Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 03:47:02PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad > to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people > using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and > prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in > addition. Thanks to everyone who replied! Looks like Supermicro wins out, though Tyan ain't bad at all (with their quick support). I was leaning toward Supermicro anyway, and it's nice to have some confirmation. -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ |
Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?
Karsten McMinn wrote: On 8/7/06, Dustin Lundquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've used both a Tyan S2892 and Supermicro H8SSL and H8DA8, the Tyan board had a number of weird BIOS issues - some times it would boot, reset the BIOS 5 times wave a dead chicken over it and then it would work. yea, their bios updating utilty fried the prom on mine. however they dropped me a flashed chip no questions asked the next day which was impressive. its worked fine since then. I'd probably trend toward supermicro. I doubt a distinction could be made in pcb/part/solder quality. Supermicro gets a extra vote in support of their case offerings. And, for what it's worth, I believe the Supermicro cases have full sensor reporting (for the backplanes, power stuff, etc), but I think Dustin would be a better source of info on that... Nick "Life's not fair, but the root password helps"
Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?
On 8/7/06, Dustin Lundquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've used both a Tyan S2892 and Supermicro H8SSL and H8DA8, the Tyan board had a number of weird BIOS issues - some times it would boot, reset the BIOS 5 times wave a dead chicken over it and then it would work. yea, their bios updating utilty fried the prom on mine. however they dropped me a flashed chip no questions asked the next day which was impressive. its worked fine since then. I'd probably trend toward supermicro. I doubt a distinction could be made in pcb/part/solder quality. Supermicro gets a extra vote in support of their case offerings.
Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?
I've used both a Tyan S2892 and Supermicro H8SSL and H8DA8, the Tyan board had a number of weird BIOS issues - some times it would boot, reset the BIOS 5 times wave a dead chicken over it and then it would work. The only similar issues I've run into with the Supermicro boards was with the onboard Adaptec SCSI and an LSI MegaRAID on the H8DA8 and another MegaRAID in a Supermicro P4SCT, resetting the BIOS and disabling the onboard Adaptec SCSI via jumper resolved or moving the MegaRAID resolved these issues. After working with the S2892 and several older Tyan dual P3 and dual Athlon boards, my option of them is: quirky. Dustin Lundquist Darrin Chandler wrote: > Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad > to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people > using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and > prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in > addition. > > Any help *greatly* appreciated!
Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?
On 2006/08/06 15:47, Darrin Chandler wrote: > Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad > to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people > using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and > prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in > addition. Supermicro H8SSL-based (1x939, used in various systems in 1010A range) works quite nicely for the main part, though I'm having some trouble with multiport PCI-X nics (I speculate maybe any cards using an extra ppb(4), but I don't have any non-nic cards with bridges to check). dmesg: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2006-07/0271.html H8DA8 board (2x940, used in 2020A-8R) is working quite nicely with i386 UP, amd64 UP, amd64 MP. Had some lockups (just locked, no panic) with i386 MP under load. dmesg below. PCI slots on 2020A-8R are low- profile only so if you want a megaraid to connect to internal drives make sure it's a 320-1LP. Heatsinks for rackmount Supermicros are sold separately and the packaging for those is not the greatest. I've generally been pretty happy with the kit though. Tyan - haven't used myself, but they are OEM for some Sun galaxy server motherboards which have a few users... h8da8: OpenBSD 3.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #910: Thu Jul 13 20:33:16 MDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 2147086336 (2096764K) avail mem = 1835438080 (1792420K) using 22937 buffers containing 214917120 bytes (209880K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xfc160 (67 entries) bios0: Supermicro H8DA8/H8DAR ipmi at mainbus0 not configured mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) (MSI RHAPSODY) cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265, 1795.11 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265, 1794.89 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu1: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative mpbios: bus 0 is type PCI mpbios: bus 1 is type PCI mpbios: bus 2 is type PCI mpbios: bus 3 is type PCI mpbios: bus 4 is type ISA ioapic0 at mainbus0 apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 24 pins ioapic1 at mainbus0 apid 3 pa 0xfebfe000, version 11, 4 pins ioapic2 at mainbus0 apid 4 pa 0xfebff000, version 11, 4 pins pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 ppb0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "AMD 8111 PCI-PCI" rev 0x07 pci1 at ppb0 bus 3 ohci0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "AMD 8111 USB" rev 0x0b: apic 2 int 19 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: AMD OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered ohci1 at pci1 dev 0 function 1 "AMD 8111 USB" rev 0x0b: apic 2 int 19 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support usb1 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 uhub1: AMD OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered vga1 at pci1 dev 4 function 0 "ATI Rage XL" rev 0x27 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 "AMD AMD8111 LPC" rev 0x05 pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 "AMD 8111 IDE" rev 0x03: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives) atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 amdiic0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 "AMD 8111 SMBus" rev 0x02: SCI iic0 at amdiic0 admcts0 at iic0 addr 0x2c lm1 at iic0 addr 0x2d: W83627HF amdpm0 at pci0 dev 7 function 3 "AMD 8111 Power" rev 0x05: rng active iic1 at amdpm0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 "AMD 8131 PCIX" rev 0x13 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 ahd0 at pci2 dev 3 function 0 "Adaptec AIC-7902B U320" rev 0x10: apic 3 int 0 (irq 9) ahd0: aic7902, U320 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 67-100Mhz, 512 SCBs scsibus1 at ahd0: 16 targets ahd1 at pci2 dev 3 function 1 "Adaptec AIC-7902B U320" rev 0x10: apic 3 int 1 (irq 11) ahd1: aic7902, U320 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 67-100Mhz, 512 SCBs scsibus2 at ahd1: 16 targets b
Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 03:47:02PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good > or bad to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find > archives for people using one or the other, so they both seem > workable. Anyone used both and prefer one for some reason? I'm > looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in addition. We've been buying Supermicro Opterons (dual duals) for the past year or so. We're not running OpenBSD, but we've been quite pleased with the boards. -- o--{ Will Maier }--o | web:...http://www.lfod.us/ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | *--[ BSD Unix: Live Free or Die ]--*
Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?
I have used MBs from both of these manufacturers. Not with OBSD and not with AMD. I have found that both make quality server boards. The difference I have seen is that Tyan has had some quality control problems. I had a string of boards from them that had problems with the serial ports while the rest of the board functioned properly.Tyan replaced the defective boards in a timely manner so I remain a fan of Tyan. I have never had any problem with a SuperMicro board. I have built several quad Xeon servers with them and the only problem encountered was a redundant power supply failure in a SuperMicro system. No board problems. I don't think you could go wrong by selecting a product from either of these manufacturers On 8/6/06, Darrin Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad > to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people > using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and > prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in > addition. > > Any help *greatly* appreciated! > > -- > Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD Users Group > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/ > http://www.stilyagin.com/ |
Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?
Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in addition. Any help *greatly* appreciated! -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ |