Re: github
On 2016-08-07 14.44.58 +0200, Dariusz Sendkowski wrote: > Is this https://github.com/openbsd the official OpenBSD github site? > Do you have any plans to move the OpenBSD source code repository to github? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=134408828426309&w=2
Re: github
Thanks. Original message From: Mike Burns Date: 8/7/16 14:51 (GMT+01:00) To: Dariusz Sendkowski Cc: misc Subject: Re: github On 2016-08-07 14.44.58 +0200, Dariusz Sendkowski wrote: > Is this https://github.com/openbsd the official OpenBSD github site? > Do you have any plans to move the OpenBSD source code repository to github? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=134408828426309&w=2
Re: github
Hi, Dariusz Sendkowski wrote on Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 02:44:58PM +0200: > Is this https://github.com/openbsd the official OpenBSD github site? As one of the OpenBSD developers, i don't know and frankly i don't care. You certainly shouldn't trust it in any way. Personally, i consider github commercial crap that is utterly unusable for anything. If you send me a github link, i'm very likely to completely ignore it even if i would in principle be quite interested in the content, simply because i'm not willing to waste my time on the crappy user interface. > Do you have any plans to move the OpenBSD source code repository > to github? Absolutely not. The OpenBSD repository will remain secure and will not be outsourced to a random third party. Even if OpenBSD, at some point in the future, would decide to do anything with git, i would very strongly oppose doing anything official whatsoever with github. Yours, Ingo
Re: github
On 16:43 Sun 07 Aug, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > > Do you have any plans to move the OpenBSD source code repository > > to github? > > Absolutely not. The OpenBSD repository will remain secure and > will not be outsourced to a random third party. I'm sorry, are we talking about the same OpenBSD CVS tree that does not offer any kind of encryption and transfers all your data in plain over the network (except for developers who use SSH of course)? How's that secure? Moreover, Git itself allows you to check what the hell is going on using your local history (e.g. git pull will not work without some love if somebody changes your repo on the GitHub side without your awareness). Also signed commits FWIW.
Re: github
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:59:07 +0300 > From: con...@gmx.com > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: github > > On 16:43 Sun 07 Aug, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >>> Do you have any plans to move the OpenBSD source code repository >>> to github? >> >> Absolutely not. The OpenBSD repository will remain secure and >> will not be outsourced to a random third party. > > I'm sorry, are we talking about the same OpenBSD CVS tree that does not > offer any kind of encryption and transfers all your data in plain over > the network (except for developers who use SSH of course)? How's that > secure? > > Moreover, Git itself allows you to check what the hell is going on using > your local history (e.g. git pull will not work without some love if > somebody changes your repo on the GitHub side without your awareness). > Also signed commits FWIW. And github offers two-factor authentication, so if enabled, not simple to hack the account.
Re: github
On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 11:17:21AM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: > > Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:59:07 +0300 > > From: con...@gmx.com > > To: > misc@openbsd.org > > Subject: Re: github > > > > And github offers two-factor authentication, so if enabled, not simple > to hack the account. > Github is running OpenBSD? I didn't know that. That's a relief. I wouldn't trust any of my critical data with any less secure Operating Ayatem.
Re: github
On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Donald Allen wrote: >> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:59:07 +0300 >> From: con...@gmx.com >> To: > misc@openbsd.org >> Subject: Re: github >> >> On 16:43 Sun 07 Aug, Ingo Schwarze > wrote: >>>> Do you have any plans to move the OpenBSD source code repository >>>> to github? >>> >>> Absolutely not. The OpenBSD repository will remain > secure and >>> will not be outsourced to a random third party. >> >> I'm sorry, > are we talking about the same OpenBSD CVS tree that does not >> offer any kind > of encryption and transfers all your data in plain over >> the network (except > for developers who use SSH of course)? How's that >> secure? >> >> Moreover, Git > itself allows you to check what the hell is going on using >> your local > history (e.g. git pull will not work without some love if >> somebody changes > your repo on the GitHub side without your awareness). >> Also signed commits > FWIW. > > And github offers two-factor authentication, so if enabled, not simple > to hack the account. > The openBSD tree is duplicated over the SSH protocol, not HTTPS; You are spreading miss information. -- - () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\
Re: github
On 10:35 Sun 07 Aug, Chris Bennett wrote: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 11:17:21AM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:59:07 +0300 > > > From: con...@gmx.com > > > To: > > misc@openbsd.org > > > Subject: Re: github > > > > > > > And github offers two-factor authentication, so if enabled, not simple > > to hack the account. > > > > Github is running OpenBSD? I didn't know that. > That's a relief. I wouldn't trust any of my critical data with any less > secure Operating Ayatem. Sign your commits with GPG. Looky, a link: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Signing-Your-Work Not that hard, is it?
