Re: Potential dig bug?

2020-12-16 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 02:37:19PM -0800, Jordan Geoghegan wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I've found some surprising behaviour in the 'dig' utility. I've noticed that
> dig doesn't seem to support link local IPv6 addresses. I've got unbound
> listening on a link local IPv6 address on my router and all queries seem to
> be working. I'm advertising this DNS info with rad, and I confirmed with
> tcpdump that my devices such as iPhones, Macs, Windows, Linux desktops etc
> are all properly querying my unbound server over IPv6.
> 
> dhclient doesn't seem to allow you to specify an IPv6 address in it's
> 'supersede'  options, so I manually edited my OpenBSD desktops resolv.conf
> to specify the IPv6 unbound server first. Again, I confirmed with tcpdump
> that my desktop was properly querying the unbound server over IPv6 (ie
> Firefox, ping, ssh etc all resolved domains using this server).
> 
> I used 'dig' to make a query, and I noticed it was ignoring my link local
> IPv6 nameserver in my resolv.conf. I'll save you guys the long form Ted talk
> here and just make my point:
> 
> $ cat resolv.conf
>    nameserver fe80::f29f:c2ff:fe17:b8b2%em0
>    nameserver 2606:4700:4700::
>    lookup file bind
>    family inet6 inet4
> 
> $ dig google.ca
>    [snip]
>    ;; Query time: 12 msec
>    ;; SERVER: 2606:4700:4700::#53(2606:4700:4700::)
>    [snip]
> 
> There's a bit of a delay as it waits for a time out, and then it falls back
> to the cloudflare IPv6 server.
> 
> I tried specifying the server with '@' as well as specifying source
> IP/interface with '-I' to no avail. It seems dig really doesn't like the
> 'fe80::%em0' notation, as  '@' and '-I' worked fine when used without a
> link-local address.
> 
> Is this a bug or a feature? Am I just doing something stupid? Any insight
> would be appreciated.

I think it is a bug and I can reproduce. Will invesigate deeper later.

-Otto



Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Prof. Anus Pepper
F- my formatting got all jub'd up. For prosperity:

Oh Lord...

> haha Stuart.
> Always there to make a low IQ entrance :)

Yeah, I think we all agree that Stuart is pretty retarded, like retarded 
gorilla territory but it's probably rude to point it out like that. It's better 
to just let him lumber around the mailing list, defecating where he pleases and 
smelling his own farts(4), it's really not hurting anyone, plus I think he 
amuses Theo somehow...

> Would you be more receptive if it was made by Linus and used Linux I 
> wonder... ?

Um, no?

> Try not to be to childish was just a bit of excitement

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB IDIOT. The mailing list specifically states:

 "The only mailing lists that allow file attachments are the bugs, ports and 
tech lists." Didja read that you crap smelling lobster?!

> over something we have been waiting for for many decades.

Time in an illusion. The only time now is party time, got that?


pipus you're a stink butt and no one likes you. Actually, I think you were 
joking about the commercial revolution but I still hate you otherwise. No 
regular person wants a Sun Blade 1000 running OpenBSD 6.9 next to their toilet 
managing their Internet.

OpenBSD is for super-friends and no one else.

I shall think of you as I throw up.

Professor Anus T. Pepper
University of Jub
Jubjub, NY
34257


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:37 PM, Theo de Raadt  
wrote:

> pipus pi...@protonmail.com wrote:
>
> > Stuart, one more thing, many of us have a question for you.
> > Why does Theo, someone we have a huge amount of respect for, give you such 
> > leeway in the forum?
>
> Because he makes the world better.
>
> On the other -- whoever you are -- you just smear shit over everything.




Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Prof. Anus Pepper
Oh Lord...

> haha Stuart.
> Always there to make a low IQ entrance :)

Yeah, I think we all agree that Stuart is pretty retarded, like
retarded gorilla territory but it's probably rude to point it out like
that. It's better to just let him lumber around the mailing list,
defecating where he pleases and smelling his own farts(4), it's really
 not hurting anyone, plus I think he amuses Theo somehow...

