Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
> Without digging them up I did a quick google on openbsd issues vultr. > It pulled some things I saw before with 6.2 and timing, as well as > issues with the base image, and other ones talking about a setting in > KVM that was causing issues on certain servers. I use Vultr, happily, but I _can_ confirm what you said. Randomly, instances will 'freeze', and be unresponsive to the network, as well as to the provided console. Looking at the settings, CPU has jumped up to 105% and plateaued, and that's it - you have to restart the instance. I spoke to their support who were very helpful, telling me: "This is an issue with OpenBSD on KVM/QEMU platforms that has yet to be patched by the developers. ... The issue is a bug in the kernel virtual machine (KVM) subsystem of the Linux kernel; the flaw was introduced in version 4.10. It's fixed in Linux kernel versions above 4.15.0." Their solution is to use their 6.3 image, which automatically applies the patch (on their end of the infrastructure), or set up your machine your way, then open a ticket, letting them know the IP and they will apply the patch manually and reboot the machine. I've done this, and will monitor for any further erratic crashes. Overall, their support has been good, and I can't speak to the speed of their network, but my OpenBSD webservers have worked flawlessly (apart from the above issue) on their infrastructure for many years. Sacha
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
> On 8. Sep 2018, at 19:55, Ken M wrote: ... > 1. Is it still current information that it would be better to use my own > image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? > I’ve run general purpose OpenBSD boxes on Vultr for several years, mostly for development while travelling and without access to my basement stacks, each on -current (initially installed from OpenBSD FTP servers) and then upgraded every week or two using ramdisks from snapshots. I’ve never tried Vultr’s own baked images so I can’t comment on them. However, I’ve never had any problems maintaining my methodology in which both new installs as well as upgrades can be completed in a few minutes. > 2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in hearing > alternatives. Uptime can sometimes be unreliable (I run hosts from Vultr’s European locations only, mostly Amsterdam and Frankfurt), network “maintenance” being quite frequent. However, given that I am not using Vultr for critical services, I’m prepared to accept this minor irritation when weighed against cost. For important hosts that I rely upon for mail, OpenVPN, DNS, etc., I use Exoscale and find the slightly higher costs well worth it. Kindly, -Merv
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
My personal experience with vultr is good. At the moment I'm using my own 6.2 iso. Everything runs smoothly. Regarding network performance I noticed no problems till today but it is just a small mail server. On 9 September 2018 10:05:16 BST, Étienne > > On 8 September 2018 19:55:16 BST, Ken M > >> My questions are: >> >> 1. Is it still current information that it would be better to use my >> own >> image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? > I just like to manage the disk my own way, so I don't use their install > process. But they provide iPXE and that works decently. Have autoinstall on > the top, and you're just as efficient as with using their iso. > >> 2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in >> hearing >> alternatives. > I use them. > >> Also a side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd >> guest on vultr. > Just try, it's cheap. > >
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
> Wiadomość napisana przez Ken M w dniu 08.09.2018, o godz. > 20:55: > > 2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in hearing > alternatives. my own experience: 1) Vultr gave me very bad support experience. If you restore from snapshot you have to open support ticket - otherwise OpenBSD won’t boot. Network performance is poor. 2) Exoscale is my favorite - but also most expensive (kvm). Swiss only, no EU, US influences. 3) AWS: what I use: most flexible, and unbeaten in terms of features. I often replace root drives if i want to perform some more advanced stuff (modify partitions etc) - you simply as in real world just replace EBS volumes. Downside: you pay for traffic and drive storage _ Zbyszek Żółkiewski
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
On 8 September 2018 19:55:16 BST, Ken M > My questions are: > >1. Is it still current information that it would be better to use my >own >image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? I just like to manage the disk my own way, so I don't use their install process. But they provide iPXE and that works decently. Have autoinstall on the top, and you're just as efficient as with using their iso. >2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in >hearing >alternatives. I use them. >Also a side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd >guest on vultr. Just try, it's cheap.
