remove files progress bar
Hi guys! Is there a way to view the deleted file or a progress bar while you're erasing them? Thanks for Your reply.
Re: remove files progress bar
On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 2:57 AM, Max Power wrote: > Hi guys! > Is there a way to view the deleted file or a progress bar > while you're erasing them? > > Thanks for Your reply. Do you mean like this? yes | rm -i ./* 2>&1 | sed 's/remove //g; s/\?//g' |fmt If that kind of behavior is what you want, you could make that command line into a shell script, replacing the ./* with "$@". This would allow you to use it with xargs, for example (though, for xargs, you might also want to remove the |fmt and pipe the result of xargs to fmt...). If you want something different, I guess you would have to be a bit clearer on what you are asking for. Thanks, -- Raul
Re: simultaneous sound as many users
On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 05:50:33PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: > On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 09:26:40AM +0200, Nils Reuße wrote: > > On 04/01/2016 08:42 PM, Roman Gorelov wrote: > > >My sndio configuration is default, OBSD 5.9. > > >When I run a media file in e.g. mpv, and pause it without closing, and > > >try to listen to smth in chrome _as another user_, there is no sound: > > > > > > > Hi Roman, > > > > you need to share your sndio session cookie between the two users. I got it > > working previously (the same problem arises with mpd, where the daemon runs > > as a separate user). There should be a file called `~/.aucat_cookie` in > > your home-dir, and if i remember correctly, you just need to copy this file > > to the second users home dir. Will check later when i'm back at home. > > > > From sndio(7): > > > > AUTHENTICATION > > > > If a shared sndiod(8) server is running, for privacy reasons only one > > user may have connections to it at a given time (though the same user > > could have multiple connections to it). Users are identified by their > > session cookie, which is automatically generated by audio or MIDI > > applications upon the first connection to the server. The cookie is > > stored in $HOME/.aucat_cookie and contains 128 bits of raw random > > data. > > > > If a session needs to be shared between multiple users, they can > > connect to the server using the same cookie. > > This looks slightly bogus to me. Using sndio in record mode, I understand > the privacy concerns. But for playing ? For instance, we don't want other users to play sounds during VoIP calls.
Re: Help with IPsec multiple transform policy
On 2016-04-01, Sly Midnight wrote: > I am wondering is there a way to allow either via /etc/ipsec.conf or > /etc/isakmpd/isakmpd.policy to configure a road warrior type of IPsec VPN > access to my router that accomodates multiple types of IPsec clients that > regrettably have limitations in the auth/enc/DH groups they support. auth/enc: yes, but you will need isakmpd.conf, ipsec.conf is not flexible enough. groups will be a problem: see BUGS in isakmpd.conf(5).
Re: remove files progress bar
One could rsync -avP --delete-during /var/empty /dir/to/clean/ also if you
like to see a list of files flash by.
Or something with find ... -exec rm {} + and later something to clean out
links, sockets and/or dirs.
2016-04-03 9:39 GMT+02:00 Raul Miller :
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 2:57 AM, Max Power wrote:
> > Hi guys!
> > Is there a way to view the deleted file or a progress bar
> > while you're erasing them?
> >
> > Thanks for Your reply.
>
> Do you mean like this?
>
> yes | rm -i ./* 2>&1 | sed 's/remove //g; s/\?//g' |fmt
>
> If that kind of behavior is what you want, you could make that command
> line into a shell script, replacing the ./* with "$@". This would
> allow you to use it with xargs, for example (though, for xargs, you
> might also want to remove the |fmt and pipe the result of xargs to
> fmt...).
>
> If you want something different, I guess you would have to be a bit
> clearer on what you are asking for.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Raul
>
>
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NAT66 with temporary address
I was trying to use NAT66, from some internal subnets to my IPv6 internet address, using the following line with 5.9 release. match out on $intout inet6 from !(egress:network) to any nat-to ($intout:0) The last part expands to the link local address of the interface, which is the first address but not really useful for NAT. I would like it to use the relevant temporary address set by autoconf. Is there a way to specify this? Maybe we would need additional modifiers for it?