> Would you be more receptive if it was made by Linus and used Linux
> I wonder... ?

Um, no?

> Try not to be to childish was just a bit of excitement

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB IDIOT. The mailing list specifically states:

 "The only mailing lists that allow file attachments are the bugs,
ports and tech lists." Didja read that you crap smelling lobster?!

> over something we have been waiting for for many decades.

Time in an illusion. The only time now is party time, got that?


pipus you're a stink butt and no one likes you. Actually, I think you
were joking about the commercial revolution but I still hate you
otherwise. No regular person wants a Sun Blade 1000 running OpenBSD 6.9
 next to their toilet managing their Internet.

OpenBSD is for super-friends and no one else.

I shall think of you as I throw up.

Professor Anus T. Pepper
University of Jub
Jubjub, NY
34257



Re: Potential dig bug?

2020-12-16 Thread Bodie




On 16.12.2020 23:56, Jordan Geoghegan wrote:

On 12/16/20 2:37 PM, Jordan Geoghegan wrote:

Hi folks,

I've found some surprising behaviour in the 'dig' utility. I've 
noticed that dig doesn't seem to support link local IPv6 addresses. 
I've got unbound listening on a link local IPv6 address on my router 
and all queries seem to be working. I'm advertising this DNS info with 
rad, and I confirmed with tcpdump that my devices such as iPhones, 
Macs, Windows, Linux desktops etc are all properly querying my unbound 
server over IPv6.


dhclient doesn't seem to allow you to specify an IPv6 address in it's 
'supersede'  options, so I manually edited my OpenBSD desktops 
resolv.conf to specify the IPv6 unbound server first. Again, I 
confirmed with tcpdump that my desktop was properly querying the 
unbound server over IPv6 (ie Firefox, ping, ssh etc all resolved 
domains using this server).


I used 'dig' to make a query, and I noticed it was ignoring my link 
local IPv6 nameserver in my resolv.conf. I'll save you guys the long 
form Ted talk here and just make my point:


$ cat resolv.conf
   nameserver fe80::f29f:c2ff:fe17:b8b2%em0
   nameserver 2606:4700:4700::
   lookup file bind
   family inet6 inet4

$ dig google.ca
   [snip]
   ;; Query time: 12 msec
   ;; SERVER: 2606:4700:4700::#53(2606:4700:4700::)
   [snip]

There's a bit of a delay as it waits for a time out, and then it falls 
back to the cloudflare IPv6 server.


I tried specifying the server with '@' as well as specifying source 
IP/interface with '-I' to no avail. It seems dig really doesn't like 
the 'fe80::%em0' notation, as  '@' and '-I' worked fine when used 
without a link-local address.


Is this a bug or a feature? Am I just doing something stupid? Any 
insight would be appreciated.


Regards,

Jordan


Sorry for the double mail, I hit send too early...

Woops, I failed to make the key point here:

I checked with tcpdump and confirmed that dig does not even attempt to
query the IPv6 link local DNS server, even though it reports a timeout
- ie dig sends no traffic over the wire destined to that address:

; <<>> dig 9.10.8-P1 <<>> @fe80::f29f:c2ff:fe17:b8b2%em0 google.ca
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

Regards,
Jordan


Quick idea for check..how other commands from base behave? nslookup and 
host namely




Re: Building from source

2020-12-16 Thread Bodie




On 17.12.2020 03:07, Chris Zakelj wrote:

Coming back to my self-teaching on how to (hopefully eventually) be
semi-competent, I'm working on trying to build a git project from
source.  Thus far I've been able to figure out things like functions
having slight name differences (e.g. |pthread_set_name_np()| instead of
|pthread_setname_np()) and missing #includes in .hh files, but getting
stuck on a library issue... about halfway through the first module, I'm
failing with:



Will be nice to know which code/project as maybe someone else work on 
that too



ld: error: unable to find library -lprotoc
ld: error: unable to find library -lprotobuf
c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see
invocation)



https://www.openbsd.org/report.html

There are for sure other places with more info regarding that. Maybe
related Makefile is "hardcoded" with paths which are different on 
OpenBSD.

