Re: Patch to remove "adult" content from spamd(8) man page
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:33 AM, J. Lewis Muir wrote: > I found some of the example email addresses and domains in the spamd(8) > man page to be somewhat "adult" in nature. If given the choice, I'd > choose to read the man page without the adult content. Here's a patch > against -current that replaces the adult examples with "cleaner" > alternatives. Would a developer be willing to accept this patch? > > Thanks, > > Lewis > > Index: libexec/spamd/spamd.8 > === > RCS file: /cvs/src/libexec/spamd/spamd.8,v > retrieving revision 1.119 > diff -u -p -r1.119 spamd.8 > --- libexec/spamd/spamd.8 27 Sep 2012 20:12:32 - 1.119 > +++ libexec/spamd/spamd.8 21 Nov 2013 16:50:06 - > @@ -415,7 +415,7 @@ For example, if > .Pa spamd.alloweddomains > contains: > .Bd -literal -offset indent > -@humpingforjesus.com > +@top1marketing.com > > I'd prefer to read the man page without encountering references to top1marketing. Widely-appreciated humor is a difficult thing to construct; however, referencing the Stooges is a good start.
Re: installer - moving sets location right after network for automated installation
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas wrote: > Theo de Raadt writes: > [...] >> The 5th word in your original email is "we", and what you really mean >> to use there is the plural "you". > > Is that a new theo.c entry? +1
Re: 1u machine wanted..
>> > If anyone can find a way to donate such machines, please drop me a note. >> > thanks. >> >> What's the status of this donation request? Was it fulfilled? > > Someone has stepped up to offer two machines of the type I requested! That's awesome! Very cool move on that person's part. >> (I'm guessing not, as it looks like it's still listed on the want.html >> page.) > > Actually, the request above is not listed in want.html. That's true. I confused it with another request (for Itanium 1U and 2U machines). >> This seems like a pretty important request to me. If nobody has the >> machines to donate, should we move forward by donating funds? I can't >> kick in a lot, but, you know, if we all kick in a little... > > Over the years, the small donations have been added up into a fund > that has served other purposes that require cash -- like making sure > that the networks keep working, that hackathons happen and poorer > developers can attend, or servicing other rapid problem solving -- > such as replacing the AC earlier this year, or getting a few new UPS. > > It assume there are a few people out there that can -- once in a > while, if a clear request is made -- provide us with a few big-ticket > items that shouldn't dent the donation money pile. I am happy that my > assumption still seems to be true! Me too! Thanks for the update.
Re: 1u machine wanted..
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Donation request: > > I am looking for 1 or 2 "very fast" 1u x86 machines (for instance > fast-cpu dell r610) so that I can do a refresh of the ports tree > amd64-build machines with newer hardware. > > The current machines are lagging in performance and I want to improve > the build times. The two faster architectures (i386 and amd64) are > used to spot build problems in the ports tree very quickly, before > other slower architectures see them. The other slower architectures > include some rather sensitive machines, though since "all the world is > linux running on amd64" is becoming a problem , and therefore they > suit that purpose. they act together to catch problems before > developers waste time. > > If anyone can find a way to donate such machines, please drop me a note. > thanks. What's the status of this donation request? Was it fulfilled? (I'm guessing not, as it looks like it's still listed on the want.html page.) This seems like a pretty important request to me. If nobody has the machines to donate, should we move forward by donating funds? I can't kick in a lot, but, you know, if we all kick in a little...
Re: update http://www.openbsdsupport.org/
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Wesley wrote: > Hi, > > OpenBSD FAQ is a very good starting point. > But it will be famous if http://www.openbsdsupport.org/ can be updated. >From that page: Note: The content published here in no way implies that the OpenBSD project or any member of the OpenBSD team sanctions or approves of such use. Do not complain to them if you find anything obsolete here. If you do find it unusable, inexact, obsolete or simply bad, then your help would be welcome to make it better. Send in your new document.
Re: Do You Sell Residential or Commercial Real Estate
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Jay Hart wrote: > I'll bet if it was up your Arse with a ham sandwich you'd know how we get our > sales leads... Man, Jay, you gave me a good chuckle with that one! "up your arse with a ham sandwich" I use the ham sandwich thing a lot, too, but never this well. Cheers!
Re: OpenBSD in Rock Band 3
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Josh Rickmar wrote: > Aw, I read the subject and thought that some openbsd release songs > had made it in.. Me too! That would've been awesome!
Re: undeadly's been down for a while
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Paul de Weerd wrote: > Hi Patric, others, > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36:14PM -0500, patric conant wrote: > | just fyi, in case someone involved is on misc. > > Hardware failure on the host. Being looked into, apologies for the > service disruption. Say, while we're on the subject of undeadly, why is the OpenBSD Errata section (in the sidebar) no longer populated? I appreciated it being there.
Re: Mailing list headers
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:11 PM, patrick keshishian wrote: > I use gmail and I filter on: > > B B B B Matches: to:(misc@openbsd.org) > > same for ports@, x11@, tech@, etc. It work just fine. > > --patrick Same here. Works great.
Re: HP Compaq 6005 hanging on boot
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: > Sure you install windows on it then install the bios then you blow away > wondows again. B I don't know the hp magic to update bios'. That's exactly what I was thinking of doing. (The BIOS update instructions are on the HP website.) I'll update this thread afterwards. Thanks for your insight, Marco.
Re: HP Compaq 6005 hanging on boot
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Epidemic SomeGuy wrote: > Or maybe the bios is so badly broken that the "real fix" for this > would be in the form of a bios-update from HP? > I'll look for that too. There is a BIOS update for the 786F6 systems (which is what I have): http://preview.tinyurl.com/2gxtyu6 Intuitive update instructions are here: http://preview.tinyurl.com/27gfryg The thing is... it doesn't list a BIOS update for Linux. This must be due to the linuxbios that bofh referred to, no? For Windows 7, it just lists the Business Desktops BIOS Utilities (ver. 4.02 Rev. A). For Windows XP Pro and all Windows Vista variations, it lists both the Business Desktops BIOS Utilities (ver. 4.02 Rev. A) and the HP Compaq Business Desktop System BIOS - 786F6 BIOS (ver. 3.10 Rev. A). For Windows 2000, it lists just the 3.10 update. My machine actually shipped with Novell SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, with a BIOS version of 01.09. I'm thinking I ought to try the 3.10 update. Thoughts? Marco?
