Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:53:51PM +, Scott Beamer wrote: > I guess you don't know much about how Linux live CDs work, do you? I do know that "Live CDs" are basically "legacy", now that a) most newer machines can boot from USB, b) USB flash drives are relatively cheap, c) USB flash drives generally have more storage space than a CD, d) USB flash drives can actually be written to, e) many machines these days don't come with optical drives, f) USB flash drives are smaller than CDs, g) USB flash drives are more likely to be reused than tossed into the trash, ... -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On 23:53, Mon 01 Feb 10, Scott Beamer wrote: > Bryan spake thusly: > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:34, Stefan Rinkes > > wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to > >> introduce my OpenBSD-Project. > >> > >> In the last months several OpenBSD-Live-Projects have been founded. And > >> I really like them, but I always missed the option to install directly > >> from the LiveCD or usb-stick. > >> > >> > > You can install to a USB stick with the OpenBSD CDs. What is special > > about yours? > > I guess you don't know much about how Linux live CDs work, do you? I know most of the time they actually _DONT_ work. > > > > >> About 9 months ago I started to combine the LiveCD and the installation > >> process. I named this project "GNOBSD", the combination of OpenBSD and > >> GNOME. After just 3 months I was able to publish "GNOBSD 4.5", the > >> first working OpenBSD Live/Install CD. > >> > >> > > Why add a bloated Desktop like GNOME? What's wrong with fvwm, or maybe > > even fluxbox (in a pinch)? > > FVWM is very dated, fluxbox is not easy for inexperienced users. > Personally, I dislike fluxbox/openbox/blackbox... Because you dont like it, it's not easy for inexperienced users ? Common. I gave my parents (they use a computer once a week to check email, and even that has to come with a printed manual) a thinclient that runs fluxbox and they never call me with questions. Still I get mail from them almost weekly with pictures of their garden and their cars and stuff. > > The best "light" desktops for my money are LXDE and XFCE. But I still > prefer GNOME (or KDE) to anything else. > > Freedom of choice. That's the beauty of Open Source. Exactly. But this freedom does not mean GNOME isn't bloated. If what you say is true I should whine and complain about vim not being in base because I use it for every .txt file. Sure I don't use 99% of it's features by editing a simple .txt file. If I were to create a BSD based setup with VIM and announce it here I'll get the same response because ed is in base and very capable of handling txt files. Hell, even cat and sed can do that! Still my vim setup is bloated because I add a ton of files to my system I really dont need. > > > > >> Since 2 weeks the new release "GNOBSD 4.6" is available. It is based on > >> the release version of OpenBSD 4.6 and can be downloaded as DVD-Iso or > >> image for usb-sticks. > >> > >> > > > >> After burning the ISO-Image to a DVD or copying the image to an > >> usb-stick, you boot, test and if you like it, install it with the > >> installation-wizard. > >> > >> > > Again, installation from media that I buy to "support OpenBSD" to a USB > > stick is still easier than this... If I use yours, I am slowly helping > > to doom OpenBSD > > That is utter nonsense. Ever heard of PC-BSD? It's been around for a few > years now and it's based on FreeBSD. FreeBSD isn't going anywhere > anytime soon How much funding is FreeBSD getting from PC-BSD Right, NONE! That's the whole issue here. It's an almost default install of OpenBSD with pre-installed GNOME and there's totally no money flowing back from this 'project' into OpenBSD. So they are making money with OpenBSD (which is fine) and they are spamming the OpenBSD lists with it (which is of course not fine). > > > > >> The GNOBSD-installer is written in ruby and uses the gtk2-toolkit. > >> After the installation have been finished OpenBSD, the window-manager > >> GNOME and some useful packages, e.g. firefox, are installed and ready > >> to use. > >> > >> > > "useful packages" is opinion. I may see "TeX" as useful... > > You're geekier than the average person out there. And that's an opinion as well. > > > >> The website is currently just available in german, I'm working on the > >> english version. But I would really appreciate if some of you download > >> and test it. > >> > >> And of course, give feedback ;) > >> > > .I was "good cop" > > I beg to differ I agree. He really was 'good cop' > > > Furthermore, I won't be using your product. > > And anyone else should care because? Add me to the 'I wont be using your product' list. > > >I am afraid we are going in > > a different direction, and I choose to use a product that directly > > supports the developers of OpenBSD, mainly OpenBSD and OpenSSH. I've > > been a supporter for years, and will continue to help them in anyway I > > can. > > It looks like Stefan is an OpenBSD developer now. Wrong Stefan. > > Keep using openBSD as you choose and stop worrying about others are using > it. Open Source is all about freedom of choice. We dont worry about others, except when they start using the OpenBSD mailinglists as free advertisment channel for their crap. -- Michiel van Baak mich...@vanbaak.eu http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
Scott Beamer wrote on Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:53:51PM +: > It looks like Stefan is an OpenBSD developer now. Neither stefan@ nor stsp@ are called "Rinkes", so you are probably confusing different people.
