Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
Neat On 9/25/23 02:03, Christoff Humphries wrote: The FAQ is nice, but there are also folks out there that have written some additional handy resources, such as: - https://www.k58.uk/openbsd.html (on installing and getting XFCE and Firefox working, including changes to staff group to increase allowed resource limits, etc) - https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/ (howtos on many things) -- including https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/services/webserver/ssl/ (how to setup httpd with acme-client with multiple domains) Note that after you install packages via pkg_add, there may be a note displayed telling you to read a file. Within that file is important information you should know. They're usually in the /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes directory and you should read them. For Firefox in particular it will tell you things you may want to do to get the behavior you're used to. See: https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/www/mozilla-firefox/pkg/README And for XFCE: https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/meta/xfce/pkg/README-main --- Original Message --- On Sunday, September 24th, 2023 at 11:34 PM, Jean-François Simon wrote: Hi Eric, You'll find how to install OpenBSD following FAQ pretty easily. After install, you'll be able to add packages (install software) with a simple internet connection. You'd have to install for example XFCE, Thunderbird, Firefox, Chromium. OpenBSD base install does includes a set of GUI and packages, but not a full fledged OS, but that's easy to do and above recommended packages should do well. Forget about searches, at this point you can easily start install base OS, packages, if needed get help on mail list or IRC, first go to the man and FAQ on website, they provide a path to get you up and running no difficulty. Regards Jean-François On 9/12/23 08:21, Eric Demer wrote: (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) Does openBSD come with a web browser? The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. Cheers! Perhaps I should steer clear anyway, but what's probably the reason I didn't find that answer may change things. Specifically, do you find that information with a basic web search while using none of Stackexchange , Reddit , Youtube , Google ? For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results saying that one can easily install Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying that some people use Lynx on it, but those didn't address whether there's one that comes already installed. I did go into results saying that one can easily install Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying that some people use Lynx on it, but those didn't address whether there's one that comes already installed. The other search results (from using duckduckgo) I found that mentioned openBSD - as opposed to just freeBSD - were all from stackexchange and reddit and youtube. I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which, them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to. Since the trigger for those Terms was something like, using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally gone back there, and have left immediately when I've accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there. (In particular, if they no longer have such Terms then I don't know that.) My brief search for Reddit's Terms brought up Reddit result previews suggesting that Reddit's Terms are also such that according to them, using their site to view their terms would constitute acceptance of those terms. Furthermore, according to https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/contrib-versions /blob/main/Reddit/Terms%20of%20Service.md , the changes provision in Reddit's Terms manages to be even worse than that of Stackexchange's Terms: Its change-acceptance is from access to or use of "the Services on or after the Effective Date of the revised Terms", and it does not say the Effective Date can't be before the revised Terms were posted. Youtube's Terms are better, but (0) it's Google, and (1) the "launch a new product or feature" exception is merely a timing restriction: It's not limited to changes that have anything else to do with the new product or feature. Google's Terms seem to have the same changes provision. Eric Demer
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
The FAQ is nice, but there are also folks out there that have written some additional handy resources, such as: - https://www.k58.uk/openbsd.html (on installing and getting XFCE and Firefox working, including changes to staff group to increase allowed resource limits, etc) - https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/ (howtos on many things) -- including https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/services/webserver/ssl/ (how to setup httpd with acme-client with multiple domains) Note that after you install packages via pkg_add, there may be a note displayed telling you to read a file. Within that file is important information you should know. They're usually in the /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes directory and you should read them. For Firefox in particular it will tell you things you may want to do to get the behavior you're used to. See: https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/www/mozilla-firefox/pkg/README And for XFCE: https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/meta/xfce/pkg/README-main --- Original Message --- On Sunday, September 24th, 2023 at 11:34 PM, Jean-François Simon wrote: > > > Hi Eric, > > You'll find how to install OpenBSD following FAQ pretty easily. > > After install, you'll be able to add packages (install software) with a > simple internet connection. > > You'd have to install for example XFCE, Thunderbird, Firefox, Chromium. > > OpenBSD base install does includes a set of GUI and packages, but not a > full fledged OS, but that's easy to do and above recommended packages > should do well. > > Forget about searches, at this point you can easily start install base > OS, packages, if needed get help on mail list or IRC, first go to the > man and FAQ on website, they provide a path to get you up and running no > difficulty. > > Regards > > Jean-François > > > On 9/12/23 08:21, Eric Demer wrote: > > > > > (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have > > > > not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) > > > > > > > > Does openBSD come with a web browser? > > > > The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html > > > > suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more > > > > detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . > > > > Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. > > > > The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Perhaps