Re: HP Compaq 6005 hanging on boot
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: > This is most likely a bios issue and I hoped my little trick helped you > past the bios boot part. Yeah, me too. I guess I'll have to look for a BIOS update, though I'm not very optimistic that one exists. By the way, I don't understand why your trick would work in any situation. I didn't think anything persists beyond a reboot. I am really puzzled that it works in some situations. Weird. > HP/compaq really know how to be incompatible. Yeah, no doubt.
Re: HP Compaq 6005 hanging on boot
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: > This is going to be the weirdest thing you heard all week but here goes. > > Drop in a bootable cd (like windows) and boot. B When it asks for you to > press the key to boot don't; just let it fall through and tada it boots > afterward (maybe). Man, I _really_ wanted this to work, but it didn't. I'm having the exact same problem (booting to either the OpenBSD 4.7 i386 or amd64 disc) on an HP Compaq dc5850 (currently running a basic/default installation of Fedora 12). It'll boot to a Slackware 13.1 disc and a Windows XP SP-1 disc, but not the aforementioned OpenBSD discs, nor a BSDanywhere 4.6 disc. For what it's worth, I've had this problem before (with the OpenBSD 4.4 or 4.5 release) on an old Dell Dimension. If you really need its specs, I can dig it out of the closet. Here's the dmesg for the HP Compaq dc5850: Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset Initializing cgroup subsys cpu Linux version 2.6.32.14-127.fc12.x86_64 (mockbu...@x86-03.phx2.fedoraproject.org) (gcc version 4.4.3 20100127 (Red Hat 4.4.3-4) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Fri May 28 04:30:39 UTC 2010 Command line: ro root=/dev/mapper/vg_tolstoy-lv_root LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us rhgb quiet KERNEL supported cpus: Intel GenuineIntel AMD AuthenticAMD Centaur CentaurHauls BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000e8000 - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 7dfb6b00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 7dfb6b00 - 8000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: f400 - f800 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fec0 - fed4 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fed45000 - 0001 (reserved) DMI 2.5 present. last_pfn = 0x7dfb6 max_arch_pfn = 0x4 MTRR default type: uncachable MTRR fixed ranges enabled: 0-9 write-back A-B uncachable C-E3FFF write-protect E4000-E write-back F-F write-protect MTRR variable ranges enabled: 0 base 00 mask FF8000 write-back 1 base 007E00 mask FFFE00 uncachable 2 disabled 3 disabled 4 disabled 5 disabled 6 disabled 7 disabled x86 PAT enabled: cpu 0, old 0x7040600070406, new 0x7010600070106 original variable MTRRs reg 0, base: 0GB, range: 2GB, type WB reg 1, base: 2016MB, range: 32MB, type UC total RAM covered: 2016M Found optimal setting for mtrr clean up gran_size: 64K chunk_size: 64M num_reg: 2 lose cover RAM: 0G New variable MTRRs reg 0, base: 0GB, range: 2GB, type WB reg 1, base: 2016MB, range: 32MB, type UC initial memory mapped : 0 - 2000 init_memory_mapping: -7dfb6000 00 - 007de0 page 2M 007de0 - 007dfb6000 page 4k kernel direct mapping tables up to 7dfb6000 @ 8000-c000 RAMDISK: 3745f000 - 37fef9e3 ACPI: RSDP 000e6c10 00014 (v00 COMPAQ) ACPI: RSDT 7dfc6b40 00040 (v01 HPQOEM SLIC-BPC 20080409 ) ACPI: FACP 7dfc6be8 00074 (v01 COMPAQ HP_RS780 0001 ) ACPI: DSDT 7dfc6f5f 0971A (v01 COMPAQ DSDT_PRJ 0001 MSFT 010E) ACPI: FACS 7dfc6b00 00040 ACPI: APIC 7dfc6c5c 00084 (v01 COMPAQ HP_RS780 0001 ) ACPI: ASF! 7dfc6ce0 00063 (v32 COMPAQ HP_RS780 0001 ) ACPI: MCFG 7dfc6d43 0003C (v01 COMPAQ HP_RS780 0001 ) ACPI: TCPA 7dfc6d7f 00032 (v01 COMPAQ HP_RS780 0001 ) ACPI: SLIC 7dfc6db1 00176 (v01 HPQOEM SLIC-BPC 0001 ) ACPI: HPET 7dfc6f27 00038 (v01 COMPAQ HP_RS780 0001 ) ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0 Scanning NUMA topology in Northbridge 24 No NUMA configuration found Faking a node at -7dfb6000 Bootmem setup node 0 -7dfb6000 NODE_DATA [a000 - 0001] bootmap [0002 - 0002fbf7] pages 10 (7 early reservations) ==> bootmem [00 - 007dfb6000] #0 [00 - 001000] BIOS data page ==> [00 - 001000] #1 [006000 - 008000] TRAMPOLINE ==> [006000 - 008000] #2 [000100 - 0001a56ee8]TEXT DATA BSS ==> [000100 - 0001a56ee8] #3 [003745f000 - 0037fef9e3] RAMDISK ==> [003745f000 - 0037fef9e3] #4 [09fc00 - 10]BIOS reserved ==> [09fc00 - 10] #5 [0001a57000 - 0001a57134] BRK ==> [0001a57000 - 0001a57134] #6 [008000 - 00a000] PGTABLE ==> [008000 - 00a000] [ea00-ea0001bf] PMD -> [88000200-880003bf] on node 0 Zone PFN ranges: DMA 0x -> 0x1000 DMA320x1000 -> 0x0010 Normal 0x0010 -> 0x0010 Movable zone start PFN for each node early_node_map[2] active PFN ranges 0: 0x -> 0x009f 0: 0x0100 -> 0x0007dfb6 On node
Re: 4.7 CDs arrived in Colorado
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote: > Humm... will packages for 4.7 be available now on FTP, since people > are already getting their pre-order cd sets? You're looking a gift horse in the mouth.
Re: Printing schemas
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm looking specifically ay how to print to a USB printer that is > hanging off an XP box. Then why didn't you mention that in your first post?
Re: ioctl error
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Ismail OZATAY wrote: > http://www.lmgtfy.com is a usefull web site for kids and handicaps. I think it's more for lazy people and morons, two groups which largely overlap one another.
Re: why is pf reseting this ssh connection?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: > I'm still having this reset problem. > > Looking at the logs below, the reset seems to coming from the session > being blocked (the last log), but why would PF block the session when it > accepted the session about 70 seconds before (the first 2 logs)? > > Since Ethereal shows that the SSH client is not trying to establish a new > session, it seems that PF must have lost-track that it had already > accepted this session... > > What is really weird is that it only happens when SSH-ing to this host > (10.0.1.24), connections to a host (10.0.1.22) right next to it on the > same subnet stay up all the time > > Again, this is with OBSD 4.2 > > Any ideas? This only happens with SSH connections? Are the rulesets identical between the two machines? Also, why are you still running 4.2? As I'm sure you know, there have been many improvements to pf since that release. Todd P.S. Maybe send your dmesg(s) and ruleset(s) with your next reply. Just a thought. P.P.S. Part of my brain keeps thinking, "Flaky NIC?"
