" Learn to swim with sharks." [Was: Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])]
On 10/09/06 17:39, steve szmidt wrote: Learn to swim with sharks... =Very= stupid remark. Let's take "shark" number one: Theo. This shark doesn't bite or swallow, gives away the results of lots of his personal work and thinking, higly dedicated to do things as well as he can. Is extremely busy, on the edge of what he can handle as a human being. What you probably try to say is that people get rude reactions over here if they post stupid remarks. Do you know a better way to stop people posting stupid remarks while keeping this list open for anyone interested? If people keep posting stupid things "because they try to swim with the sharks" they can expect only one thing: more extreme reactions. This is the only known way a truly open list like this can be regulated and kept open. If you believe there is another way, please shut up about it here, start a list yourselves and prove it works. +++chefren
Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
On Monday 09 October 2006 03:52, Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu wrote: > > You know what I can't stand... Bullying! That's what's going on > > here. Eh, no doubt you are right. I've not followed the thread, but I know that if people are not bullied here something is wrong. This is by far the worst list I've been on, but I hang on inspite of it. Being close to pulse has it's advantages... Having lived in Cape Town for a few years I know you guys are probably tough Boers, and either way can take care of yourselves. Which is really all you can hope for here. Learn to swim with sharks... -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles
Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
On Oct 9, 2006, at 1:52 AM, Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu wrote: > Wees geduldig en dink oor wat jy se. That could pretty much be applied to most conversationalists in this list :-) Now knock it off! This is way too much fun to read and I have work to do. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Han Boetes
> Sent: 07 October 2006 09:02 PM
> To: misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re:
Intel's
> Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
>
> You know what I can't stand... Bullying! That's what's going on
> here.
>
> I'm the operator on an #openbsd channel, and I know exactly what
> happens when somebody start ranting about how {GPL, Windows,
> Linux, FreeBSD,...} sucks. Another guy is a happy user and before
> you know it you have a flamewar going on.
>
> So whenever somebody brings up a sensitive subject like that, I
> say something like `This channel is for people who love OpenBSD,
> not for people that hate XXX'
>
> That's how I keep the peace, the channel friendly and the
> discussions interesting.
>
> And I do the same the other way around when people start whining
> about BSD related stuff.
>
> But when I defend with rational arguments and in a polite way the
> merrits of the GPL percieved as by many developers and companies
> _without_ insulting the BSD license, but merely by pointing out a
> practical problem, I get flamed, insulted, threatened and called a
> troll!
>
> That... is bullying! That is a what people do who _want_ flamewars
> and insults to keep flying.
>
> So you think the GPL is fair game? Go ahead, remove all the
> GPL-licensed code from OpenBSD!
>
> All I want is respect for the opinion the other guys, just like I
> defend *BSD when someone starts ranting against it!
>
>
>
> # Han
Han.
Verskoon die dialek, ek is Afrikaans.
Jou woorde was "Restrictions on freedom is a good thing".
Jy moet erken dai hierdie woorde in opposisie is met die BSD lisensie.
Dit is hoekom almal vir jou kwaad is, omdat dit duidelik is dat jy die
GPL bo die BSD lisensie ag.
Die hele rede vir die bestaan van BSD is die lisensie.
Jou woorde skep beelde van OpenBSD onder 'n GPL lisensie, en dit word
hewig teengestaan hier.
Die ander lede baklei slegs vir iets waaring hulle glo, die basis van
die werk wat hulle doen. Wees geduldig en dink oor wat jy se.
Marius.
Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
Can you please take your rants elsewhere?
> You know what I can't stand... Bullying! That's what's going on
> here.
>
> I'm the operator on an #openbsd channel, and I know exactly what
> happens when somebody start ranting about how {GPL, Windows,
> Linux, FreeBSD,...} sucks. Another guy is a happy user and before
> you know it you have a flamewar going on.
>
> So whenever somebody brings up a sensitive subject like that, I
> say something like `This channel is for people who love OpenBSD,
> not for people that hate XXX'
>
> That's how I keep the peace, the channel friendly and the
> discussions interesting.
>
> And I do the same the other way around when people start whining
> about BSD related stuff.
>
> But when I defend with rational arguments and in a polite way the
> merrits of the GPL percieved as by many developers and companies
> _without_ insulting the BSD license, but merely by pointing out a
> practical problem, I get flamed, insulted, threatened and called a
> troll!
>
> That... is bullying! That is a what people do who _want_ flamewars
> and insults to keep flying.
>
> So you think the GPL is fair game? Go ahead, remove all the
> GPL-licensed code from OpenBSD!
>
> All I want is respect for the opinion the other guys, just like I
> defend *BSD when someone starts ranting against it!
>
>
>
> # Han
Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
You know what I can't stand... Bullying! That's what's going on
here.
I'm the operator on an #openbsd channel, and I know exactly what
happens when somebody start ranting about how {GPL, Windows,
Linux, FreeBSD,...} sucks. Another guy is a happy user and before
you know it you have a flamewar going on.
So whenever somebody brings up a sensitive subject like that, I
say something like `This channel is for people who love OpenBSD,
not for people that hate XXX'
That's how I keep the peace, the channel friendly and the
discussions interesting.