Re: Locating appropriate packages for webapp install w/only FreeBSD or Debian package information
On 2016-04-02 13.22.07 -0700, Damon Getsman wrote: > Is there any method for locating these packages short of doing > a search on each one of them and locating specific files and/or > developer information? Just curious as to whether or not I might not > be in the loop for something that'll make life a lot simpler here. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PkgFind In short: pkg_locate pkg_info -Q grep -l SOME_FILE_NAME /usr/ports/*/*/pkg/PLIST -Mike
Re: muting keyboard bell broken on amd64 -current?
On Sun, Apr 03, 2016 at 02:31:37AM +, li...@ggp2.com wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that the keyboard bell is no longer muted when > updating -current in the past few days? > > $ wsconsctl keyboard.bell.volume > keyboard.bell.volume=0 > > is what shows on my machine, but I'm still getting console beeps (I > wasn't before. My last kernel is showing as being built on Mar 31, and > the "broken" one is from Apr 3 00:54 UTC. > > This is on a Thinkpad T420. > > I could be misremembering how to disable the bell, but I haven't changed > any configuration other than following the usual instructions in > building -current from source and running sysmerge. You might want to check for a ``keyboard1'' reference in wscons and try setting bell.volume to 0 for that, if present. # wsconsctl | grep .*.bell.volume= keyboard.bell.volume=50 keyboard1.bell.volume=50 The ``keyboard1'' reference may always have been in there but it was not until recently (on a couple of 5.8 machines I installed) that I had to explicitly set it to mute the keyboard and hence noted it. It had me puzzled for a little while the first time. Regards, Erling
Re: Locating appropriate packages for webapp install w/only FreeBSD or Debian package information
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Quoth Mike Burns , on or about Sun, 3 Apr 2016 13:29:55 +0200: > On 2016-04-02 13.22.07 -0700, Damon Getsman wrote: > > Is there any method for locating these packages short of > > doing a search on each one of them and locating specific files > > and/or developer information? Just curious as to whether or not I [snip] > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PkgFind > > In short: > > pkg_locate > pkg_info -Q > grep -l SOME_FILE_NAME /usr/ports/*/*/pkg/PLIST Are pkg_locate and pkg_info -Q fairly interchangeable? I haven't used pkg_locate before and I'm afraid that it's not available on my system. I even checked the ports and packages for it. Wow I'm really ending up sounding more like a newbie here than I'd like, given how long I've been using the operating system. For instance, I'm currently trying to find where 'portmaster' will be available, referenced in the instructions I'm translating as being available in FreeBSD's ports at ports-mgmt/portmaster. While I can't use /usr/sbin/pkg_locate, I am noticing that there is a /usr/sbin/pkg_mklocatedb available, though I'm not sure how much good it'll do alone. :) The following 2 commands that you've given aren't turning up anything on the subject. Sorry if I'm missing anything really simple here. Any help is very much appreciated on this matter! -Damo iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXAS1TAAoJECqJ6HQbyBt4a9cP/0eBMXV0+U0d/k3TNCzKLBtr qS8vLYq/wVyy7uah6BmmB9lPr4RMW8GUxX/+RME2Q1a6x0wKyjmiD9aIdM+0gZMw rc0otYTwPpcQr+41jTtG5L67JTUZI+WXvlq9Oah9SFuxNPqiot2b1chhedHlx4LN