Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
I was just thinking today about how cool it would be to have an OpenBSD phone, and then I saw your post. How bizarre. Anyway, the closest thing I have found to a "pocket computer phone" is the android line of phones. I've had an original Droid, and now I have a Droid Incredible, and I absolutely love them. They have multitasking, ssh (ConnectBot), email, full web browsers, and my favorite feature: the ability to connect to a bluetooth keyboard. Sometimes I forget I'm using a phone at all. I don't see many comparable "open" phones coming any time soon, so in the meantime, this is the best I've found out there. Good luck on your phone search. On Nov 17, 2010 3:02 AM, "Jan Stary" wrote: > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented > wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed > to install obsd on some of these newer phones? > > I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically > a modified linux; does anyone know about a varinat that would > have an OS based on BSD? > > Thanks > > Jan
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On 17/11/10 12:59, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Jan Stary wrote: > >> My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, >> most probably with one of these newer smartphones. >> >> Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: >> a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented > The most open smartphone I'm aware of is the Nokia N900. > >> wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed >> to install obsd on some of these newer phones? > No. Also, compare the user interface and applications useful on a > phone with what's available for OpenBSD. > >> I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically >> a modified linux; > Android and Maemo are Linux-based. Symbian, iOS, Bada, Blackberry > and Windows Mobile are not. > >> does anyone know about a varinat that would have an OS based on BSD? > Apple's iOS is the most BSD-ish. But that is utterly closed, and > the iPhone is dongled to the proprietary iTunes program (Mac OS, > MS Windows). > Nokia N900 is actually the most open smartphone there is. Some andriod-based phones are open, on others, there's no chance of installing another OS. I've heard of a couple of linux distros running on N900, and you can actually dual-boot on it, which would be nice __while__ you're trying to get openbsd running (assuming it doesn't work out of the box, which I don't expect it to). -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On 11/21/2010 3:55 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Oh my god, yes, virtual machines are so safe. Huh? I was replying to Marco's statement that >>> [Android] is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read >>> your email, credit card numbers, etc etc. Which seemed to imply that Android has built-in backdoor access for Google, and by proxy the U.S. government. I'm not claiming that Android is free of security defects (let alone because of the Dalvik VM) -- just that, at least as far as the core open-source operating system goes, it doesn't have any intentional backdoors. Or am I misunderstanding you here? -- Mark Shroyer http://markshroyer.com/contact/
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Android and Maemo are Linux-based. B Symbian, iOS, Bada, Blackberry > and Windows Mobile are not. Bada is typically linux-based, while Bada implementation inSamsung Wave S8500 isn't. Actually it contains code from BSD flavour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_(operating_system)#Architecture). -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
> > It is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read your email, > > credit card numbers, etc etc. > > > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:43:46PM +0100, Tomas Vavrys wrote: > >> The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I > >> have to say I like it a lot. But it is definitely not open as > >> possible. > > If you really think this is a concern you can just run a ROM of the > open-source Android operating system (such as Cyanogen) without the > proprietary Google applications on top, and then you have nothing to > worry about. Oh my god, yes, virtual machines are so safe.
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On 11/17/2010 7:28 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: > It is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read your email, > credit card numbers, etc etc. > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:43:46PM +0100, Tomas Vavrys wrote: >> The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I >> have to say I like it a lot. But it is definitely not open as >> possible. If you really think this is a concern you can just run a ROM of the open-source Android operating system (such as Cyanogen) without the proprietary Google applications on top, and then you have nothing to worry about. -- Mark Shroyer http://markshroyer.com/contact/
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
hmm, on Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:51:00PM -0600, Marko Kraljevic said that > The most open phone I'm aware of is Nokia N900. It runs Maemo, and can http://wiki.geeksphone.com/en/index.php?title=Main_Page -f -- go and catch a falling star...
