RE: meeting tomorrow

[Travis Maddox]

I'm gonna try to attend.
 
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:50:42 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: meeting 
tomorrowThe Mo state chapter of the Republican Liberty Caucus will be meeting 
tomorrow from 12:00 until 3:00 @ the Carnegie Midtown Library upstairs meeting 
room.  Interest parties on learning about electing individuals who truly stand 
for limited government intrusions, personal freedom and FISCAL government are 
welcome to attend.tom-- 
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doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.)"You 
don't pay taxes - they take taxes."~ Chris Rock~"no cause is lost if there is 
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Re: meeting tomorrow

[Perrie Campbell]

I had thought I would be able to attend. Unfortunately, I will be working
tomorrow.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Tom Martz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Mo state chapter of the Republican Liberty Caucus will be meeting
> tomorrow from 12:00 until 3:00 @ the Carnegie Midtown Library upstairs
> meeting room.  Interest parties on learning about electing individuals who
> truly stand for limited government intrusions, personal freedom and FISCAL
> government are welcome to attend.
>
> tom
>
> --
> http://votetom4council.webs.com/
>
> http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com/
>
> www.moliberty.org
>
> "lite a fire for a man he'll be warm for a day, lite the man on fire and
> he'll be warm the rest of his life".
>
> Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics
> won't take an interest in you!
> -Pericles (430 B.C.)
>
> "You don't pay taxes - they take taxes."
> ~ Chris Rock~
>
> "no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it"
> ~Will Turner~
> ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~
>
> Save your property rights
> www.mo-cpr.org
>
> http://www.radiofreeliberty.com
>
>
>
> >
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meeting tomorrow

[Tom Martz]

The Mo state chapter of the Republican Liberty Caucus will be meeting
tomorrow from 12:00 until 3:00 @ the Carnegie Midtown Library upstairs
meeting room.  Interest parties on learning about electing individuals who
truly stand for limited government intrusions, personal freedom and FISCAL
government are welcome to attend.

tom

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"lite a fire for a man he'll be warm for a day, lite the man on fire and
he'll be warm the rest of his life".

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won't take an interest in you!
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~ Chris Rock~

"no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it"
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Fwd: [ronpaul-29] New Meetup: Community Resiliency Conference

[Tom Martz]

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Date: Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:20 PM
Subject: [ronpaul-29] New Meetup: Community Resiliency Conference
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Announcing a new Meetup for Campaign for Liberty Group of Springfield!

What: Community Resiliency Conference

When: December 13, 2008 11:00 AM

Where: Click the link below to find out!

Meetup Description: Please go to www.thestatesmen.org for more information.

This conference is to learn about transitioning communities to
self-reliance, for discussing the needs and capabilities of business owners,
prospective business owners, and citizens of the Springfield-Joplin area,
and taking the first steps toward regional self-reliance. Subjects will
include:

To discuss issues pertaining to building community resilience in this area:
local cottage industry, small business, small farms, farmer's markets,
emergency preparation, community-based charities, and a robust trade
network.

To discuss the incubation of small business and local cottage industry
including a support network where small businesses and prospective
entrepreneurs can rely on each other for support against large competition
and intrusive government regulation.

What local products/materials are needed by local business to lower prices
and as a hedge against rising costs of imports? (e.g. wool scour and
processing)

What local efforts are already working on these problems? What help do they
need? What is missing?
How does a new (or existing) business navigate the maze of regulations to
comply with the law? (e.g. sales tax, business name and registration,
special regulations on their product, zoning, health regulations, weights
and measures, etc., etc.) How-To guides on these subjects might be
invaluable. Who will write them? Who will maintain them? Where would they be
published?
What are the advantages of the barter economy for small business? The
pitfalls? How do we make the local economy robust in the face of a possible
inflationary spiral and/or significant drop in value of the dollar?

How does the small, niche, business deal with labor regulations such as
minimum wage which may make it prohibitive to hire labor?

There will be presentations on some of these issues, materials distributed
by related local groups, discussion with and among participants on the most
critical needs, time to meet other residents with similar concerns, and the
conference will decide what steps need to be taken next.

