Re: Linux Driver Violates BSD License

2007-08-29 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 29/08/2007, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 8/28/07, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Normally I wouldn't repeat undeadly stuff here on misc@, but I'm sure
   many of you will want to know.
  
   http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20070829001634
  
  
   And if you do this kind of thing, it's worth letting the rest of the
   world in on this:
   http://digg.com/linux_unix/Lnux_Driver_Violated_BSD_License
 
  I am currently having a discussion about dual licensing, and am a bit
  confused. Is Reyk and others working on this drivers code dual
  licensed (from the diff it doesn't seem like it is, since I see a BSD
  3 Clause)? Also say I submit a patch for this driver, does that mean
  this will have to be dual licensed also or can I choose if it is BSD 3
  Clause or GPLv2?

 Well, there are two parts to the Atheros driver.

 Reyk's code is *NOT* dual-licensed under the GPL.  So there is no
 issue with Reyk's code.  He has explicitly stated that his code is not
 dual-licenced.  The file have no GPL on them.  He's the author, he
 said so.  None else can add a GPL to it.  (No matter how much Luis
 begs and pleads and whines).

 The other part of the driver was written by Sam Leffler.  Sam's code,
 though, is dual-licenced with a 4-term BSD'ish license (it has only 3
 terms, but the wrong term was deleted, and the attribution term was
 actually strengthened -- read the license).  The GPL annotation in the
 licenses says specifically --

  * Alternatively, this software may be distributed under the terms of the
  * GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 as published by the Free
  * Software Foundation.

 Note that word Alternatively.

 That means or.

 That means that if anyone makes changes to that file and distributes it,
 after their changes are in the file then EITHER license will apply.

 Since it says Alternatively / Or, we can simply take any of those
 new changes UNDER THE LICENSE WE PREFER, and commit them to our file
 which is NOT dual licensed.  If they want to use the GPL to restrict
 our use -- that is us, the original authors, see -- they should work
 on seperate files.

 Note there are some files out there that don't use words like or or
 alternatively when they mix licenses.  One must read what the
 license says very carefully.  Trying to brush everything into the same
 simple catagories will get you nowhere.

 As a commentary, it seems as if many people have tired of the make my
 own license game, and now are playing the mix licenses in my own
 way game.  And the interpret it in the way that is most beneficial
 to me game.

 Simpler said, I don't know why they have to be such jerks.  Luis in
 particular has been ragging on Reyk for years to dual license his
 code, and won't take no for an answer.  It's already totally free code,
 but apparently there is some stupid Linus rule that says that all the
 code must not be free  n it can't just be free, it has to
 be SPECIFICALLY GPL.  Now I know that's not the truth, because the Linux
 tree is FULL of objectional code that either has CSRG licences on it, or
 no license at all.

 Now he's saying that Linux people should basically ignore Reyk's
 license.  Well screw you Luis, that is precisely not what you will do
 -- you uneducated twit.  Copyright is law.  You will obey it.


 Anyways, hope that explained the question you asked, FOR THIS PARTICULAR
 CASE.  As I say, read the exact files, and the exact licenses.


BTW, since this is misc@openbsd.org, people might be interested to
know about the history of the licensing terms of ath(4) in OpenBSD.


OpenBSD's ath(4) consists of two parts:

1. a driver, copyrighted by Sam Leffler of FreeBSD

2. a HAL, copyrighted by Reyk Floeter of OpenBSD


What Theo explained above concerns the OpenHAL code.  OpenHAL is the
Linux name for madwifi driver connected with reyk's entirely free and
open source ath(4) HAL code.

Sam originally put a dual BSD/GPL licence onto his driver code.

Reyk always put a BSD-style licence onto his HAL code.

At the time OpenHAL was forked from OpenBSD, OpenBSD's ath(4)
_driver_, but _not the HAL_, was dual licensed.