Re: openbsd ca tutorial
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Bob Beck wrote: > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=OpenSSL+set+up+own+Certificate+Authority Bob, that's hilarious! I wasn't aware of that site.
Re: image editor
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Frank Bax wrote: > I'm looking for basic image editor: crop, resize, lossless jpg rotation. > > Something minimalistic would be nice, so GIMP is out. I like ImageMagick for such tasks. Command line fits your minimalistic requirement. It's in Packages.
Re: 4.6 arriving
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Aaron Mason wrote: > I will buy a CD set when my finances allow me to, you have my word. Dude, it's $50. You could've made that in the time it took you to compose your email. I'm just sayin'.
Re: /dev/audio: Device busy
2009/10/4 Buzzer <4625...@gmail.com>: > I do not want to hear anything else. Thread closed. Sheesh. That one line says it all. Good riddance.
Re: 4.5 arrived in northeastern US
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM, patrick keshishian wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Mike M wrote: >> The mail carrier liked the "OpenBSD - To serve and protect" sticker on the >> outside of the package. > > I was gonna hate you, but i took a walk to the mailbox and there was > my package! =) no stickers on the outside though =\ > > I like the pacman illustration! > > --patrick > p.s., Southern California here. Got mine today, too! I'm in North Texas. The cover art is killer! Best ever, in my opinion. As always, thanks to Austin for the early, speedy shipping. And thanks to the the whole OpenBSD crew for another great release!
Re: possible bug in OpenNTPD code?
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Anirban Sinha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope I will get some response to this. If not, I will assume that > there is really no interest in fixing bugs in openntpd and in that case, Why would you assume that? That seems a bit hostile. Perhaps the developers are a bit busy at the moment.
Re: OpenSSH interview in ITWire-AU
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Lars NoodC)n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice interview Damien Miller: >http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21327/1090/1/0/ Wow, that was an excellent read. Thanks for posting it, Lars.
Re: 4.4 arriving in the U.S.
Received mine today as well! I'm in Madison, WI. Awesome artwork and stickers! Puffy rules!
Re: mirror.cs.wisc.edu
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:46 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm an alumni from the CS Department at Wisconsin who uses OpenBSD and I > recently got them to update their mirror page to reflect the fact that > they mirror the OpenBSD releases. They have had a mirror for some time but > I don't think they have openly publicized the fact. Their servers sit on > fiber optic lines to the national backbone in Chicago and I have always > found it to be one of the fastest OpenBSD mirrors available no matter my > location (even in Europe). Indeed, it seems to be a very fast connection! But then, I'm in Madison ;) > Sometimes they can be lax in updating their > mirror to the current release but if you send a email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (computer systems lab) they will generally update the mirror within a day > (M-F 9:00-5:000). A thought I had upon reading the above: Shouldn't the onus be on the mirror administrator to ensure that his/her mirrors are up to date? Is it really that hard to write a cron job to check that which you are mirroring on a regular basis to see if an rsync needs to occur (and then do so, if it does)? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just wondering why mirrors are so often out of sync. (Kinda negates the term mirror, no?) It would seem to me that part of setting up a mirror would be to take the necessary steps to ensure that it continues to be a true mirror. > I was hoping that Wisconsin could be added to the list > of download sites so that other people could take advantage of the > services provided by such a outstanding institution. I agree; however, the mirror administrator should probably comply fully with the OpenBSD mirror requirements. The mirror you referred to isn't complying with the first bullet under the 'Structural Layout' section of this page: http://openbsd.org/ftp.html If I go to: http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/OpenBSD/ I get a 404 error (which, btw, tells one to contact lab@, not csl@). I didn't check to see if it complies with all of the other OpenBSD mirror requirements. Perhaps you could request that the mirror administrator read the requirements in full. Anyway, I'm happy to know about this mirror. Thanks for mentioning it, as I know I'll use it myself. I'd definitely like to see it added to the official list. Todd P.S. You should probably have sent this to www@, not [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Milwaukee BSD Users Group
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Sean Malloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:21:11PM -0500, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: >> Sean, >> >> I live close to Lacrosse Wisconsin, I have been looking for a BSD users >> Group. it would appear that the closest one I can find is in Chicago or the >> Twin Cities. >> I would help in any way practical. >> >> Sam Fourman Jr. > > I am going to try and get a mailing list started. I will let you know > when I do. I'm in Madison. We have MadLUG[0], but something BSD-only would be cool, so let me know if you get a mailing list started. Todd [0] http://www.madisonlinux.org/
Re: Got 'em
I received mine this past Saturday, April 12th! I'm in Madison, Wisconsin, US. Perfect timing, too, as I've nearly finished Peter's pf book. My thanks to the whole OpenBSD team. OpenBSD rocks!
Re: 4.3 song and lyrics and commentary
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Twice a year I get to release the song & lyrics, and write a little > commentary on something the project dealt with other the release. > > Hope you guys enjoy. And that I have! I've already downloaded it and listened to it several times. Excellent song! Btw, already that thread was burned into my memory (I was recovering from back surgery when it took place), but now, with this song, the thread and the broader issues covered are archived in a different way for all to remember it by. Good job on the subject selection! I can't wait for my 4.3 CDs to arrive!
Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 07 April 2008 14:00, you wrote: > >"We'll provide you with a secure system, but.. hell, once you get it.. > > it won't be secure anymore, wait another 6 months, it'll be secure > > again. briefly." > > The developers provide a secure system that can be downloaded completely > free of charge. If you want the system to remain updated with regards > to patches, then you have to do the patching yourself. Note that the > patches are also provided freely. What more do you want? Is it > reasonable to expect any more? You're already getting quite a bit... > > The packages/ports might lag a bit from the base system. If you are that > concerned about it, either lend a hand maintaining the packages > important to you, or consider that perhaps OpenBSD is not the OS for > you. You are not OpenBSD's target audience. The developers produce it > for themselves. That you happen to be able to derive value from it > should be considered as the generous gift it is, and treated as such. > If you do not get enough value from it to make it worth using for you, > then go find something else. There are plenty of other operating > systems out there. Well put, Daniel. I wholeheartedly concur.
Re: Verify authenticity of installation files on mirrors?