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
Bryan spake thusly: > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:34, Stefan Rinkes > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to >> introduce my OpenBSD-Project. >> >> In the last months several OpenBSD-Live-Projects have been founded. And >> I really like them, but I always missed the option to install directly >> from the LiveCD or usb-stick. >> >> > You can install to a USB stick with the OpenBSD CDs. What is special > about yours? I guess you don't know much about how Linux live CDs work, do you? > >> About 9 months ago I started to combine the LiveCD and the installation >> process. I named this project "GNOBSD", the combination of OpenBSD and >> GNOME. After just 3 months I was able to publish "GNOBSD 4.5", the >> first working OpenBSD Live/Install CD. >> >> > Why add a bloated Desktop like GNOME? What's wrong with fvwm, or maybe > even fluxbox (in a pinch)? FVWM is very dated, fluxbox is not easy for inexperienced users. Personally, I dislike fluxbox/openbox/blackbox... The best "light" desktops for my money are LXDE and XFCE. But I still prefer GNOME (or KDE) to anything else. Freedom of choice. That's the beauty of Open Source. > >> Since 2 weeks the new release "GNOBSD 4.6" is available. It is based on >> the release version of OpenBSD 4.6 and can be downloaded as DVD-Iso or >> image for usb-sticks. >> >> > >> After burning the ISO-Image to a DVD or copying the image to an >> usb-stick, you boot, test and if you like it, install it with the >> installation-wizard. >> >> > Again, installation from media that I buy to "support OpenBSD" to a USB > stick is still easier than this... If I use yours, I am slowly helping > to doom OpenBSD That is utter nonsense. Ever heard of PC-BSD? It's been around for a few years now and it's based on FreeBSD. FreeBSD isn't going anywhere anytime soon > >> The GNOBSD-installer is written in ruby and uses the gtk2-toolkit. >> After the installation have been finished OpenBSD, the window-manager >> GNOME and some useful packages, e.g. firefox, are installed and ready >> to use. >> >> > "useful packages" is opinion. I may see "TeX" as useful... You're geekier than the average person out there. > >> The website is currently just available in german, I'm working on the >> english version. But I would really appreciate if some of you download >> and test it. >> >> And of course, give feedback ;) >> > .I was "good cop" I beg to differ > Furthermore, I won't be using your product. And anyone else should care because? >I am afraid we are going in > a different direction, and I choose to use a product that directly > supports the developers of OpenBSD, mainly OpenBSD and OpenSSH. I've > been a supporter for years, and will continue to help them in anyway I > can. It looks like Stefan is an OpenBSD developer now. Keep using openBSD as you choose and stop worrying about others are using it. Open Source is all about freedom of choice.
