Re: tcpdump -X
On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill Thanks for your prompt reply. Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? MTU stands for Mark T Uemura, otherwise known as mtu@, an OpenBSD developer who has been kind enough to do some fantastic write-ups and interviews on the events and people of the two most recent hackathons. http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=searchmode=thres=method=andsort=timequery=mtu Now, all kidding aside, please look at the length of your question above and compare it to the following URL: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=MTU Yep, the URL is shorter. Answering your own question would have been less typing, a whole lot faster, and far more complete than the simple expansion of an abbreviation given to you in replies. The half dozen idiots posting replies with the correct answer to your easily answered question have done a disservice to both you and everyone else subscribed to this list. Mindlessly blurting out an easily found answer is tantamount to bragging and makes the people doing it look stupid since it shows they failed to think things through. They robbed you of a chance to learn something on your own, they cluttered the mail boxes of thousands of people, and worst of all, they encouraged all the countless other people like you to be lazy. There's nothing wrong with not knowing things, but if you're unwilling to at least try learning and try solving your own problems *before* asking for help, then you obviously don't respect the time people commit to writing software and helping others on these lists. The correct order of operation is Think, Search, Study, and Try. When you've repeated the first four steps a few times and you're still at a loss for an answer, only then take the fifth step of Asking. It's the tough road to take rather than the easy way out, but in the end, you'll be stronger and better for it. In a similar vein, you might find the following thread enlightening: http://marc.info/?t=12143420236r=1w=2 Particularly: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=121434335503622w=2 Yep, this crap happens all the time. It's not just new people showing up on the lists and not knowing the basics, but it's also long time users like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being overly helpful. Heck, if you search the list archives, you'll probably find places where *I* have made the exact same mistakes. I may seem like a complete ass for pointing the obvious, but none the less, all of the above are things you, and others, really need to learn and remember. Kind Regards jcr
Re: tcpdump -X
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:04:17AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: ...but it's also long time users like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being overly helpful. Hey, JC, I pointed the OP to acronymfinder.com; one of the more useful sites I know of.
Re: tcpdump -X
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:04 AM, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill Thanks for your prompt reply. Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? MTU stands for Mark T Uemura, otherwise known as mtu@, an OpenBSD developer who has been kind enough to do some fantastic write-ups and interviews on the events and people of the two most recent hackathons. http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=searchmode=thres=method=andsort=timequery=mtu Now, all kidding aside, please look at the length of your question above and compare it to the following URL: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=MTU Yep, the URL is shorter. Answering your own question would have been less typing, a whole lot faster, and far more complete than the simple expansion of an abbreviation given to you in replies. The half dozen idiots posting replies with the correct answer to your easily answered question have done a disservice to both you and everyone else subscribed to this list. Mindlessly blurting out an easily found answer is tantamount to bragging and makes the people doing it look stupid since it shows they failed to think things through. They robbed you of a chance to learn something on your own, they cluttered the mail boxes of thousands of people, and worst of all, they encouraged all the countless other people like you to be lazy. There's nothing wrong with not knowing things, but if you're unwilling to at least try learning and try solving your own problems *before* asking for help, then you obviously don't respect the time people commit to writing software and helping others on these lists. The correct order of operation is Think, Search, Study, and Try. When you've repeated the first four steps a few times and you're still at a loss for an answer, only then take the fifth step of Asking. It's the tough road to take rather than the easy way out, but in the end, you'll be stronger and better for it. In a similar vein, you might find the following thread enlightening: http://marc.info/?t=12143420236r=1w=2 Particularly: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=121434335503622w=2 Yep, this crap happens all the time. It's not just new people showing up on the lists and not knowing the basics, but it's also long time users like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being overly helpful. Heck, if you search the list archives, you'll probably find places where *I* have made the exact same mistakes. I may seem like a complete ass for pointing the obvious, but none the less, all of the above are things you, and others, really need to learn and remember. Kind Regards jcr this kind of replies do have a long tradition in this list - probably most of the times for a good reason! On the other hand, calling people idiots, isn't really polite, to put it mildly, neither serves any good cause! I fully agree with your definition of the correct order of operation and it wasn't my intension to abuse any resources. I don't know if you read the whole thread but my initial question was a bit different! I didn't just jumped-in with the question 'what's MTU'. It was a result of a kind reply to my problem and after looking the man pages, where this acronym wasn't defined, assumed that a generic term like this will, most probably, produce a lot of unrelated and misleading hits in Google. Proved wrong! Still this wasn't an outcome of being lazy doing my homework. As a result, I think you heavily exaggerate with your strong wording. Thanks George
Re: tcpdump -X