Learn more here:
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/29/calendar/9289158/




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Re: City Council etc need to understand this

[Tom Martz]

Sure just go ahead and rain on my parade.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:58 PM, James Hornaday Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Ah, this is much closer to home. All governmental bodies are contemplating
> new taxes to cover their collective past budgetary sins. Springfield is the
> first to actually bring the problem to their voters and say "Pay now, or we
> will screw you in a manner you have never anticipated." The Feds and the
> States are still talking "nicey-nice change", and will send us the bill
> later.
>
> --
> *From:* Tom Martz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2008 1:40:51 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: City Council etc need to understand this
>
> It has to be the water since MoLiCo members drink my own personal brew at
> meetings and it is know to have smaller government oxygenation principles
> where as government types are drinking government approved municipal water
> LOL
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Jerry Blevins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> What is unbelievble is that the people of this city is giving thought to
>> passing a sales tax to bailout the pension plan without taking a close look
>> at what the plan is and how it can be changed to keep us from having to do a
>> bailout.  I guess all bureaucrats, city, county, state, and federal, have
>> drank the same water and come down with the same disease called "bailout".
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com]On
>> Behalf Of James
>> Hornaday Jr.
>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:55 AM
>> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand this
>>
>>
>>
>> People:
>>
>> As a matter of adding to some quick internal discussion, I would suggest
>> the city administration has started a serious campaign. It is absolutely
>> intended to scare voters that core services will go totally to pot if they
>> don't vote "Yes" on February 3rd. This is merely the first shot of serial
>> salvos of impending doom that will come from the city, regardless of what we
>> do. "Scare" is their key word.
>>
>> I would further suggest we USE this city tactic to their disadvantage in
>> our responses. We need to show how mean and wasteful the administration is,
>> and point out that their biggest hangup to passing any tax increase is the
>> fact that they want plenty of new unencumbered tax revenue to pay off their
>> pension debt WITHOUT the city changing their wasteful spending habits. We
>> need to remind people it will be a short period between a NO vote on
>> February 3rd and the April election where a new council can be elected.
>>
>> Jim Hornaday
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message 
>> From: Matthew Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: missourilibertycoalition 
>> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 8:59:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand this
>>
>>
>> Actually, you might do best to not make a big deal of the hiring
>> freeze unless the city is being very visible about it.  They obviously
>> want to use it to scare people into voting in a tax increase.  That
>> will only work if a lot of people hear about it and get scared.  If
>> the city doesn't do a good job of getting people scared, we don't want
>> to help them out.  Of course, if they do a good job then we're better
>> off making sure people recognize it as a scare tactic.  I just think
>> you don't want to be too quick on the exposee.
>> Matt
>>
>> On Dec 4, 7:50 pm, "Tom Martz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Perhaps one of you would like to write a piece on the first salvo being
>> > fired on passing the tax increase and submit it to CFP or send it to me
>> and
>> > I'll forward it to Mert.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Charity Davis
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > That almost sounds like blackmail or getting cornered nice
>> >
>> > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> I received the Community Free Press yesterday and saw that the
>> threats to
>> > >> our safety has already started.
>> >
>> > >> A complete freeze of any hiring of police and firemen has been put
>> into
>> > >> place unless the tax increase passes in February.
>> >
>> > >>   Original Message 
>> > >> Subject: City Council etc need to understand this
>> > >> From: "Charity Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> Date: Thu, December 04, 2008 6:37 am
>> > >> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>> >
>> > >>http://www.mobudget.org/MO%20Structural%20Deficit%20Report%20final%20
>> ...
>> >
>> > >> The people cannot afford increased taxes.  I really think that they
>> will
>> > >> be paying less then expected, and if they are taxed higher, then the
>> revenue
>> > >> will disappear because people will cut back more and more.  From the
>> state
>> > >> down to the city level there needs to be cutting

Re: City Council etc need to understand this

[James Hornaday Jr.]