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chris Dukes wrote: > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 07:34:24PM +0100, Stefan Rinkes wrote: > [SNEEP] > > Generally the best day to post these announcements is the first day > of the fourth month of the year. But the day these ideas are traditionally developed is on the twentieth day of the fourth month of the year. > > And if you're into product life cycle management, it's a wonderful day > for a product to be out of service... > -- > Chris Dukes
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 07:34:24PM +0100, Stefan Rinkes wrote: [SNEEP] Generally the best day to post these announcements is the first day of the fourth month of the year. And if you're into product life cycle management, it's a wonderful day for a product to be out of service... -- Chris Dukes
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
> > Stefan Rinkes > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany > > and I want to introduce my OpenBSD-Project. > > Stefan, you seem like a programmer dude looking to contribute to The Cause. > Would you be interested in contributing your skills to OpenBSD? > > Mehma > ===
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
Oh my gosh, I am cracking up after reading all the posts... Now my day isn't so boring anymore. --- On Tue, 1/19/10, FRLinux wrote: > From: FRLinux > Subject: Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction > To: "Stefan Rinkes" > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 7:37 PM > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:34 PM, > Stefan Rinkes > > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany > and I want to > > introduce my OpenBSD-Project. > > Hey Stefan, for your own benefit (and possibly this list > too), please > take a look at the (long) following thread which took place > not too > long ago in a galaxy fairly close to ours: > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&w=2&r=2&s=comixwall&q=b > (look for > ComixWall). > > Cheers, > Steph
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Thomas Pfaff wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:34:24 +0100 > Stefan Rinkes wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to >> introduce my OpenBSD-Project. >> > > See http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=126037728930452&w=2 > > Sorry. > > Ok. Sorry for the noise. Stefan Rinkes
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:34:24 +0100 Stefan Rinkes wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to > introduce my OpenBSD-Project. > See http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=126037728930452&w=2 Sorry.
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Stefan Rinkes wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to > introduce my OpenBSD-Project. Hey Stefan, for your own benefit (and possibly this list too), please take a look at the (long) following thread which took place not too long ago in a galaxy fairly close to ours: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&w=2&r=2&s=comixwall&q=b (look for ComixWall). Cheers, Steph
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Stefan Rinkes wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to > introduce my OpenBSD-Project. > > In the last months several OpenBSD-Live-Projects have been founded. > And I really like them, but I always missed the option to install > directly from the LiveCD or usb-stick. > cd46.iso or install46.iso is a LiveCD ;-) there is option to install directly to usb-stick http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#flashmemLive > About 9 months ago I started to combine the LiveCD and the installation > process. I named this project "GNOBSD", the combination of OpenBSD and > GNOME. After just 3 months I was able to publish "GNOBSD 4.5", the first > working OpenBSD Live/Install CD. > ? Gnome is in packages/ports so what's missing? > Since 2 weeks the new release "GNOBSD 4.6" is available. > It is based on the release version of OpenBSD 4.6 and can be downloaded > as DVD-Iso or image for usb-sticks. > > After burning the ISO-Image to a DVD or copying the image to an usb-stick, > you boot, test and if you like it, install it with the installation-wizard. > > The GNOBSD-installer is written in ruby and uses the gtk2-toolkit. > After the installation have been finished OpenBSD, the > window-manager GNOME and some useful packages, > e.g. firefox, are installed and ready to use. > You will misguide users a lot, because I think that most of the users of OpenBSD don't need GUI installer and users which will try your OS may think that it's somewhat easy as eg. Ubuntu because - hey, look at this nice GUI installer and then they expect GUI everywhere. > The website is currently just available in german, I'm working on the english > version. But I would really appreciate if some of you download and test it. > > And of course, give feedback ;) > > Download-Links: http://gnobsd.sri-dev.de/index.php/Downloads > > Thanks in advance > > Stefan Rinkes > > Don't do PR of personal projects on mailing lists which are official for different projects ;-) Of course that you can do your own project based on OpenBSD, but take care with marketing.
