Re: GROUP CHANGED
On 15 June 2015, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 09:53:56AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > > My memories of Debiandora are fading slightly, but, ... > > ... I think the numeric id for wheel group in Linux is not 0. > > At least on Ubuntu 12.04 there is no wheel group and the numeric id > for the root group is 0. Yeah, renaming wheel to root makes for increased security, too. :) It prompted people to write recommendations, HOWTOs, and security cheat sheets about creating groups named "staff", "admins", and the like, and give _those_ special privileges. You can't make these things up, I'm telling ya. Regards, Liviu Daia
Re: GROUP CHANGED
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 09:53:56AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > My memories of Debiandora are fading slightly, but, ... : > ... I think the numeric id for wheel group in Linux is not 0. At least on Ubuntu 12.04 there is no wheel group and the numeric id for the root group is 0. > > Which is relevant to the OP's misplaced concerns. > > (Not to mention the topic of power grabs.) -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
Re: GROUP CHANGED
An idle mind is the devil's workshop. On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Mike Burns wrote: > On 2015-06-14 16.46.53 +0200, Max Power wrote: >> Only the group is changed. >> But why the owner is remained the same [root]? >> On OpenBSD, I can not get root:root ? > > No: > > $ grep ^root /etc/group > $ Well, sure he can. We're just pretty sure he doesn't want to go to the trouble of adding a group named root, with or without the -o option. >:;-)) For what it's worth, I did a groupadd -o -g 0 root ; and then edited /etc/group to put the root group ahead of the wheel group, and I got the owner:group he expected from ls -l / ; I deleted the new root group immediately because I don't want to know what might break or how by gaming the system like that for now good reason. I guess I need to get up the courage to boot my custom kernel with the experiment GPT support and see what happens, instead of making useless noise on misc@ .
Re: GROUP CHANGED
> > Yes, it was on the su(1) man page...it's still in their docs: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html#index-fascism-2365 > > > > So welcome to the oppressive, totalitarian regime of *BSD. If you've got > > root, be sure to claim your free pair of hobnailed boots to place on the > > necks of your users. CEMENT THE POWER! > > This is all you need to know; > "(This section is by Richard Stallman.)" > > Or, "Warning; delusional nut job about to pontificate." Well there is this funny story about when I hacked into RMS's firmware-driven keyboard controller, and managed to grap his root password. Later there was another user (who obviously should never have root), but since there was no wheel group.
Re: GROUP CHANGED
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015, at 06:14 PM, andrew fabbro wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Marc Espie wrote: > > > Note that the description of "wheel" characteristics > > in FSF's Linux used to be hilarious. > > > > Yes, it was on the su(1) man page...it's still in their docs: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html#index-fascism-2365 > > So welcome to the oppressive, totalitarian regime of *BSD. If you've got > root, be sure to claim your free pair of hobnailed boots to place on the > necks of your users. CEMENT THE POWER! This is all you need to know; "(This section is by Richard Stallman.)" Or, "Warning; delusional nut job about to pontificate."
Re: GROUP CHANGED
My memories of Debiandora are fading slightly, but, ... 2015/06/15 8:53 "Rick Hanson" : > > From the linux su man page: > > > This version of su uses PAM for authentication, account and session > > management. Some configuration options found in other su > > implementations, such as support for a wheel group, have to be > > configured via PAM. > > So, you see, the jack-booted thug "rulers" have already "cement[ed] > the[ir] power" in GNU/Linux. O Freedom! We knew ye not as our > fathers did, who roamed without fetters on the Twenex fields of yore! > ;) > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:14 PM, andrew fabbro wrote: > > > > Yes, it was on the su(1) man page...it's still in their docs: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html#index-fascism-2365 > > > > So welcome to the oppressive, totalitarian regime of *BSD. If you've got > > root, be sure to claim your free pair of hobnailed boots to place on the > > necks of your users. CEMENT THE POWER! ... I think the numeric id for wheel group in Linux is not 0. Which is relevant to the OP's misplaced concerns. (Not to mention the topic of power grabs.)
