Re: misc questions from beginner
Well i would go with Test server where i would take a month to go through OS and setting up running as my requirements.. at least. Then i will make migration plan and make test migrate from FreeBSD to OpenBSD ...then will make clean Server instal and do migrate my data. Hope this helps .;) As i already pointed out i don't want to migrate at all what is currently working very well with FreeBSD. This is all about future needs.
misc questions from beginner
OK OK i will not ask how to easily install KDE ;) But after switching from already useless linux first to Netbsd in 2003 and then to FreeBSD now long later i started to slowly think of changing OS i use in production. Why is another story but i need to ask few questions about future directions of OpenBSD. I am currently FreeBSD user in production. Sadly all my moves were only because of falling quality of former OS, rendering it useless. So the questions are 0) will there be new graphical installer? Will it output XML for kernel as FreeBSD do with sysctl? ;) OK seriously... 1) is ANY form of support for virtualization extension planned? i fully agree on this: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/3651-Theo-de-Raadt-about-virtualisation.html but i do use virtualization this way. I use it as addition to main system. My common setup is an FreeBSD server serving all small/medium company needs which include keeping working images of windows based images running on server. I currently use virtualbox. It is disaster in management (but can be tamed) and quite disaster in security (but not a problem in my setup) , but it works well anyway, most often faster than running the same windows natively ;) Actually i need only windows BOX that will run windows as a process. qemu without extensions works but it is really quite too slow. 2) is TRIM planned? Quite important thing i think. No TRIM roughly equals of running SSD with all filesystems full. The rest is about the tests i want to perform with OpenBSD about performance for MY needs, not microbenchmarks.. Just not have at present machine with at least 2 disks handy at home. From what i tested for now and except points 1+2 OpenBSD have all i need and more.
Re: misc questions from beginner
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 19:40, Wojciech Puchar wrote: 2) is TRIM planned? Quite important thing i think. No TRIM roughly equals of running SSD with all filesystems full. Yes, someday, though we ran into a few issues trying to make it work the way we wanted. My recommendation would be to only partition some of the disk, leaving additional spare area. Somewhat ironically, I think ssd controllers have gotten better at garbage collection on their own, so trim support is perhaps slightly less important than it was two years ago. In any case, it's planned, but as with all plans, there's no timeframe or deadline.
Re: misc questions from beginner
2) is TRIM planned? Quite important thing i think. No TRIM roughly equals of running SSD with all filesystems full. Yes, someday, though we ran into a few issues trying to make it work the way we wanted. That's what i wanted to hear. I am not in a hurry. All i do now on FreeBSD works just fine and i do not change working thing in any case. But i already understood that in not so long future FreeBSD will not be usable while older versions would not work on new hardware or will have too many unfixed bugs or some new needed software will not compile from ports on it. If TRIM will work a year from now it is already great. Thank you very much for answer! My recommendation would be to only partition some of the disk, leaving additional spare area. Somewhat ironically, I Right i already know this and it seems fine as TEMPORARY solution. think ssd controllers have gotten better at garbage collection on their own, so trim support is perhaps slightly less important than it No matter how well it works, if they know what is unused it never gets copied to new blocks. So TRIM may not improve speed but always improve wear. Imagine one filesystem designed for flash media, sort of BSD LFS-alike. you put one single file on it, run vnconfig and then create UFS on it and mount. TRIM is ability to punch holes in that single file. More unused space=less block rewrites when cleaner works. That's how today SSD works, with that vnconfig part handled by SSD controller. It is fast, but it actually mean how fast it really could be without double filesystem layer, if we could just buy packaged pile of FLASH chips and one interface chip doing just ECC, with flash dedicated filesystem running directly on OS.
Re: misc questions from beginner
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 07:40:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: 1) is ANY form of support for virtualization extension planned? It already exists, it is called LDOMs, or you can use ESXi ;) jirib
Re: misc questions from beginner
Well i would go with Test server where i would take a month to go through OS and setting up running as my requirements.. Then i will make migration plan and make test migrate from FreeBSD to OpenBSD ...then will make clean Server instal and do migrate my data. Hope this helps .;)