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
You're looking at this from a programmer's perspective and not from a business one. let's look at the basic Unix-like/descended systems: All were developed because each founder- or founders- saw a niche, necessity, or challenge. Nokia, Google, and Apple are business entities whose purpose is to create revenue by selling products or services. You're going to wait until 15,000 or more people demand/ask for pf on a smart phone? Neither the mainframe nor the desktop nor the cell phone were created because the public wanted them. Look at advertising and how it works. 1) Create a need for a product by using two or more of the appeals. Culture, society, ethnicity, family, etc. 2) PR is important. If you're a programmer and you want the product out: 1) I'm not sure how ARM is but I do know that the company designs chips. 2) You'll have to build the system and take gtk and qt sources to build on it. What won't sell to the public is the conversations on the mailing lists or between programmers. What will sell are key points such as: 1) It is two to four times faster than other smartphones and uses half of the memory. People like it when extra shit runs smooth on their tablets and phones. 2) It can be used as a router for other devices and still work as a phone. "What? I can make a call, browse the web, and still hook up my netbook?" 3) The system is stable. Your personal information remains as such. 4) And for the hackers... You can do what you want with it. The programmers are for support, development, and design. Yes, I am a business major. I have experience in selling futures. I am certified in management. You can see this as a business opportunity and a challenge or you can continue as before. Those of you who do have a working understanding of the basic business model will have no trouble following this post.
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
It is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read your email, credit card numbers, etc etc. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:43:46PM +0100, Tomas Vavrys wrote: > The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I > have to say I like it a lot. But it is definitely not open as > possible. > > 2010/11/17 patric conant : > > Yes, and we won't be supporting any obsolete platforms around here. > > > > On Nov 17, 2010 8:34 AM, "Francesco Vollero" wrote: > > > > Il 17/11/10 15.17, Ted Unangst ha scritto: > > > > > >> > >> Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously > >> obsolete. > > I Agree. It's really really obsolete. > > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Sergey Bronnikov > > B wrote: > >>> > >>> may be http:...
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On 18/11/2010, at 10:15 AM, Martin Schrvder wrote: 2010/11/17 Ted Unangst : Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously obsolete. And the supplier in question is known to hate Theo and OpenBSD. Best Martin ... And is a fraudster and a criminal paulm
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
Il 17/11/10 23.51, Marko Kraljevic ha scritto:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Jan Stary wrote:
[snap]
The most open phone I'm aware of is Nokia N900. It runs Maemo, and can
run full blown Debian, AFAIK. Never heard of anyone running OpenBSD on
one, but perhaps it is possible? I'm assuming it would take some
hacking, though.
As far i know, there's just one phone with something like bsd, it's
iphone. Yeah, sucks.
At the end, if someone run netbsd on a toaster with ARM9 this mean that
openbsd can be ported too, but the main problem is:
Who give all the specifies for the components? We dont want to agree to
some strange NDA just to have a {open|net|whatelse}bsd phone.
Another question is: The developer community it's enough big to support
it too??
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
Il 18/11/10 00.53, m brandenberg ha scritto: On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Jona Joachim wrote: The hardware is slow and buggy and the OpenBSD Moko port is dead. Just don't buy it ;) That said, I have a Neo 1973 available for a deal if anyone wants to play... Dont even try to donate to the community :)
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Jona Joachim wrote: The hardware is slow and buggy and the OpenBSD Moko port is dead. Just don't buy it ;) That said, I have a Neo 1973 available for a deal if anyone wants to play... -- Monty Brandenberg
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:51:00 -0600 Marko Kraljevic wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Jan Stary wrote: > > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > > a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented > > wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed > > to install obsd on some of these newer phones? > > > > I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically > > a modified linux; does anyone know about a varinat that would > > have an OS based on BSD? > > > >Thanks > > > >Jan > > > > > > > The most open phone I'm aware of is Nokia N900. It runs Maemo, and can > run full blown Debian, AFAIK. Never heard of anyone running OpenBSD on > one, but perhaps it is possible? I'm assuming it would take some > hacking, though. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 > > I'd like to play with one at some point, but I'm a little too broke > for that at the moment. > So offtopic, but i'll bite. Yes, N900 is the only phone i'd consider atm. If i'd have to buy a linux phone (no alternative) it'd be a N900 and put Meego on it. Android is just too restrictive. The HTC 7 Pro hw looks nice, but without any docu or source ... Me personally will stick with my 6820 until i can test the first real Meego querty slider. (Now if there were 15k+ ppl preordering a phone with openbsd+pf there might be a chance to get something "good".)