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
I think vultr is setting a great example that many hosting providers should follow, I mean I bet 65% run kvm and then it is possible to run openbsd , but I think many providers doesn't put in the energy to do it / configure a template for it On September 9, 2018 12:26:29 AM UTC, Ken M wrote: >On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 08:36:01PM +0100, Chris Narkiewicz wrote: >> On 08/09/2018 19:55, Ken M wrote: >> What kind of issues? I'm curious. Can you pls provide a reference? >> > >Without digging them up I did a quick google on openbsd issues vultr. >It pulled >some things I saw before with 6.2 and timing, as well as issues with >the base >image, and other ones talking about a setting in KVM that was causing >issues on >certain servers. > >I can link them if you wish. I wanted to ask here because they seemed >out of >date, and when it comes to openbsd I have to filter what a google >search pulls >as I find so much misinformation about openbsd out there. Some of it >more for >being out of date, some of it just plain anti without knowing, some >just >misinformation. > >So in short I figured asking here would be more current and accurate. >This is a >case where I consider the absence of such information a result. >Although I think >I might consider openbsd amsterdam that was mentioned. My only >hesitation is >vmm/vmd considered mature enough for a production hosting solution? > >Ken -- Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 08:36:01PM +0100, Chris Narkiewicz wrote: > On 08/09/2018 19:55, Ken M wrote: > What kind of issues? I'm curious. Can you pls provide a reference? > Without digging them up I did a quick google on openbsd issues vultr. It pulled some things I saw before with 6.2 and timing, as well as issues with the base image, and other ones talking about a setting in KVM that was causing issues on certain servers. I can link them if you wish. I wanted to ask here because they seemed out of date, and when it comes to openbsd I have to filter what a google search pulls as I find so much misinformation about openbsd out there. Some of it more for being out of date, some of it just plain anti without knowing, some just misinformation. So in short I figured asking here would be more current and accurate. This is a case where I consider the absence of such information a result. Although I think I might consider openbsd amsterdam that was mentioned. My only hesitation is vmm/vmd considered mature enough for a production hosting solution? Ken
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
On Sep 8, 2018 4:35 PM, flipchan wrote: > > U have to tell em to open port 25 > > On September 8, 2018 6:55:16 PM UTC, Ken M wrote: > >This is related to my mail server thread, but in googling about openbsd > >on vultr > >I have seen some comments here and there about issues with the default > >image on > >vultr and to use a custom image or iso instead of what they have. Some > >of these > >seem dated and related to older versions of openbsd. My questions are: > > > >1. Is it still current information that it would be better to use my > >own > >image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? > > > >2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in > >hearing > >alternatives. > > > >Also a side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd > >guest on > >vultr. I was thinking probably not. I just ask as sometinmes I > >appreciate using > >docker to test things, yeah I know. But the point is my dev workflow on > >my > >openbsd current laptop involves sometimes using alpine linux on vmm an > >using > >docker on that to spin up different things I want to check out. > > > >Ken > > -- > Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev I wasn't aware that they had openbsd imagez to choose from. I know from experience that their freebsd image was hosed. Something to do with the swap size as I recall. I would suggest just installing it yourself so you set up the partitions and what not how you want it. Such as a small /home and a larger /var since it's a server. Edgar
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
U have to tell em to open port 25 On September 8, 2018 6:55:16 PM UTC, Ken M wrote: >This is related to my mail server thread, but in googling about openbsd >on vultr >I have seen some comments here and there about issues with the default >image on >vultr and to use a custom image or iso instead of what they have. Some >of these >seem dated and related to older versions of openbsd. My questions are: > >1. Is it still current information that it would be better to use my >own >image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? > >2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in >hearing >alternatives. > >Also a side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd >guest on >vultr. I was thinking probably not. I just ask as sometinmes I >appreciate using >docker to test things, yeah I know. But the point is my dev workflow on >my >openbsd current laptop involves sometimes using alpine linux on vmm an >using >docker on that to spin up different things I want to check out. > >Ken -- Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 06:55:16PM +, Ken M wrote: > 2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in hearing > alternatives. > I have been using baremetal servers. They are cheap (please don't go too cheap!) You do need to make sure that they will allow you to use a KVM and that it's not one of the old kind that required Java. You shouldn't let them install, since you will need to be able to do this regularly, plus you need access to the BIOS to turn off hyper-threading. Right now I'm using one with an Intel and I'm not happy about that, so I'm going to look elsewhere next month. Also, make sure that they don't have blacklisted IP's. Otherwise your time and money are wasted. But I like having exclusive control of my server, short of them physically accessing it during maintenance, which leaves me just needing to keep good backups elsewhere. If you do this, make sure everything works under OpenBSD first. But this isn't the way a lot of people want to do things, so go with whatever you're comfortable with. You might want to try a couple of different ways for one or two months. Not that much money and keep what you like best of the bunch. :-} Chris Bennett
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
On 08/09/2018 19:55, Ken M wrote: I have seen some comments here and there about issues with the default image What kind of issues? I'm curious. Can you pls provide a reference?