I should steer clear anyway, but what's probably > > the reason I didn't find that answer may change things. > > > > Specifically, do you find that information with a basic web search > > while using none of Stackexchange , Reddit , Youtube , Google ? > > > > For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am > > not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results saying > > that one can easily install Firefox on openBSD, and remember at > > least one result saying that some people use Lynx on it, but those > > didn't address whether there's one that comes already installed. > > > > I did go into results saying that one can easily install > > Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying > > that some people use Lynx on it, but those didn't > > address whether there's one that comes already installed. > > The other search results (from using duckduckgo) I found > > that mentioned openBSD - as opposed to just freeBSD - > > were all from stackexchange and reddit and youtube. > > > > I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which, > > them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause > > as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in > > me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to. > > Since the trigger for those Terms was something like, > > using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally > > gone back there, and have left immediately when I've > > accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there. > > (In particular, if they no longer have > > such Terms then I don't know that.) > > > > My brief search for Reddit's Terms brought up Reddit > > result previews suggesting that Reddit's Terms are also > > such that according to them, using their site to view > > their terms would constitute acceptance of those terms. > > Furthermore, according to > > https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/contrib-versions > > /blob/main/Reddit/Terms%20of%20Service.md > > , the changes provision in Reddit's Terms manages > > to be even worse than that of Stackexchange's Terms: > > Its change-acceptance
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
Hi Eric, You'll find how to install OpenBSD following FAQ pretty easily. After install, you'll be able to add packages (install software) with a simple internet connection. You'd have to install for example XFCE, Thunderbird, Firefox, Chromium. OpenBSD base install does includes a set of GUI and packages, but not a full fledged OS, but that's easy to do and above recommended packages should do well. Forget about searches, at this point you can easily start install base OS, packages, if needed get help on mail list or IRC, first go to the man and FAQ on website, they provide a path to get you up and running no difficulty. Regards Jean-François On 9/12/23 08:21, Eric Demer wrote: (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) Does openBSD come with a web browser? The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. Cheers! Perhaps I should steer clear anyway, but what's probably the reason I didn't find that answer may change things. Specifically, do you find that information with a basic web search while using none ofStackexchange , Reddit , Youtube , Google ? For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results saying that one _can easily install_ Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but those didn't address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. I did go into results saying that one _can easily install_ Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but those didn't address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. The other search results (from using duckduckgo) I found that mentioned openBSD - as opposed to just freeBSD - were all from stackexchange and reddit and youtube. I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which, them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to. Since the trigger for those Terms was something like, using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally gone back there, and have left immediately when I've accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there. (In particular, if they no longer have such Terms then I don't know that.) My brief search for Reddit's Terms brought up Reddit result previews suggesting that Reddit's Terms are also such that according to them, using their site to view their terms would constitute acceptance of those terms. Furthermore, according to https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/contrib-versions /blob/main/Reddit/Terms%20of%20Service.md , the changes provision in Reddit's Terms manages to be even worse than that of Stackexchange's Terms: Its change-acceptance is from access to or use of "the Services on or after the Effective Date of the revised Terms", and it does not say the Effective Date can't be _before_ the revised Terms were posted. Youtube's Terms are better, but (0) it's Google, and (1) the "launch a new product or feature" exception is merely a timing restriction: It's not limited to changes that have anything else to do with the new product or feature. Google's Terms seem to have the same changes provision. Eric Demer
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
My Thinkpad T480 has worked very well. Everything works on it. Though, there is a fingerprint scanner I have never tried. It even does sleep very well, unlike other laptops I have had (and with other operating systems I have had). Courtney On 9/12/23 17:51, Eric Demer wrote: Thankyou. As Allan mentioned, I will do more searching regarding the laptop I might be buying. Eric Demer
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 01:38:30AM +, 0x1eef wrote: > The only feature not working out of the box was wifi. But you > can buy a USB dongle to compensate for that. Laptops with built-in Intel wifi will give you 11ac with up to 300 (three hundred) Mbit/s. Any of AX200/AX201/AX210/AX211 will do. Suspend/resume works, and seamless roaming between APs is supported. All supported USB dongles will only work in 11a/b/g modes due to driver limitations. In practice I would expect throughput to max out at around 10 (ten) Mbit/s, often much less. USB devices need to be reconfigured after suspend/resume either manually or via hotdplugd. None of the USB drivers support roaming between APs. So if you walk out of range or the AP drops off the air you need to down/up the interface yourself. There's also broadcom 11ac for specific devices used on some arm64 platforms. It is less common on x86 than the Intel ones. Hopefully more chipsets will get 11ac support later. But for now if you can get built-in Intel or (supported) Broadcom then that's the obvious choice if you are buying a laptop today and want to use wifi on OpenBSD.
