Re: Web mail
Well, it is not necessary to use MySQL, because roundcube supports sqlite which is smaller and more efficient for this task (per account preferences, address book, etc...). Lars Hansson wrote: On Thursday 20 July 2006 03:32, Whyzzi wrote: Requires MySQL And the rational reason for a webmail system to require a RDBMS backend is? --- Lars Hansson
Re: Web mail
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 01:29:34PM -0700, smith wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:22:13 -0500, Eric Johnson wrote > > Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on > > OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes? > > > > Eric Johnson > > Someone posted a question about a week or two ago for a chrooted web-based > email system. Nick Holland (I think) wrote how if you really understood > programming, you would know how extremely difficult implementing a chrooted > web-based email system really is. (This is my words, Nick probably meant or > said something else entirely but that's what I got out of it even if I'm > mistaken.) > > Anyways Nick suggested Openwebmail. I tried it and I would say without a > doubt it's the easiest to install. It was hard to figure it out for me but > after I did, I said to myself, that was easy. > > Here's what you do: > > Get sendmail running and spamd (most of this requires only uncommenting lines > in several configuration files). Now you have a spam fighting MTA. > > Use pkg_add openwebmail to install it. This will install all the > dependencies. Read the readme.txt file on openwebmail's website. It shows > how to change the rights (chmod) of a few files in > /var/www/cgi-bin/openwebmail/*. These same files are owned by user 276 for > some reason, you need to change the owner to the right user but I forget which > (I think root). Now read man ssl to get httpd running with with https. Add > httpd_flags="-u -DSSL". Now go into /var/www/conf/httpd.conf and modify it so > that all http request go to https. This is in the virtual table section. > Then reboot. > > The beauty is this: I don't need pop or imap or mysql or php or python or ruby > installed. All I need is a base openbsd system and openwebmail (using > pkg_add). > > You may want to read man starttls too so that your MTA can encrypt email to > any MTA that understands and uses starttls. > > One other guy posted that openwebmail doesn't support maildir. Maildir is > supposedly better, but with valid reasons. Even though those reasons sound > good I haven't come across any reasons that say mbox should not be used or is > not capable of handling a significant amount of users. Sendmail with mbox has > been around handling thousands of users in universities and corporations way > before qmail and postfix came about so sendmail and mbox should be more than > adequate. One thing I've read that's a disadvantage to maildir is that you > can run out of inodes and that's bad when it happens. Keep in mind, I'm no > big times email administrator so take this with a grain of salt but this has > been my experience and research so far. I'd be glad to hear from some people > how I'm wrong on this. I would find it interesting. > jaut a comment concerning chrooted webmail. Concerning "hastymail" I found the following: http://hastymail.sourceforge.net/install.php go to paragraph #5 Thanks George
Re: Web mail
Lars Hansson wrote: On Thursday 20 July 2006 03:32, Whyzzi wrote: Requires MySQL And the rational reason for a webmail system to require a RDBMS backend is? Preferences and address books at least. Once you've got more than a handful of users, it gets a little silly keeping all that in flat files. You could use something like BDB or whatever, but then you're likely to hit more versioning and platform issues. Some systems will also use a DB for other things. The H3 versions of IMP can do things like send a automagically-created link to a file instead of an attachment, and it keeps the authentication and expiration information for that in the DB from what I understand. It would be nice if the software didn't *require* a DB, but I can see how requiring one makes things simpler for the developers. --Todd
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On 2006/07/19 14:21, Freddy Moya wrote: > In packages is horde, you can too search in the net about neomail. horde needs an update for a security problem. someone with spare time should try updating it and send the maintainer a diff...it's unlikely to be difficult. roundcube is nice but ajax-only, which is a problem for some users. hastymail is reasonably nice and the docs tell you about chroot'ed install. this comes up fairly often, the list archives will find some more. there's different software for different users and without more information about what's needed, nobody can make a good suggestion, just try some...
