RE: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

[Jerry Blevins]

This is to Jeremy, let me correct a few things here, Jeremy you have used
what I wrote to mean something that it does not say.  I said:
"I think we get caught up with words meaning different things to different
people, however one thing is for sure, Islam is evil, and I guess if you
have to believe in Islam to be a Muslim then you have to believe in evil and
for me I am in opposition to evil, others may see nothing wrong with evil
and that is their problem."

I did say that Islam is evil, I did not say that all Muslims are evil, that
is a big difference and that needs to be corrected here.  That would be like
saying that some of the things Democrats or Republicans subscribe to are
evil and some of them are, that all Democrats and Republicans are evil, that
just is not true.  Otherwise Jeremy you have taken my statements out of
context.

In regard to conditions you take away the rights of a citizen (and most of
the people we are talking about are not citizens) is TREASON, that is what
our Constitution calls for.

Jerry 


-Original Message-
From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy D.
Young
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:29 PM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

OK.

Under what conditions can you take away the rights of a citizen of the
United States?

This is very basic, and I'm trying to see what the consequences of your
ideas of "Muslims are evil" turn out to be.

On 10/31/2010 08:13 PM, Jerry Blevins wrote:
> This is to Jeremy, I have no problem in an open conversation with this
group
> with my own thought's, I just do not like to reinvent the wheel and this
is
> why I use and will continue to use information that has already addressed
> the issue.
> 
> Jerry

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Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

[Linda Herd]

Jeremy,

According to what I have heard and seen on the News, the Mexicans have been 
treated better than the U.S. citizens, not worse. Has anyone else been informed 
in some manner that the word is from the top that at the polls Mexicans should 
be allowed to vote. I was of the thought that they meant any Mexican should be 
allowed to vote. Just as in Texas the illegals who committed crimes had their 
cases dismissed via word from Obama. I think that this happened. Does anyone 
have any documentation concerning these two items? I was just listening to 
videos and reading news letters. How do we know?
Personally I would believe this because of all the other actions Obamas 
group has taken. Mexicans are his ticket to win. Some say he is a communist and 
I have seen signs that Mexican protesters carry that say death to the American 
government, we want communism. I doubt these people are very well read nor 
truly 
knowledgeable about the type of communism Obama wants. In the Muslim countries 
we have fought, the marchers carry signs that threaten our lives and tell of 
more evil attacks, such that would disable us including the European countries. 
They are serious and I believe plan to do just that. I can not believe that 
these videos are just made by American actors so that we will hate them and 
fear 
them. It seems real to me.

Linda Herd





From: Jeremy D. Young 
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 10:26:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

Fred, thank you for your thoughts on the matter.

Let me preface this by saying that I am not attempting to argue that
Islam is valid, or in its normal practice is good.  Many nations that
profess to be led by Muslims oppress the women of their lands and have
no justice extended to non Muslims.

However, when talking about what we do in the United States, I am
stating very clearly that it is completely unjust to deny God given
rights to people just because we have determined that there is a label
affixed to them that is undesirable by a portion of our population.

I am replying to each concept in-line below:

On 10/31/2010 03:06 PM, Fred B. Ellison wrote:
> Jeremy,
>  
> If you remember history, Ronald Reagan called the Soviet Union an evil
> empire because of the Communist political and economic system that was
> imposed on its own citizens and that its leaders sought to impose on the
> rest of the world. 

1) Ronald Reagan was not Jesus.  He is not an ideal that all people
should aspire to.  He may have been the best President since WWII, but
that really isn't saying saying much.

2) The Soviet Union may have been an evil empire, but it was an
oppressive government.  Did Ronald Reagan call the oppressed citizens of
the USSR evil?  Were they evil when they fled the USSR and immigrated to
the United States?

> I want you to understand in no uncertain terms that I
> personally believe that Islam and all those that believe in it's
> teachings are in the very same way evil. 

All Muslims, even those that were born in the United States are evil in
the same way that the USSR was evil?

All Muslims, even those that have integrated into our society, and have
taken on the American way of life are evil?

Do all Muslims follow all of the beliefs of Islam, or are some Muslims
wishy washy?

Are Muslims just evil in the sense that every human being is fallen and
sinful, or do they have an additional badness to them?

Is every Muslim plotting the death and destruction of every unbeliever
that they come in contact with?

> Islam is not really a religion
> but is a disguise put on a totalitarian political and economic system
> whose primary goal is to subjugate all nations to their system.

Do all 1 billion plus Muslims really believe what you say to be true?

Do the Muslims that were born here believe this?

Do even all of the African Muslims believe this?

How about the Malaysian Muslims?

Do all nations that have a majority Muslim population have a Muslim
government?  (Turkey?)

