accept the message, or about 10 or 15 minutes goes by 
and they stop trying forever. Worse, they usually do not inform the sender that the 
message was not delivered.

Bottom line... bad idea.
--
Jon R. Kibler
Chief Technical Officer
A.S.E.T., Inc.
Charleston, SC  USA
(843) 849-8214




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