Re: github
On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 06:43:02PM +0300, Consus wrote: > Sign your commits with GPG. Looky, a link: > > https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Signing-Your-Work > > Not that hard, is it? > OK, you win. Would you do me a favor first. Before this big move, could you make a commit to the OpenBSD CVS tree? Anything would do. Just find a file that has spaces where it should have tabs. Commit your diff. Once you do that, I think all of the developers will be easily convinced to move to Github.
Re: github
On 10:56 Sun 07 Aug, Chris Bennett wrote: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 06:43:02PM +0300, Consus wrote: > > Sign your commits with GPG. Looky, a link: > > > > https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Signing-Your-Work > > > > Not that hard, is it? > > > > OK, you win. > > Would you do me a favor first. > Before this big move, could you make a commit to the OpenBSD CVS tree? > Anything would do. Just find a file that has spaces where it should have > tabs. Commit your diff. Once you do that, I think all of the developers > will be easily convinced to move to Github. Err... What?
Re: github
Ingo Schwarze wrote: Hi, Dariusz Sendkowski wrote on Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 02:44:58PM +0200: Is this https://github.com/openbsd the official OpenBSD github site? As one of the OpenBSD developers, i don't know and frankly i don't care. You certainly shouldn't trust it in any way. It seems this discussion has gone on quite a while without stating the obvious: 1. The developers are happy with CVS. 2. As is, OpenBSD has full goddawmitey control of their source repository whereas on GitHub it would belong to a corporation. Doesn't that simply end the discussion right there? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: github
2016-08-07 18:00 GMT+02:00 Consus : > On 10:56 Sun 07 Aug, Chris Bennett wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 06:43:02PM +0300, Consus wrote: >> > Sign your commits with GPG. Looky, a link: >> > >> > https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Signing-Your-Work >> > >> > Not that hard, is it? >> > >> >> OK, you win. >> >> Would you do me a favor first. >> Before this big move, could you make a commit to the OpenBSD CVS tree? >> Anything would do. Just find a file that has spaces where it should have >> tabs. Commit your diff. Once you do that, I think all of the developers >> will be easily convinced to move to Github. > > Err... What? > You are talking big while not contributing to the project. -- Cordialement, Coues Ludovic +336 148 743 42
Re: github
On 18:12 Sun 07 Aug, ludovic coues wrote: > 2016-08-07 18:00 GMT+02:00 Consus : > > On 10:56 Sun 07 Aug, Chris Bennett wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 06:43:02PM +0300, Consus wrote: > >> > Sign your commits with GPG. Looky, a link: > >> > > >> > https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Signing-Your-Work > >> > > >> > Not that hard, is it? > >> > > >> > >> OK, you win. > >> > >> Would you do me a favor first. > >> Before this big move, could you make a commit to the OpenBSD CVS tree? > >> Anything would do. Just find a file that has spaces where it should have > >> tabs. Commit your diff. Once you do that, I think all of the developers > >> will be easily convinced to move to Github. > > > > Err... What? > > > > You are talking big while not contributing to the project. So? I'm not stating YOU GUYS SHOULD MOVE TO GITHUB RIGHT NOW. I'm stating that "github is not secure" is bullshit.