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
2010/11/17 Jona Joachim : > On 2010-11-17, Martin Schr?der wrote: >> And the supplier in question is known to hate Theo and OpenBSD. > > Obvious troll is obvious. Ask Theo about Mr. Vandeputte. :-) Oh, and if you believe http://accounting.kd85.com/ , read the list archives. Best Martin
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Jan Stary wrote: > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented > wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed > to install obsd on some of these newer phones? > > I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically > a modified linux; does anyone know about a varinat that would > have an OS based on BSD? > >Thanks > >Jan > > The most open phone I'm aware of is Nokia N900. It runs Maemo, and can run full blown Debian, AFAIK. Never heard of anyone running OpenBSD on one, but perhaps it is possible? I'm assuming it would take some hacking, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 I'd like to play with one at some point, but I'm a little too broke for that at the moment.
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On 2010-11-17, Martin Schr?der wrote: > 2010/11/17 Ted Unangst : >> Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously >> obsolete. > > And the supplier in question is known to hate Theo and OpenBSD. Obvious troll is obvious. -- Worse is better Richard P. Gabriel
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
On 2010-11-17, Ted Unangst wrote: > Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously > obsolete. On top of that graphics and wifi documentation is only available under NDA and the reverse engineered Linux drivers are broken. The hardware is slow and buggy and the OpenBSD Moko port is dead. Just don't buy it ;) Best regards, Jona -- Worse is better Richard P. Gabriel
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
2010/11/17 Ted Unangst : > Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously > obsolete. And the supplier in question is known to hate Theo and OpenBSD. Best Martin
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
Jan Stary wrote: > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented The most open smartphone I'm aware of is the Nokia N900. > wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed > to install obsd on some of these newer phones? No. Also, compare the user interface and applications useful on a phone with what's available for OpenBSD. > I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically > a modified linux; Android and Maemo are Linux-based. Symbian, iOS, Bada, Blackberry and Windows Mobile are not. > does anyone know about a varinat that would have an OS based on BSD? Apple's iOS is the most BSD-ish. But that is utterly closed, and the iPhone is dongled to the proprietary iTunes program (Mac OS, MS Windows). -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I have to say I like it a lot. But it is definitely not open as possible. 2010/11/17 patric conant : > Yes, and we won't be supporting any obsolete platforms around here. > > On Nov 17, 2010 8:34 AM, "Francesco Vollero" wrote: > > Il 17/11/10 15.17, Ted Unangst ha scritto: > > >> >> Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously >> obsolete. > I Agree. It's really really obsolete. > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Sergey Bronnikov > B wrote: >>> >>> may be http:...
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
Yes, and we won't be supporting any obsolete platforms around here. On Nov 17, 2010 8:34 AM, "Francesco Vollero" wrote: Il 17/11/10 15.17, Ted Unangst ha scritto: > > Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously > obsolete. I Agree. It's really really obsolete. > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Sergey Bronnikov wrote: >> >> may be http:...
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
Il 17/11/10 15.17, Ted Unangst ha scritto: Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously obsolete. I Agree. It's really really obsolete. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Sergey Bronnikov wrote: may be http://openmoko.kd85.com/ ? On 09:00 Wed 17 Nov , Jan Stary wrote: My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, most probably with one of these newer smartphones. Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed to install obsd on some of these newer phones? I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically a modified linux; does anyone know about a varinat that would have an OS based on BSD? Thanks Jan -- sergeyb@
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously obsolete. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Sergey Bronnikov wrote: > may be http://openmoko.kd85.com/ ? > > On 09:00 Wed 17 Nov , Jan Stary wrote: >> My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, >> most probably with one of these newer smartphones. >> >> Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: >> a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented >> wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed >> to install obsd on some of these newer phones? >> >> I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically >> a modified linux; does anyone know about a varinat that would >> have an OS based on BSD? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jan >> > > -- > sergeyb@
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
may be http://openmoko.kd85.com/ ? On 09:00 Wed 17 Nov , Jan Stary wrote: > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented > wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed > to install obsd on some of these newer phones? > > I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically > a modified linux; does anyone know about a varinat that would > have an OS based on BSD? > > Thanks > > Jan > -- sergeyb@
Re: An OpenBSD smartphone
Use duct tape and wire it with a netbook with internal GSM module around your head and install vanilla OpenBSD... works perfectly Don't use that new thing called 3g, umts,cdma or anything else. It's alien technology Den 2010 11 17 09:05 skrev "Jan Stary" :
An OpenBSD smartphone
My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, most probably with one of these newer smartphones. Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed to install obsd on some of these newer phones? I understand that most of these have an OS that is basically a modified linux; does anyone know about a varinat that would have an OS based on BSD? Thanks Jan