As already mentioned, OpenBSD's ath(4) HAL, written by Reyk, was
_never_ dual licensed. See the history on
/sys/dev/ic/{ar52{10,11,12}{.c,{reg,var}.h},ar5xxx.{c,h}}.

http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/ic/#ar5210.c


Few months ago, Sam changed the licence of _his_ code to a 2-clause
BSD licence. Sam had every right to do so, because he was and is the
only copyright holder of that code, as the licence header of the
driver file indicates, in FreeBSD, OpenBSD etc.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ath/if_ath.c#rev1.170
http://www.freshbsd.org/2007/06/06?project=freebsdcommitter=sam


Reyk committed Sam's changes to OpenBSD the same day, so now,
OpenBSD's ath(4) is _entirely_ BSD-licensed, with no alternative
licensing available.

http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/ic/ath.c#rev1.64

Linux Driver Violates BSD License

2007-08-28 Thread Darrin Chandler
Normally I wouldn't repeat undeadly stuff here on misc@, but I'm sure
many of you will want to know.

http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20070829001634


And if you do this kind of thing, it's worth letting the rest of the
world in on this:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Lnux_Driver_Violated_BSD_License

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Re: Linux Driver Violates BSD License

2007-08-28 Thread djgoku
On 8/28/07, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Normally I wouldn't repeat undeadly stuff here on misc@, but I'm sure
 many of you will want to know.

 http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20070829001634


 And if you do this kind of thing, it's worth letting the rest of the
 world in on this:
 http://digg.com/linux_unix/Lnux_Driver_Violated_BSD_License

I am currently having a discussion about dual licensing, and am a bit
confused. Is Reyk and others working on this drivers code dual
licensed (from the diff it doesn't seem like it is, since I see a BSD
3 Clause)? Also say I submit a patch for this driver, does that mean
this will have to be dual licensed also or can I choose if it is BSD 3
Clause or GPLv2?



Re: Linux Driver Violates BSD License

2007-08-28 Thread Theo de Raadt
 On 8/28/07, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Normally I wouldn't repeat undeadly stuff here on misc@, but I'm sure
  many of you will want to know.
 
  http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20070829001634
 
 
  And if you do this kind of thing, it's worth letting the rest of the
  world in on this:
  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Lnux_Driver_Violated_BSD_License
 
 I am currently having a discussion about dual licensing, and am a bit
 confused. Is Reyk and others working on this drivers code dual
 licensed (from the diff it doesn't seem like it is, since I see a BSD
 3 Clause)? Also say I submit a patch for this driver, does that mean
 this will have to be dual licensed also or can I choose if it is BSD 3
 Clause or GPLv2?

Well, there are two parts to the Atheros driver.

Reyk's code is *NOT* dual-licensed under the GPL.  So there is no
issue with Reyk's code.  He has explicitly stated that his code is not
dual-licenced.  The file have no GPL on them.  He's the author, he
said so.  None else can add a GPL to it.  (No matter how much Luis
begs and pleads and whines).

The other part of the driver was written by Sam Leffler.  Sam's code,
though, is dual-licenced with a 4-term BSD'ish license (it has only 3
terms, but the wrong term was deleted, and the attribution term was
actually strengthened -- read the license).  The GPL annotation in the
licenses says specifically --

 * Alternatively, this software may be distributed under the terms of the
 * GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 as published by the Free
 * Software Foundation.

Note that word Alternatively.

That means or.

That means that if anyone makes changes to that file and distributes it,
after their changes are in the file then EITHER license will apply.

Since it says Alternatively / Or, we can simply take any of those
new changes UNDER THE LICENSE WE PREFER, and commit them to our file
which is NOT dual licensed.  If they want to use the GPL to restrict
our use -- that is us, the original authors, see -- they should work
on seperate files.

Note there are some files out there that don't use words like or or
alternatively when they mix licenses.  One must read what the
license says very carefully.  Trying to brush everything into the same
simple catagories will get you nowhere.

As a commentary, it seems as if many people have tired of the make my
own license game, and now are playing the mix licenses in my own
way game.  And the interpret it in the way that is most beneficial
to me game.

Simpler said, I don't know why they have to be such jerks.  Luis in
particular has been ragging on Reyk for years to dual license his
code, and won't take no for an answer.  It's already totally free code,
but apparently there is some stupid Linus rule that says that all the
code must not be free  n it can't just be free, it has to
be SPECIFICALLY GPL.  Now I know that's not the truth, because the Linux
tree is FULL of objectional code that either has CSRG licences on it, or
no license at all.

Now he's saying that Linux people should basically ignore Reyk's
license.  Well screw you Luis, that is precisely not what you will do
-- you uneducated twit.  Copyright is law.  You will obey it.


Anyways, hope that explained the question you asked, FOR THIS PARTICULAR
CASE.  As I say, read the exact files, and the exact licenses.