> The first amendment to the Constitution says "Congress shall make no law
> respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
> exercise thereof;". Therefore, the very basics of Islam as a political
> system which seeks to impose the Islamic religion on all, is a violation
> of the foundation of this nation. 

> To pretend that Muslims do not
> subscribe to a political and economic system which advocates the
> overthrow and conquest of all others is willful disregard of the
> evidence, facts and testimony of its own leaders.
>  
> Some Muslims want to have their cake and eat it too as residents of this
> country where freedom allows them to be successful and wealthy far
> beyond what would be possible in most of the Muslim dominated societies
> of the world. 

This is the American dream.  It is available to everyone no matter their
nation of origin, religion, color, etc.  If they break the 

Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry & grammar.

[Linda Herd]

Jeremy,

I do not think I would want to disagree with what you have written. 

Some are not going to like me for what I say next. You are all so intelligent. 
But, being so intelligent I suppose that you would want to use the English 
language better and better as you go. I notice that in our country today that 
there are certain rules that very few follow. Since Carl is running for the 
School Board I am asking that he try to remember when I correct him on some 
things. He did grow up in the country and was a "Math" teacher. Usually Science 
and Math teachers do not pay so much attention to rules of our language. I like 
languages along with Math and Science. In order to learn another language one 
has to learn more of the English language.  I have studied Latin, Spanish, 
French and English which are all based on the same structure from the Romance 
languages. Of course English is not as orderly because it comes form so many 
immigrants from so many countries. I think if you write quite a bit and do well 
as everyone on this blog does it would be nice to first pay attention to the 
prepositions that are at the ends of sentences. Of, at, up, near, by, to, 
also and more and I think anyone recognizes the prepositions.  That way it 
makes 
this easier. Also many adverbs end in ly. I have taught these things to my son 
so that he talks better than most. It surprises me that he also wants to do 
better all the time. He learns more quickly than most. Once one has learned one 
way through out his life it is hard to change. He sounds pretty well, but 
cannot 
write well. Another thing, good is a noun and well is an adverb. I am good 
means 
I am a good person. I am well means I am healthy. My emails is not perfect, as 
anyone can see, but I try to get better. We are not making a presentation to 
perfection, yet the better we do the better we are regarded by others even 
though it may be a subconscious thought. Just trying to help. I probably write 
less well than anyone because my mind goes faster than my spoken or written 
word. My mind races too quickly actually. I use the simple words because I 
taught school. No excuse. I must say that Jeremy and Eric write well, very 
well. 
If anyone does want to improve this should help. Typos do not really count.

Also the problems we face are worse than ever before in history. I am 
interested 
for the children who will live in this country in the future. May God bless 
your 
family and especially the children for they will live hopefully in a more 
peaceful world if that is ever meant to be. I guess I should say anything worth 
keeping will require work and attention. This country needs some attention if 
we 
love it. We need to work to turn this ship in the opposite direction. Al 
contrario. All of you agree and this is why we are here to discuss our world.

Linda Herd





From: Jeremy D. Young 
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 10:51:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

Linda,

Yes, clearly there are people in the Middle East that are violent.
History tells us that Muslims went upon a Jihad across all of Northern
Africa and were stopped in Spain.

Unfortunately, Constantine (the first Christian Emperor of Rome)
conquered all of Southern Europe, Israel, Northern (Coastal) Africa,
etc.  So just because a people have made war, while claiming to be a
certain religion, doesn't make it the only way to observe that religion.

Here in the United States, we have to treat all people under the same
law.  We treat everyone as Innocent until proven Guilty.  No exceptions
for Race, Religion, Nationality, Gender, etc.

Furthermore, when I told you of the contents of the Quran, I wasn't
arguing that it was true or harmless, simply that the statement "the
Quran is full of hate and violence" was untrue.

There are millions of Muslims that want peace.  They want to live in
their nation and conduct their lives as they see fit.  Many of them are
even starting to want the freedom that our nation used to stand for.
However, in the name of the "War on Terror", our nation is eroding those
basic freedoms.  We are becoming LESS American, Less free.

The "War on Terror" does not justify the loss of Freedoms that so many
are foisting upon us.  I will stand up and fight for the freedom of
people that I disagree with.  I will never support the oppression of an
individual based upon a label.

Jeremy D. Young

On 10/31/2010 04:19 PM, Linda Herd wrote:
> Folks,
>  
> Does this help any of you?  There has been a debate on channel BTV over
> whether or not Islam is a religion of peace or it is a religion of war.
> Both sides were Muslims. One said she was reading out the Que'ran and
> she read that Mohammad wrote that Muslims were to enslave infidels. I
> did not read that. Maybe I missed that. They disagreed with each other
> and it was still never resolved. The one woman said she had been a
> Muslim b

Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

[D L Wells]

*Islam* is the monotheistic* 
religion  articulated by the
Qur’an,
a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of
God(
Arabic : *الله*‎,
Allāh),
and by the teachings and normative example of
Muhammad,
the last Prophet of Islam .
The word 'Islam' means 'Submission (to
God)',[1]
*and an adherent of Islam is called Muslim
.*

The five pillars of Islam: prayer, giving of alms, fasting during the holy
month of Ramadan, pilgrimage to Mecca, and faith.

