Re: FW: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..

2007-10-25 Thread L. V. Lammert

At 05:08 PM 10/25/2007 -0400, Stuart VanZee wrote:

I finally get it...

LEE! YOU ARE A FUCKING GENIUS!


Beautiful!

[Taking Bow]



Re: FW: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..

2007-10-25 Thread Piotrek Kapczuk
2007/10/25, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 At 05:08 PM 10/25/2007 -0400, Stuart VanZee wrote:
 I finally get it...
 
 LEE! YOU ARE A FUCKING GENIUS!

[+]

 you mean security from those bad
 guys, apparently you are talking about security from the
 damn sheep who couldn't break the system if their lives
 depended on it so they don't even try.
[+]

  if you take security in the context of people trying
 to break the system (and we always are, fuck the sheep)

ROTFL

 Beautiful!

I concur ;)

You just don't get it, do you ?
Maybe you understand the word 'security' in a some different way that
others here.

Security is like a chain. You wrote about 'viewpoint'. Your
'viewpoint' - 'application domain'  is just one link in this chain.
People here are thinking about  whole chain.

Virtualization in theory may strengthen this 'chain'. But,  in reality
 it makes whole 'chain' weaker. That's because you add one link
'application domain separation' (which is OK), but you automatically
*have* to add another link 'VM implementation bugs'.  The latter make
this 'chain' weaker that it is without it.

How much worse is it ? That's another question. I use VMware ESX and
IBM pSeries virtualization products. The first is unacceptable for
mission critical tasks the latter is (for my specific 'chain' )

You clearly are not a security expert, so please, do not make
statements as one.


Piotr Kapczuk