GVG GVG wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:04 AM, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill Thanks for your prompt reply. Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? MTU stands for Mark T Uemura, otherwise known as mtu@, an OpenBSD developer who has been kind enough to do some fantastic write-ups and interviews on the events and people of the two most recent hackathons. http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=searchmode=thres=method=and; sort=timequery=mtu Now, all kidding aside, please look at the length of your question above and compare it to the following URL: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=MTU Yep, the URL is shorter. Answering your own question would have been less typing, a whole lot faster, and far more complete than the simple expansion of an abbreviation given to you in replies. The half dozen idiots posting replies with the correct answer to your easily answered question have done a disservice to both you and everyone else subscribed to this list. Mindlessly blurting out an easily found answer is tantamount to bragging and makes the people doing it look stupid since it shows they failed to think things through. They robbed you of a chance to learn something on your own, they cluttered the mail boxes of thousands of people, and worst of all, they encouraged all the countless other people like you to be lazy. There's nothing wrong with not knowing things, but if you're unwilling to at least try learning and try solving your own problems *before* asking for help, then you obviously don't respect the time people commit to writing software and helping others on these lists. The correct order of operation is Think, Search, Study, and Try. When you've repeated the first four steps a few times and you're still at a loss for an answer, only then take the fifth step of Asking. It's the tough road to take rather than the easy way out, but in the end, you'll be stronger and better for it. In a similar vein, you might find the following thread enlightening: http://marc.info/?t=12143420236r=1w=2 Particularly: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=121434335503622w=2 Yep, this crap happens all the time. It's not just new people showing up on the lists and not knowing the basics, but it's also long time users like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being overly helpful. Heck, if you search the list archives, you'll probably find places where *I* have made the exact same mistakes. I may seem like a complete ass for pointing the obvious, but none the less, all of the above are things you, and others, really need to learn and remember. Kind Regards jcr this kind of replies do have a long tradition in this list - probably most of the times for a good reason! On the other hand, calling people idiots, isn't really polite, to put it mildly, neither serves any good cause! I fully agree with your definition of the correct order of operation and it wasn't my intension to abuse any resources. I don't know if you read the whole thread but my initial question was a bit different! I didn't just jumped-in with the question 'what's MTU'. It was a result of a kind reply to my problem and after looking the man pages, where this acronym wasn't defined, assumed that a generic term like this will, most probably, produce a lot of unrelated and misleading hits in Google. Proved wrong! Still this wasn't an outcome of being lazy doing my homework. As a result, I think you heavily exaggerate with your strong wording. Thanks George If you watch the fungames from mis-matched MTUs, methinks you will discover that it is NO exaggeration.
Re: tcpdump -X
this kind of replies do have a long tradition in this list - probably most of the times for a good reason! On the other hand, calling people idiots, isn't really polite, to put it mildly, neither serves any good cause! I fully agree with your definition of the correct order of operation and it wasn't my intension to abuse any resources. I don't know if you read the whole thread but my initial question was a bit different! I didn't just jumped-in with the question 'what's MTU'. It was a result of a kind reply to my problem and after looking the man pages, where this acronym wasn't defined, assumed that a generic term like this will, most probably, produce a lot of unrelated and misleading hits in Google. Proved wrong! Still this wasn't an outcome of being lazy doing my homework. As a result, I think you heavily exaggerate with your strong wording. Now even more of us think you are an idiot.
tcpdump -X
Dear list, was going through the OpenBSD tcpdump version and couldn't identify anything like the '-A' flag in order to capture full web sites etc. Tried optin '-X' but didn't work! Should I use '-s snaplen' but what snaplen value do I have to define. Tried few combinations with no success! Thanks for your help George
Re: tcpdump -X
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Dear list, was going through the OpenBSD tcpdump version and couldn't identify anything like the '-A' flag in order to capture full web sites etc. Tried optin '-X' but didn't work! Should I use '-s snaplen' but what snaplen value do I have to define. Tried few combinations with no success! Thanks for your help George Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill
Re: tcpdump -X
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Dear list, was going through the OpenBSD tcpdump version and couldn't identify anything like the '-A' flag in order to capture full web sites etc. Tried optin '-X' but didn't work! Should I use '-s snaplen' but what snaplen value do I have to define. Tried few combinations with no success! Thanks for your help George Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill Thanks for your prompt reply. Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? Thanks George
Re: tcpdump -X
On Tue, Jul 15 2008 at 49:16, GVG GVG wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Dear list, was going through the OpenBSD tcpdump version and couldn't identify anything like the '-A' flag in order to capture full web sites etc. Tried optin '-X' but didn't work! Should I use '-s snaplen' but what snaplen value do I have to define. Tried few combinations with no success! Thanks for your help George Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill Thanks for your prompt reply. Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? Maximum Transmission Unit. Its the biggest number of bytes that can be transmited on the media (ISO layer 2). You can go on wikipedia for more informations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit Claer
Re: tcpdump -X
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:49:46PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? http://www.acronymfinder.com/MTU.html
Re: tcpdump -X
GVG GVG wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Dear list, was going through the OpenBSD tcpdump version and couldn't identify anything like the '-A' flag in order to capture full web sites etc. Tried optin '-X' but didn't work! Should I use '-s snaplen' but what snaplen value do I have to define. Tried few combinations with no success! Thanks for your help George Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill Thanks for your prompt reply. Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? it's Maximum Transfer Unit -- With best regards, Gregory Edigarov
Re: tcpdump -X
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:49:46 +0700, GVG GVG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It stand for Maximum Transmit Unit. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Dear list, was going through the OpenBSD tcpdump version and couldn't identify anything like the '-A' flag in order to capture full web sites etc. Tried optin '-X' but didn't work! Should I use '-s snaplen' but what snaplen value do I have to define. Tried few combinations with no success! Thanks for your help George Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill Thanks for your prompt reply. Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? Thanks George -- insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom
Re: tcpdump -X
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:49:46 +0200 GVG GVG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A%20MTU Typically it's 1500. -- It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, Than for a man to hear the song of fools. Ecclesiastes 7:5 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