Re: github
>From all discussions: 1) a solution looking for a problem 2) the problems github tries to address are not considered urgent nor important problems by OpenBSD developers 3) migration cost/benefit is not worth it - and using 2 different methods of VC take away focus from the team". On Sunday, 7 August 2016, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Dariusz Sendkowski wrote on Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 02:44:58PM +0200: >> >> Is this https://github.com/openbsd the official OpenBSD github site? >>> >> As one of the OpenBSD developers, i don't know and frankly i don't >> care. You certainly shouldn't trust it in any way. >> > > It seems this discussion has gone on quite a while without stating the > obvious: > > 1. The developers are happy with CVS. > 2. As is, OpenBSD has full goddawmitey control of their source repository > whereas on GitHub it would belong to a corporation. > > Doesn't that simply end the discussion right there? > > -- > Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of > www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the > universe > www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - > Carl Sagan
Re: github
> On 18:12 Sun 07 Aug, ludovic coues wrote: > > 2016-08-07 18:00 GMT+02:00 Consus : > > > On 10:56 Sun 07 Aug, Chris Bennett wrote: > > >> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 06:43:02PM +0300, Consus wrote: > > >> > Sign your commits with GPG. Looky, a link: > > >> > > > >> > https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Signing-Your-Work > > >> > > > >> > Not that hard, is it? > > >> > > > >> > > >> OK, you win. > > >> > > >> Would you do me a favor first. > > >> Before this big move, could you make a commit to the OpenBSD CVS tree? > > >> Anything would do. Just find a file that has spaces where it should have > > >> tabs. Commit your diff. Once you do that, I think all of the developers > > >> will be easily convinced to move to Github. > > > > > > Err... What? > > > > > > > You are talking big while not contributing to the project. > > So? I'm not stating YOU GUYS SHOULD MOVE TO GITHUB RIGHT NOW. I'm > stating that "github is not secure" is bullshit. > Just stop it. We are not going to listen to you.
Re: github
On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 10:06:56AM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > whereas on GitHub it would belong to a corporation. > > Doesn't that simply end the discussion right there? Yes. This thread has been informative to me. Forget the silly move from CVS part, never was an issue. I did NOT know that GitHub was a corporation. I find that very disturbing. Extremely disturbing. May all your pkg_* include: pkg_delete git So there was a jewel to be found in this thread. Thank you all for this. Sorry if I was a bit noisy, I'm just so tired of seeing so many projects hooked on git. It's like a fad. What's next? Turdd. Shitt. Crapplee.
Re: github
2016-08-07 18:42 GMT+02:00 Chris Bennett < chrisbenn...@bennettconstruction.us>: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 10:06:56AM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > whereas on GitHub it would belong to a corporation. > > > > Doesn't that simply end the discussion right there? > > Yes. > This thread has been informative to me. > Forget the silly move from CVS part, never was an issue. > > I did NOT know that GitHub was a corporation. I find that very > disturbing. Extremely disturbing. > > May all your pkg_* include: > pkg_delete git > I'm afraid you're confusing git with github. > > So there was a jewel to be found in this thread. > Thank you all for this. > > Sorry if I was a bit noisy, I'm just so tired of seeing so many projects > hooked on git. It's like a fad. What's next? Turdd. Shitt. Crapplee.
Re: github
OpenBSD is using CVS solely, but for my own purposes I started to mirror src to github recently using cvs2gitdump tool. I do this since I find git log/git show more friendly than CVS provided tools... If you are interested see https://github.com/kgardas/openbsd-src -- CAVEAT! Do not trust the source code there and especially do not use it for your own OpenBSD build. In case of any doubts please use OpenBSD CVS's src as a reference. BTW I've tried to search among src's mirror on github.com but all were out-dated and needed to have src in git after spacehopper.org's git stopped working... On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Dariusz Sendkowski wrote: > 2016-08-07 18:42 GMT+02:00 Chris Bennett < > chrisbenn...@bennettconstruction.us>: > >> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 10:06:56AM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: >> > whereas on GitHub it would belong to a corporation. >> > >> > Doesn't that simply end the discussion right there? >> >> Yes. >> This thread has been informative to me. >> Forget the silly move from CVS part, never was an issue. >> >> I did NOT know that GitHub was a corporation. I find that very >> disturbing. Extremely disturbing. >> >> May all your pkg_* include: >> pkg_delete git >> > > > I'm afraid you're confusing git with github. > > > >> >> So there was a jewel to be found in this thread. >> Thank you all for this. >> >> Sorry if I was a bit noisy, I'm just so tired of seeing so many projects >> hooked on git. It's like a fad. What's next? Turdd. Shitt. Crapplee.
