Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
Quick update on this. My intel iMac came this week and of course will not boot off a 3.8 cd as it uses EFI instead of BIOS. There's currently a $10,000 bounty for getting XP to boot: http://windowsxp.onmac.net There's also a FAQ tracking some of what's been tried, including some having bricked their machines and how to fix it: http://appleintelfaq.com/ There are also links to outputs from various commands like the OS X dmesg (http://appleintelfaq.com/imac/dmesg.html). I'm flat out in the day job at the moment but the machine is sitting here serving as a jukebox at the moment so if anyone has ideas on things to try that won't take too much time then fire away... -N
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
I fail to see what this has to do with OpenBSD. On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 05:51:36PM -0500, Nick Bender wrote: Quick update on this. My intel iMac came this week and of course will not boot off a 3.8 cd as it uses EFI instead of BIOS. There's currently a $10,000 bounty for getting XP to boot: http://windowsxp.onmac.net There's also a FAQ tracking some of what's been tried, including some having bricked their machines and how to fix it: http://appleintelfaq.com/ There are also links to outputs from various commands like the OS X dmesg (http://appleintelfaq.com/imac/dmesg.html). I'm flat out in the day job at the moment but the machine is sitting here serving as a jukebox at the moment so if anyone has ideas on things to try that won't take too much time then fire away... -N
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
Not sure that it is any relevant. Now if you were talking about having OpenBSD boot and run on Sun T1000 with the new T1 processor, then that might be a lot more interesting and nice challenge however! (: I would chip in for that!!! Having XP on iMac, no interest to me... May be the results would be spreading virus faster! (; Nick Bender wrote: Quick update on this. My intel iMac came this week and of course will not boot off a 3.8 cd as it uses EFI instead of BIOS. There's currently a $10,000 bounty for getting XP to boot: http://windowsxp.onmac.net There's also a FAQ tracking some of what's been tried, including some having bricked their machines and how to fix it: http://appleintelfaq.com/ There are also links to outputs from various commands like the OS X dmesg (http://appleintelfaq.com/imac/dmesg.html). I'm flat out in the day job at the moment but the machine is sitting here serving as a jukebox at the moment so if anyone has ideas on things to try that won't take too much time then fire away... -N
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
thus Constantine A. Murenin spake: On 11/01/06, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as phil schiller confirmed, those intel 'Macs' run Windoze (TM) out of the box. i bet OpenBSD does, too ;) I think he confirmed that Apple isn't going to do anything to prevent other operating systems from running, but this does not mean that they'll work out-of-the-box with no special hacks. C. as those machines use EFI (as Itanic boxen do, too), Windows Vista will run without additional patches, as EFI is supposed to replace the PeeCee BIOS; in 1998 -- IIRC -- the 'Intel Boot Initiative' was founded for doing this. timo
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] so spake Dries Schellekens (gwyllion): The final Intel Macs use EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface) instead of the old BIOS. So a new boot loader is required. Maybe code can be borrowed from FreeBSD ia64. EFI has a legacy mode that is supposedly BIOS-compatible. It's really pointless to speculate until someone actually tries booting OpenBSD on one of them. - todd
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
Thus Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:24:07 -0600: I think you should donate one to every member of OpenBSD. I'll bet it'll be supported in no time :-) On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:52:20PM +, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: Hi, I know it's kind of early, but is OpenBSD/i386 going to run peacefully on the yesterday-announced Apple MacBook Pro, or for that matter the iMac with Intel Code Duo processor? :-) Anyone has any plans on this matter? Cheers, Constantine. as phil schiller confirmed, those intel 'Macs' run Windoze (TM) out of the box. i bet OpenBSD does, too ;)
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
I know it's kind of early, but is OpenBSD/i386 going to run peacefully on the yesterday-announced Apple MacBook Pro, or for that matter the iMac with Intel Code Duo processor? :-) Give us one, then we'll be able to tell you.
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
Constantine A. Murenin wrote: I know it's kind of early, but is OpenBSD/i386 going to run peacefully on the yesterday-announced Apple MacBook Pro, or for that matter the iMac with Intel Code Duo processor? :-) Probably, once you donate a few of them to the OpenBSD developers. ;) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
I have one of the developer transition systems: Machine Name: Apple Development Platform Machine Model:ADP2,1 CPU Type: ADP2,1 Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed:3.6 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB CPU Features: FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM SSE3 MON DSCPL EST TM2 CX16 TPR Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed:800 MHz Boot ROM Version: EV91510A.86X.0450.2005.0513.0933 (Intel Corp.) It boots from the 3.8 CD just fine. I didn't see much point in trying to do much with it with respect to OpenBSD since they are not production. Now they are offering to exchange it for one of the new iMacs, which I plan on doing as soon as they fix the web form and let me order it. When I get that I'll post full details... -N
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
Thus Nick Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:40:26 -0500: I have one of the developer transition systems: Machine Name: Apple Development Platform Machine Model: ADP2,1 CPU Type: ADP2,1 Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 3.6 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB CPU Features: FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM SSE3 MON DSCPL EST TM2 CX16 TPR Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 800 MHz Boot ROM Version: EV91510A.86X.0450.2005.0513.0933 (Intel Corp.) It boots from the 3.8 CD just fine. I didn't see much point in trying to do much with it with respect to OpenBSD since they are not production. Now they are offering to exchange it for one of the new iMacs, which I plan on doing as soon as they fix the web form and let me order it. When I get that I'll post full details... -N whew, is that a 3.6GHz P4 in a preproduction 'MacBook Pro'?
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
Timo Schoeler wrote: as phil schiller confirmed, those intel 'Macs' run Windoze (TM) out of the box. i bet OpenBSD does, too ;) Yes, if OpenBSD supports EFI booting. Those new Intel Macs use the Itanium (and future x86) method, not clunky old bios. But I've been unable to find out if OpenBSD has a compatible bootloader for that. Noth
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
No, the preproduction systems were desktop, not portable systems. They were basically standard PC guts in a G5 case. Timo Schoeler wrote: Thus Nick Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:40:26 -0500: I have one of the developer transition systems: Machine Name: Apple Development Platform Machine Model:ADP2,1 CPU Type: ADP2,1 Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed:3.6 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB CPU Features: FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM SSE3 MON DSCPL EST TM2 CX16 TPR Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed:800 MHz Boot ROM Version: EV91510A.86X.0450.2005.0513.0933 (Intel Corp.) It boots from the 3.8 CD just fine. I didn't see much point in trying to do much with it with respect to OpenBSD since they are not production. Now they are offering to exchange it for one of the new iMacs, which I plan on doing as soon as they fix the web form and let me order it. When I get that I'll post full details... -N whew, is that a 3.6GHz P4 in a preproduction 'MacBook Pro'?
Re: Apple MacBook Pro support
On Wednesday, January 11, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: Anyone has any plans on this matter? Do you have enough money to buy a few (note, more than 2) developers the required hardware, along with the documentation (if they are not using a standard PC bios) to do the port? Are you willing to part ways with it? If you say yes to both, I'll devote some time to having a good look at it... :) --Toby.
