Re: Patch to remove adult content from spamd(8) man page
Lewis, If censorship is your thing, why don’t you start by censoring yourself. What you are asking for here is offensive. -Rick On Nov 22, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Paolo Aglialoro paol...@gmail.com wrote: Il 22/nov/2013 19:07 J. Lewis Muir jlm...@imca-cat.org ha scritto: On 11/22/13 11:17 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: If it's offensive for you, compile your own spamd man page with the diff you so happily provided, and live the rest of your life happy. Remember to always take this pill again on 1st of May, and 1st of November, every year. Hi, Giancarlo. Well, no one wants to maintain a patch forever. I'd maintain it for a while if there was a good chance it would get accepted at some point, but if there's no chance, then I wouldn't bother. I'm a little puzzled over the whole resistance to the patch. If I wrote a man page for some software I wrote, and if an example in it was considered off-color by someone, and that someone submitted a patch to me to change it slightly to no longer be off-color to them, and they asked in a kind way, and the patch didn't hurt the clarity of the man page in any way, I would likely accept the patch. How am I hurt by it? I may not agree with the person, but why would I insist on keeping an example that seems off-color to them? If it's somehow offensive to them and can be changed in a small way not to be, then I would accept the patch to change it. Everybody wins--no big deal. Lewis +1
Re: : Real men don't attack straw men
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26:25PM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: : It contains URL's to non-free software, and free Makefiles that knows how to build that non-free software. But the entire ports tree has no non-free software in it at all. Does that make it non-free? Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy, and thus contradicts the idea that software should be free. Are all operating systems non-free then, because they can be used to write free Makefiles which compile non-free software? No, that's a totally different question. Q1: could your system support a port to install non-free program FOO. Q2: does your system come with a port to install FOO. The answer to Q1 is always yes. I'm concerned with Q2. It now seems fairly clear where Mr. Stallman draws the line. For him to recommend a distribution as a free software distribution it should ignore non-free software. Not pretend that non-free software does not exist, but just not point where to find it. OpenBSD's port tree is stated to contain (pointers to) some non-free software but mostly free so you have been warned, but it takes an active step by the user to filter the port tree if one wants to avoid non-free software. Therefore the OpenBSD distribution is not kosher in Stallman's view. I've been a user for years and could care less what Stallman thinks. If OpenBSD's port tree would be stated to contain only (pointers to) free software, that is the current port tree would be split into a free port tree in the distribution and a non-free tree to download from some other site ready to drop into the free port tree. Then the distribution would be Stallman-kosher. With a not too huge effort. The OpenBSD team doesn't put releases together for Richard Stallman, so who cares? If then the installation pages would have links to and explanation about the non-free part of the port tree, I do not know if that would render the whole distribution non-Stallman-kosher. Based on some of Theo's recent postings I'm not sure Stallman's own web site is Stallman kosher--I just hope Stallman can sleep at night. But if there is enough benefit for OpenBSD to be on Stallman's list of free operating systems, to do such a change, that is a completely different question. Who is Stallman that we as users should even care? And if Stallman's definition of a free software distribution is a good one, that is obviously debatable. Many feel OpenBSD is already freer than most, and I also feel it is. At least in spirit. Is this even debatable? What lawyer in his right mind would argue that Stallman's licenses are *more* free than OpenBSD!? But that is not enough for Mr. Stallman, and he is free to have that opinion. He sure is (free to debate the merits of OpenBSD on *his* mailing lists). I've been an OpenBSD advocate for years. This stuff gets rather tired after a while (I can't even imagine what it must be like to be a core member of the OpenBSD team and have to read this stuff). -Rick
Re: blobs are bad
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 08:38:45PM -0700, Rob wrote: On 10/19/06, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 11:34:49AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: 2006/10/18, ICMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have read this thread, and I don't get it. Doesn't it benefit card companies to have open source communities making their drivers better? Why do some people feel the need to make up utter bullshit defences for the vendors, when there is not one ounce of fact to back it up? Why? I think anyone who cares about this at all has tried to figure out why vendors take the attitude they do. I have, though I haven't posted much about it. Since you and those you work with on this project have dealt with many different vendors, do you find some common reasons they give? Or when you back them into a logical corner, is there some last refuge they resort to? I'm sure you can guess why I'm asking. Companies don't always do things that make sense to an engineer. Engineers generally make decisions based on what's best for the design; the engineer says, we should open this up, and let other people improve it for us. But, someone in management says, I don't want to open this up, because it's a secret, and it's our secret, and secrets are valuable. You can waste a lot of time attacking someone's attitude with logic, and in the end, it won't change anything because their attitude isn't based on your kind of logic. Sometimes you just have to wait for their attitude to change. And sometimes you have to do things to expedite that change in attitude, like not buy products from companys that don't have your best interests at heart. This thread is boring and going nowhere. -Rick