Re: Web mail
On Thursday 20 July 2006 03:32, Whyzzi wrote: > Requires MySQL And the rational reason for a webmail system to require a RDBMS backend is? --- Lars Hansson
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Eric Johnson wrote: Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes? I've used Horde/IMP for several years now and like it. I wouldn't exactly call it "easy to install," though - look around online for walkthroughs, as certain parts of it get messy. --Todd
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:22:13 -0500, Eric Johnson wrote > Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on > OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes? > > Eric Johnson Someone posted a question about a week or two ago for a chrooted web-based email system. Nick Holland (I think) wrote how if you really understood programming, you would know how extremely difficult implementing a chrooted web-based email system really is. (This is my words, Nick probably meant or said something else entirely but that's what I got out of it even if I'm mistaken.) Anyways Nick suggested Openwebmail. I tried it and I would say without a doubt it's the easiest to install. It was hard to figure it out for me but after I did, I said to myself, that was easy. Here's what you do: Get sendmail running and spamd (most of this requires only uncommenting lines in several configuration files). Now you have a spam fighting MTA. Use pkg_add openwebmail to install it. This will install all the dependencies. Read the readme.txt file on openwebmail's website. It shows how to change the rights (chmod) of a few files in /var/www/cgi-bin/openwebmail/*. These same files are owned by user 276 for some reason, you need to change the owner to the right user but I forget which (I think root). Now read man ssl to get httpd running with with https. Add httpd_flags="-u -DSSL". Now go into /var/www/conf/httpd.conf and modify it so that all http request go to https. This is in the virtual table section. Then reboot. The beauty is this: I don't need pop or imap or mysql or php or python or ruby installed. All I need is a base openbsd system and openwebmail (using pkg_add). You may want to read man starttls too so that your MTA can encrypt email to any MTA that understands and uses starttls. One other guy posted that openwebmail doesn't support maildir. Maildir is supposedly better, but with valid reasons. Even though those reasons sound good I haven't come across any reasons that say mbox should not be used or is not capable of handling a significant amount of users. Sendmail with mbox has been around handling thousands of users in universities and corporations way before qmail and postfix came about so sendmail and mbox should be more than adequate. One thing I've read that's a disadvantage to maildir is that you can run out of inodes and that's bad when it happens. Keep in mind, I'm no big times email administrator so take this with a grain of salt but this has been my experience and research so far. I'd be glad to hear from some people how I'm wrong on this. I would find it interesting.
Re: Web mail
It is pretty new still, but I replaced SquirrelMail with it because SquirrelMail is terrible. People seemed to like the change. Very simple to configure, and it's pretty. but it's pretty good too :) -- Hi, I'm a .signature virus! Copy me to your .signature file and help me propagate, thanks!
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 07:26:01PM +0200, FTP wrote: > one problem though, it doesn't support the maildir format :-( there is a unofficial/suckz patch/openwebmail to make maildir support at http://www.agneau.org/openwebmail/ *the squirrelmail is a better choice* // gsoares
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I second roundcube nomination. The SquirrelMail 1.5.x CVS tree is .. correct that.. ahem .. was wy better than 1.4.x, but 1.5 has been beyond hope for some time now. RoundCube is where it's at. Requires MySQL, and still missing a search feature, but it pretty much works right out of the box. It has been a few months since I last checked out 1.5.x squirrelmail. Maybe it's gotten better since. On 19/07/06, Kian Mohageri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.roundcube.net/ It is pretty new still, but I replaced SquirrelMail with it because SquirrelMail is terrible. People seemed to like the change. Very simple to configure, and it's pretty. -Kian On 7/19/06, Bachman Kharazmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ > pkg_info > > ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz > Information for > > ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz > > Comment: > highly configurable webmail client > > Description: > Open WebMail is a webmail system designed to manage very large mail folder > files in a memory efficient way. It also provides a range of features to > help users migrate smoothly from Microsoft Outlook to Open WebMail. > > FEATURES: > - > 1. fast folder access > 2. efficient messages movement > 3. smaller memory footprint > 4. convenient folder and message operation > 5. graceful filelock > 6. remote SMTP relaying > 7. virtual hosting and account alias > 8. pam support > 9. per user capability configuration > 10. full content search > 11. strong MIME message capability > 12. draft folder support > 13. spelling check support > 14. POP3 mail support > 15. mail filter support > 16. message count preview > 17. confirm reading support > 18. BIG5/GB conversion (for Chinese only) > > Maintainer: Kevin Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > WWW: http://www.openwebmail.org/ > > /bkw > > On 19/07/06, Eric Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on > > OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes?
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2006/7/19, Bachman Kharazmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ > pkg_info ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz Information for ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz Comment: highly configurable webmail client Description: Open WebMail is a webmail system designed to manage very large mail folder files in a memory efficient way. It also provides a range of features to help users migrate smoothly from Microsoft Outlook to Open WebMail. FEATURES: - 1. fast folder access 2. efficient messages movement 3. smaller memory footprint 4. convenient folder and message operation 5. graceful filelock 6. remote SMTP relaying 7. virtual hosting and account alias 8. pam support 9. per user capability configuration 10. full content search 11. strong MIME message capability 12. draft folder support 13. spelling check support 14. POP3 mail support 15. mail filter support 16. message count preview 17. confirm reading support 18. BIG5/GB conversion (for Chinese only) Maintainer: Kevin Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WWW: http://www.openwebmail.org/ /bkw On 19/07/06, Eric Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on > OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes? In packages is horde, you can too search in the net about neomail. Both are webmail for easy use.