M1MtGW2pES14baufT8mt+hizjd2mzsouDTWVl5mP23b5Obkb7RsmsKInzWCCUiOl IpKwXSx1C/P6EtGqdPVJpYvZ10pkIHzJNOHNRriGPNDVCLi+JKyYZ/xdmmnbydyy pBtFu/7Bz1fCj2hDqLECW+2CAU7lsQzvfW8rxjOiyUHcUvaAIp6pQPwtHGmR+21V ZfzeVWhLlnGus+dHt+xYlJnIBJ4QmNpAr92V58NnbBzIjy7PbBbOKMOVAZl99wOw KAbCZoxbw/Sqvy5L1USDcdpC5dDXZAnSQ0Ilo1/M8lo2TwIV4wykoTHL+m/9MkjH WbbWFoWhTWawZmTRo5uT15GR3V9yg60m20GEmKPzmyh0JfGh+3ykHdJPAEVy57bF JwRwCT7OzsE3RwOOjmIwRFT8lDembl5eEgXZ2uY6G2bch25K+1YlgNcy8PWZehYH IN0M+8kiEhJDLEZw/S9D7pZWRZ8Tu7SfYNau/iyMcijYlHTRZoVuLB3SGItAgswb dz0LKNQTZaYiu1XafZEz =3cte -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Locating appropriate packages for webapp install w/only FreeBSD or Debian package information
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please completely ignore the previous email as I've become aware that this was, indeed, a foolishly simple problem. Looking for the other packages is being much more productive, being as they're not 'portmaster' which is the FreeBSD specific ports management utility, I guess. :P Oopsie. Still kind of wondering what's up with the lack of pkg_locate, though. -Damo Quoth Damon Getsman , on or about Sun, 3 Apr 2016 07:48:50 -0700: > For instance, I'm currently trying to find where 'portmaster' will > be available, referenced in the instructions I'm translating as being > available in FreeBSD's ports at ports-mgmt/portmaster. While I can't > use /usr/sbin/pkg_locate, I am noticing that there is > a /usr/sbin/pkg_mklocatedb available, though I'm not sure how much > good it'll do alone. :) The following 2 commands that you've given > aren't turning up anything on the subject. > Sorry if I'm missing anything really simple here. Any help is very > much appreciated on this matter! iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXAS6WAAoJECqJ6HQbyBt4Oj4P/2yklBq3GzpNBz1zbTFYeTL3 DURJnsdORMwGDi8mdRhV1Iepx0dgziJ8ocnmZgKUKz6mFdr9AD1Iic7a4dP/Obb7 aaYvpL0RHuW6ALoH7fUj/YIrP5H8KP9zgUKnZaB41hoERW/hix/XTjXBl3FtslvD 0aAI2M4pDP+7ritEdwGLEPYt3NhnCQgmwBZJUtPRULI0lDSZlqi0BWe5FzaXr2/5 fOl6EiJJu2r1U07vhtndw6CuMl5OZhatBW5gDS6457cbe9k/umr+nYbXPRWRb3In 6YKRF94i7OQ8teNBfXghEaeUAUOoWfweKDdusnLXpiFdFmvCEfdbVy+bsNOw2d1p 7DzEf2kM1WthZIWJfd0MANYE9C30Epgaw60KvWBIewUJXXR6wuBzdscamYNkZXPN sLjv0rY4hE7GV/uEVtB4xqKwoIkGObkIitd5sDtE32+5tuCVsA7uomoZq2r4p7ge yHWuWsb13dAfSTdCz+iptrfPN6GpVWQBo3dT/rNz8XGNJJ4/p+mbhRAz9ko/Cy5K 2DOSycBuHDWCuyKeTUYxtHyKOALfzV2qSdF9qGML0aZXx/Feny8ilDFG+GJBhB2v fJgPt8dtQ8IiorJcj6tTcFDlzvTgadXcQhMbaHKAsgPYPQOqaB74qdMAgSAD3hbz GMGodSfq3M9L4EnJ+wl2 =UPji -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Locating appropriate packages for webapp install w/only FreeBSD or Debian package information
On 2016-04-03 07.54.14 -0700, Damon Getsman wrote: > 'portmaster' which is the FreeBSD specific ports management utility You'll probably want to read OpenBSD documentation when reading about the OpenBSD packages and ports system. That's section 15 of the OpenBSD FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html > Still kind of wondering what's up with the lack of pkg_locate, though. To quote the FAQ section 15.2.3: > If you're looking for a specific filename, install the pkglocatedb > package, then use the pkg_locate command to find which package(s) > contain that file. And indeed: $ pkg_info -Q pkglocatedb pkglocatedb-1.2 $ doas pkg_add pkglocatedb quirks-2.214 signed on 2016-04-02T21:43:21Z pkglocatedb-1.2: ok $ type pkg_locate pkg_locate is /usr/local/bin/pkg_locate -Mike
what would break arp on carp?
