Re: Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?

2024-03-26 Thread Anders Andersson
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 1:07 AM Jose Maldonado  wrote:
>
> El Mon, 25 Mar 2024 04:39:15 -0400
> Steve Litt  escribió:
> > Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?
> >
> > https://www.walmart.com/ip/MeLE-Quieter3Q-Fanless-Mini-PC-N5105-Windows-11-8GB-256GB-4K-UHD-Wifi-6-Mini-Desktop-Computer-New/2177929669
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
> >
> > Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
> >
>
> Hi! Why not this?
>
> https://www.pcliquidations.com/p150914-hp-elitedesk-705-g4
>
> Better hardware and OpenBSD support

Why not a full desktop PC? How are these even comparable? Your
suggestion is more than 5 times as large and heavy, and it even has a
fan.



Re: Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?

2024-03-25 Thread Jose Maldonado
El Mon, 25 Mar 2024 04:39:15 -0400
Steve Litt  escribió:
> Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?
> 
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/MeLE-Quieter3Q-Fanless-Mini-PC-N5105-Windows-11-8GB-256GB-4K-UHD-Wifi-6-Mini-Desktop-Computer-New/2177929669
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt 
> 
> Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
> 

Hi! Why not this?

https://www.pcliquidations.com/p150914-hp-elitedesk-705-g4

Better hardware and OpenBSD support 

-- 
*
Dios en su cielo, todo bien en la Tierra



Re: Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?

2024-03-25 Thread Mike Larkin
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 04:39:15AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/MeLE-Quieter3Q-Fanless-Mini-PC-N5105-Windows-11-8GB-256GB-4K-UHD-Wifi-6-Mini-Desktop-Computer-New/2177929669
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
>
> Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
>

We've seen some of those cheap "router PCs" with bad broken BIOS. There were
a few all using the same common motherboard that had stuck GPEs a few years
ago. Since most of these machines don't have a manufacturer website for
BIOS updates, tracking down an updated BIOS without risking bricking the machine
is sorta a pain.

You get what you pay for.

-ml



Re: Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?

2024-03-25 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 11:41 AM Steve Litt 
wrote:

> Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?
>
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/MeLE-Quieter3Q-Fanless-Mini-PC-N5105-Windows-11-8GB-256GB-4K-UHD-Wifi-6-Mini-Desktop-Computer-New/2177929669
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt


I guess it should. I have one variant of these
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B7764P39/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
being used by my client as a "mail server", but it's running Windows.
I have installed an OpenBSD VM on it and here is the output of dmesg:

```
OpenBSD 7.4 (GENERIC.MP) #1397: Tue Oct 10 09:02:37 MDT 2023
dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 2129526784 (2030MB)
avail mem = 2045325312 (1950MB)
random: good seed from bootblocks
mpath0 at root
scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0xe0010 (248 entries)
bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies LTD version "6.00" date 11/12/2020
bios0: VMware, Inc. VMware Virtual Platform
acpi0 at bios0: ACPI 4.0
acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP BOOT APIC MCFG SRAT HPET WAET
acpi0: wakeup devices PCI0(S3) USB_(S1) P2P0(S3) S1F0(S3) S2F0(S3) S8F0(S3)
S16F(S3) S17F(S3) S18F(S3) S22F(S3) S23F(S3) S24F(S3) S25F(S3) PE40(S3)
S1F0(S3) PE50(S3) [...]
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) N5105 @ 2.00GHz, 1997.42 MHz, 06-9c-00
cpu0:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,SSE3,PCLMUL,SSSE3,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,HV,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SMEP,ERMS,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,CLWB,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,ARAT,RSBA,IF_PSCHANGE,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN
cpu0: 32KB 64b/line 8-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 1MB
64b/line 12-way L2 cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L3 cache
cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0
mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 8 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges
cpu0: apic clock running at 66MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Celeron(R) N5105 @ 2.00GHz, 1997.81 MHz, 06-9c-00
cpu1:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,SSE3,PCLMUL,SSSE3,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,HV,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SMEP,ERMS,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,CLWB,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,ARAT,RSBA,IF_PSCHANGE,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN
cpu1: 32KB 64b/line 8-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 1MB
64b/line 12-way L2 cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L3 cache
cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0
cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor)
cpu2: Intel(R) Celeron(R) N5105 @ 2.00GHz, 1997.76 MHz, 06-9c-00
cpu2:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,SSE3,PCLMUL,SSSE3,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,HV,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SMEP,ERMS,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,CLWB,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,ARAT,RSBA,IF_PSCHANGE,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN
cpu2: 32KB 64b/line 8-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 1MB
64b/line 12-way L2 cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L3 cache
cpu2: smt 0, core 0, package 1
cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor)
cpu3: Intel(R) Celeron(R) N5105 @ 2.00GHz, 1997.62 MHz, 06-9c-00
cpu3:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,SSE3,PCLMUL,SSSE3,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,HV,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SMEP,ERMS,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,CLWB,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,ARAT,RSBA,IF_PSCHANGE,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN
cpu3: 32KB 64b/line 8-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 1MB
64b/line 12-way L2 cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L3 cache
cpu3: smt 0, core 1, package 1
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
acpimcfg0 at acpi0
acpimcfg0: addr 0xf000, bus 0-127
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpipci0 at acpi0 PCI0: 0x 0x0011 0x0001
acpicmos0 at acpi0
"PNP0A05" at acpi0 not configured
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!)
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!)
acpicpu2 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!)
acpicpu3 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!)
cpu0: using VERW MDS workaround (except on vmm entry)
pvbus0 at mainbus0: VMware
vmt0 at pvbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel 82443BX AGP" rev 0x01
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "Intel 82443BX AGP" rev 0x01
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 fu

Re: Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?

2024-03-25 Thread Dave Voutila


Steve Litt  writes:

> Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/MeLE-Quieter3Q-Fanless-Mini-PC-N5105-Windows-11-8GB-256GB-4K-UHD-Wifi-6-Mini-Desktop-Computer-New/2177929669

Maybe... Looking at:

https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/03/mele-quieter3q-review-ultra-thin-fanless-mini-pc-tested-with-windows-11-ubuntu-22-04/

It seems to use components that should be supported. The wifi might work
with iwx(4). Not sure about the mmc controller, so whatever works with
that m.2 slot you might want to put in some storage that way.

For anyone curious, that link has a dmesg from Ubuntu 22.04 on the
machine in question.

>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
>
> Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21



Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?

2024-03-25 Thread Steve Litt
Does anyone know whether this hardware runs OpenBSD?

https://www.walmart.com/ip/MeLE-Quieter3Q-Fanless-Mini-PC-N5105-Windows-11-8GB-256GB-4K-UHD-Wifi-6-Mini-Desktop-Computer-New/2177929669

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt 

Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21