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one problem though, it doesn't support the maildir format :-( George On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 06:59:06PM +0200, Bachman Kharazmi wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ > pkg_info > ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz > Information for > ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz > > Comment: > highly configurable webmail client > > Description: > Open WebMail is a webmail system designed to manage very large mail folder > files in a memory efficient way. It also provides a range of features to > help users migrate smoothly from Microsoft Outlook to Open WebMail. > > FEATURES: > - > 1. fast folder access > 2. efficient messages movement > 3. smaller memory footprint > 4. convenient folder and message operation > 5. graceful filelock > 6. remote SMTP relaying > 7. virtual hosting and account alias > 8. pam support > 9. per user capability configuration > 10. full content search > 11. strong MIME message capability > 12. draft folder support > 13. spelling check support > 14. POP3 mail support > 15. mail filter support > 16. message count preview > 17. confirm reading support > 18. BIG5/GB conversion (for Chinese only) > > Maintainer: Kevin Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > WWW: http://www.openwebmail.org/ > > /bkw > > On 19/07/06, Eric Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on > >OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes?
Re: Web mail
http://www.roundcube.net/ It is pretty new still, but I replaced SquirrelMail with it because SquirrelMail is terrible. People seemed to like the change. Very simple to configure, and it's pretty. -Kian On 7/19/06, Bachman Kharazmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ > pkg_info > > ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz > Information for > > ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz > > Comment: > highly configurable webmail client > > Description: > Open WebMail is a webmail system designed to manage very large mail folder > files in a memory efficient way. It also provides a range of features to > help users migrate smoothly from Microsoft Outlook to Open WebMail. > > FEATURES: > - > 1. fast folder access > 2. efficient messages movement > 3. smaller memory footprint > 4. convenient folder and message operation > 5. graceful filelock > 6. remote SMTP relaying > 7. virtual hosting and account alias > 8. pam support > 9. per user capability configuration > 10. full content search > 11. strong MIME message capability > 12. draft folder support > 13. spelling check support > 14. POP3 mail support > 15. mail filter support > 16. message count preview > 17. confirm reading support > 18. BIG5/GB conversion (for Chinese only) > > Maintainer: Kevin Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > WWW: http://www.openwebmail.org/ > > /bkw > > On 19/07/06, Eric Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on > > OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ > pkg_info ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz Information for ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/OpenBSD/3.9/packages/i386/openwebmail-2.51.tgz Comment: highly configurable webmail client Description: Open WebMail is a webmail system designed to manage very large mail folder files in a memory efficient way. It also provides a range of features to help users migrate smoothly from Microsoft Outlook to Open WebMail. FEATURES: - 1. fast folder access 2. efficient messages movement 3. smaller memory footprint 4. convenient folder and message operation 5. graceful filelock 6. remote SMTP relaying 7. virtual hosting and account alias 8. pam support 9. per user capability configuration 10. full content search 11. strong MIME message capability 12. draft folder support 13. spelling check support 14. POP3 mail support 15. mail filter support 16. message count preview 17. confirm reading support 18. BIG5/GB conversion (for Chinese only) Maintainer: Kevin Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WWW: http://www.openwebmail.org/ /bkw On 19/07/06, Eric Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes?
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Eric Johnson wrote: Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes? Ilohamail works for me and in my opinion it's better than Squirrelmail. There is a demo version on the site. If you have a working (IMAP/POP3) server you can try it out before installing it. I am not aware of its security history though, you have to search that yourself. http://blog.ilohamail.org/ https://ssl.ilohamail.org/devdemo/ (development demo) Antti Harri
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Eric Johnson wrote: Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes? Eric Johnson I've been using the sendmail (configured for Internet use) that was part of the OBSD 3.7 install on my two servers for the past 6 months, with zero problems or security-related incidents. -- -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/ . http://robertwittig.net/
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 07:22:13AM -0500, Eric Johnson wrote: > Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on > OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes? > > Eric Johnson > http://www.squirrelmail.org/ // gsoares
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http://www.squirrelmail.org/ May be not easiest to install, because of specific PHP requirements, but manageable. Haven't heard about security problems much, and also don't really know of any good alternative. Thanks, Pawel. Eric Johnson wrote: Which web mail package is easiest to install and use on OpenBSD? Are there any gaping security holes? Eric Johnson
