Re: More on the Atheros driver situation

2007-09-01 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Saturday 01 September 2007, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Well, it looks like the Linux wireless people have decided that their
> relatively small modifications to the Atheros driver will be GPL'd,
> and not given back to improve the driver in the *BSD world.
>
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=118857712529898&w=2
>
> All the email addresses you need to mail to express your distaste
> at this are right in that mail, except for one, which is
> Eben Moglen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
>
> I've done what I can for now; Good luck to the rest of you.

No worries Theo. That's easy to fix. Just delete the GPL license and
copyright statement from the source files and replace that GNU shit
with a nice, clean the BSD license.

In fact, while we're at it, let's make a BSD licensed fork of GCC. With
a little regex magic, we could have the new BCC fork done by tomorrow.

(for those idiots who understand neither sarcasm nor copyright law,
please ignore this post)

jcr



Re: More on the Atheros driver situation

2007-09-01 Thread Darren Spruell
On 9/1/07, Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If code is released under copyright. be it BSD, or GPL, and someone
> other than the author(s) changes the license, can the person(s)
> who(m) made the changes seriously expect that somebody else cannot
> take that code under the terms of the original license, or some
> other license _they_ prefer and do the same?

Someone other than the authors _cannot_ change the license. Neither of
these licenses grants anyone rights to change or remove licenses of
the distributed code. In fact, they explicitly state that the license
(and copyright) must stay intact. (New material can have a new license
clause appended to it, but that is completely different than what
you're talking about.)

This whole escapade would be a lot simpler if people would stop
relying on guesswork and assumptions for matters they do not
understand. For most matters like these in the real world, the
preferred behavior is to clam up until you study and understand it,
and then engage in commentary.

Read Theo's earlier email on the matter. He explains it quite well.

 http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118861134304239&w=2

DS



Re: More on the Atheros driver situation

2007-09-01 Thread Steven

* Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070901 10:45]:

Well, it looks like the Linux wireless people have decided that their
relatively small modifications to the Atheros driver will be GPL'd,
and not given back to improve the driver in the *BSD world.


If code is released under copyright. be it BSD, or GPL, and someone
other than the author(s) changes the license, can the person(s)
who(m) made the changes seriously expect that somebody else cannot
take that code under the terms of the original license, or some
other license _they_ prefer and do the same?

If I sound confused, it's probably because I am.  :-\

--
W. Steven Schneider  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>