I have an OpenBSD 5.8 stable carp setup where one of my upstream links is serviced by a cable provider, a static IP is assigned, and I would normally have no IP assigned to the carpdev: # cat hostname.vr2 up # cat hostname.carp2 inet aa.bb.cc.dd 255.255.255.248 NONE vhid 3 pass somepass !/sbin/route -qn add -host -mpath default aa.bb.cc.ee This has worked for a few years. This past week, there was an equipment change for the upstream router of that link, judging by the change in the MAC of the gateway IP (aa.bb.cc.ee). Since that change, that network segment hasn't been able to take any carp-based traffic. If I shut down one of the firewalls and revert that link on the remaining firewall to a non-carp link, then the traffic is handled normally. After some splunking (by using a hub on the upstream segment and sniffing with tcpdump from another host with a static IP on the same segment) what I can see is that when carp is NOT in use, the upstream router will do the usual arp request and the firewall will do an arp reply with the MAC of vr2, and everything is fine. However, if carp IS in use, I can see the upstream router do the arp request, followed by the firewall arp reply (with the carp MAC), however the upstream router seems to ignore the answer and does continuous arp requests. I suspect that the fix for this is out of my control (since it seems to be the upstream that is having problems), but I'm trying to understand what would cause it. Any thoughts? I figured that the upstream might be blacklisting VRRP MACs, so I tried assigning a non-VRRP MAC via lladdr in hostname.carp2, but that had no effect on the outcome. I also tried using a high-numbered vhid in case vhid 3 was causing a conflict. The cable company's troubleshooting procedure includes rebooting the cable modem on MAC changes (presumably to clear the ARP cache), so that was done on each configuration change. A clear cache is confirmed in that the original arp request from the upstream is sent to the ethernet broadcast address. Clues welcome. Devin
Re: muting keyboard bell broken on amd64 -current?
> On Sun, Apr 03, 2016 at 02:31:37AM +, li...@ggp2.com wrote: > You might want to check for a ``keyboard1'' reference in wscons and try > setting bell.volume to 0 for that, if present. > > # wsconsctl | grep .*.bell.volume= > keyboard.bell.volume=50 > keyboard1.bell.volume=50 "keyboard1" is not present for me. Here's the output of "wsconsctl -a": keyboard.type=pc-xt keyboard.bell.pitch=400 keyboard.bell.period=100 keyboard.bell.volume=0 keyboard.bell.pitch.default=400 keyboard.bell.period.default=100 keyboard.bell.volume.default=50 keyboard.repeat.del1=400 keyboard.repeat.deln=100 keyboard.repeat.del1.default=400 keyboard.repeat.deln.default=100 keyboard.ledstate=0 keyboard.encoding=us keyboard.backlight=0.00% mouse.type=ps2 display.type=inteldrm display.emulations=vt100 display.screentypes=std display.focus=4 display.brightness=73.33% display.screen_on=250 display.screen_off=0 display.vblank=off display.kbdact=on display.msact=on display.outact=on
Re: muting keyboard bell broken on amd64 -current?
> OpenBSD 5.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #13: Sun Apr 3 00:31:48 UTC 2016 >r...@host.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP Can you reproduce it with an recent original snapshot kernel?
Re: remove files progress bar : solved!