It offers at least hint to use -v for how it was invoked


I've pkg_add'ed the necessary packages, and the libraries exist in
/usr/local/lib.  I found one site that suggested creating a softlink
from .so to .so.9.0 in case the linker didn't understand versioning, 
but
that didn't help. Read the .mk files in /usr/share/mk but nothing 
jumped

out as obvious, and /etc/mk.conf doesn't exist. Pretty sure I'm missing
something newbie-obvious, I just don't know what, so a kind "Look
here..." would be appreciated.

|


You can create /etc/mk.conf on your own with stuff you need. Maybe you 
can
try to follow https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html as these 
things

are handled on that level and there are tools present like look for
'make port-lib-depends-check'

Verify shared library dependencies. Run make port-lib-depends-check and 
add every LIB_DEPENDS or WANTLIB annotation that is needed until it runs 
cleanly. You may want to read the update guidelines to understand why 
this is so important.


Or section Known your software, ports(7) and so on. There is too much to
read on the start doing it first time however.



Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread pipus
Stuart, one more thing, many of us have a question for you.
Why does Theo, someone we have a huge amount of respect for, give you such 
leeway in the forum?
You are Linus loving pseudo-tech.  A very much pointless person although you 
reply to sooo sooo many threads.
You know your idol doesn't even use Linux himself right?  Linus uses BSD, 
Darwin, because the 11 million lines of linux code is such a peace of crap he 
cannot even use it in his daily life, too unstable and insecure.  Not a single 
stable distro except maybe RHEL which requires massive effort to keep clean.

A beautiful idea terribly corrupted. Imagine losing your rag with us in 98 and 
then copying Unix really fecking badly, slapping your name on it, and then not 
making a single viable distro that doesn't break with almost every update.
He played a great joke on the tech society on the world as a whole.  hahaha.  
He followed Gates with the spread of the unusable.  Good model it seems.
SME alone we get 20-50 major hacks on the linux domain at great cost to B2B a 
year, let alone wrapping DMZ after DMZ on LE.
Some communities are trying hard to keep stable but it is an uphill battle.

So a few of us were wondering why you are here.  Do you bring in the big donos? 
 Did you marry someone's sister, cat, hamster?  Let us know if you can.
Did you get lost maybe  fell into the forum by accident thinking it was 
Linux? :). It is not.  It is something built a little better.

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Wednesday, 16 December 2020 22:46, Stuart Henderson  
wrote:

> On 2020-12-16, pipus pi...@protonmail.com wrote:
>
> > I am sure they will inform once they launch
>
> If they do, I hope they stick to one single mail without a load of
> nonsense and no stupid jpeg attachments. This is a mailing list for
> discussions of OpenBSD not a marketing forum.




Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread pipus
haha Stuart.
Always there to make a low IQ entrance :)
Would you be more receptive if it was made by Linus and used Linux I wonder... ?
Try not to be to childish was just a bit of excitement over something we have 
been waiting for for many decades.


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Wednesday, 16 December 2020 22:46, Stuart Henderson  
wrote:

> On 2020-12-16, pipus pi...@protonmail.com wrote:
>
> > I am sure they will inform once they launch
>
> If they do, I hope they stick to one single mail without a load of
> nonsense and no stupid jpeg attachments. This is a mailing list for
> discussions of OpenBSD not a marketing forum.




Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Greg Thomas
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 6:12 PM Daniel Jakots  wrote:

>
> While you were "waiting for many decades" (because I assume you were
> not able to do the work), Stuart has done more than 17000 commits in
> OpenBSD. It could be funny to see how clueless you are, if it wasn't
> appalling because of your lack of respect.
>
>
And helped countless others here on misc.  I think I know who I respect,
and who I don't.


Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Daniel Jakots
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 22:55:17 +, pipus  wrote:

> haha Stuart.
> Always there to make a low IQ entrance :)
> Would you be more receptive if it was made by Linus and used Linux I
> wonder... ? Try not to be to childish was just a bit of excitement
> over something we have been waiting for for many decades.

While you were "waiting for many decades" (because I assume you were
not able to do the work), Stuart has done more than 17000 commits in
OpenBSD. It could be funny to see how clueless you are, if it wasn't
appalling because of your lack of respect.

Cheers,
Daniel



Building from source

2020-12-16 Thread Chris Zakelj
Coming back to my self-teaching on how to (hopefully eventually) be
semi-competent, I'm working on trying to build a git project from
source.  Thus far I've been able to figure out things like functions
having slight name differences (e.g. |pthread_set_name_np()| instead of
|pthread_setname_np()) and missing #includes in .hh files, but getting
stuck on a library issue... about halfway through the first module, I'm
failing with:

ld: error: unable to find library -lprotoc
ld: error: unable to find library -lprotobuf
c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see
invocation)

I've pkg_add'ed the necessary packages, and the libraries exist in
/usr/local/lib.  I found one site that suggested creating a softlink
from .so to .so.9.0 in case the linker didn't understand versioning, but
that didn't help. Read the .mk files in /usr/share/mk but nothing jumped
out as obvious, and /etc/mk.conf doesn't exist. Pretty sure I'm missing
something newbie-obvious, I just don't know what, so a kind "Look
here..." would be appreciated.

|



Re: Switching from trunk(4) to aggr(4)

2020-12-16 Thread Daniel Jakots
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 15:04:36 +1000, David Gwynne 
wrote:

> By default LACP only sends packets every 30 seconds. Did you run
> tcpdump for long enough to make sure you saw at least one? If you get
> rid of "-D in" do you see the LACP packets that OpenBSD is
> transmitting?

You were right, I didn't wait long enough. (I didn't know about the
"every 30 seconds"). But I tried again and I never saw them with -D in,
and with -D out I saw the one from OpenBSD.

> Alternatively your switch is configured with a static aggregation,
> ie, what the "loadbalance" in trunk(4) does.

You were right again. As I didn't see the LACP packets, I looked more
carefully and yeah it appeared it was not configured as a LACP trunk. I
deleted the trunk and recreated it (it was immutable) and now aggr0 is
active. Yay!

I thought that since trunk0 in lacp mode was working, it meant the
switch was correctly configured.


Out of curiosity, I tried the commands from sthen, and indeed now they
show something:

TL-SG3216#show lacp internal
Flags:  S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs
F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs
A - Device is in active mode   P - Device is in passive mode

Channel group 1
LACP port Admin OperPortPort
Port  Flags   State Priority  Key   Key Number  State
Gi1/0/2   SA  Up32768 0x1   0x345   0x2 0x4d
Gi1/0/4   SA  Up32768 0x1   0x345   0x4 0x4d
Gi1/0/6   SA  Up32768 0x1   0x345   0x6 0x4d

TL-SG3216#show lacp neighbor
Flags:  S - Device is requesting Slow LACPDUs
F - Device is requesting Fast LACPDUs
A - Device is in active mode   P - Device is in passive mode

Channel group 1
  LACP port  Admin  Oper   PortPort
Port  Flags   Priority   Dev ID  KeyKeyNumber  State
Gi1/0/2   SP  0  ..  0  0  0   0
Gi1/0/4   SP  0  ..  0  0  0   0
Gi1/0/6   SP  0  ..  0  0  0   0


Thank you very much!
Daniel



Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread pipus
Ah cool

Yes I have seen it in action it is real and apparently coming out in less than 
a month.

But I hope that those on this list realise what it means.
A commercial revolution for OpenBSD.
It should not be for only us.

But then I am not their marketing team so will let them announce when it comes.