And I do the same the other way around when people start whining
about BSD related stuff.
But when I defend with rational arguments and in a polite way the
merrits of the GPL percieved as by many developers and companies
_without_ insulting the BSD license, but merely by pointing out a
practical problem, I get flamed, insulted, threatened and called a
troll!
That... is bullying! That is a what people do who _want_ flamewars
and insults to keep flying.
So you think the GPL is fair game? Go ahead, remove all the
GPL-licensed code from OpenBSD!
All I want is respect for the opinion the other guys, just like I
defend *BSD when someone starts ranting against it!
# Han
Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
HITLER HITLER HITLER On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 09:24:39AM -0600, Tyler Mace wrote: > Come on now people; you're upset that this debate is even being held, > yet you fuel it's fire with your senseless replies. Arguing with a troll > makes you a troll. Ban the guy, ignore the guy, 'shut the guy up', I > don't care how you do it but for the sake of how this shit is reflecting > on the openbsd community and for the sake of my sanity, please end this > childish thread. > > Breen Ouellette wrote: > >Han Boetes wrote: > >>You lie. > >>You insult. > >>You threaten. > >> > >>I'd love to meet _you_ in person too. > > > >Well I have met him (Theo) in person several times, and I think he's a > >pretty stand up guy. I've never known him to lie, but insults and > >threats usually flow freely when he feels the behaviour of others > >warrants it. > > > >I don't know you, Han, but you have been on this list long enough to > >know that most of the time your opinion is in the minority, sometimes > >even a minority of one. There's nothing wrong with that, you are > >allowed your opinions in those places that value freedom, and many of > >us on this list come from such places. However, given the long list of > >threads where your opinion is not shared by most of us, you may want > >to think about self-imposing a limit of technical discussion only > >while on OpenBSD lists. This is Theo's sandbox (I know there are > >others in the project, but Theo is the manager, lets not start that > >argument again), which means he is gracious enough to allow you to > >remain even though he has made it obvious that he doesn't appreciate > >your opinions. If nothing else, he is true to his word about being > >open. Most others would have banned you by now. > > > >I don't want to discuss this with you because there is nothing > >positive that would come from such a discussion. I'm just trying to > >point out that there is nothing being gained any time you clash with > >the list. Hopefully you will see reason in restricting the content of > >your posts. If not you will simply be added to my block list, as I > >suspect others have already done, which will not benefit you in any way. > > > >Breeno
Re: Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
Come on now people; you're upset that this debate is even being held, yet you fuel it's fire with your senseless replies. Arguing with a troll makes you a troll. Ban the guy, ignore the guy, 'shut the guy up', I don't care how you do it but for the sake of how this shit is reflecting on the openbsd community and for the sake of my sanity, please end this childish thread. Breen Ouellette wrote: Han Boetes wrote: You lie. You insult. You threaten. I'd love to meet _you_ in person too. Well I have met him (Theo) in person several times, and I think he's a pretty stand up guy. I've never known him to lie, but insults and threats usually flow freely when he feels the behaviour of others warrants it. I don't know you, Han, but you have been on this list long enough to know that most of the time your opinion is in the minority, sometimes even a minority of one. There's nothing wrong with that, you are allowed your opinions in those places that value freedom, and many of us on this list come from such places. However, given the long list of threads where your opinion is not shared by most of us, you may want to think about self-imposing a limit of technical discussion only while on OpenBSD lists. This is Theo's sandbox (I know there are others in the project, but Theo is the manager, lets not start that argument again), which means he is gracious enough to allow you to remain even though he has made it obvious that he doesn't appreciate your opinions. If nothing else, he is true to his word about being open. Most others would have banned you by now. I don't want to discuss this with you because there is nothing positive that would come from such a discussion. I'm just trying to point out that there is nothing being gained any time you clash with the list. Hopefully you will see reason in restricting the content of your posts. If not you will simply be added to my block list, as I suspect others have already done, which will not benefit you in any way. Breeno
Self Restraint (Was: Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense])
Han Boetes wrote: You lie. You insult. You threaten. I'd love to meet _you_ in person too. Well I have met him (Theo) in person several times, and I think he's a pretty stand up guy. I've never known him to lie, but insults and threats usually flow freely when he feels the behaviour of others warrants it. I don't know you, Han, but you have been on this list long enough to know that most of the time your opinion is in the minority, sometimes even a minority of one. There's nothing wrong with that, you are allowed your opinions in those places that value freedom, and many of us on this list come from such places. However, given the long list of threads where your opinion is not shared by most of us, you may want to think about self-imposing a limit of technical discussion only while on OpenBSD lists. This is Theo's sandbox (I know there are others in the project, but Theo is the manager, lets not start that argument again), which means he is gracious enough to allow you to remain even though he has made it obvious that he doesn't appreciate your opinions. If nothing else, he is true to his word about being open. Most others would have banned you by now. I don't want to discuss this with you because there is nothing positive that would come from such a discussion. I'm just trying to point out that there is nothing being gained any time you clash with the list. Hopefully you will see reason in restricting the content of your posts. If not you will simply be added to my block list, as I suspect others have already done, which will not benefit you in any way. Breeno