Re: github
On 08/07/16 08:44, Dariusz Sendkowski wrote: > Is this http://[bullshit deleted]/openbsd the official OpenBSD github site? I find this part terrifying. Nowhere on the OpenBSD website mentions github as anything official. So you just assumed that the seven letters, "openbsd", in that order, makes it officially part of the project? No. Examples of this will be found all over the Internet. How about lock graphics on websites and the word "secure"? Internet 101: anyone can put anything in any URL. Or twisting Duke Ellington, "It don't mean a thing, just 'cause it has a string" Nick.
Re: github
Nick Holland, 07 Aug 2016 23:36: > > Is this http://[bullshit deleted]/openbsd the official OpenBSD github site? > > I find this part terrifying. > > Nowhere on the OpenBSD website mentions github as anything official. So > you just assumed that the seven letters, "openbsd", in that order, makes > it officially part of the project? No. Examples of this will be found > all over the Internet. i am confused about the shock and terror. i don't have code on github, but through ports we are all github users in one way or another. github is popular and everyone and his dog has either their official repo or a mirror on there. so while taking github links at face value is not correct, it happens all the time and until something else replaces it, it will get only worse. and that brings me to my second point. impersonating projects/persons on popular services (twitter, etc) is as old as domain squating and while it's ok for the openbsd project to totally ignore these filthy nasty new age services, another low friction and low time investment approach could have been to proactively take these usernames/urls and put placeholders or links to the official project site. -f -- the greatest hate springs from the greatest love.
Re: github
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 11:42 +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
> [...] another low friction and low time investment approach could
> have been to proactively take these usernames/urls and put
> placeholders or links to the official project site.
Why should the project do put up links on its site for any rando
dood{,ette}'s repo/site? It doesn't make any sense.
Re: github
Karel Gardas [gard...@gmail.com] wrote: > OpenBSD is using CVS solely, but for my own purposes I started to > mirror src to github recently using cvs2gitdump tool. I do this since > I find git log/git show more friendly than CVS provided tools... If > you are interested see https://github.com/kgardas/openbsd-src -- Thank you. I personally find these git browsers to be convenient, mostly because I can look at one entire commit in a click. So, this depends on cvs2gitdump being accurately able to identify commits that are part of the same action. For my regular diff browsing, it's probably fine :)
Re: github
Nick Holland wrote: >Nowhere on the OpenBSD website mentions github as anything official. It does on this page: https://www.openbsd.org/libressl/. Its even above the cvs link. Of course this is just for libressl not for the rest of openbsd.
Re: github
On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:56:30 -0700 David Schmidt wrote: > Nick Holland wrote: > >Nowhere on the OpenBSD website mentions github as anything > >official. > > It does on this page: https://www.openbsd.org/libressl/. Its even > above the cvs link. Of course this is just for libressl not for the > rest of openbsd. > Nice observation David :) Now regarding those libressl n00bz... I mean github... really? REALLY? *disclaimer* This is sarcasm, I'm just trolling. Personally I don't like github in the same way I don't like any other 'cloud' service, but that's just me. -- Before enlightenment - chop wood, draw water. After enlightenment - chop wood, draw water. Marko Cupać https://www.mimar.rs/
Re: github
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:56 PM, David Schmidt wrote: > Nick Holland wrote: > >Nowhere on the OpenBSD website mentions github as anything official. > > It does on this page: https://www.openbsd.org/libressl/. Its even > above the cvs link. Of course this is just for libressl not for the > rest of openbsd. > > We use github as a mirrorâ for LibreSSL-portable and OpenNTPD-portable too. It's not unlike the official python github mirror, which is synced from that project's Mercurial repo: https://github.com/python/cpython If you have patches for the openbsd@ side of these projects, it is best to just email them to tech@, since the OpenBSD devs only have so many places they will look for patches on a regular basis. Using git format-patch, send-email or similar work well in my experience. On the 'portable' side, github PRs are fine, since I'm using git natively and can fetch from the github mirror directly.