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Wednesday, 16 December 2020 21:33, Lari Huttunen  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 04:11:06PM +, pipus wrote:
>
> > I am sure they will inform once they launch
> > There are a few of them on the list.
>
> OK, cool.
>
> 
>
> > So dear Lari we can agree to disagree. :) I believe at least 1000 of those 
> > on this list would prefer BSD to linux as a home gateway and don't have 
> > time to code it all themselves. In fact since I was told about the product 
> > I haven't found anything even close to the functionality. It seems to sit 
> > uniquely.
>
> No, you misunderstood me. I think there definitely is a market for what you
> described if it exists. It is high time something like that needs to be
> available. If someone does it commercially, more power to them. I hope them
> the best of luck with their endeavors.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lari Huttunen
>
> ---
>
> "See the unseen. - https://photography.huttu.net




Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Theo de Raadt
pipus  wrote:

> Stuart, one more thing, many of us have a question for you.
> Why does Theo, someone we have a huge amount of respect for, give you such 
> leeway in the forum?

Because he makes the world better.

On the other -- whoever you are -- you just smear shit over everything. 



Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 09:04:30PM +, pipus wrote:
> Ah cool
> 
> Yes I have seen it in action it is real and apparently coming out in less 
> than a month.
> 
> But I hope that those on this list realise what it means.
> A commercial revolution for OpenBSD.
> It should not be for only us.
> 
> But then I am not their marketing team so will let them announce when it 
> comes.
> 

Whatever. please go away.
But read the website. You can sell OpenBSD freely. You can modify it,
release that as long as the copyright notices are kept.
We could care less what anyone else is doing. Go troll on some mailing
list for toilet innovations, because you are full of shit.



Re: Potential dig bug?

2020-12-16 Thread Jordan Geoghegan




On 12/16/20 2:37 PM, Jordan Geoghegan wrote:

Hi folks,

I've found some surprising behaviour in the 'dig' utility. I've 
noticed that dig doesn't seem to support link local IPv6 addresses. 
I've got unbound listening on a link local IPv6 address on my router 
and all queries seem to be working. I'm advertising this DNS info with 
rad, and I confirmed with tcpdump that my devices such as iPhones, 
Macs, Windows, Linux desktops etc are all properly querying my unbound 
server over IPv6.


dhclient doesn't seem to allow you to specify an IPv6 address in it's 
'supersede'  options, so I manually edited my OpenBSD desktops 
resolv.conf to specify the IPv6 unbound server first. Again, I 
confirmed with tcpdump that my desktop was properly querying the 
unbound server over IPv6 (ie Firefox, ping, ssh etc all resolved 
domains using this server).


I used 'dig' to make a query, and I noticed it was ignoring my link 
local IPv6 nameserver in my resolv.conf. I'll save you guys the long 
form Ted talk here and just make my point:


$ cat resolv.conf
   nameserver fe80::f29f:c2ff:fe17:b8b2%em0
   nameserver 2606:4700:4700::
   lookup file bind
   family inet6 inet4

$ dig google.ca
   [snip]
   ;; Query time: 12 msec
   ;; SERVER: 2606:4700:4700::#53(2606:4700:4700::)
   [snip]

There's a bit of a delay as it waits for a time out, and then it falls 
back to the cloudflare IPv6 server.


I tried specifying the server with '@' as well as specifying source 
IP/interface with '-I' to no avail. It seems dig really doesn't like 
the 'fe80::%em0' notation, as  '@' and '-I' worked fine when used 
without a link-local address.


Is this a bug or a feature? Am I just doing something stupid? Any 
insight would be appreciated.


Regards,

Jordan


Sorry for the double mail, I hit send too early...

Woops, I failed to make the key point here:

I checked with tcpdump and confirmed that dig does not even attempt to 
query the IPv6 link local DNS server, even though it reports a timeout - 
ie dig sends no traffic over the wire destined to that address:


; <<>> dig 9.10.8-P1 <<>> @fe80::f29f:c2ff:fe17:b8b2%em0 google.ca
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

Regards,
Jordan



Potential dig bug?