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
I have an instance on ramnode. No problems since 6.0 On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 20:18, Tony Boston wrote: > On 08.09.18 02:55, Ken M wrote: > > This is related to my mail server thread, but in googling about openbsd > on vultr > > I have seen some comments here and there about issues with the default > image on > > vultr and to use a custom image or iso instead of what they have. Some > of these > > seem dated and related to older versions of openbsd. My questions are: > > > > 1. Is it still current information that it would be better to use my own > > image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? > > > > 2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in > hearing > > alternatives. > > > > Also a side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd > guest on > > vultr. I was thinking probably not. I just ask as sometinmes I > appreciate using > > docker to test things, yeah I know. But the point is my dev workflow on > my > > openbsd current laptop involves sometimes using alpine linux on vmm an > using > > docker on that to spin up different things I want to check out. > > > > Ken > > > > I am running a few instances at vultr - no problems at all with the > images they have. > > -- > Tony > > GPG-FP: 913BBD25 8DA503C7 BAE0C0B6 8995E906 4FBAD580 > Threema: DN8PJX4Z > >
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
+1 Misha the guy running openbsd.amsterdam is sound out On 8 September 2018 at 20:04, Tracey Emery wrote: > > > I'm very happy with https://openbsd.amsterdam/. > > > > Plus, they donate back. > > > > Tracey > > > > > > >> >> On Sep 8, 2018 at 12:55,wrote: >> >> >> This is related to my mail server thread, but in googling about openbsd on >> vultr I have seen some comments here and there about issues with the default >> image on vultr and to use a custom image or iso instead of what they have. >> Some of these seem dated and related to older versions of openbsd. My >> questions are: 1. Is it still current information that it would be better to >> use my own image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? 2. Is vultr a good place >> to host an openbsd box? If not interested in hearing alternatives. Also a >> side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd guest on >> vultr. I was thinking probably not. I just ask as sometinmes I appreciate >> using docker to test things, yeah I know. But the point is my dev workflow >> on my openbsd current laptop involves sometimes using alpine linux on vmm an >> using docker on that to spin up different things I want to check out. Ken >> > -- Kindest regards, Tom Smyth Mobile: +353 87 6193172 The information contained in this E-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the named recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering it to the recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone at the number above and erase the message You are requested to carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment.
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
I'm very happy with https://openbsd.amsterdam/. Plus, they donate back. Tracey > > On Sep 8, 2018 at 12:55,wrote: > > > This is related to my mail server thread, but in googling about openbsd on > vultr I have seen some comments here and there about issues with the default > image on vultr and to use a custom image or iso instead of what they have. > Some of these seem dated and related to older versions of openbsd. My > questions are: 1. Is it still current information that it would be better to > use my own image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? 2. Is vultr a good place > to host an openbsd box? If not interested in hearing alternatives. Also a > side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd guest on > vultr. I was thinking probably not. I just ask as sometinmes I appreciate > using docker to test things, yeah I know. But the point is my dev workflow on > my openbsd current laptop involves sometimes using alpine linux on vmm an > using docker on that to spin up different things I want to check out. Ken >
Re: Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
On 08.09.18 02:55, Ken M wrote: > This is related to my mail server thread, but in googling about openbsd on > vultr > I have seen some comments here and there about issues with the default image > on > vultr and to use a custom image or iso instead of what they have. Some of > these > seem dated and related to older versions of openbsd. My questions are: > > 1. Is it still current information that it would be better to use my own > image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? > > 2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in hearing > alternatives. > > Also a side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd guest > on > vultr. I was thinking probably not. I just ask as sometinmes I appreciate > using > docker to test things, yeah I know. But the point is my dev workflow on my > openbsd current laptop involves sometimes using alpine linux on vmm an using > docker on that to spin up different things I want to check out. > > Ken > I am running a few instances at vultr - no problems at all with the images they have. -- Tony GPG-FP: 913BBD25 8DA503C7 BAE0C0B6 8995E906 4FBAD580 Threema: DN8PJX4Z
Vultr hosting of OpenBSD
This is related to my mail server thread, but in googling about openbsd on vultr I have seen some comments here and there about issues with the default image on vultr and to use a custom image or iso instead of what they have. Some of these seem dated and related to older versions of openbsd. My questions are: 1. Is it still current information that it would be better to use my own image/install/iso for openbsd on Vultr? 2. Is vultr a good place to host an openbsd box? If not interested in hearing alternatives. Also a side note question, is it possible to use VMD/VMM in an openbsd guest on vultr. I was thinking probably not. I just ask as sometinmes I appreciate using docker to test things, yeah I know. But the point is my dev workflow on my openbsd current laptop involves sometimes using alpine linux on vmm an using docker on that to spin up different things I want to check out. Ken