Re: Github has openbsd_hammer2fs
There are lots of projects on Github. Sometimes, they have the word "openbsd" in the title or README. Those are added by the author. Any discussion about inclusion in OpenBSD will happen on the OpenBSD mailing lists, and most certainly not in any github project, pr, issue, or whatever else they have. Until it has been committed to the OpenBSD src tree, it won't be included in the default system. On 2023 Aug 22 (Tue) at 16:28:08 + (+), dues_openbsd wrote: :hi, dears. :recently, I get the email by friends :it says Github has openbsd_hammer2fs and makefs. : :Is that means. It will be "The OpenBSD can use The Modern journaling file system". : :The OpenBSD could be include "openbsd_hammer2fs" in default system? : :(I know "google summer code 2011" says "hammer2fs will be in OpenBSD ". but, rejected, is that correct?) : :https://github.com/kusumi/openbsd_hammer2 : :https://github.com/kusumi/makefs
Re: Github has openbsd_hammer2fs
On 2023-08-22, dues_openbsd wrote: > hi, dears. > recently, I get the email by friends > it says Github has openbsd_hammer2fs and makefs. yes, seen that in january. kusumi (who is working on hammer2 in dragonfly and has accounts there+netbsd) has diffs for *read-only* hammer2 on freebsd/netbsd/openbsd, i'm not aware of it being done with reference to openbsd devs however. > Is that means. It will be "The OpenBSD can use The Modern journaling file > system". > > The OpenBSD could be include "openbsd_hammer2fs" in default system? all it means at the moment is "there's some code on github". > (I know "google summer code 2011" says "hammer2fs will be in OpenBSD ". but, > rejected, is that correct?) i don't recall the details though looking at the proposal now, i think the suggest timescale is rather optimistic. > > https://github.com/kusumi/openbsd_hammer2 > > https://github.com/kusumi/makefs -- Please keep replies on the mailing list.
Re: Github/Bitbucket free alternative
Tito Mari Francis Escaño wrote: > Hi everyone, > I'm trying to develop web apps on OpenBSD but Github and even Bitbucket > seems to think that only Windows and/or Linux are the platforms so I feel > forced to use VS Code that runs only on those systems. > Can somebody please point me to alternative free online code repository > services that I can use with OpenBSD? > Thanks and stay safe everyone :) It's almost like some a software ecosystem pandemic is happening. Stay safe.
Re: Github/Bitbucket free alternative
On Mon, Apr 04, 2022 at 01:07:49PM +0800, Tito Mari Francis Escaño wrote: > Hi everyone, > I'm trying to develop web apps on OpenBSD but Github and even Bitbucket > seems to think that only Windows and/or Linux are the platforms so I feel > forced to use VS Code that runs only on those systems. > Can somebody please point me to alternative free online code repository > services that I can use with OpenBSD? > Thanks and stay safe everyone :) I use git and the gh cli with github on OpenBSD without issues. As you do not tell use what your actual issues are it's hard to help you. -Otto
Re: Github/Bitbucket free alternative
On Mon, Apr 04, 2022 at 01:07:49PM +0800, Tito Mari Francis Escaño said: > I'm trying to develop web apps on OpenBSD but Github and even Bitbucket > seems to think that only Windows and/or Linux are the platforms so I feel > forced to use VS Code that runs only on those systems. git(1) works just fine on OpenBSD. --Matt