Thank You very much Raul! This is precisely the way I was looking for... > Try this, then: > > # yes | rm -ir /home/games; echo > > This will put everything on one long line which will be a bit ugly, > but will show progress as it happens. > > Thanks, > > -- > Raul > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Max Power > wrote: >> Thank You Raul for reply, >> Your command line run so well... but it is not suitable for the purpose. >> I want to see 'while you're erasing them' not 'after like a log'. >> >> Maybe It not possible. >> >> [it wanted only a rm -v as in Linux!] >> >> >> >>> # yes | rm -ir /home/games 2>&1 | sed 's/remove //g; s/\?//g' |fmt >>> >>> (Here, # is meant to represent the prompt - it's not a part of the >>> command.) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> Raul >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Max Power >>> wrote: Hi Raul, Thanks for Your reply. I tried & failed ... !! Could you give me, please, a practical example...? e.g.: remove /home/games > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 2:57 AM, Max Power > wrote: >> Hi guys! >> Is there a way to view the deleted file or a progress bar >> while you're erasing them? >> >> Thanks for Your reply. > > Do you mean like this? > > yes | rm -i ./* 2>&1 | sed 's/remove //g; s/\?//g' |fmt > > If that kind of behavior is what you want, you could make that > command > line into a shell script, replacing the ./* with "$@". This would > allow you to use it with xargs, for example (though, for xargs, you > might also want to remove the |fmt and pipe the result of xargs to > fmt...). > > If you want something different, I guess you would have to be a bit > clearer on what you are asking for. > > Thanks, > > -- > Raul
Re: what would break arp on carp?
I'm a little bit interested by your setup, teoretically. > However, if carp IS in use, I can see the upstream router do the arp > request, followed by the firewall arp reply (with the carp MAC), Is it the 'carp MAC' the MAC of vr2? > however the upstream router seems to ignore the answer and does continuous arp > requests. Maybe that router is not receiving the arp response. Why would someone ignore an ARP message?
Re: what would break arp on carp?
--On Monday, April 04, 2016 12:26:06 AM +0300 Mihai Popescu wrote: However, if carp IS in use, I can see the upstream router do the arp request, followed by the firewall arp reply (with the carp MAC), Is it the 'carp MAC' the MAC of vr2? No. It is the lladdr shown in a `ifconfig carp2`, which would be 00:00:5e:00:01:03. The lladdr of vr2 (the underlying carpdev) is different. however the upstream router seems to ignore the answer and does continuous arp requests. Maybe that router is not receiving the arp response. Why would someone ignore an ARP message? Indeed. It's not clear why the arp replies are honoured in the non-carp case but not in the carp case. Devin
Re: doas.conf cmd with argument(s)
Philip Guenther (2016-04-01 23:47 +0200): > Sooo close. To quote doas.conf(5): > > The rules have the following format: > >permit|deny [options] identity [as target] [cmd command [args ...]] ... > 'args' is *literal* there, so the correct config line would be > permit nopass support as root cmd /usr/sbin/rcctl args restart ntpd I think doas.conf(5) is misleading here: the ellipsis in "args ..." implies that "args" is an argument that may be given multiple times. Hence "args ..." should be replaced by "args [arg ...]" as done in the diff below. (Unfortunately, with this diff the rule format will no longer fit on one line.) Index: doas.conf.5 === RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/doas/doas.conf.5,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -p -u -r1.18 doas.conf.5 --- doas.conf.5 2 Jan 2016 08:34:47 - 1.18 +++ doas.conf.5 3 Apr 2016 22:25:17 - @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ The rules have the following format: .Op Ar options .Ar identity .Op Ic as Ar target -.Op Ic cmd Ar command Op Ic args ... +.Op Ic cmd Ar command Op Ic args Op Ar arg ... .Ed .Pp Rules consist of the following parts: @@ -78,7 +78,7 @@ Be advised that it's best to specify abs If a cmd is specified, only a restricted .Ev PATH will be searched. -.It Ic args ... +.It Ic args Op Ar arg ... Arguments to command. If specified, the command arguments provided by the user need to match for the command to be successful.