A *Muslim* or *Moslem*[1]
is an adherent of the
religion  of
Islam.
Literally, the word means "one who submits (to
God)".
*Muslim* is the participle  of the
same verb of which *Islam* is the
infinitive
.[2] 

*Jihad, more specifically "lesser jihad", is what murderers use as
justification to kill:*

*Jihad* means "to strive or struggle" (in the way of God) and is considered
the "Sixth Pillar of Islam"
by a minority of Sunni Muslim
authorities.[61]Jihad,
in its broadest sense, is classically defined as "exerting one's
utmost power, efforts, endeavors, or ability in contending with an object of
disapprobation." Depending on the object being a visible enemy, the devil,
and aspects of one's own self, different categories of Jihad are defined.[62
]  Jihad, when used without
any qualifier, is understood in its military
aspect.[63]
[64]  Jihad also refers to
one's striving to attain religious and moral
perfection.[65]Some
Muslim authorities, especially among the Shi'a and
Sufis , distinguish between the
"greater jihad", which pertains to spiritual self-perfection, and the
"lesser jihad", defined as
warfare.[66]

*Islam as a whole is not evil.  Crazy murderers who focus on "lesser jihad"
is the problem.  Instead of War of Terror, it would make more sense to call
it **War on Lesser Jihad.*

Deb

*Monotheism is the belief in
theologythat only one
deity 
exists.[1]The
concept of "monotheism" tends to be dominated by the concept of
God  in the Abrahamic
religions,
such as Judaism ,
Christianity,
Islam , etc.


On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Jerry Blevins  wrote:

> This is to Jeremy, let me correct a few things here, Jeremy you have used
> what I wrote to mean something that it does not say.  I said:
> "I think we get caught up with words meaning different things to different
> people, however one thing is for sure, Islam is evil, and I guess if you
> have to believe in Islam to be a Muslim then you have to believe in evil
> and
> for me I am in opposition to evil, others may see nothing wrong with evil
> and that is their problem."
>
> I did say that Islam is evil, I did not say that all Muslims are evil, that
> is a big difference and that needs to be corrected here.  That would be
> like
> saying that some of the things Democrats or Republicans subscribe to are
> evil and some of them are, that all Democrats and Republicans are evil,
> that
> just is not true.  Otherwise Jeremy you have taken my statements out of
> context.
>
> In regard to conditions you take away the rights of a citizen (and most of
> the people we are talking about are not citizens) is TREASON, that is what
> our Constitution calls for.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy D.
> Young
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:29 PM
> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry
>
> OK.
>
> Under what conditions can you take away the rights of a citizen of the
> United States?
>
> This is very basic, an

Re: Fw: [MoLiCo] Terrorists

[Linda Herd]

Ya know? Not all Muslims are bad nor terroristic. What we see of them at this 
time is the terrorism enacted by much less than the majority of Muslims. 
However, it is impossible not to notice the tactics of those terrorists. We are 
blinded by them and forget that these forceful and powerful people aren't the 
majority. They do render havoc and evil quite well. They are convincing. They 
do 
cause great danger and I realize that we all know this. We notice this and do 
not talk about the common Muslims for they are not the problem. I have been 
testy at times, I know. Yet the discussion is important and I hope that no one 
will stay angry at any other person. I forgive anyone of what they do very 
quickly. Like in a few short days. I believe that we all are worthy human 
beings 
and am grateful that I can converse with this group. I have learned lots of 
things and that is my purpose in this life. I thank all of you.

Linda Herd





From: Jerry Blevins 
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 9:17:10 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: [MoLiCo] Terrorists


This is to Deb, I repeat, We must face the fact that Islam is evil and if you 
must believe in Islam to be a Muslim (and you do), then the people who 
subscribe 
to that have to believe in evil and that is the truth.
Jerry
 
 
From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of D L Wells
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 1:45 PM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [MoLiCo] Terrorists
 
I'm glad to see that this well-respected person didn't make a blanket statement 
that all Muslims are evil.  


If someone is spewing or advocating violence, I would expect the authorities to 
be at their door asking questions, whether they're Muslim or not.

Jerry, I think where you and I differ on the matter is this:  I believe we 
should leave the non-violent ones out of the conversation and not inadvertently 
lump them in with the violent criminals.  Making a blanket statement about all 
of Islam or all Muslims does just that.