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
Thankyou. As Allan mentioned, I will do more searching regarding the laptop I might be buying. Eric Demer
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
> Thankyou. As Allan mentioned, I will do more > searching regarding the laptop I might be buying. Lenovo Thinkpads usually work well. I can speak for L14 model. The only feature not working out of the box was wifi. But you can buy a USB dongle to compensate for that.
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On 2023-09-11 23:21:06-0700, Eric Demer wrote: > > > (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have > > > not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) > > > ?? > > > Does openBSD come with a web browser? > > > The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html > > > suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more > > > detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/??. > I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which, > them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause > as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in > me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to. > Since the trigger for those Terms was something like, > using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally > gone back there, and have left immediately when I've > accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there. > (In particular, if they no longer have > such Terms then I don't know that.) I'm definitely not a lawyer but I am careful about what terms I agree to, and I save them to diff with later changes, etc. But I'm guessing that just using a site, without ever specifically agreeing to the terms, will not bind you to them. Like, maybe I read something that a site couldn't bind someone to their terms because they couldn't prove that they agreed. Good luck to you, not many people care what they agree to.
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
Hi, David wrote on Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 07:23:18AM +1000: > On Mon, 2023-09-11 at 23:21 -0700, Eric Demer wrote: >> whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. All the software that is part of the OpenBSD base system is documented on the site https://man.openbsd.org/ . Consequently, given that https://man.openbsd.org/?query=browser=1 redirects to https://man.openbsd.org/man1/viewres.1 "graphical class browser for Xt" you can quite safely conclude from that authoritative source that the current OpenBSD base system does not include a web browser. [Note to self: i have to make the URI syntax of that site more user-friendly, maybe something like https://man.openbsd.org/-k/browser Sigh, so much interesting work to do all over the place.] By the way, OpenBSD is arguably the system that requires the least amount of web searching. It is almost always faster to look only at 1. the manual pages 2. the FAQ, https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ 3. and /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/ with the extra benefit of getting authoritative, and only authoritative, information. > $ grep _flags /etc/rc.conf | cut -d '_' -f 1 Not very good advice, that command only produces a list of some daemon programs that come with the base system, but a web browser is typically not a daemon, however devilish it may look. Notably, four of the base system programs that i occasionally use for browsing the web do not show up in that list: https://man.openbsd.org/ftp.1 https://man.openbsd.org/telnet.1 https://man.openbsd.org/nc.1 https://man.openbsd.org/openssl.1 > There will always be `Terms' involved with any level of social > interaction. Maybe, even though i rarely think in terms of "terms" when interacting with my friends. The only - admittedly rather strained - idea i manage to come up with for bringing a discussion of "terms" back on topic is pointing out how infrequently OpenBSD terms of use change: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/share/misc/license.template Three versions in twenty years. Neither of the two changes actually changed any part of the conditions. The first change fixed a typo in a comment. The second changed the placeholder for the Copyright year from CCYY to . Oh, and the total length of the "terms" is 25 lines, 192 words, 1123 bytes, including historical information, instructions for developers how to apply the terms to their code, and a lengthy warranty disclaimer. The actual terms consist of 3 lines, 33 words, 207 bytes. So much for "terms" and for changing them. Yours, Ingo
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
> For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am > not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results saying > that one _can easily install_ Firefox on openBSD, and remember at > least one result saying that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but those > didn't address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. No browser is installed by default, but there's plenty to choose from: chromium, ungoogled-chromium, iridium, firefox, ... And they're not more than one command away, eg 'pkg_add firefox'.