2020-12-16 Thread Jordan Geoghegan

Hi folks,

I've found some surprising behaviour in the 'dig' utility. I've noticed 
that dig doesn't seem to support link local IPv6 addresses. I've got 
unbound listening on a link local IPv6 address on my router and all 
queries seem to be working. I'm advertising this DNS info with rad, and 
I confirmed with tcpdump that my devices such as iPhones, Macs, Windows, 
Linux desktops etc are all properly querying my unbound server over IPv6.


dhclient doesn't seem to allow you to specify an IPv6 address in it's 
'supersede'  options, so I manually edited my OpenBSD desktops 
resolv.conf to specify the IPv6 unbound server first. Again, I confirmed 
with tcpdump that my desktop was properly querying the unbound server 
over IPv6 (ie Firefox, ping, ssh etc all resolved domains using this 
server).


I used 'dig' to make a query, and I noticed it was ignoring my link 
local IPv6 nameserver in my resolv.conf. I'll save you guys the long 
form Ted talk here and just make my point:


$ cat resolv.conf
   nameserver fe80::f29f:c2ff:fe17:b8b2%em0
   nameserver 2606:4700:4700::
   lookup file bind
   family inet6 inet4

$ dig google.ca
   [snip]
   ;; Query time: 12 msec
   ;; SERVER: 2606:4700:4700::#53(2606:4700:4700::)
   [snip]

There's a bit of a delay as it waits for a time out, and then it falls 
back to the cloudflare IPv6 server.


I tried specifying the server with '@' as well as specifying source 
IP/interface with '-I' to no avail. It seems dig really doesn't like the 
'fe80::%em0' notation, as  '@' and '-I' worked fine when used without a 
link-local address.


Is this a bug or a feature? Am I just doing something stupid? Any 
insight would be appreciated.


Regards,

Jordan



Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2020-12-16, pipus  wrote:
> I am sure they will inform once they launch

If they do, I hope they stick to one single mail without a load of
nonsense and no stupid jpeg attachments. This is a mailing list for
discussions of OpenBSD not a marketing forum.




Re: amdgpu test ends up with blank screen

2020-12-16 Thread Jens A. Griepentrog

Dear Listeners,

Two releases later I have tried out my Radeon RX 570 Nitro+ 8GB graphics 
card on a similar mainboard (Supermicro X9SRA), and it works fine!

Sorry, but only now I have found out that some pins of one of the
E5 processor sockets of the original X9DRi-F mainboard were damaged.
(Onboard graphics works but no dedicated graphic card. Probably
neither the AMD graphics card nor the amdgpu driver caused the problem.)
For the sake of completeness, I will append the dmesg for the new setup.

Thank you and with best regards,
Jens

OpenBSD 6.8 (GENERIC.MP) #2: Sat Dec  5 07:17:48 MST 2020

r...@syspatch-68-amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 68666306560 (65485MB)
avail mem = 66570280960 (63486MB)
random: good seed from bootblocks
mpath0 at root
scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0xec700 (113 entries)
bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "3.2" date 01/16/2015
bios0: Supermicro X9SRA/X9SRA-3
acpi0 at bios0: ACPI 4.0
acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC HPET SSDT MCFG DMAR EINJ ERST HEST BERT
acpi0: wakeup devices PS2K(S4) PS2M(S4) P0P9(S1) EUSB(S4) USBE(S4) 
PEX0(S4) PEX4(S4) PEX5(S4) PEX6(S4) PEX7(S4) NPE4(S4) NPE5(S4) NPE6(S4) 
NPE7(S4) NPE8(S4) NPE9(S4) [...]

acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630L v2 @ 2.40GHz, 2400.32 MHz, 06-3e-04
cpu0: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SMEP,ERMS,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,MELTDOWN

cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache
cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0
mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges
cpu0: apic clock running at 100MHz
cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.1, IBE
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor)
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Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Lari Huttunen
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 04:11:06PM +, pipus wrote:
> I am sure they will inform once they launch
> There are a few of them on the list.

OK, cool.


