Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 05:38:43AM -0800, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: >> Having a bare metal server/dedicated server capable to run 20/25 VMs, >> that >> are going to be used by users who want to learn how to Administer >> OpenBSD >> correctly. After that the new users become Admin of their own Server and >> so on. > > A, so once new users have been 'trained', they then become educators > themselves, rent a server, (from the same hosting company), and 'train' > other > new users, is that it? Yes, it is, exept that one can do it on ones own server! > > If so, then it's basically a pyramid scheme. > >> the "Learning it, doing it" method. The Method, is tutored action, anything else. > > Seems to me that in this case, there is a lot of "talking about it", and > not > much else. >
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
It seems to me that the only interesting stuff said in the thread is from Anders Andersson : > I don't understand [ ... ] it is trivial for anyone today to > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > operating system. that sounds like many of us don't like more the overkilling resources and effort needed to mantain a development or testing environment made of VMs - all but a solid one, indeed. And by logic also the thought to go live with our own development environment doesnt and wont take in with much support. We probably do not like any cartel music anymore, ops. Then going off-topic the interesting subject to talk about could be how OpenBSD can make us happy in the years to come, in building our dev and testing environment.. Eg. Could be OpenBSD the first operating system to allow us to decide which fragrance to load at boot time from our own externalusb.i/mnt/Machine_Repo? These are themes that probably can be more interesting to all than trivial schemes that yes are good ones (I have some great discount plans for my clients indeed..) but are not that attractive poison any more. Feb 24, 2023 11:38:40 Anders Andersson : > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > operating system.
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 05:38:43AM -0800, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: > Having a bare metal server/dedicated server capable to run 20/25 VMs, that > are going to be used by users who want to learn how to Administer OpenBSD > correctly. After that the new users become Admin of their own Server and > so on. A, so once new users have been 'trained', they then become educators themselves, rent a server, (from the same hosting company), and 'train' other new users, is that it? If so, then it's basically a pyramid scheme. > the "Learning it, doing it" method. Seems to me that in this case, there is a lot of "talking about it", and not much else.
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 9:33 PM wrote: > >> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Misc >> >> >> >> I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just >> as a >> >> User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and >> >> OpenBSD >> >> is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and >> >> Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! >> It >> >> means one have to learn properly! >> >> >> >> I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! >> >> >> >> The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain >> number >> >> of >> >> VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. >> >> >> > >> > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today >> to >> > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any >> > operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting? >> > >> >> The purpose is Freedom, independence! and OpenBSD could be the >> appropriated OS, please look; users offering services to users: >> >> https://oddprotocol.org/ >> https://bsdforall.org/ >> > > But a cloud provider can't possibly be more free and independent than your > own computer. I still don't think I understand the purpose, are you going > to offer some kind of OpenBSD teaching and need to share the screen with > the user? I mean, what part of learning OpenBSD is better done using a > third-party host? > Their proposition is: Having a bare metal server/dedicated server capable to run 20/25 VMs, that are going to be used by users who want to learn how to Administer OpenBSD correctly. After that the new users become Admin of their own Server and so on. I discover this project few weeks ago, and only know what i share. But for me the idea of learning against to be teached is interesting! I obtained 2 specialization using the "Learning it, doing it" method.
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 9:33 PM wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: > > > >> Hello Misc > >> > >> I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just as a > >> User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and > >> OpenBSD > >> is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and > >> Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! It > >> means one have to learn properly! > >> > >> I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! > >> > >> The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain number > >> of > >> VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. > >> > > > > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to > > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > > operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting? > > > > The purpose is Freedom, independence! and OpenBSD could be the > appropriated OS, please look; users offering services to users: > > https://oddprotocol.org/ > https://bsdforall.org/ > But a cloud provider can't possibly be more free and independent than your own computer. I still don't think I understand the purpose, are you going to offer some kind of OpenBSD teaching and need to share the screen with the user? I mean, what part of learning OpenBSD is better done using a third-party host?