Ah, this is much closer to home. All governmental bodies are contemplating new 
taxes to cover their collective past budgetary sins. Springfield is the first 
to actually bring the problem to their voters and say "Pay now, or we will 
screw you in a manner you have never anticipated." The Feds and the States are 
still talking "nicey-nice change", and will send us the bill later.





From: Tom Martz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 1:40:51 PM
Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand this

It has to be the water since MoLiCo members drink my own personal brew at 
meetings and it is know to have smaller government oxygenation principles where 
as government types are drinking government approved municipal water   LOL


On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Jerry Blevins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What is unbelievble is that the 
people of this city is giving thought to passing a sales tax to bailout the 
pension plan without taking a close look at what the plan is and how it can be 
changed to keep us from having to do a bailout.  I guess all bureaucrats, 
city, county, state, and federal, have drank the same water and come down with 
the same disease called "bailout".


-Original Message-
From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Behalf Of James
Hornaday Jr.
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:55 
AM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: City Council 
etc need to understand this



People:

As a matter of adding 
to some quick internal discussion, I would suggest the city administration has 
started a serious campaign. It is absolutely intended to scare voters that core 
services will go totally to pot if they don't vote "Yes" on February 3rd. This 
is merely the first shot of serial salvos of impending doom that will come from 
the city, regardless of what we do. "Scare" is their key word.

I would 
further suggest we USE this city tactic to their disadvantage in our responses. 
We need to show how mean and wasteful the administration is, and point out that 
their biggest hangup to passing any tax increase is the fact that they want 
plenty of new unencumbered tax revenue to pay off their pension debt WITHOUT 
the 
city changing their wasteful spending habits. We need to remind people it will 
be a short period between a NO vote on February 3rd and the April election 
where 
a new council can be elected.

Jim Hornaday



- Original 
Message 
From: Matthew Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
missourilibertycoalition 

Sent: Friday, December 5, 
2008 8:59:19 AM
Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand 
this


Actually, you might do best to not make a big deal of the 
hiring
freeze unless the city is being very visible about it.  They 
obviously
want to use it to scare people into voting in a tax increase.  
That
will only work if a lot of people hear about it and get scared.  
If
the city doesn't do a good job of getting people scared, we don't 
want
to help them out.  Of course, if they do a good job then we're 
better
off making sure people recognize it as a scare tactic.  I just 
think
you don't want to be too quick on the exposee.
Matt

On Dec 4, 
7:50 pm, "Tom Martz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps one of you 
would like to write a piece on the first salvo being
> fired on passing 
the tax increase and submit it to CFP or send it to me and
> I'll forward 
it to Mert.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Charity 
Davis
> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > 
That almost sounds like blackmail or getting cornered nice
>
> 
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> >> I received the Community Free Press yesterday 
and saw that the threats to
> >> our safety has already 
started.
>
> >> A complete freeze of any hiring of police and 
firemen has been put into
> >> place unless the tax increase passes 
in February.
>
> >>   Original Message 

> >> Subject: City Council etc need to understand 
this
> >> From: "Charity Davis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: Thu, December 04, 
2008 6:37 am
> >> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>
> >>http://www.mobudget.org/MO%20Structural%20Deficit%20Report%20final%20...
>
> 
>> The people cannot afford increased taxes.  I really think that 
they will
> >> be paying less then expected, and if they are taxed 
higher, then the revenue
> >> will disappear because people will cut 
back more and more.  From the state
> >> down to the city level 
there needs to be cutting not more spending, or we
> >> could bring 
on the collapse of our state and local governments.
>
> >> If 
people want more, they are going to need to give of their time and
> 
>> talents.  There is going to need to be more creativity in getting 
things
> >> done with less money being spent.  I know that it 
is probably going to be
> >> something that no one really listens 
to, but at least

Re: City Council etc need to understand this

[Tom Martz]

It has to be the water since MoLiCo members drink my own personal brew at
meetings and it is know to have smaller government oxygenation principles
where as government types are drinking government approved municipal water
LOL

