Re: Puffy Security smtpd out of date ( closed )
On 2019-03-11 16:38, Gilles Chehade wrote: > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:34:58AM +, Geir Svalland wrote: >> On 2019-03-11 09:58, Janne Johansson wrote: >>> Den fre 8 mars 2019 kl 20:59 skrev Sean Kamath : > It's a shame good work like this is > of no use anymore. According to my opinion, it's well written and easy to > follow. > So, I???ll take issue with the ???well written??? part of that. It doesn???t do much in the way of explaining anything, just a lot of ???put this here???, ???put that there???. >>> The intro to The Book of PF has a REALLY good mantra here on the "This >>> is not a HOWTO" >>> https://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/preface.html >>> >>> I feel it applies equally well to running your own mail server as >>> building your own firewall. >> Well, that was your 2cents to the discussion. >> We all have a right to a opinion and we all are on different levels of >> knowledge and might have different >> milestones when learning. Some times I like to dig deeper, and some >> times I just want something up'n >> running as fast as possible in a somewhat safe and secure way. Then >> taking care of the "why and what's." >> >> I've been running both Sendmail and Postfix for years without any major >> difficulties, but this is my first >> try on OpenSMTP. >> >> After a couple of days of googling, I found this article : >> https://poolp.org/posts/2018-05-21/switching-to-opensmtpd-new-config/ >> >> and got very surprised that none of the "know better's" didn't know >> about this, or didn't care to >> enlighten me and pointing me in this direction. This was exactly what I >> was looking for. >> > glad it helps, though keep in mind that I'm writing about code that is on > my laptop or that's very very very fresh and likely to change. > > we're nearly a year apart from that post and I can't even remember all of > the changes, fixes and improvements. Thank you for your answer. Yes, I understand it's been a lot of progress since then and started to catch up on the excellent man pages :-) /Hasse
Re: Puffy Security smtpd out of date ( closed )
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:34:58AM +, Geir Svalland wrote: > > On 2019-03-11 09:58, Janne Johansson wrote: > > Den fre 8 mars 2019 kl 20:59 skrev Sean Kamath : > >>> It's a shame good work like this is > >>> of no use anymore. According to my opinion, it's well written and easy to > >>> follow. > >>> > >> So, I???ll take issue with the ???well written??? part of that. It > >> doesn???t do much in the way of explaining anything, just a lot of ???put > >> this here???, ???put that there???. > > The intro to The Book of PF has a REALLY good mantra here on the "This > > is not a HOWTO" > > https://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/preface.html > > > > I feel it applies equally well to running your own mail server as > > building your own firewall. > > Well, that was your 2cents to the discussion. > We all have a right to a opinion and we all are on different levels of > knowledge and might have different > milestones when learning. Some times I like to dig deeper, and some > times I just want something up'n > running as fast as possible in a somewhat safe and secure way. Then > taking care of the "why and what's." > > I've been running both Sendmail and Postfix for years without any major > difficulties, but this is my first > try on OpenSMTP. > > After a couple of days of googling, I found this article : > https://poolp.org/posts/2018-05-21/switching-to-opensmtpd-new-config/ > > and got very surprised that none of the "know better's" didn't know > about this, or didn't care to > enlighten me and pointing me in this direction. This was exactly what I > was looking for. > glad it helps, though keep in mind that I'm writing about code that is on my laptop or that's very very very fresh and likely to change. we're nearly a year apart from that post and I can't even remember all of the changes, fixes and improvements. -- Gilles Chehade @poolpOrg https://www.poolp.org tip me: https://paypal.me/poolpOrg
Re: Puffy Security smtpd out of date ( closed )
On 2019-03-11 09:58, Janne Johansson wrote: > Den fre 8 mars 2019 kl 20:59 skrev Sean Kamath : >>> It's a shame good work like this is >>> of no use anymore. According to my opinion, it's well written and easy to >>> follow. >>> >> So, I’ll take issue with the “well written” part of that. It doesn’t do >> much in the way of explaining anything, just a lot of “put this here”, “put >> that there”. > The intro to The Book of PF has a REALLY good mantra here on the "This > is not a HOWTO" > https://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/preface.html > > I feel it applies equally well to running your own mail server as > building your own firewall. Well, that was your 2cents to the discussion. We all have a right to a opinion and we all are on different levels of knowledge and might have different milestones when learning. Some times I like to dig deeper, and some times I just want something up'n running as fast as possible in a somewhat safe and secure way. Then taking care of the "why and what's." I've been running both Sendmail and Postfix for years without any major difficulties, but this is my first try on OpenSMTP. After a couple of days of googling, I found this article : https://poolp.org/posts/2018-05-21/switching-to-opensmtpd-new-config/ and got very surprised that none of the "know better's" didn't know about this, or didn't care to enlighten me and pointing me in this direction. This was exactly what I was looking for. /Hasse
Re: Puffy Security smtpd out of date ( closed )
Den fre 8 mars 2019 kl 20:59 skrev Sean Kamath : > > It's a shame good work like this is > > of no use anymore. According to my opinion, it's well written and easy to > > follow. > > > > So, I’ll take issue with the “well written” part of that. It doesn’t do much > in the way of explaining anything, just a lot of “put this here”, “put that > there”. The intro to The Book of PF has a REALLY good mantra here on the "This is not a HOWTO" https://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/preface.html I feel it applies equally well to running your own mail server as building your own firewall. -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
Re: Puffy Security smtpd out of date ( closed )
> On Mar 8, 2019, at 10:38, Geir Svalland wrote: > > It's a shame good work like > this is > of no use anymore. According to my opinion, it's well written and easy > to follow. > > /Hasse So, I’ll take issue with the “well written” part of that. It doesn’t do much in the way of explaining anything, just a lot of “put this here”, “put that there”. I used https://frozen-geek.net/openbsd-email-server-1/ (and the second part) when I was migrating from Solaris (for reasons — I’ve had mailservers running on Solaris since about 1992, when it was SunOS) to OpenBSD (hosted on Vultr; I’ve been using OpenBSD since 2.6 or so, mostly for firewalls). I would argue that this is better from the standpoint of explaining why things are the way they are (in the doc), with examples, and, even though it was a little out of date, I found it easy to understand the underlying concepts pretty easily (granted, as I’ve said, I’ve been running mail servers forever, but OpenBSD brings some interesting differences (mostly in PF-enabled routing of connections). Of course, how to docs tend to be a personal thing… Now to stop dragging my heals on upgrading from 6.3 -> 6.4. . . Sean
Re: Puffy Security smtpd out of date ( closed )
Thanks to everybody who answered my post. Even those who rose their finger at me for posting this to the list. I've sent a note to Thomas Dwyer with a heads up on this outdated tutorial, and asked if it's possible to get an update. It's a shame good work like this is of no use anymore. According to my opinion, it's well written and easy to follow. /Hasse