> So dear Lari we can agree to disagree. :) I believe at least 1000 of those on 
> this list would prefer BSD to linux as a home gateway and don't have time to 
> code it all themselves.  In fact since I was told about the product I haven't 
> found anything even close to the functionality.  It seems to sit uniquely.

No, you misunderstood me. I think there definitely is a market for what you 
described if it exists. It is high time something like that needs to be
available. If someone does it commercially, more power to them. I hope them
the best of luck with their endeavors.

Best regards,

Lari Huttunen
-- 
"See the unseen. - https://photography.huttu.net



Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread pipus
Lari,

I am sure they will inform once they launch
There are a few of them on the list.

And as always with some techs they believe they have to live on the CLI and 
fear peer visibility if they don't.  Trust me you grow out of this once you 
have delivered enough.
Those of us with families, other interests, deadlines, we don't have time to do 
it all ourselves and happily admit it.
I would bet that if your IQ is over 140, on this list or not, having a prebuilt 
OpenBSD home gateway with 9 functions in one box would get you rather excited.  
And don't worry you can buy it without telling anyone :). How long have we 
waited for such a thing ?

Imagine ... Firewall, NAS (including Time-machine), Home Cloud, Free App Store, 
Media/Music Centre, Internet VPN & Home Anywhere VPN, Ad Blocking & DNS 
Control, Net & WiFI Remote Mgt, Privacy Proxy, & Parental Control ... plus a 
dev hub .. creator hub ... all built in and ready to go for the whole home, not 
just a single node.

So dear Lari we can agree to disagree. :) I believe at least 1000 of those on 
this list would prefer BSD to linux as a home gateway and don't have time to 
code it all themselves.  In fact since I was told about the product I haven't 
found anything even close to the functionality.  It seems to sit uniquely.

Wasn't this why we developed Unix in the first place?   So this list is the 
perfect place :)

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On Wednesday, 16 December 2020 15:53, Lari Huttunen  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 09:38:47PM +, pipus wrote:
>
> > so I got lucky. See attacked screenshot of the present portal.
> > I managed to persuade to get a screenshot of the Home Gateway passed on 
> > OpenBSD. It shows the "home anywhere" so a one click home in bound & 
> > outbound VPN without opening your network with port forwarding and being 
> > able to roam behind the home gateway anywhere in the world. Pretty cool.
> > So interesting right? An OpenBSD consumer product that is a gateway that 
> > protects your whole home in firewall, in built VPN, privacy filter, 
> > ransomeware protection, even cookie caching through proxy.
> > And yes some of them are ex-Sun Microsystems so know the firewall well :). 
> > It feels familiar somehow :)
> > So when they go live in the next few weeks you can ask for features I am 
> > sure they would be willing. Nice group of guys.
>
> Looks interesting and would like to know more about the company and the 
> product.
> As security and trust go hand in hand, the more likely demography for this
> type of product most likely lies outside this "forum", but for the average
> consumer, why not. :)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lari Huttunen
>
> -
>
> "See the unseen." - https://photography.huttu.net




Re: www.openbsd.org unreachable for a few days

2020-12-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2020-12-16, Stuart Henderson  wrote:
> On 2020-12-16, Nick Holland  wrote:
>> Right now, I'm getting overall, good performance, but strange
>> patterns -- 
>>
>> $ ftp https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/install68.img
>>
>> starts out with a very modest speed, but then starts going
>> faster and faster, ftp updates its progress about once per second,
>> the first few updates are less than 1MB/s, but by the end, it's
>> doing 20MB/s.  I've attached a typescript of two pulls from
>> ftp.openbsd.org to openbsd.cs.toronto.edu.
>
> That is normal as the tcp congestion window opens up.

(depending on behaviour of the TCP stacks involved..)



Re: www.openbsd.org unreachable for a few days

2020-12-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2020-12-16, Nick Holland  wrote:
> Right now, I'm getting overall, good performance, but strange
> patterns -- 
>
> $ ftp https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/install68.img
>
> starts out with a very modest speed, but then starts going
> faster and faster, ftp updates its progress about once per second,
> the first few updates are less than 1MB/s, but by the end, it's
> doing 20MB/s.  I've attached a typescript of two pulls from
> ftp.openbsd.org to openbsd.cs.toronto.edu.

