Re: : Rosetta Stone for Unix
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 10:52:24PM -0500, Denny White wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 03:01:22PM +0200, Han Boetes wrote: > > > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > > > http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > > > > > > > As always, it is a shame that those types of pages have so many > > > > errors. > > > > > > > > [snip: examples] > > > > It is just sad. > > > > > > It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. > > > > > > > > > # Han > > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 11:11:26AM -0500, Marco Peereboom spoke thusly: > > Right, let me put on my hippie robes so that we can sing koombaya. > > Obviously it doesn't matter that website is spewing shit; it is the > > thought that counts. > > > > For what it's worth, I never meant to stir up a hornet's nest on the > list. The guy's got a mailto link and welcomes all corrections. He > answers promptly, too. I guess it's being done in the spirit of open > source. You know, where everyone is welcome to pitch in constructively? > Hence, the link for "Contributions and corrections gratefully accepted". > I already wrote to him about what Theo spotted right off and got an > answer he will correct it as soon as possible. I went back again, > clicked on 'set all OS' and 'Draw table', and can find no shutdown > command ref for OpenBSD. There's just a ? there. Checked OpenBSD in > the box, again clicked 'Draw Table' and got the same. Maybe the person > who wrote the previous message pertaining to that command looked at > the wrong column. Or hell, maybe I did. It's apparent it's a work in > progress. Kind of like release schedules, applying patches, etc. Things > improve with time. Why not pitch in and help the guy? Or not. Point is, > he's trying. I guess he could take the 'Sysadmin' out at the top of the > page, possibly misleading to a newbie, but he's also got good links to > the OpenBSD FAQ's and man pages. Those ARE definitive guides and users > are warned about that early on, both in the documentation and on the > mailing lists. If they choose to try to shortcut and use something they > found like on the site in question and it bites them in the butt, they > only have themselves to blame. I don't think any sysadmin worth his > salt would blindly follow everything on the site. > +1 > > -- > > Denny White > > === > GnuPG key : 0x1644E79A | http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net > Fingerprint: D0A9 AD44 1F10 E09E 0E67 EC25 CB44 F2E5 1644 E79A > === -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
> On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 03:01:22PM +0200, Han Boetes wrote: > > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > > http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > > > > > As always, it is a shame that those types of pages have so many > > > errors. > > > > > > [snip: examples] > > > It is just sad. > > > > It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. > > > > > > # Han > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 11:11:26AM -0500, Marco Peereboom spoke thusly: > Right, let me put on my hippie robes so that we can sing koombaya. > Obviously it doesn't matter that website is spewing shit; it is the > thought that counts. > For what it's worth, I never meant to stir up a hornet's nest on the list. The guy's got a mailto link and welcomes all corrections. He answers promptly, too. I guess it's being done in the spirit of open source. You know, where everyone is welcome to pitch in constructively? Hence, the link for "Contributions and corrections gratefully accepted". I already wrote to him about what Theo spotted right off and got an answer he will correct it as soon as possible. I went back again, clicked on 'set all OS' and 'Draw table', and can find no shutdown command ref for OpenBSD. There's just a ? there. Checked OpenBSD in the box, again clicked 'Draw Table' and got the same. Maybe the person who wrote the previous message pertaining to that command looked at the wrong column. Or hell, maybe I did. It's apparent it's a work in progress. Kind of like release schedules, applying patches, etc. Things improve with time. Why not pitch in and help the guy? Or not. Point is, he's trying. I guess he could take the 'Sysadmin' out at the top of the page, possibly misleading to a newbie, but he's also got good links to the OpenBSD FAQ's and man pages. Those ARE definitive guides and users are warned about that early on, both in the documentation and on the mailing lists. If they choose to try to shortcut and use something they found like on the site in question and it bites them in the butt, they only have themselves to blame. I don't think any sysadmin worth his salt would blindly follow everything on the site. -- Denny White === GnuPG key : 0x1644E79A | http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net Fingerprint: D0A9 AD44 1F10 E09E 0E67 EC25 CB44 F2E5 1644 E79A ===
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
Right, let me put on my hippie robes so that we can sing koombaya. Obviously it doesn't matter that website is spewing shit; it is the thought that counts. On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 03:01:22PM +0200, Han Boetes wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > > > As always, it is a shame that those types of pages have so many > > errors. > > > > [snip: examples] > > It is just sad. > > It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. > > > # Han
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
Steve Shockley wrote: > > OpenBSD users can't shut down the system, either... > Hmmm... `shutdown -ph now` works OK for me. Is this an inside joke or something? I don't get it. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosetta-Stone-for-Unix-tp19890925p19903293.html Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
Theo de Raadt wrote: > > http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > As always, it is a shame that those types of pages have so many > errors. > > [snip: examples] > It is just sad. It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. # Han
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
Ted Unangst wrote: And here I was wondering why NetBSD users can monitor performance with top and netstat, but OpenBSD users can't. OpenBSD users can't shut down the system, either...