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Nikns Siankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I did not find a file on the OpenBSD mirrors which contains a digital > >> signature for the 'MD5' files which are placed in the platformspecific > >> directories (e.g.: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.2/i386/). > >> > >> Is there no way to verify the authenticity of the installation files? > > > > >No, there is no way. > > You see how openbsd cares about secure distribution ;] Don't be a moron. OpenBSD is built by the developers, for the developers. Luckily, you can obtain an official copy of each release by CD (and support the project in so doing). That's the way it is. Deal with it! (Or, move on.)
Re: There's something about OpenBSD...
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 06:15:32PM -0500, Nick Bender wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Jussi Peltola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Displaying the name of the file and the matched line nicely like grep -r
> > > does is not elegant with find + grep without using a script or a long
> > > and inelegant alias - or if it is, I'd be interested in how it can be
> > > done in case I need to work on some ancient unix.
> >
> > Never used -r so I'm not sure what the output looks like but how about:
> >
> > find . -type f -exec grep something {} /dev/null \;
>
> Holy crap people, it was just an example. Believe it or not, I know
> alternatives to recursive grep on Solaris.
Don't know why, but through all these posts the last few days, this
one really made me laugh out loud.
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Feb 17, 2008 12:53 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 17, 2008 11:23 PM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me take a stab of responding to this... > > Thanks for responding... > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 05:33:12PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > NOTE: No intention to behave like a troll. > > > > > > I've been following the "multi-threaded ssh/scp" thread and read Ted's > > > comment that he's stopped working on the kernel threads code because > > > he doesn't have the time for it nor does he need it any more. > > > Also that multi-threaded ssh/scp would weaken security features within > > > the OS. > > > > Ted had an itch that rthreads scratched. He worked on it and > > unfortunately for all of us he ran out of time and even more > > unfortunately he ran out of steam. In OpenBSD land that means that > > someone else needs to pick it up. Let me reiterate that this is > > extremely unfortunate but not not unusual. > > > > We, the consumers of Ted's code, can not dictate him what to do and > > when. He is very busy man with wide interests. When you and I get to > > use some of his code, FOR FREE, we should thank him instead of > > complaining. I have had the pleasure of working with Ted on several > > pieces of code and I am thankful for his time. I learnt quite a few > > things along the way. > > Its good to know that Ted did indeed try to scratch an itch of his and > laid down some ground work for future developers to take it beyond its > basic level. > But, it would have been *nicer* if Ted had put in some more of his > time and effort to complete what he started. > Also, we don't get to use his code for FREE, I suppose most of the > users *buy* CD sets. The two sentences above demonstrate that you are clueless and, more importantly, ungrateful. I cannot fathom how you can say these things. > > > It just led me to ponder, what is OpenBSD's ultimate goal? > > > > OpenBSD does not have an ultimate goal; this is obviously silly and has > > proven to be bad throughout history. A good example are labor unions, > > they started out with good intentions and when they reached their > > "ultimate" goal they were no longer relevant and had to be reinvented to > > remain relevant. Obviously this is pure human nature to try to hang on > > to power as long as possible. All this aside that is not how OpenBSD is > > run. > > Point well put, and taken. > > > > OpenBSD is an OS with amazing security and stability, but it has too > > > few modern features. > > > > You are talking about nebulous features that are over hyped and > > under proven. One needs a problem first before fixing it. You are > > putting it the wrong way around by saying "hey I'd like a super duper > > faster tcp/ip stack man!". Why? What problem are you solving? > > The problem that would get solved would be best presented by the > following article http://research.sun.com/minds/2007-0710/ > > > > It would be great if developers also start working on improving the > > > features currently offered by OpenBSD. > > > Else, we would end up becoming the world's most secure OS which is > > > used by just a handful of us faithful users. > > > > And what makes you think we are not? This is such an insult; you are > > telling me what we have done in the past in our sparse free time is not > > worth it. OpenBSD is not after whizbang feature ZOMG. Also you are > > proposing what I should do with my time; how backwards is that? > > Not really, I'm not insulting you or any of the core developers. > What I meant is newer features. > Why is it that our soft-updates based file system can't do background 'fsck'? > > > Speaking only for myself I write the code for my own pleasure. I give > > it away because it makes me happy. I don't owe you anything and > > fortunately you don't owe me anything either. We all benefit from my > > investment. > > True, your investment as well as *ours*. > > > A frequent complaint is that we don't listen to our user base. That is > > utterly false. We listen and we implement what we have time for and > > what makes sense (chances are we have thought through the problem > > domain; ever considered that?). A single person's need is irrelevant in > > the grand scheme of things. If you need something you need to write it > > yourself. > > Agreed, but wouldn't it be better if there was some kind-a list of > features most requested by users who can't/don't code in C? > Then you core people could keep an eye on that list and think through > your problems keeping that detail in mind. This is offensive beyond reason. > > > You might ask what right do I have for this rant, what am I doing for > > > OpenBSD? > > > > Everyone has the right to rant but not everyone gets a vote. > > > > > Well I can't donate code directly as I'm a Java programmer and my C is > > > quite rusty (haven't coded in it in over 7 years). > > > But, yes, I do donate my time and money, i
Re: Test Limerick, please ignore
On Jan 29, 2008 9:20 PM, ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 30/01/2008, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > awesome. just discovered that gmail's spam filter is a fast learner. > > by marking the first test emails spam, i haven't seen the other posts. > > I've always just clicked "Delete" instead. I don't acutally know > Gmail's spam filter algorithm, but I've always avoided marking > anything coming through via misc@ as spam, because I've a strong hunch > that Gmail uses individual users' spam reporting data in future mail > filtering for everybody. I'm afraid that if I were to mark anything > sent to misc@ as spam, then Gmail might eventually stop delivering > misc@ emails to me and everybody else. Maybe I'm overly careful, but > it doesn't hurt much to click "Delete" instead of "Report spam". Same here. I've always figured better safe than sorry. Todd
Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question
On Jan 4, 2008 10:14 PM, L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Todd Alan Smith wrote: > >> When someone asked him how to make a living of IT without using or > >> promoting non-free software, his answer was that you don't have to > >> work in the IT field to contribute to free software, and he'd prefer see > >> a kernel contributor being a taxi driver than administrating Windows > >> workstations (It may not be the very same words, but the intent is the > >> same). > ... > >> So I could be a gardener and contribute to projects I > >> estimate worthy. From a very abstract point of view, that's coherent. > ... > >> And as a gardener, I'm not sure software will > >> be my first source of problems. L, the above quoted text is not mine. You need to be more careful in the configuration of your replies. I, for one, would appreciate it. Todd > A gardener? Replicating vegetables and charging for them is unethical > and antisocial. > Seeds and plants can be replicated at virtually no cost, and it is fun > to do. > > http://z505.com/gng/free-gardening.htm > > And charging for consulting about the gardening.. is being a prostitute. > Why would you want to unethically charge an hourly fee to discuss > gardening? You are holding back something that you should be giving all > your head to, for free. When I speak of freedom, I speak of free sex, > not cost. > > > http://z505.com/gng/
Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question
On Jan 4, 2008 5:47 PM, dermiste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 11:41 PM, Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For some reason, earlier mail on the strawllman-thread did not make it > > to the list. I'm copying parts of some of these mails inline. Note > > that both mails were CC:'ed to misc@ (so they were intended to end up > > on the list. As such, i don't think using them inline here is a > > problem) > > > > > However, I expect you're exaggerating when you say that your situation > > > is that grave. There are many jobs people can do in the Netherlands. > > > If you lost this particular job -- which could happen for many reasons > > > -- the result would most likely just be some discomfort. > > > > I've been working in IT for well over 10 years now. I can promise you > > that, had I denounced non-free software, I would not have been able to > > pay for my food or my rent/mortgage for the past 10 years. > > > > I very much enjoy working with free software. Some of that stuff is > > simply amazing. But it is not of this world to think that more than a > > handful of people can make their living without ever touching non-free > > software in this world. If you're waiting for this to happen : dont > > hold your breath. > > > > Yes, there are many jobs people can do in the Netherlands (and in > > other countries). My point is that most (if not all) IT-jobs require > > the employee to somehow interface with non-free software. In the > > general case, you can not simply refuse to work with non-free software > > and expect to keep your job. > > > > Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd > > In February 2004, Mr Stallman did a keynote at an event held in Paris > called "Solutions Linux" (or stg along theses lines) about free software. > When someone asked him how to make a living of IT without using or > promoting non-free software, his answer was that you don't have to > work in the IT field to contribute to free software, and he'd prefer see > a kernel contributor being a taxi driver than administrating Windows > workstations (It may not be the very same words, but the intent is the > same). > > FOS projects being what they are, they do not require any kind of > qualification to participate, only the final product (code, doc) is taken > in account. So I could be a gardener and contribute to projects I > estimate worthy. From a very abstract point of view, that's coherent. > > But contributing is not an abstract process: a contributor has to run > into a problem to solve it. Personnally, I never managed to solve a > problem I couldn't grasp. And as a gardener, I'm not sure software will > be my first source of problems. Another point is if contributions are > my only contact with software, the range of my perceptions will be > greatly narrowed. You can't expect creativity to come from this > overconstrained setup: solutions often come from the 10.30 coffee > break, when you discuss with your colleagues. > > So, I'm the first one to say we should judge on the results not the look, > but I think it's way harder to write quality code when not in IT. I thought you were leading up to a last clause of, "but I think it's way harder to know which quality code to write, when not in IT." To which I would have answered, "But what about the public bug tracking system? Wouldn't that suffice for highlighting, to a person not employed in IT (but still a hacker), the code that needs to be written?" Todd
Re: Improving disk reliability
On Jan 3, 2008 8:47 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 11:36:31PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: > > * Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-01-03 23:34]: > > > If neither hard drives nor CD/DVDs are a good backup soluton, and > > > networking the backup to another computer's hard drive (which then > > > presumably also has the bitrot problem) isn't an option, and a DLT or > > > whatever tape drive is too expensive: > > > > > > Then what other options are there? > > > > a cheaper/used DLT/tape drive ;) > > > > I do see that used DLT drives on eBay are quite inexpensive. Many would > then have to add an appropriate SCSI card since they're probably not > SATA compatible. > > I thought that there was a trend in the industry away from tapes toward > hard-drive-based systems, e.g. virtual tape libraries that are basically > large file servers with far more capacity than throughput. If bitrot is > a serious concern, perhaps they have a way to monitor the condition of > the drives. That, plus the sheer power of redundancy. Todd
Re: PF Changes in 4.2
On 11/5/07, Peter N. M. Hansteen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are other formats available (I much prefer the chunked html or > pdf myself), and soon (decemberish, before xmas) nostarch.com will > have an improved, inexpensive dead tree and/or pdf version available. Peter, I'm new to both OpenBSD and pf. I've read much on the two already and am very much looking forward to reading your book. By the way, having just now checked, I see that it's available for pre-order[0]! I shall put my order in ASAP. Todd [0] http://nostarch.com/pf.htm
Re: linux kills laptop hard drive... how does obsd behave?
On 10/27/07, Tonnerre LOMBARD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Salut, > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 12:14:49PM -0500, bofh wrote: > > I'm really curious, I've never heard of a HD firmware killing bug in > > linux since 1.3.x. I used to spend a lot of time following linux in > > the 1.2 1.3 kernel times and don't recall hearing about that bug. > > Well, that was when I first noticed it. It is a bit hard to track in the > mess that Linux is, but it still exists in the 2.6 series: a 2.6.20 > kernel Linux'd yet another hard disk of mine a couple of weeks ago. What exactly were the symptoms of your drive being "linux'd"? Also, I'm wondering if this discussion shouldn't be taken off-list, since it's really about Linux, not OpenBSD.
Re: 4.2 song
On 10/8/07, ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 08/10/2007, Craig Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > And there's a few easter eggs hidden in the song as well. > > Okay, I can't bear it any longer. I thought that maybe binary 11 > and 1010101 stood for decimal 33 and 85, and that made me think of > ASCII ! and U. But I just don't get it. Is anybody in a mood to > enlighten me? ASCII ! and U. Merged: !U As in: Not U As in: Not you As in: Not you to us (the seventh to last the line in the song) That's how I've interpreted it.
Re: OpenBSD sticker considered cool by a layman
On 10/2/07, Eke Nordin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/2/07, Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/2/07, Eke Nordin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 10/2/07, Hannah Schroeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 10:29:30PM -0500, Todd Alan Smith wrote: > > > > >On 10/1/07, Anton Karpov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> i have nothing to hide ;) > > > > > > > > >http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565 > > > > > > > > "Cool" link... Information about an article about privacy, and for > > > > downloading it you need javascript and whatever more... (I didn't > manage > > > > to get the full text). > > > > > > Not to mention no download unless registration. > > > > > > Sort of makes the whole excercise rather pointless (if the point > > > wasn't to laugh at gullible people). > > > > Yes, I thought that too, but then I just noticed the download links on > > the left. Here is a direct link to the one I downloaded--no javascript > > needed. Tell me if it works for you: > > > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID998565_code249137.pdf?abstrac > tid=998565&mirid=1 > > It's flaky at best for me. Didn't work at all from the office, worked > once from home. I read the "download difficulties, click here" when > it didn't work at the office. That page states that download requires > registration and login, which apparently isn't exactly the truth. > > Whatever. Thanks for the support and clarifications, the paper seems > (after the most superficial skimming) well worth the effort to read. Now > returning to normal mode of silent, stumped lurking. Indeed, it is well worth the read; downloading it requires neither registration nor the employment of JavaScript. (I, too, had difficulty determining how to download it when I first stumbled upon the page. Poor page design, perhaps. Anyway, I should have clued everybody in when I posted the link.)