Re: OT: True hardware UNIX terminal
On 2016-04-01 11:07, ropers wrote: And if anyone has ever operated the OpenBSD installer via a teleprinter, I want to hear that story. I think there's still a first-generation TI Silent 700 somewhere in my parents' basement. If, when they either die and/or move out to a seniors' residence prior to that certain event, I should run across it, and I can find a compatible telephone (acoustic handset coupler, remember!), and can find a compatible 300bps modem to dial into, and can find an honest-to-god POTS phone line (I expect this to be the hardest part) and can find a compatible system with a serial console that can be stepped down to 300bps, and the thermal paper is still viable, I'll do a fresh install just so I can mail you the ~3-4m of thermal paper I suspect that would generate. Would that be close enough for you? :-) (Actually, it just occurred to me that I don't need the phone line as long as I can also find the old PENRIL modem that can start training on a front-panel button-press instead of a -90v ring signal. Or maybe the local museum will have a 300bps acoustic-coupler modem I can borrow?) Many of the readers here have absolutely installed OpenBSD (and other *NIXes) via serial port, sometimes using a local terminal, sometimes using a modem, sometimes even vastly more esoteric combinations than anyone could reasonably expect. I vaguely recall once doing an OpenBSD install where the "console" path was: Local VT220 -> multiplexer -> modem -> DATAPAC 3101 (Canadian X.25 service) PAD -> remote PAD -> remote dial-out service -> another modem -> another multiplexer -> serial line into, IIRC, ttyA on a Sun system I was helping someone repurpose. The entire install completed successfully off a network boot in about an hour at 2400bps (*and* simultaneously 2400baud, all you pedants out there...). So while that wasn't quite an actual teletype, the whole purpose of serial ports and serial terminals as a "standard" is that crazy shit like that can actually happen! -Adam
Re: muting keyboard bell broken on amd64 -current?
> Can you reproduce it with an recent original snapshot kernel? My kernel is newer than the snapshot on the mirror I checked an hour or so ago, so I'll wait until a new one hits and test.
Re: OT: True hardware UNIX terminal
Adam Thompson writes: > On 2016-04-01 11:07, ropers wrote: > > And if anyone has ever operated the OpenBSD installer via a > > teleprinter, I want to hear that story. > > I think there's still a first-generation TI Silent 700 somewhere in my > parents' basement. If, when they either die and/or move out to a > seniors' residence prior to that certain event, I should run across it, > and I can find a compatible telephone (acoustic handset coupler, > remember!), and can find a compatible 300bps modem to dial into, and can > find an honest-to-god POTS phone line (I expect this to be the hardest > part) and can find a compatible system with a serial console that can be Well, I have the hardest part: a dial telephone (ca. 1930) with an old-style handset and an analogue line right through the switch to the telephone I'm talking to. Why on earth would anybody have such a thing? The combination of a handset with the speaker near my ear and the microphone near my mouth plus an analogue line provides me with signal-to-noise good enough that my aging ears can actually understand what's being said to me, and that the listener at the other end can understand me without the rest of the world being forced to share my end of the conversation. My 300bps acoustic handset coupler, however, is gathering dust in the basement. Bill
Re: OT: True hardware UNIX terminal
On 4 April 2016 at 02:06, Adam Thompson wrote: > On 2016-04-01 11:07, ropers wrote: > >> And if anyone has ever operated the OpenBSD installer via a teleprinter, >> I want to hear that story. >> > > I think there's still a first-generation TI Silent 700 somewhere in my > parents' basement. If, when they either die and/or move out to a seniors' > residence prior to that certain event, I should run across it, and I can > find a compatible telephone (acoustic handset coupler, remember!), and can > find a compatible 300bps modem to dial into, and can find an honest-to-god > POTS phone line (I expect this to be the hardest part) and can find a > compatible system with a serial console that can be stepped down to 300bps, > and the thermal paper is still viable, I'll do a fresh install just so I > can mail you the ~3-4m of thermal paper I suspect that would generate. > Would that be close enough for you? :-) > YES! I'd be extremely honoured to receive something like that. But, I think there are probably more worthy recipients. Computer museums, even. > (Actually, it