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Jerry Blevins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What is unbelievble is that the people of this city is giving thought to
> passing a sales tax to bailout the pension plan without taking a close look
> at what the plan is and how it can be changed to keep us from having to do a
> bailout.  I guess all bureaucrats, city, county, state, and federal, have
> drank the same water and come down with the same disease called "bailout".
>
> -Original Message-
> From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com]On
> Behalf Of James
> Hornaday Jr.
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:55 AM
> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand this
>
>
>
> People:
>
> As a matter of adding to some quick internal discussion, I would suggest
> the city administration has started a serious campaign. It is absolutely
> intended to scare voters that core services will go totally to pot if they
> don't vote "Yes" on February 3rd. This is merely the first shot of serial
> salvos of impending doom that will come from the city, regardless of what we
> do. "Scare" is their key word.
>
> I would further suggest we USE this city tactic to their disadvantage in
> our responses. We need to show how mean and wasteful the administration is,
> and point out that their biggest hangup to passing any tax increase is the
> fact that they want plenty of new unencumbered tax revenue to pay off their
> pension debt WITHOUT the city changing their wasteful spending habits. We
> need to remind people it will be a short period between a NO vote on
> February 3rd and the April election where a new council can be elected.
>
> Jim Hornaday
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Matthew Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: missourilibertycoalition 
> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 8:59:19 AM
> Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand this
>
>
> Actually, you might do best to not make a big deal of the hiring
> freeze unless the city is being very visible about it.  They obviously
> want to use it to scare people into voting in a tax increase.  That
> will only work if a lot of people hear about it and get scared.  If
> the city doesn't do a good job of getting people scared, we don't want
> to help them out.  Of course, if they do a good job then we're better
> off making sure people recognize it as a scare tactic.  I just think
> you don't want to be too quick on the exposee.
> Matt
>
> On Dec 4, 7:50 pm, "Tom Martz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Perhaps one of you would like to write a piece on the first salvo being
> > fired on passing the tax increase and submit it to CFP or send it to me
> and
> > I'll forward it to Mert.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Charity Davis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > That almost sounds like blackmail or getting cornered nice
> >
> > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >> I received the Community Free Press yesterday and saw that the threats
> to
> > >> our safety has already started.
> >
> > >> A complete freeze of any hiring of police and firemen has been put
> into
> > >> place unless the tax increase passes in February.
> >
> > >>   Original Message 
> > >> Subject: City Council etc need to understand this
> > >> From: "Charity Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Date: Thu, December 04, 2008 6:37 am
> > >> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> >
> > >>http://www.mobudget.org/MO%20Structural%20Deficit%20Report%20final%20
> ...
> >
> > >> The people cannot afford increased taxes.  I really think that they
> will
> > >> be paying less then expected, and if they are taxed higher, then the
> revenue
> > >> will disappear because people will cut back more and more.  From the
> state
> > >> down to the city level there needs to be cutting not more spending, or
> we
> > >> could bring on the collapse of our state and local governments.
> >
> > >> If people want more, they are going to need to give of their time and
> > >> talents.  There is going to need to be more creativity in getting
> things
> > >> done with less money being spent.  I know that it is probably going to
> be
> > >> something that no one really listens to, but at least I said it
> anyway.
> >
> > >> --
> > >> While you Were Sleeping
> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
> >
> > > --
> > > While you Were Sleeping
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
> >
> > --http://votetom4council.webs.com/
> >
> > http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com/
> >
> > www.moliberty.org
> >
> > "lite a fire for a man he'll be warm for a day, lite the man on fire and
> > he'll be warm the rest of his life".

RE: City Council etc need to understand this

[Jerry Blevins]

What is unbelievble is that the people of this city is giving thought to
passing a sales tax to bailout the pension plan without taking a close look
at what the plan is and how it can be changed to keep us from having to do a
bailout.  I guess all bureaucrats, city, county, state, and federal, have
drank the same water and come down with the same disease called "bailout".