Re: GROUP CHANGED
>From the linux su man page: > This version of su uses PAM for authentication, account and session > management. Some configuration options found in other su > implementations, such as support for a wheel group, have to be > configured via PAM. So, you see, the jack-booted thug "rulers" have already "cement[ed] the[ir] power" in GNU/Linux. O Freedom! We knew ye not as our fathers did, who roamed without fetters on the Twenex fields of yore! ;) On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:14 PM, andrew fabbro wrote: > > Yes, it was on the su(1) man page...it's still in their docs: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html#index-fascism-2365 > > So welcome to the oppressive, totalitarian regime of *BSD. If you've got > root, be sure to claim your free pair of hobnailed boots to place on the > necks of your users. CEMENT THE POWER! > > -- > andrew fabbro > and...@fabbro.org > blog: https://raindog308.com
Re: GROUP CHANGED
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Marc Espie wrote: > Note that the description of "wheel" characteristics > in FSF's Linux used to be hilarious. > Yes, it was on the su(1) man page...it's still in their docs: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html#index-fascism-2365 So welcome to the oppressive, totalitarian regime of *BSD. If you've got root, be sure to claim your free pair of hobnailed boots to place on the necks of your users. CEMENT THE POWER! -- andrew fabbro and...@fabbro.org blog: https://raindog308.com
Re: GROUP CHANGED
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 04:46:53PM +0200, Max Power wrote: > Thank You Gilles for Your reply. > > Only the group is changed. > But why the owner is remained the same [root]? > On OpenBSD, I can not get root:root ? Tradition. Note that the description of "wheel" characteristics in FSF's Linux used to be hilarious.
Re: GROUP CHANGED
Groups and users are actually just numbers, the mapping to names happens in the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files. On Linux, user 0 is 'root' and group 0 is 'root'. On BSDs, user 0 is 'root', but group 0 is 'wheel'. Check the /etc/group file on both systems, and you will see. Bernd On 14/06/15 15:46, Max Power wrote: > Thank You Gilles for Your reply. > > Only the group is changed. > But why the owner is remained the same [root]? > On OpenBSD, I can not get root:root ? > > Thanks. > >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 04:32:18PM +0200, Max Power wrote: >>> Hi guys! >>> >>> I copied my files from Debian [ext4] to my new server OpenBSD [5.7 >>> amd64], >>> and I found that all files of 'ROOT' group were imported [in OpenBSD] in >>> the 'Wheel' group. >>> Why is this? >>> >>> [Owner is the same, there is no change.] >>> >>> Thank fro reply. >>> >> >> wheel is the new root. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_(Unix_term) >> >> -- >> Gilles Chehade >> >> https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
Re: GROUP CHANGED
On 2015-06-14 16.46.53 +0200, Max Power wrote: > Only the group is changed. > But why the owner is remained the same [root]? > On OpenBSD, I can not get root:root ? No: $ grep ^root /etc/group $ > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 04:32:18PM +0200, Max Power wrote: > >> Hi guys! > >> > >> I copied my files from Debian [ext4] to my new server OpenBSD [5.7 > >> amd64], > >> and I found that all files of 'ROOT' group were imported [in OpenBSD] in > >> the 'Wheel' group. > >> Why is this? > >> > >> [Owner is the same, there is no change.] > >> > >> Thank fro reply. > >> > > > > wheel is the new root. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_(Unix_term) > > > > -- > > Gilles Chehade > > > > https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
GROUP CHANGED
Thank You Gilles for Your reply. Only the group is changed. But why the owner is remained the same [root]? On OpenBSD, I can not get root:root ? Thanks. > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 04:32:18PM +0200, Max Power wrote: >> Hi guys! >> >> I copied my files from Debian [ext4] to my new server OpenBSD [5.7 >> amd64], >> and I found that all files of 'ROOT' group were imported [in OpenBSD] in >> the 'Wheel' group. >> Why is this? >> >> [Owner is the same, there is no change.] >> >> Thank fro reply. >> > > wheel is the new root. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_(Unix_term) > > -- > Gilles Chehade > > https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
Re: GROUP CHANGED
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 04:32:18PM +0200, Max Power wrote: > Hi guys! > > I copied my files from Debian [ext4] to my new server OpenBSD [5.7 amd64], > and I found that all files of 'ROOT' group were imported [in OpenBSD] in > the 'Wheel' group. > Why is this? > > [Owner is the same, there is no change.] > > Thank fro reply. > wheel is the new root. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_(Unix_term) -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
GROUP CHANGED
Hi guys! I copied my files from Debian [ext4] to my new server OpenBSD [5.7 amd64], and I found that all files of 'ROOT' group were imported [in OpenBSD] in the 'Wheel' group. Why is this? [Owner is the same, there is no change.] Thank fro reply.