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 07:23 +1000, David wrote: > On Mon, 2023-09-11 at 23:21 -0700, Eric Demer wrote: > > > > (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have > > > > not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) > > > > > > > > Does openBSD come with a web browser? > > > > The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html > > > > suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more > > > > detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . > > > > > > Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. > > > The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > Perhaps I should steer clear anyway, but what's probably > > the reason I didn't find that answer may change things. > > > > Specifically, do you find that information with a basic web search > > while using none of Stackexchange , Reddit , Youtube , Google ? > > I use Duckduckgo. > Yes, a search engine is required. > > I often find information of value in all the above mentioned sources, > along with a substantial level of crap. > Welcome to the freedom of the Internet. > Long may it rain on us. > > > For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am > > not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results > > saying > > that one _can easily install_ Firefox on openBSD, and remember at > > least one result saying that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but > > those > > didn't address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. > > $ grep _flags /etc/rc.conf | cut -d '_' -f 1 Oh, and as an aside, I don't even have OpenBSD installed yet. I'm just a lurker on the list. I got the above off a site I discovered on Duckduckgo. I have no idea what the `Terms' are. If you feel the investment in time is worth it, you can do that for yourself. https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-02-16-openbsd-base-services.html > > I did go into results saying that one _can easily install_ > > Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying > > that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but those didn't > > address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. > > The other search results (from using duckduckgo) I found > > that mentioned openBSD - as opposed to just freeBSD - > > were all from stackexchange and reddit and youtube. > > > > I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which, > > them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause > > as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in > > me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to. > > Since the trigger for those Terms was something like, > > using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally > > gone back there, and have left immediately when I've > > accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there. > > (In particular, if they no longer have > > such Terms then I don't know that.) > > Stackexchange is an excellent source. > I'm a regular part of the LaTeX mob there. > Play a minor role in other categories. > > > My brief search for Reddit's Terms brought up Reddit > > result previews suggesting that Reddit's Terms are also > > such that according to them, using their site to view > > their terms would constitute acceptance of those terms. > > Furthermore, according to > > https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/contrib-versions > > /blob/main/Reddit/Terms%20of%20Service.md > > , the changes provision in Reddit's Terms manages > > to be even worse than that of Stackexchange's Terms: > > Its change-acceptance is from access to or use of "the Services on > > or > > after the Effective Date of the revised Terms", and it does not say > > the Effective Date can't be _before_ the revised Terms were posted. > > > > Youtube's Terms are better, but (0) it's Google, and > > (1) the "launch a new product or feature" exception is > > merely a timing restriction: It's not limited to changes > > that have anything else to do with the new product or feature. > > Google's Terms seem to have the same changes provision. > > If you spent as much time chasing down the information you need > rather > than being obsessed with `Terms', you would have had your answers > some > considerable time ago. > It's information you're after. > There will always be `Terms' involved with any level of social > interaction. > Cheers! > -- `One day, the great European war will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans'. -- Otto von Bismarck (1888)
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
On Mon, 2023-09-11 at 23:21 -0700, Eric Demer wrote: > > > (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have > > > not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) > > > > > > Does openBSD come with a web browser? > > > The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html > > > suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more > > > detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . > > > > Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. > > The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. > > Cheers! > > > > Perhaps I should steer clear anyway, but what's probably > the reason I didn't find that answer may change things. > > Specifically, do you find that information with a basic web search > while using none of Stackexchange , Reddit , Youtube , Google ? I use Duckduckgo. Yes, a search engine is required. I often find information of value in all the above mentioned sources, along with a substantial level of crap. Welcome to the freedom of the Internet. Long may it rain on us. > For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am > not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results saying > that one _can easily install_ Firefox on openBSD, and remember at > least one result saying that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but > those > didn't address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. $ grep _flags /etc/rc.conf | cut -d '_' -f 1 > I did go into results saying that one _can easily install_ > Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying > that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but those didn't > address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. > The other search results (from using duckduckgo) I found > that mentioned openBSD - as opposed to just freeBSD - > were all from stackexchange and reddit and youtube. > > I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which, > them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause > as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in > me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to. > Since the trigger for those Terms was something like, > using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally > gone back there, and have left immediately when I've > accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there. > (In particular, if they no longer have > such Terms then I don't know that.) Stackexchange is an excellent source. I'm a regular part of the LaTeX mob there. Play a minor role in other categories. > My brief search for Reddit's Terms brought up Reddit > result previews suggesting