Re: OpenBSD sticker considered cool by a layman
On 10/1/07, Anton Karpov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i have nothing to hide ;) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux
On 9/24/07, Tony Abernethy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Burroughs Computers essentially went out of business because their > computers refused to do illegal operations This is ironic considering that Burroughs Corp was founded by William S. Burroughs' grandfather ;-)
Re: lock(1) to lock all virtual terminals?
On 9/24/07, Darren Spruell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/23/07, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/23/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 05:23:37PM -0600, Chris Kuethe wrote: > > > > On 9/23/07, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Does "lock -nv" not work? I just read about this in "BSD Hacks" last > > > > > night, oddly enough. > > > > > > > > # lock -nv > > > > lock: unknown option -- v > > > > usage: lock [-np] [-a style] [-t timeout] > > > > > > > > -np will at least lock the terminal with your password and no > > > > timeout > > > > > > > > > > Right, but I want it to prevent me from changing to another virtual > > > terminal. > > > > Referring back to the "BSD Hacks" book (page 22) by Dru Lavigne, I see > > now that the lock command to which she refers comes with FreeBSD, > > although she states that it's available for NetBSD and OpenBSD. > > > > I'm an OpenBSD newbie, so I'd enjoy learning why a different version > > of lock is employed in OpenBSD. If anyone in the know wants to > > elaborate, that'd be great. > > It's not necessarily a different version; all BSDs document in the > lock(1) manual page that the implementation came from the 3.0BSD > release. Indeed, all of them implement similar options with slight > variance in the additional command line switches: > > FreeBSD adds a -v option to prevent switching virtual terminals during > a lock. It notes that only syscons(4) terminals are supported here. > (Note it's not saying that all other terminals are locked, just that > you can't switch to them. So under OpenBSD you might workaround for > similar behavior by logging into a single terminal session and running > screen(1) or similar to load others, then locking one in essence locks > them all.) > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=lock&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.2-RELEASE&format=html > > OpenBSD doesn't support -v, but it doesn't use syscons either so > that's not really a consideration. But it does add a -a option to > extend authentication using the BSD auth subsystem, giving you > additional flexibility. > > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=lock&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html > > NetBSD is the least featureful of the implementations as it has > neither a -v nor a -a option. > > http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?lock++NetBSD-3.0 > > DS Darren, thanks for expounding on the subject. Funny, I just read about screen(1) on merdely's blog last night. http://erdelynet.com/tech/openbsd/my-gnu-screen-config/
Re: lock(1) to lock all virtual terminals?
On 9/23/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 05:23:37PM -0600, Chris Kuethe wrote: > > On 9/23/07, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does "lock -nv" not work? I just read about this in "BSD Hacks" last > > > night, oddly enough. > > > > # lock -nv > > lock: unknown option -- v > > usage: lock [-np] [-a style] [-t timeout] > > > > -np will at least lock the terminal with your password and no timeout > > > > Right, but I want it to prevent me from changing to another virtual > terminal. Referring back to the "BSD Hacks" book (page 22) by Dru Lavigne, I see now that the lock command to which she refers comes with FreeBSD, although she states that it's available for NetBSD and OpenBSD. I'm an OpenBSD newbie, so I'd enjoy learning why a different version of lock is employed in OpenBSD. If anyone in the know wants to elaborate, that'd be great.
Re: lock(1) to lock all virtual terminals?
On 9/22/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 06:08:53PM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > I don't use X much and instead use lots of Virtual Terminals. > > > > > > Since I'm on dialup, sometimes I need to leave multiple VTs open to do > > > things, perhaps downloading something, or its just that I'm in the > > > middle of things. > > > > > > How can I lock the whole virtual termial setup? lock(1) only lets me > > > lock the one VT without blocking the ability to switch to others. On > > > Debian, there's vlock -a that does this. I don't see anything similar > > > in the available packages for OBSD. > > > > > > I can't read code so I don't know how lock(1) works internally. To get > > > it to lock everything, I guess it would have to capture the Alt-Fn key > > > combo. However, the OS (wscons(4)?) likely captures that before the > > > keys get passed on to the application. So I'm sorry, I can't provide a > > > patch. > > > > Switch to GNU screen? You get the locking you desire, and lots of other > > neat stuff thrown in for free. > > > > I do believe lock(1) doesn't really work in this case; I don't know if > > it could be made to work, but since I always use screen I don't really > > care. > > I tried Screen on Debian briefly. I'm not good at remembering magic > keystrokes. If necessary, I'll try again. However, since I'm trying to > get used to the OBSD way of doing things, and since this seemed like a > security issue, I wanted to see how to solve this using what is in OBSD > base. Does "lock -nv" not work? I just read about this in "BSD Hacks" last night, oddly enough. -Todd
Re: Show your appreciation and get your 4.2 DVD
On 9/6/07, Daniel Ouellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > The order is up and I just ordered my DVD. You do mean 3 CDs in a DVD case, right? (Not an actual DVD release.) At least, that's all I could find. > Now go do the same and show your appreciation for the project specially > for the new feature that allow us to get the 4.2 release ahead of the > release, so make sure to show your appreciation for this in doing early > order. And that's just what I did! Thanks for the heads up, Daniel! Todd
Re: OpenBSD on ThinkPad
On 6/14/07, Pieter Verberne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi there, I want to buy a new laptop and want to run OpenBSD on it. So I think my best choice is to buy a laptop without Intel wifi chipset and -with- Intel Graphics Media Accelerator. (GMA is supported well according to the FSF.) But the number of laptops with this combination is very limited! What are your experience or tips on buying a (new*) ThinkPad for OpenBSD. *I'm thinking of a R60 or T60. I have no interest in widescreen. Pieter Verberne Pieter, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed previously (and recently) on this list. You might search the archives: http://openbsd.org/mail.html#Archives -Todd
Re: A question about OpenBSD
On 6/12/07, John Tate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am downloading OpenBSD 4.2, I know how to use everything in that but being young I am not too sure about the checksum format, md5 tends to rule the world these days. What is it called exactly? I'm stuck with a Windows box at the moment, otherwise some thought and pressing tab a couple of times would probably help me :p. I probably just need to RTFM and I can make sure these FTP transfers actually went down alright (I'm guessing they did but my router is a D-Link turd that crashes and reboots itself sometimes). If any files have failed ill just have to download them again. John, you might want to consider purchasing the official OpenBSD 4.1 CD set. In your case, it may save you a lot of time and trouble with your downloading problems. Plus, you'll get cool stickers and printed installation instructions. Last, but not least, you'll be supporting the project! http://openbsd.org/items.html -Todd
Re: Quad ethernet card
On 6/5/07, Claudio Jeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 06:10:08PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Robert Franklin wrote: > > > Why not a qfe card from Sun? I've used a quad port Sun PCI card for at > > least a few years in both me Sun AXI servers, and currently I have one > > installed in a dell 1550 that works just fine. You can find the Sun > > quad cards for really cheap off of ebay. I think I picked mine up for > > around $40 USD. > > > Two problems with that: > > > qfe is REALLY old > > qfe is for Sparc, .. might not work on Intel (like the Dell) > > Might be worth trying, but don't count on it working. > I think Robert Franklin was talking about quad hme(4) based PCI cards. Those cards are Fast-Ethernet only and so a quad em(4) will outperform them easily. Even some of the rare quad fxp(4) may be better but I would prefer them over the quad sis(4) ones sold by soekris. What's the problem with the Soekris quad cards? You have me worried, as I just bought two of them. (I haven't employed them yet.) Todd
Re: OpenBSD 4.1: pf is not blocking anything
On 5/21/07, Marcos Laufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
I am testing pf in an OpenBSD 4.1. This same configuration works fine on
OpenBSD 3.9, but in 4.1 it is not filtering anything, everything is passing
thru,
just like as if there was no 'block all'. What worries me most is that
anyone
on the outside can see my ssh service .
Is there anything wrong with the state of my rules? If i didn't
misunderstand ,
this rules should work just fine
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Marcos
---
#
set skip on lo
scrub in
icmp_nets="{ 10.10.10.0/24 }"
block all
# good guys
table persist
pass in quick on egress from to any keep state
# blackhole
table persist
block in quick log on egress from to any
# no ipv6
block in quick inet6 all
##
# outgoing
# dns
pass out on egress proto { tcp, udp } from (self)/32 to any port domain
flags S/SA keep state
Marcos, 'keep state' and 'flags S/SA' are now default settings. Did
you read about what's new in 4.1[0], as well as the updated FAQ[1],
before upgrading your firewall?
-Todd
[0] http://openbsd.org/41.html#new
[1] http://openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html
Re: OT: unix/openbsd printer support
On 5/15/07, Frank Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Moin, John Nietzsche has spoken, thus: > I wonder if some here has already deployed such in openbsd environment > and knows the site i am talking about. I think http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting is what you are looking for. ...which used to be linuxprinting.org, John. Perhaps that's the site that you had previously bookmarked. -Todd
Re: The OpenBSD Command-Line Companion Book delayed (or MIA?)
On 4/25/07, Austin Hook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shipments of the OpenBSD Command-Line Companion Book have been delayed and ETA is unknown at this time. According to the author's blog: http://devguide.net there was a problem with the UPS shipment, but we are unable to contact Jacek Artymiak directly, and we have no tracking number for the shipment. This book was to have been printed in the USA and shipped to the Belgian and Sweet Grass, MT, USA depots in early April. We know from past events that Jacek is subject to a certain chronic illness that can sometimes suddenly put him in the hospital for a few months at a time. If such is the case, we wish him all the best. For the mean time we have removed the book from the order pages, and will ship existing orders without the book, showing it as a backorder. If anyone knows which US printer Jacek had the books made at we would try to trace them from that end. Let us know. OpenBSD Distribution Milk River, Alberta, Canada Thanks for the update, Austin. I was just wondering about this last night. I placed my order for the book on the same day that I placed my pre-order for OpenBSD 4.1 (two separate orders). Since I hadn't yet received the book, I just figured that it wasn't printed yet. Jacek writes great books. I can wait a while longer for this one, if need be. I have plenty other material to read in the meantime. If Jacek is ill, I wish him a speedy recovery. If he's not ill, I hope he doesn't get a migraine from the shipping problems. -Todd
Re: CARP
On 4/25/07, Tang Tse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I'm playing around with carp and routers. My scenario is the next: One ISP address ( for exemple: 10.2.2.1 ) Two openbsd 4.0 machines with 3 NICs Lan switch On LAN side, i set one NIC on every machine with private ip: Machine#1: 192.168.0.20 Machine#2: 192.168.0.21 And they share a virtual address: 192.168.0.30 The carp nics between both machines with 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 And my question is for ISP side: I got only one IP address, 10.2.2.1, how do share it? I mean, i can't set up other 2 new IPs like 10.2.2.2 and .3.. any suggestion? Tang, this is covered in the FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html The section titled 'Combining CARP and pfsync For Failover' addresses your question. -Todd
Re: 4.1 packages on the ftp sites
On 4/23/07, frantisek holop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hmm, on Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 04:27:21PM -0600, Theo de Raadt said that > > today my openbsd package arived (thanks wim) and i know that > > it's not released yet, but i was wondering if it was possible > > to make the packages available on the ftp servers. the base > > system is not there yet, so obviously only people who have > > pre-ordered would have a use for it. > > No, sorry, we won't make them available yet. i can't think of any serious reason, could you help out a bit? getting dangerously close to whining, i really think you are punishing pre-orderers here. the faq says prefer binary packages. i'd really like to. I honestly don't understand your logic. We pre-ordered, yes, but we should have no expectation to even receive the CDs prior to the release date, let alone bug fixes and packages. We've simply been allowed to order prior to the release date. Anything beyond that is a bonus, and one for which we should be grateful. Let's not ruin a really cool thing by being greedy and ungrateful.
Re: bcw(4) is gone
On 4/11/07, Shawn K. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 22:34 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > GPL advocates claim their license prevents commercial entities from > stealing their freedom. These are the same people who have no > problem giving up their freedoms (in the form of NDA's, closed-source > kernel modules, etc) to the companies they're trying to fight. True free software movement supporters will not sign an agreement not to help their neighbor such as an NDA. Some in the open source movement have no trouble accepting a binary only driver, or specifications under NDA, or what have you, for convenience. That's what open source is about: convenience, not freedom for its own sake. This is exactly why it is important to make a distinction between the free software movement and the open source movement and not lump the two together. Exactly. And it's a distinction that must be made again and again and again.
Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?
On 3/25/07, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just looking for a recommendation on a good/cheap (but not necessarily fast) microatx motherboard. Or possibly, one of those via motherboards, but needs to fit in an atx case. Thanx in advance. I recently built two Windows machines for a client using the BIOSTAR TForce 6100: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027 I've been quite happy with the machines thus far. However, beware that the chipsets are all NVIDIA.
Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award
On 3/22/07, Bob Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: from a vegetarian at that. The fallacy that is this clause undermines your broader argument. Promise yourself not to spread such falsity again, and you will be well served. -Todd
Re: OpenBSD 4.1 Pre-Orders...
On 3/13/07, Marcos Laufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to get the 4.1 preorder and a Tshirt, but i cant find how to pay with paypal. Is this possible? http://openbsd.org/orders.html#cshop
Re: playing flash videos
On 9/19/06, riwanlky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: After looking for a while for multimedia firefox plugins, I am glad to hear that there is flash plugins (well, after trying to compile, without any luck to get vlc plugin for mozilla from ports) from redhat emulation. However I tried to compile the opera-plugins, however I could not get flash-7.0r61.tar.gz from http://mirrors.protection.cx/~jolan and elsewhere. Would appreciate if anyone can share the clue. I will like to try Gnash, however I am very new, and what is CVS? http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concurrent_Versions_System -Todd Thanks and best regards, Riwan At 06:19 AM 9/19/2006 +, Deanna Phillips wrote: >Jacob Yocom-Piatt writes: > > > oops, it's 13.11 in the FAQ. sorry for tha noise > >Don't do that. :) > >There are other options besides what's in the FAQ. > >,[ from an undeadly comment ] >| There are free options for playing Flash on OpenBSD. >| >| Check out Gnash (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash). The Firefox >| plugin from CVS works with OpenBSD's Firefox port; I haven't >| tried the kde one. Gnash is under heavy development, and can't >| yet play flv, but for that you can use multimedia/xine-ui or >| x11/mplayer. >| >| The two standalones can be combined with Firefox extensions such >| as VideoDownloader, which extracts the links from places like >| youtube and google video, and allows you to download the files >| somewhat painlessly. >` > >Gnash CVS was stable on OpenBSD as of yesterday, if you want to >try that, or you could wait a few weeks for the next alpha >release. > > >Current Gnash CVS just needs one small patch : > >http://deanna.freeshell.org/patch-plugin_Makefile_am
Re: Subscription Model for OpenBSD CDs
On 8/28/06, Kenny Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: stan wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 02:57:00PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 03:53:55PM -0500, Todd Alan Smith wrote: >> >>> On 8/26/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>>> Has the OpenBSD project ever considered offering a subscription to the >>>>> OpenBSD CDs. >>>>> >>>> Yes we have considered it, and no, we won't be doing it. >>>> >>> Understood. You consider it to be too risky. >>> >>> >>>> And you could have googled before you became the 50th person to ask >>>> the same question. >>>> >>> Also understood. In fact, Martin made this point quite succinctly. >>> I've since picked myself up, dusted off, and vowed not to make the >>> same mistake again. >>> >> I'm considering doing this on my own, unofficially. I'd be ordering and >> remailing official CDs, of course. And being in the US, I'd only be able >> to ship within the US. If I got in early on the pre-orders, which I've >> been doing anyway, I could get them back out in a timely fashion. >> >> Also, does anyone know if the existing BSD subscription places are using >> official CDs? If so, I'd only be duplicating effort. >> >> Is there much interest in this? >> >> > Back when Walnut Creek was doing the FreeBSD CD's, I had a subscrition > to those. Even though I always downloaded, I continued this, as I assumed > the money went to the project. > > I'd strongly consider doing this for OpenBSD, if it was possible to > do. > > If you prefer to download but would like to contribute to the project then consider using the recurring donations (goes through PayPal). More info at http://openbsd.org/donations.html Yes, Joachim already pointed out the recurring donation option earlier in this thread. Furthermore, I already knew about that option before my original post. However, my original post wasn't a request for the ability to donate (and donate only) on a recurring basis. Anyway, we really should retire this thread. It doesn't belong here in the first place, as I belatedly discovered. Todd
Re: Subscription Model for OpenBSD CDs
On 8/26/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has the OpenBSD project ever considered offering a subscription to the > OpenBSD CDs. Yes we have considered it, and no, we won't be doing it. Understood. You consider it to be too risky. And you could have googled before you became the 50th person to ask the same question. Also understood. In fact, Martin made this point quite succinctly. I've since picked myself up, dusted off, and vowed not to make the same mistake again. Todd
Re: Subscription Model for OpenBSD CDs
On 8/27/06, Martin Schrvder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: STFA Found it. Thanks. Todd Best Martin
Subscription Model for OpenBSD CDs
Hello misc, Has the OpenBSD project ever considered offering a subscription to the OpenBSD CDs. I'm thinking of something similar to that[0] offered by the Slackware Linux Project. I like the idea of knowing that the newest release will be mailed to me as soon as it is available, and I really like the idea of supporting the OpenBSD project in this manner. Even better yet (if I am allowed to dream for a second) would be the ability to donate to the project on a regular basis (monthly, let's say) and know that part of my monthly donation guarantees the shipping of the newest OpenBSD release to me as soon as it becomes available. Of course, using this subscription model, one would have to have contributed a sum (since the last release) of at least the cost of the current CD release (plus shipping), in order to expect shipment of the current/new release. That said, perhaps an annual subscription model would make more sense. Anyway, has something like this ever been considered by the project? Thanks. Todd [0] http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/subscriptions.html?id=6TF6oxZN:mv_pc=18
Re: restarting DHCP not described in manpages
On 7/9/06, Matthew R. Dempsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 08:31:23PM +0159, Han Boetes wrote: > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > I read man dhcp and man dhclient and wasn't able to determine > > how to restart the DHCP process (or the whole network) if my > > cable modem with DHCP server crashes and I have to reboot it. I > > suggest this information to be added, but I don't know where it > > belongs. > > Default behaviour for _any_ daemon is the restart on the HUP > signal; ie: > >$ sudo pkill -HUP dhcpd The OP seems interested in restarting dhclient too, but SIGHUP kills dhclient. Actually, the way I read the original post, the OP is already restarting the DHCP server when he/she power cycles the "cable modem with DHCP server". Thus, he/she just wants to restart the DHCP client. Is there not an equivalent to the Linux "ifdown eth0", followed by an "ifup eth0" to obtain another lease and IP address? -Todd