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:09:16PM -0600, Theo de Raadt spoke thusly: > > Thought this was pretty useful and interesting, especially for those > > of us who aren't on the same level as developers and gurus. And for > > them, there's also a contributions and corrections link. > > > > http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > As always, it is a shame that those types of pages have so many > errors. > > For instance, check out the disklabel section. 2 out of 4 answers > being right is still only 50% accurate. > > With that level of accuracy, the name is incredibly poorly chosen; > perhaps they don't even know what the name refers to. It refers to a > "document" that contained an accurate translation of the same text > into different languages and therefore it was possible to decipher an > unknown language. With this level of accuracy, that would be impossible. > > It is just sad. > You're absolutely right about the mistakes in that section. I used the mail link on the page to let him know. -- Denny White === GnuPG key : 0x1644E79A | http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net Fingerprint: D0A9 AD44 1F10 E09E 0E67 EC25 CB44 F2E5 1644 E79A ===
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thought this was pretty useful and interesting, especially for those >> of us who aren't on the same level as developers and gurus. And for >> them, there's also a contributions and corrections link. >> >> http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > As always, it is a shame that those types of pages have so many > errors. And here I was wondering why NetBSD users can monitor performance with top and netstat, but OpenBSD users can't.
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
> As always, it is a shame that those types of pages have so many > errors. > > For instance, check out the disklabel section. 2 out of 4 answers > being right is still only 50% accurate. Is that because the information is outdated (it was once correct) or is it plain wrong (it was never the case) > With that level of accuracy, the name is incredibly poorly chosen; > perhaps they don't even know what the name refers to. It refers to a > "document" that contained an accurate translation of the same text > into different languages and therefore it was possible to decipher an > unknown language. With this level of accuracy, that would be impossible. > > It is just sad. I didn't know the origins of "the rosetta stone" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone you learn something new everyday! :) http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/
Re: Rosetta Stone for Unix
> Thought this was pretty useful and interesting, especially for those > of us who aren't on the same level as developers and gurus. And for > them, there's also a contributions and corrections link. > > http://bhami.com/rosetta.html As always, it is a shame that those types of pages have so many errors. For instance, check out the disklabel section. 2 out of 4 answers being right is still only 50% accurate. With that level of accuracy, the name is incredibly poorly chosen; perhaps they don't even know what the name refers to. It refers to a "document" that contained an accurate translation of the same text into different languages and therefore it was possible to decipher an unknown language. With this level of accuracy, that would be impossible. It is just sad.
Rosetta Stone for Unix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thought this was pretty useful and interesting, especially for those of us who aren't on the same level as developers and gurus. And for them, there's also a contributions and corrections link. http://bhami.com/rosetta.html Found it in the 10/07/2008 entry on DragonFly BSD Digest at http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2008/10/07/3210.html - -- Denny White === GnuPG key : 0x1644E79A | http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net Fingerprint: D0A9 AD44 1F10 E09E 0E67 EC25 CB44 F2E5 1644 E79A === iEYEARECAAYFAkjtYsMACgkQy0Ty5RZE55qG2ACfe3yj8LzWofuEkqqJpz6xJ11z yuMAn0HxDrTRipTqCR7zI4T7fPWoQE9i =SQCb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