that Reddit's Terms are also > such that according to them, using their site to view > their terms would constitute acceptance of those terms. > Furthermore, according to > https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/contrib-versions > /blob/main/Reddit/Terms%20of%20Service.md > , the changes provision in Reddit's Terms manages > to be even worse than that of Stackexchange's Terms: > Its change-acceptance is from access to or use of "the Services on or > after the Effective Date of the revised Terms", and it does not say > the Effective Date can't be _before_ the revised Terms were posted. > > Youtube's Terms are better, but (0) it's Google, and > (1) the "launch a new product or feature" exception is > merely a timing restriction: It's not limited to changes > that have anything else to do with the new product or feature. > Google's Terms seem to have the same changes provision. If you spent as much time chasing down the information you need rather than being obsessed with `Terms', you would have had your answers some considerable time ago. It's information you're after. There will always be `Terms' involved with any level of social interaction. Cheers! -- `One day, the great European war will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans'. -- Otto von Bismarck (1888)
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
> > (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have > > not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) > > > > Does openBSD come with a web browser? > > The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html > > suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more > > detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . > > Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. > The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. > Cheers! Perhaps I should steer clear anyway, but what's probably the reason I didn't find that answer may change things. Specifically, do you find that information with a basic web search while using none ofStackexchange , Reddit , Youtube , Google ? For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results saying that one _can easily install_ Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but those didn't address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. I did go into results saying that one _can easily install_ Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but those didn't address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. The other search results (from using duckduckgo) I found that mentioned openBSD - as opposed to just freeBSD - were all from stackexchange and reddit and youtube. I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which, them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to. Since the trigger for those Terms was something like, using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally gone back there, and have left immediately when I've accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there. (In particular, if they no longer have such Terms then I don't know that.) My brief search for Reddit's Terms brought up Reddit result previews suggesting that Reddit's Terms are also such that according to them, using their site to view their terms would constitute acceptance of those terms. Furthermore, according to https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/contrib-versions /blob/main/Reddit/Terms%20of%20Service.md , the changes provision in Reddit's Terms manages to be even worse than that of Stackexchange's Terms: Its change-acceptance is from access to or use of "the Services on or after the Effective Date of the revised Terms", and it does not say the Effective Date can't be _before_ the revised Terms were posted. Youtube's Terms are better, but (0) it's Google, and (1) the "launch a new product or feature" exception is merely a timing restriction: It's not limited to changes that have anything else to do with the new product or feature. Google's Terms seem to have the same changes provision. Eric Demer
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023, at 00:15, David wrote: > On Sun, 2023-09-10 at 18:27 -0700, Eric Demer wrote: >> (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have >> not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) >> >> Does openBSD come with a web browser? The "the FAQ and" parts of >> https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html suggest that it does, but I haven't >> found any more detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . > > Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. > The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. > Cheers! I'd suggest also doing some searches on which laptops are well supported, particularly WiFi and graphics devices, to save some frustration and possible regret. Allan
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
Mainstream web browsers are like the patriots: they hit fast but no one explain us what the smooth scrolling is really good for. -- Daniele Bonini Sep 11, 2023 09:03:14 Mizsei Zoltán : > Look here for the available browsers: https://openbsd.app/?search=web+browser
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Look here for the available browsers: https://openbsd.app/?search=web+browser --Z-- Daniele B. írta 2023. szept.. 11, H-n 08:32 órakor: > Sep 11, 2023 08:16:11 David : > >> Quite frankly > > Maybe, he just want to point out that beside going > to the shop to chose a laptop with a secure OS on a stick.. > - web browsing > - man > - faq > are all stuff that need an upgrade.. -- --Z--
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
Sep 11, 2023 08:16:11 David : > Quite frankly Maybe, he just want to point out that beside going to the shop to chose a laptop with a secure OS on a stick.. - web browsing - man - faq are all stuff that need an upgrade..
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
On Sun, 2023-09-10 at 18:27 -0700, Eric Demer wrote: > (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have > not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) > > Does openBSD come with a web browser? The "the FAQ and" parts of > https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html suggest that it does, but I haven't > found any more detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. Cheers! -- A Kiwi in Australia, doing my bit toward raising the national standard.
Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?
On Sep 10 18:27:27, de...@mailbox.org wrote: > (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have > not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) I doubt you will get a laptop with OpenBSD, more likely you will have to install OpenBSD yourself. (Which is not hard.) > Does openBSD come with a web browser? The "the FAQ and" parts of > https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html suggest that it does, but I haven't > found any more detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html pkg_add firefox lynx
Does openBSD come with a web browser?
(I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) Does openBSD come with a web browser? The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . Eric Demer