-Original Message-
From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James
Hornaday Jr.
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:55 AM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand this



People:

As a matter of adding to some quick internal discussion, I would suggest the
city administration has started a serious campaign. It is absolutely
intended to scare voters that core services will go totally to pot if they
don't vote "Yes" on February 3rd. This is merely the first shot of serial
salvos of impending doom that will come from the city, regardless of what we
do. "Scare" is their key word.

I would further suggest we USE this city tactic to their disadvantage in our
responses. We need to show how mean and wasteful the administration is, and
point out that their biggest hangup to passing any tax increase is the fact
that they want plenty of new unencumbered tax revenue to pay off their
pension debt WITHOUT the city changing their wasteful spending habits. We
need to remind people it will be a short period between a NO vote on
February 3rd and the April election where a new council can be elected.

Jim Hornaday



- Original Message 
From: Matthew Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: missourilibertycoalition 
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 8:59:19 AM
Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand this


Actually, you might do best to not make a big deal of the hiring
freeze unless the city is being very visible about it.  They obviously
want to use it to scare people into voting in a tax increase.  That
will only work if a lot of people hear about it and get scared.  If
the city doesn't do a good job of getting people scared, we don't want
to help them out.  Of course, if they do a good job then we're better
off making sure people recognize it as a scare tactic.  I just think
you don't want to be too quick on the exposee.
Matt

On Dec 4, 7:50 pm, "Tom Martz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps one of you would like to write a piece on the first salvo being
> fired on passing the tax increase and submit it to CFP or send it to me
and
> I'll forward it to Mert.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Charity Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > That almost sounds like blackmail or getting cornered nice
>
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> I received the Community Free Press yesterday and saw that the threats
to
> >> our safety has already started.
>
> >> A complete freeze of any hiring of police and firemen has been put into
> >> place unless the tax increase passes in February.
>
> >>   Original Message 
> >> Subject: City Council etc need to understand this
> >> From: "Charity Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: Thu, December 04, 2008 6:37 am
> >> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>
> >>http://www.mobudget.org/MO%20Structural%20Deficit%20Report%20final%20...
>
> >> The people cannot afford increased taxes.  I really think that they
will
> >> be paying less then expected, and if they are taxed higher, then the
revenue
> >> will disappear because people will cut back more and more.  From the
state
> >> down to the city level there needs to be cutting not more spending, or
we
> >> could bring on the collapse of our state and local governments.
>
> >> If people want more, they are going to need to give of their time and
> >> talents.  There is going to need to be more creativity in getting
things
> >> done with less money being spent.  I know that it is probably going to
be
> >> something that no one really listens to, but at least I said it anyway.
>
> >> --
> >> While you Were Sleeping
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
>
> > --
> > While you Were Sleeping
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
>
> --http://votetom4council.webs.com/
>
> http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com/
>
> www.moliberty.org
>
> "lite a fire for a man he'll be warm for a day, lite the man on fire and
> he'll be warm the rest of his life".
>
> Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics
> won't take an interest in you!
> -Pericles (430 B.C.)
>
> "You don't pay taxes - they take taxes."
> ~ Chris Rock~
>
> "no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it"
> ~Will Turner~
> ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~
>
> Save your property rightswww.mo-cpr.org
>
> http://www.radiofreeliberty.com




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Re: City Council etc need to understand this

[James Hornaday Jr.]

People:

As a matter of adding to some quick internal discussion, I would suggest the 
city administration has started a serious campaign. It is absolutely intended 
to scare voters that core services will go totally to pot if they don't vote 
"Yes" on February 3rd. This is merely the first shot of serial salvos of 
impending doom that will come from the city, regardless of what we do. "Scare" 
is their key word.

I would further suggest we USE this city tactic to their disadvantage in our 
responses. We need to show how mean and wasteful the administration is, and 
point out that their biggest hangup to passing any tax increase is the fact 
that they want plenty of new unencumbered tax revenue to pay off their pension 
debt WITHOUT the city changing their wasteful spending habits. We need to 
remind people it will be a short period between a NO vote on February 3rd and 
the April election where a new council can be elected.