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:34, Stefan Rinkes wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to > introduce my OpenBSD-Project. > > In the last months several OpenBSD-Live-Projects have been founded. > And I really like them, but I always missed the option to install > directly from the LiveCD or usb-stick. > You can install to a USB stick with the OpenBSD CDs. What is special about yours? > About 9 months ago I started to combine the LiveCD and the installation > process. I named this project "GNOBSD", the combination of OpenBSD and > GNOME. After just 3 months I was able to publish "GNOBSD 4.5", the first > working OpenBSD Live/Install CD. > Why add a bloated Desktop like GNOME? What's wrong with fvwm, or maybe even fluxbox (in a pinch)? > Since 2 weeks the new release "GNOBSD 4.6" is available. > It is based on the release version of OpenBSD 4.6 and can be downloaded > as DVD-Iso or image for usb-sticks. > > After burning the ISO-Image to a DVD or copying the image to an usb-stick, > you boot, test and if you like it, install it with the installation-wizard. > Again, installation from media that I buy to "support OpenBSD" to a USB stick is still easier than this... If I use yours, I am slowly helping to doom OpenBSD > The GNOBSD-installer is written in ruby and uses the gtk2-toolkit. > After the installation have been finished OpenBSD, the > window-manager GNOME and some useful packages, > e.g. firefox, are installed and ready to use. > "useful packages" is opinion. I may see "TeX" as useful... > The website is currently just available in german, I'm working on the english > version. But I would really appreciate if some of you download and test it. > > And of course, give feedback ;) > You're going to get some feedback. I was "good cop" > Download-Links: http://gnobsd.sri-dev.de/index.php/Downloads > > Thanks in advance > > Stefan Rinkes > > Furthermore, I won't be using your product. I am afraid we are going in a different direction, and I choose to use a product that directly supports the developers of OpenBSD, mainly OpenBSD and OpenSSH. I've been a supporter for years, and will continue to help them in anyway I can. Kind regards, Bryan Brake
Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction
omg ... there will be blood ... :-) On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 07:34:24PM +0100, Stefan Rinkes wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to > introduce my OpenBSD-Project. > > In the last months several OpenBSD-Live-Projects have been founded. > And I really like them, but I always missed the option to install > directly from the LiveCD or usb-stick. > > About 9 months ago I started to combine the LiveCD and the installation > process. I named this project "GNOBSD", the combination of OpenBSD and > GNOME. After just 3 months I was able to publish "GNOBSD 4.5", the first > working OpenBSD Live/Install CD. > > Since 2 weeks the new release "GNOBSD 4.6" is available. > It is based on the release version of OpenBSD 4.6 and can be downloaded > as DVD-Iso or image for usb-sticks. > > After burning the ISO-Image to a DVD or copying the image to an usb-stick, > you boot, test and if you like it, install it with the installation-wizard. > > The GNOBSD-installer is written in ruby and uses the gtk2-toolkit. > After the installation have been finished OpenBSD, the > window-manager GNOME and some useful packages, > e.g. firefox, are installed and ready to use. > > The website is currently just available in german, I'm working on the english > version. But I would really appreciate if some of you download and test it. > > And of course, give feedback ;) > > Download-Links: http://gnobsd.sri-dev.de/index.php/Downloads > > Thanks in advance > > Stefan Rinkes > -- Gilles Chehade freelance developer/sysadmin/consultant http://www.poolp.org
GNOBSD-Project introduction
Hello, My name is Stefan Rinkes. I'm from munich in germany and I want to introduce my OpenBSD-Project. In the last months several OpenBSD-Live-Projects have been founded. And I really like them, but I always missed the option to install directly from the LiveCD or usb-stick. About 9 months ago I started to combine the LiveCD and the installation process. I named this project "GNOBSD", the combination of OpenBSD and GNOME. After just 3 months I was able to publish "GNOBSD 4.5", the first working OpenBSD Live/Install CD. Since 2 weeks the new release "GNOBSD 4.6" is available. It is based on the release version of OpenBSD 4.6 and can be downloaded as DVD-Iso or image for usb-sticks. After burning the ISO-Image to a DVD or copying the image to an usb-stick, you boot, test and if you like it, install it with the installation-wizard. The GNOBSD-installer is written in ruby and uses the gtk2-toolkit. After the installation have been finished OpenBSD, the window-manager GNOME and some useful packages, e.g. firefox, are installed and ready to use. The website is currently just available in german, I'm working on the english version. But I would really appreciate if some of you download and test it. And of course, give feedback ;) Download-Links: http://gnobsd.sri-dev.de/index.php/Downloads Thanks in advance Stefan Rinkes