just occurred to me that I don't need the phone line as long > as I can also find the old PENRIL modem that can start training on a > front-panel button-press instead of a -90v ring signal. Or maybe the local > museum will have a 300bps acoustic-coupler modem I can borrow?) > Wikipedia currently says that at least some Silent 700s could be locally connected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_700 Of course, that technically sort of takes away the tele- part from the teleprinter (which is not to say that the device was now just a printer), but I definitely think that an install to a locally attached teleprinter counts. The key here is that it's monitorless, so not a glass terminal; the paper is the only place where you get to see output. I love it, btw., that the Wikipedia article speaks of "the new high-speed interactive computing environment" -- at 1200 baud. :) Those were days when actual interactive use of a computer was not unlike getting telescope time at a major observatory -- and before time-sharing allowed concurrent multi-user access, it must have been almost exactly alike. Like Woz said in the Youtube video I linked: "Your use on these company computers, it was so far above us in value." > I vaguely recall once doing an OpenBSD install where the "console" path > was: > Local VT220 -> multiplexer -> modem -> DATAPAC 3101 (Canadian X.25 > service) PAD -> remote PAD -> remote dial-out service -> another modem -> > another multiplexer -> serial line into, IIRC, ttyA on a Sun system I was > helping someone repurpose. The entire install completed successfully off a > network boot in about an hour at 2400bps (*and* simultaneously 2400baud, > all you pedants out there...). > Wow.
Re: OT: True hardware UNIX terminal
On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, ropers wrote: On 4 April 2016 at 02:06, Adam Thompson wrote: On 2016-04-01 11:07, ropers wrote: And if anyone has ever operated the OpenBSD installer via a teleprinter, I want to hear that story. I think there's still a first-generation TI Silent 700 somewhere in my parents' basement. If, when they either die and/or move out to a seniors' residence prior to that certain event, I should run across it, and I can find a compatible telephone (acoustic handset coupler, remember!), and can find a compatible 300bps modem to dial into, and can find an honest-to-god POTS phone line (I expect this to be the hardest part) and can find a compatible system with a serial console that can be stepped down to 300bps, and the thermal paper is still viable, I'll do a fresh install just so I can mail you the ~3-4m of thermal paper I suspect that would generate. Would that be close enough for you? :-) YES! I'd be extremely honoured to receive something like that. But, I think there are probably more worthy recipients. Computer museums, even. (Actually, it just occurred to me that I don't need the phone line as long as I can also find the old PENRIL modem that can start training on a front-panel button-press instead of a -90v ring signal. Or maybe the local museum will have a 300bps acoustic-coupler modem I can borrow?) Wikipedia currently says that at least some Silent 700s could be locally connected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_700 Of course, that technically sort of takes away the tele- part from the teleprinter (which is not to say that the device was now just a printer), but I definitely think that an install to a locally attached teleprinter counts. The key here is that it's monitorless, so not a glass terminal; the paper is the only place where you get to see output. I love it, btw., that the Wikipedia article speaks of "the new high-speed interactive computing environment" -- at 1200 baud. :) That was advanced stuff. I remember how pleased we were when we upgraded to blazingly fast 300 baud 'glass teletypes' from 110 baud KSR35 teletypes. Dave Those were days when actual interactive use of a computer was not unlike getting telescope time at a major observatory -- and before time-sharing allowed concurrent multi-user access, it must have been almost exactly alike. Like Woz said in the Youtube video I linked: "Your use on these company computers, it was so far above us in value." I vaguely recall once doing an OpenBSD install where the "console" path was: Local VT220 -> multiplexer -> modem -> DATAPAC 3101 (Canadian X.25 service) PAD -> remote PAD -> remote dial-out service -> another modem -> another multiplexer -> serial line into, IIRC, ttyA on a Sun system I was helping someone repurpose. The entire install completed successfully off a network boot in about an hour at 2400bps (*and* simultaneously 2400baud, all you pedants out there...). Wow. -- Dave Anderson