Jim Hornaday



- Original Message 
From: Matthew Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: missourilibertycoalition 
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 8:59:19 AM
Subject: Re: City Council etc need to understand this


Actually, you might do best to not make a big deal of the hiring
freeze unless the city is being very visible about it.  They obviously
want to use it to scare people into voting in a tax increase.  That
will only work if a lot of people hear about it and get scared.  If
the city doesn't do a good job of getting people scared, we don't want
to help them out.  Of course, if they do a good job then we're better
off making sure people recognize it as a scare tactic.  I just think
you don't want to be too quick on the exposee.
Matt

On Dec 4, 7:50 pm, "Tom Martz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps one of you would like to write a piece on the first salvo being
> fired on passing the tax increase and submit it to CFP or send it to me and
> I'll forward it to Mert.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Charity Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > That almost sounds like blackmail or getting cornered nice
>
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> I received the Community Free Press yesterday and saw that the threats to
> >> our safety has already started.
>
> >> A complete freeze of any hiring of police and firemen has been put into
> >> place unless the tax increase passes in February.
>
> >>   Original Message 
> >> Subject: City Council etc need to understand this
> >> From: "Charity Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: Thu, December 04, 2008 6:37 am
> >> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>
> >>http://www.mobudget.org/MO%20Structural%20Deficit%20Report%20final%20...
>
> >> The people cannot afford increased taxes.  I really think that they will
> >> be paying less then expected, and if they are taxed higher, then the 
> >> revenue
> >> will disappear because people will cut back more and more.  From the state
> >> down to the city level there needs to be cutting not more spending, or we
> >> could bring on the collapse of our state and local governments.
>
> >> If people want more, they are going to need to give of their time and
> >> talents.  There is going to need to be more creativity in getting things
> >> done with less money being spent.  I know that it is probably going to be
> >> something that no one really listens to, but at least I said it anyway.
>
> >> --
> >> While you Were Sleeping
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
>
> > --
> > While you Were Sleeping
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
>
> --http://votetom4council.webs.com/
>
> http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com/
>
> www.moliberty.org
>
> "lite a fire for a man he'll be warm for a day, lite the man on fire and
> he'll be warm the rest of his life".
>
> Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics
> won't take an interest in you!
> -Pericles (430 B.C.)
>
> "You don't pay taxes - they take taxes."
> ~ Chris Rock~
>
> "no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it"
> ~Will Turner~
> ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~
>
> Save your property rightswww.mo-cpr.org
>
> http://www.radiofreeliberty.com


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Re: City Council etc need to understand this

[Tom Martz]

I hope a few letters turn up in the letter section of the S~N~L proclaiming
it to be a scare tactic which MIGHT get people to thinking.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Matthew Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> Actually, you might do best to not make a big deal of the hiring
> freeze unless the city is being very visible about it.  They obviously
> want to use it to scare people into voting in a tax increase.  That
> will only work if a lot of people hear about it and get scared.  If
> the city doesn't do a good job of getting people scared, we don't want
> to help them out.  Of course, if they do a good job then we're better
> off making sure people recognize it as a scare tactic.  I just think
> you don't want to be too quick on the exposee.
> Matt
>
> On Dec 4, 7:50 pm, "Tom Martz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Perhaps one of you would like to write a piece on the first salvo being
> > fired on passing the tax increase and submit it to CFP or send it to me
> and
> > I'll forward it to Mert.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Charity Davis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > That almost sounds like blackmail or getting cornered nice
> >
> > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >> I received the Community Free Press yesterday and saw that the threats
> to
> > >> our safety has already started.
> >
> > >> A complete freeze of any hiring of police and firemen has been put
> into
> > >> place unless the tax increase passes in February.
> >
> > >>   Original Message 
> > >> Subject: City Council etc need to understand this
> > >> From: "Charity Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Date: Thu, December 04, 2008 6:37 am
> > >> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> >
> > >>http://www.mobudget.org/MO%20Structural%20Deficit%20Report%20final%20.
> ..
> >
> > >> The people cannot afford increased taxes.  I really think that they
> will
> > >> be paying less then expected, and if they are taxed higher, then the
> revenue
> > >> will disappear because people will cut back more and more.  From the
> state
> > >> down to the city level there needs to be cutting not more spending, or
> we
> > >> could bring on the collapse of our state and local governments.
> >
> > >> If people want more, they are going to need to give of their time and
> > >> talents.  There is going to need to be more creativity in getting
> things
> > >> done with less money being spent.  I know that it is probably going to
> be
> > >> something that no one really listens to, but at least I said it
> anyway.
> >
> > >> --
> > >> While you Were Sleeping
> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
> >
> > > --
> > > While you Were Sleeping
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
> >
> > --http://votetom4council.webs.com/
> >
> > http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com/
> >
> > www.moliberty.org
> >
> > "lite a fire for a man he'll be warm for a day, lite the man on fire and
> > he'll be warm the rest of his life".
> >
> > Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean
> politics
> > won't take an interest in you!
> > -Pericles (430 B.C.)
> >
> > "You don't pay taxes - they take taxes."
> > ~ Chris Rock~
> >
> > "no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it"
> > ~Will Turner~
> > ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~
> >
> > Save your property rightswww.mo-cpr.org
> >
> > http://www.radiofreeliberty.com
>
> >
>


