Re: Real men don't attack sign men
Marc Balmer wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: I doubt someone who is truly unfriendly could organize a hackathon, a friendly social event. He may be perfectly friendly to others. What is relevant is that he tends to be unfriendly to me. What is relevant is that you are a hypocrite and come to our mailing lists talking bullshit about OpenBSD. You do not only offend Theo, but all of the OpenBSD / OpenSSH developers. And many of the OpenBSD users, as well, who appreciate the work done by the OpenBSD developers and do not wish to see the project slagged off the cuff by people in the spotlight. Breeno
Re: Real men don't attack sign men
I doubt someone who is truly unfriendly could organize a hackathon, a friendly social event. He may be perfectly friendly to others. What is relevant is that he tends to be unfriendly to me. The same argument could be made about your unfriendliness. We could not talk to you since you have *proven* to be unfriendly: http://z505.com/images/gnu-sign.png I criticized ATI firmly when it refused to release the specs for its chips. I'm happy to say that in October another ATI speaker came to MIT and announced that ATI was supporting development of free drivers. I shook his hand. I was also told that my protest had made an impression at ATI, so I think it played a role in bringing about the change in policies. However, that was nothing on the scale of unfriendliness compared to what Theo has said to me -- both in this discussion, and previously. I used the word unfriendly as a deliberate understatement, because I did not want to start an argument about that side issue. (Others chose, in a hypersensitive fashion, to do so anyway.) I reserve my unfriendliness, such as it is, for the enemies of the free software movement -- which does not include OpenBSD. I have never urged people not to use OpenBSD. I do not campaign against OpenBSD and never did.
Re: Real men don't attack sign men
Richard Stallman wrote: I doubt someone who is truly unfriendly could organize a hackathon, a friendly social event. He may be perfectly friendly to others. What is relevant is that he tends to be unfriendly to me. What is relevant is that you are a hypocrite and come to our mailing lists talking bullshit about OpenBSD. You do not only offend Theo, but all of the OpenBSD / OpenSSH developers. We put a lot of effort into making a free operating system which is accompanied by a free ports system. Your stanzas are just pure insult. Someone acting like you must not complain about Theo being unfriendly. You call for it. Theo is only being direct and he is right. The same argument could be made about your unfriendliness. We could not talk to you since you have *proven* to be unfriendly: http://z505.com/images/gnu-sign.png I criticized ATI firmly when it refused to release the specs for its chips. I'm happy to say that in October another ATI speaker came to MIT and announced that ATI was supporting development of free drivers. I shook his hand. I was also told that my protest had made an impression at ATI, so I think it played a role in bringing about the change in policies. However, that was nothing on the scale of unfriendliness compared to what Theo has said to me -- both in this discussion, and previously. I used the word unfriendly as a deliberate understatement, because I did not want to start an argument about that side issue. (Others chose, in a hypersensitive fashion, to do so anyway.) I reserve my unfriendliness, such as it is, for the enemies of the free software movement -- which does not include OpenBSD. I have never urged people not to use OpenBSD. I do not campaign against OpenBSD and never did.
Re: Real men don't attack sign men
Not calling someone unfriendly and just focusing on the conversation/technical details at hand, would be much more friendly.. even considering friendship wasn't the subject of discussion in the first place. Someone else attacked me on this list for not discussing this with Theo. I explained the reason in the gentlest way I could think of. The same argument could be made about your unfriendliness. We could not talk to you since you have *proven* to be unfriendly: http://z505.com/images/gnu-sign.png Any programmer or philosopher worth his salt can appear critical, analytical, or unfriendly at times. Security experts especially. I doubt someone who is truly unfriendly could organize a hackathon, a friendly social event. Remember, this is just email after all, Stallman. Take some of it with a grain of salt. Any time someone brings up the fact that openbsd has unfriendly programmers, we are to call them on it. Label it as: The OpenBSD Cliche Cliche: an idea that has been overused to the point of losing its intended force or novelty, That way, when anyone regurgitates this same old tired openbsd programmers are unfriendly argument, we can redirect them to a FUQ or FAQ. An example demonstration of this: Bum Bum wrote in message: blah blah blah OpenBSD programmers are unfriendly blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Not friendly blah blah Don't use it blah blah blah Because they are unfriendly blah blah blah Hello Bum Bum, that is an invalid argument. Please see: The OpenBSD Cliche. It is in the FUQ under the beaten dead horse section. Regards, L505 A philosopher who did not hurt anyone's feelings was not doing his job. --Plato (source: Wikipedia) A programmer who did not hurt anyone's feelings was not doing his job. --L505 (source: Z505)