That is normal as the tcp congestion window opens up.




Re: Enhancing Privacy in 2020 attached screenshot

2020-12-16 Thread Lari Huttunen
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 09:38:47PM +, pipus wrote:
> so I got lucky.  See attacked screenshot of the present portal.
> I managed to persuade to get a screenshot of the Home Gateway passed on 
> OpenBSD.  It shows the "home anywhere" so a one click home in bound & 
> outbound VPN without opening your network with port forwarding and being able 
> to roam behind the home gateway anywhere in the world.  Pretty cool.
> So interesting right?  An OpenBSD consumer product that is a gateway that 
> protects your whole home in firewall, in built VPN, privacy filter, 
> ransomeware protection, even cookie caching through proxy.
> And yes some of them are ex-Sun Microsystems so know the firewall well :). It 
> feels familiar somehow :)
> So when they go live in the next few weeks you can ask for features I am sure 
> they would be willing.  Nice group of guys.

Looks interesting and would like to know more about the company and the product.
As security and trust go hand in hand, the more likely demography for this 
type of product most likely lies outside this "forum", but for the average 
consumer, why not. :)

Best regards,

Lari Huttunen
-- 
"See the unseen." - https://photography.huttu.net



Re: www.openbsd.org unreachable for a few days

2020-12-16 Thread Nick Holland
well, someday I'll learn to send to the right target. :-/

Nick.

On 2020-12-16 08:35, Nick Holland wrote:
> On 2020-12-15 15:45, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>> I've been told something was just fixed.
>> 
>> Now is a good time to retry.
>> 
>> Reply just to me, please.
>> 
>> ONLY people who observed the problems.
> 
> a POSSIBLY related data point -- we had problems between UofA 
> and UofToronto from the end of November to Dec 5.  Our friends
> at UofT were doing what they could to see what was going on,
> but their conclusion was it was at UofA as well, and they said
> they got no response from UofT. And then suddenly, things got
> better.
> 
> The problems we had were very slow data movement with a lot of
> "stalled" (from ftp(1)) messages, where there would be seemingly
> zero progress for many seconds.
> 
> Right now, I'm getting overall, good performance, but strange
> patterns -- 
> 
> $ ftp https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/install68.img
> 
> starts out with a very modest speed, but then starts going
> faster and faster, ftp updates its progress about once per second,
> the first few updates are less than 1MB/s, but by the end, it's
> doing 20MB/s.  I've attached a typescript of two pulls from
> ftp.openbsd.org to openbsd.cs.toronto.edu.
> 
> Nick.
> 



Re: www.openbsd.org unreachable for a few days

2020-12-16 Thread Nick Holland
On 2020-12-15 15:45, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> I've been told something was just fixed.
> 
> Now is a good time to retry.
> 
> Reply just to me, please.
> 
> ONLY people who observed the problems.

a POSSIBLY related data point -- we had problems between UofA 
and UofToronto from the end of November to Dec 5.  Our friends
at UofT were doing what they could to see what was going on,
but their conclusion was it was at UofA as well, and they said
they got no response from UofT. And then suddenly, things got
better.

The problems we had were very slow data movement with a lot of
"stalled" (from ftp(1)) messages, where there would be seemingly
zero progress for many seconds.

Right now, I'm getting overall, good performance, but strange
patterns -- 

$ ftp https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/install68.img

starts out with a very modest speed, but then starts going
faster and faster, ftp updates its progress about once per second,
the first few updates are less than 1MB/s, but by the end, it's
doing 20MB/s.  I've attached a typescript of two pulls from
ftp.openbsd.org to openbsd.cs.toronto.edu.

Nick.


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Re: Neighbor Solicitation packets try to go out on enc0

2020-12-16 Thread Axel Rau
Routers don't forward neighbour solicitation messages.
So this is a bug?

Axel
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