-- 
http://votetom4council.webs.com/

http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com/

www.moliberty.org

"lite a fire for a man he'll be warm for a day, lite the man on fire and
he'll be warm the rest of his life".

Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics
won't take an interest in you!
-Pericles (430 B.C.)

"You don't pay taxes - they take taxes."
~ Chris Rock~

"no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it"
~Will Turner~
~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~

Save your property rights
www.mo-cpr.org

http://www.radiofreeliberty.com

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Re: City Council etc need to understand this

[Matthew Block]

Actually, you might do best to not make a big deal of the hiring
freeze unless the city is being very visible about it.  They obviously
want to use it to scare people into voting in a tax increase.  That
will only work if a lot of people hear about it and get scared.  If
the city doesn't do a good job of getting people scared, we don't want
to help them out.  Of course, if they do a good job then we're better
off making sure people recognize it as a scare tactic.  I just think
you don't want to be too quick on the exposee.
Matt

On Dec 4, 7:50 pm, "Tom Martz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps one of you would like to write a piece on the first salvo being
> fired on passing the tax increase and submit it to CFP or send it to me and
> I'll forward it to Mert.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Charity Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > That almost sounds like blackmail or getting cornered nice
>
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> I received the Community Free Press yesterday and saw that the threats to
> >> our safety has already started.
>
> >> A complete freeze of any hiring of police and firemen has been put into
> >> place unless the tax increase passes in February.
>
> >>   Original Message 
> >> Subject: City Council etc need to understand this
> >> From: "Charity Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: Thu, December 04, 2008 6:37 am
> >> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>
> >>http://www.mobudget.org/MO%20Structural%20Deficit%20Report%20final%20...
>
> >> The people cannot afford increased taxes.  I really think that they will
> >> be paying less then expected, and if they are taxed higher, then the 
> >> revenue
> >> will disappear because people will cut back more and more.  From the state
> >> down to the city level there needs to be cutting not more spending, or we
> >> could bring on the collapse of our state and local governments.
>
> >> If people want more, they are going to need to give of their time and
> >> talents.  There is going to need to be more creativity in getting things
> >> done with less money being spent.  I know that it is probably going to be
> >> something that no one really listens to, but at least I said it anyway.
>
> >> --
> >> While you Were Sleeping
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
>
> > --
> > While you Were Sleeping
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1R3KhkMHg
>
> --http://votetom4council.webs.com/
>
> http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com/
>
> www.moliberty.org
>
> "lite a fire for a man he'll be warm for a day, lite the man on fire and
> he'll be warm the rest of his life".
>
> Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics
> won't take an interest in you!
> -Pericles (430 B.C.)
>
> "You don't pay taxes - they take taxes."
> ~ Chris Rock~
>
> "no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it"
> ~Will Turner~
> ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~
>
> Save your property rightswww.mo-cpr.org
>
> http://www.radiofreeliberty.com

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