Re: DMARC/mailing list issue

2023-12-26 Thread Paul Pace

Hello Sir,

On 2023-12-25 22:16, jrmu wrote:

Greetings,

I'm attempting to send email to m...@openbsd.org, and getting a lot of
DMARC failure reports. SPF, DKIM, and DMARC work fine for me when I am
not using a mailing list. My SPF TXT record is


For interacting with mailing lists, I use a domain with p=quarantine. 
Active users should already have figured out that lists like misc@ are 
not configured to support DMARC, and p=none is too easy to spoof for the 
worst offenders, so even just a simple MUA filter can move the messages 
out of the spam directory.


Just my opinion here, but in 2023, lists not supporting DMARC are 
intentionally so. As you can see here with OpenSMTPD, the DKIM check 
using my domain's key will pass, AFAICT because the message is left 
largely unaltered and DMARC requires SPF OR DKIM authentication to pass 
using header.from.


Not supporting DMARC keeps out people on any of the various freemail 
providers from meaningfully participating in a list. I see similar at 
daemonforums.org, which uses a yahoo.com FROM: address to send messages, 
so anyone with a server respecting p=reject (e.g., all freemail 
providers) will never receive any of their messages, including forum 
signups, which I believe to be an intentional technical filtering of 
users.




"v=spf1 a mx ip4:198.251.82.194 -all"

and my DMARC record is

"v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=0;fo=1;rua=mailto:postmas...@ircnow.org;ruf=mailto:postmas...@ircnow.org;

However, I sent two emails in the last 10 days, and received 20 failed
DMARC reports. I am not sure if these two emails were received:

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc=170354063924689=2
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc=170274207904871=2

As of today, I adjusted the DMARC record from p=quarantine to p=none,
with hopes that fewer emails would get rejected.


For p=quarantine, the messages should be sent to spam directories as 
opposed to p=reject, which most servers are configured to not send to 
the user account and in my experience is silently discarded.




I'm not sure if 1) these failed DMARC reports are normal for mailing
lists, and 2) if there's anything else I can do to reduce the failure
rate.

Below is a sample fastmail DMARC report:



1.0

Fastmail Pty Ltd
repo...@fastmaildmarc.com
https://fastmail.com/
1054835552

1703462400
1703548799



ircnow.org
none
none
0
0



199.185.178.25
101

none
fail
fail

trusted_forwarder
Policy ignored due to local white 
list




openbsd.org
ircnow.org



openbsd.org
selector1
pass
pass


openbsd.org
mfrom
pass





148.251.123.12
1

none
fail
fail

trusted_forwarder
Policy ignored due to local white 
list




openbsd.org
ircnow.org



openbsd.org
selector1
pass
pass


openbsd.org
mfrom
softfail





173.228.157.40
1

none
fail
fail



bounce2.pobox.com
ircnow.org

DMARC/mailing list issue

2023-12-25 Thread jrmu
Greetings,

I'm attempting to send email to m...@openbsd.org, and getting a lot of
DMARC failure reports. SPF, DKIM, and DMARC work fine for me when I am
not using a mailing list. My SPF TXT record is

"v=spf1 a mx ip4:198.251.82.194 -all"

and my DMARC record is

"v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=0;fo=1;rua=mailto:postmas...@ircnow.org;ruf=mailto:postmas...@ircnow.org;

However, I sent two emails in the last 10 days, and received 20 failed
DMARC reports. I am not sure if these two emails were received:

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc=170354063924689=2
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc=170274207904871=2

As of today, I adjusted the DMARC record from p=quarantine to p=none,
with hopes that fewer emails would get rejected.

I'm not sure if 1) these failed DMARC reports are normal for mailing
lists, and 2) if there's anything else I can do to reduce the failure
rate.

Below is a sample fastmail DMARC report:



1.0

Fastmail Pty Ltd
repo...@fastmaildmarc.com
https://fastmail.com/
1054835552

1703462400
1703548799



ircnow.org
none
none
0
0



199.185.178.25
101

none
fail
fail

trusted_forwarder
Policy ignored due to local 
white list




openbsd.org
ircnow.org



openbsd.org
selector1
pass
pass


openbsd.org
mfrom
pass





148.251.123.12
1

none
fail
fail

trusted_forwarder
Policy ignored due to local 
white list




openbsd.org
ircnow.org



openbsd.org
selector1
pass
pass


openbsd.org
mfrom
softfail





173.228.157.40
1

none
fail
fail



bounce2.pobox.com
ircnow.org



openbsd.org
selector1
pass
pass


bounce2.pobox.com
mfrom
pass





216.40.44.19
1

none
fail
fail

mailing_list
Policy ignored due to local 
mailing list policy




bullock.net
ircnow.org



openbsd.org
selector1
pass
pass


bullock.net