Re: Letter to OLPC
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 01:24:13PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: if they want to fix third world countries they should start with the governments, this seems more like a marketing excercise Unfortunately, fixing the government while maintaining the universal democracy that is practically insisted upon by the USA as world uber-cop makes that a very difficult task. Democracy gets you the government you deserve, not the govenment that will fix your problems, and this is natural. If the electorate is hungry and ill educated they will vote (or help) the first and best alternative to stop that and the hell with any long term consequences. (The same is still true in the west just on a grander scale..) While the west got to get working democratic government up and running while effectively preventing the unwashed masses from voting, thereby giving them time to get things in place to educate the same before allowing it. The same is typically frowned upon in third world countries when the you must have democracy stick has the carrot hung to it or is shoved up the victim's nether regions as the case may be. Education is the only thing that mitigates the manipulation of the electorate by those seeking office. Personally, I think big chunks of Africa growing up motherless and fatherless due to aids, war, and hunger is a hell of a lot more of a problem than whether or not they have a laptop. You can get a perfectly good technological education without a computer. I did. You can't learn worth a shit if you're sick, starving, or being shot at. Well said. It is amazing that more people don't get this. Perhaps the laptops could be shipped with a pack of vitamins, a loaf of bread, and light body armor? -Rick
apm problems on dell inspiron 8000
I just loaded a recent 3.7 snapshot and now I seem to be having APM issues. Not long ago I was running a 3.6 snapshot and didn't have problems with a sudo reboot or a sudo shutdown -h -p now. I was also able to unplug A/C power without locking up the machine. Now, when I perform a sudo reboot or a sudo shutdown -h -p now I see the message indicating syncing completed and that the machine is rebooting or shutting down but then it just stops and I have to manually reset. When I unplug A/C power the machine locks up and the fan spins like mad. Here are the current sysctl settings relevant to apm: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/rpettit $ sysctl -a | grep apm machdep.apmwarn=5 machdep.apmhalt=1 Last but not least, here is the dmesg: OpenBSD 3.7-current (GENERIC) #189: Fri Jun 10 14:44:35 MDT 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 848 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 267927552 (261648K) avail mem = 237666304 (232096K) using 3296 buffers containing 13500416 bytes (13184K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(00) BIOS, date 07/02/02, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xffe90 apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: battery life expectancy 98% apm0: AC on, battery charge high, charging, estimated 9:25 hours apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfbc20/192 (10 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:31:0 (Intel 82371 ISA and IDE rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #5 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x1 cpu0 at mainbus0 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82815 Hub rev 0x02: rng active, 7Kb/sec ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82815 AGP rev 0x02 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) ppb1 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI rev 0x02 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 esa0 at pci2 dev 3 function 0 ESS Maestro 3 rev 0x10: irq 5 ac97: codec id 0x83847609 (SigmaTel STAC9721/23) ac97: codec features 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, SigmaTel 3D audio0 at esa0 ppb2 at pci2 dev 6 function 0 unknown vendor 0x1668 product 0x0100 rev 0x11 pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 fxp0 at pci3 dev 4 function 0 Intel 82557 rev 0x08, i82559: irq 10, address 00:20:e0:64:07:72 inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 ATT/Lucent LTMODEM rev 0x01 at pci3 dev 8 function 0 not configured cbb0 at pci2 dev 15 function 0 Texas Instruments PCI4451 CardBus rev 0x00: irq 10 cbb1 at pci2 dev 15 function 1 Texas Instruments PCI4451 CardBus rev 0x00: irq 10 Texas Instruments PCI4451 FireWire rev 0x00 at pci2 dev 15 function 2 not configured cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0 cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 4 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0x20 pcmcia0 at cardslot0 cardslot1 at cbb1 slot 1 flags 0 cardbus1 at cardslot1: bus 5 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0x20 pcmcia1 at cardslot1 ichpcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel 82801BAM LPC rev 0x02 pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 Intel 82801BAM IDE rev 0x02: DMA, channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: HITACHI_DK23EA-40 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 38154MB, 78140160 sectors atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 1 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: LG, DVD-ROM DRN8080B, 1.11 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 cd0(pciide0:0:1): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 pciide0: channel 1 ignored (disabled) uhci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 Intel 82801BA USB rev 0x02: irq 10 usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered isa0 at ichpcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 sysbeep0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16 pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 biomask ef4d netmask ef4d ttymask ffcf pctr: 686-class user-level performance counters enabled mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support uhidev0 at uhub0 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 uhidev0: Logitech USB Receiver, rev 1.10/9.10, addr 2, iclass 3/1 ums0 at uhidev0: 5 buttons and Z dir. wsmouse1 at ums0 mux 0 dkcsum: wd0 matched BIOS disk 80 root on wd0a rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302 WARNING: / was not properly unmounted ^ This is the result of a manual reset when removing
Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]
These threads truly hurt the list, and make everyone suffer. Please stop. -Rick On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 01:54:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not true. I have spoken my mind many times in-person and at work, to managers and presidents. I have never been fired for anything I've said because I don't attack people personally. I would gladly have a discussion in real-life with anyone on this list. Only a fool or someone as immature as you would actually get so defensive. Rational people can disagree cannot they not? They can argue points without breaking into a fist-fight, can't they? Maybe you don't understand the difference between arguing a point and just arguing. Uh, last time I checked he was accusing you of calling people names and acting like an asshole. That is a lot different that simply having a difference of opinion. And I would have to agree with him. You would get fired most places for talking the way a lot of people do on this list. This is all besides the point though. People are ignorant. People over react. This really needs not be discussed any further as neither side will change very much if at all. Let's drop this pointless babble and continue on with the help that the list was setup for in the first place. On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:58:59 -0700 Rick Barter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dereck wrote: Look, I don't 'act all tough on the net'. I just refuse to sit idly by while mamby pamby whiners are spouting crap. And, in real life, I'd say the same thing to him. On this I'll have to draw the line - that is plainly Bullshit. You would not say anything like this to his or her face, because you are a coward hiding behind your keyboard. In the real world no one would take what you dish on this list, and that is the plain fact. No company or government job would put up with it. We have to because it is a public list. But you are so full of it that it is painful to watch. You would not say these things and stay gainfully employed. Not true. I have spoken my mind many times in-person and at work, to managers and presidents. I have never been fired for anything I've said because I don't attack people personally. I would gladly have a discussion in real-life with anyone on this list. Only a fool or someone as immature as you would actually get so defensive. Rational people can disagree cannot they not? They can argue points without breaking into a fist-fight, can't they? Maybe you don't understand the difference between arguing a point and just arguing. You are driving people away from trying and using OBSD, and I (for one) hope that you are at least proud of yourself. This is the MISC list, for crissakes, and we should be more helpful to newbies. As a technical project, Linux is a mess; but it continues to grow not in small part to the esprit de corps that the users openly encourage. Newbie questions on Linux lists are not discouraged, and a keep at it - it'll come encouragement is not at all unusual. They are even proud of getting their grandmothers to use it! Never once during this thread have I advocated NOT helping new people. Please re-read my response to the original post. I have never once discouraged someone from participating on this list and have helped whenever and wherever I can. We, by contrast, have to put up with the better than you attitude from the vocal minority on this list which reminds one unpleasantly of Jerry Fallwell, Osama bin Liden, and other wacko religious crowds. Put a sock in it, Rick. Almost everyone met your type in grade school. Small boys who pick fights with younger girls, or kick the neighbor's dog, are not uncommon. You are not keeping it real, or setting the story straight, or protecting us from assholes. You ARE the asshole. Hahaha are you saying I'm a wacko, a terrorist? Why, because I have an opinion I feel strongly about, tried to make a point, and am defending my assertions? This is what I'm talking about. The world is being conditioned such that if you argue with someone, you're the enemy. Grow up. Oh, and thanks for calling me an asshole. You made my day. If you will stop protecting us maybe the user base will expand. [And yes, I'll be glad to answer questions and help - with money, time, and anything else.] Haha. Who cares if the user base expands. The OpenBSD team doesn't. Go read some documentation. They code this stuff for their own pleasure/use. I happen to like the system and come along for the ride. And if anyone wants to come to my house and discuss it over tea or coffee or anything let me know and I'll give you my address. rvb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 2.4