It's just too eerily close to what Hitler said:

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living 
shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler(Mein Kampf).

I can't go down that road by replacing the word "Jew" in this quote with the 
word "Muslim" or "Christian" or "Mexican" or "black person" or "brown person" 
or 
"Catholic" or "homosexual" or any other term.

They are all just people to me.  Some are bad and some are good.

Deb



On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Jerry Blevins  wrote:
This link might put some light on this discussion, don’t know however, a lot of 
people seem to not want to accept the truth.  We must face the fact that Islam 
is evil and if you must believe in Islam to be a Muslim (and you do), then the 
people who subscribe to that have to believe in evil and that is the truth.
 
Look at what a well respected person says:
 
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?aid=11991
 
Jerry
 
From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 11:06 PM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Cc: jeremydyo...@sbcglobal.net

Subject: Re: Fw: [MoLiCo] Terrorists
 
I could not say it better. I knew we were not so far apart. This is great. Read 
the email forwarded on the health care reform.
 
Linda
 



From:Jeremy D. Young 
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 7:10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [MoLiCo] Terrorists

That was a reply to Jerry :)

I'll try to be more explicit when I use "you".

I want to also make it clear that I do not believe that the United
States deserves to be the target of terrorism.  I also do not believe as
some outside this list have claimed that terrorists attack us because
we're free and rich and prosperous.  They do not hate our way of life or
our freedoms.

Through a combination of real events, lies, propaganda, and more, the
terrorists have been whipped into a fervor by leaders with an agenda.
If there was absolutely nothing true about the things these leaders say,
they would never convince anyone to follow them.  The horrors of war
provide them with plenty of material to expand upon and twist into
motivational lies for their aims.  The United States military *has*
killed civilians in their lands.  I believe strongly that our young men
and women serving in the military would never kill civilians
intentionally or without qualms.  However the nature of war and conflict
is that things happen quickly and accidents happen.  Especially in urban
areas.

The terrorists capitalize on these real accidents and mistakes and
attribute evil motivations to the United States.  They claim that the
United States military kills their women and children to punish them for
being Muslims, or to d

[MoLiCo] Fw: OBAMA'S DHIMMITUDE CONCESSIONS GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHAIRA LAW

[Linda Herd]

Folks,

I did find this interesting. Can we learn enough of what we need to know? 
Anyone 
want to tell me what this really means? It seems it says what it says.

Linda



- Forwarded Message 
From: wendell kerr 
To: GOP HQ ; Bunny Kerr ; 
Scott Magil 
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 12:18:53 AM
Subject: Fw: OBAMA'S DHIMMITUDE CONCESSIONS GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHAIRA LAW



>
>PATRIOTS,
>> 
>>Following is a prime example of why I keep saying "Knowledge Is Power!"  
>>Please 
>>make sure everyone you know, including your Congressman and Senators  know 
>>that 
>>you know about Obama's insidious  "Dhimmitude Concessions" to the world's 
>>Muslims.
>> 
>> 
>>Remember folks, "if it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck, it's 
>>definitely  a Duck!"
>> 
>> 
>>    TOGETHER WE STAND -
>>   DIVIDED WE FALL
>> 
>> 
>>  WENDELL KERR
>>   GOD BLESS AMERICA
>> 
>> 
>> GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHARIA LAW?  
>> 
>>Dhimmitude -- What does it mean?   
Obama used it in the health care bill. 
Now isn't this interesting? It was used in the health care law. 
Every day there's another revelation of what Obama and his fellow Democrats 
are 
doing to our country. 
Dhimmitude -- I had never heard the word until now. Type it into Google  
and 
start reading. Pretty interesting. It's on page 107 of the 

healthcare bill. I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists. It is a 
REAL 
word. 

 
Dhimmitude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
* Origin|
* Associations and usage|
* See also|
* References
Dhimmitude is a neologism first found in French denoting an attitude of 
concession, surrender and appeasement towards Islamic demands. It is 
derived by 
adding the productive suffix -tude to the Arabic language adjective...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude - Cached
Dhimmis and Dhimmitude: The Status of Minorities Under ... 
Dhimmitude: the Islamic system of governing populations conquered by jihad 
wars, 
encompassing all of the demographic, ethnic, and religious aspects of the 
political system.www.dhimmitude.org - Cached
Dhimmi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
* Treatment of...|
* The dhimma...|
* Historical...|
* Development...
A dhimmi, is a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with 
sharia 
law. The dhimma is a theoretical contract based on a widely held Islamic 
doctrine granting special status...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi - Cached
OBAMACARE BILL & DHIMMITUDE

Amish , scientologists, christian scientists and Muslims are exempt ..
ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat 
in the 
United States. Muslims are specifically exempted from the  government 
mandate to 
purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax forbeing uninsured. Islam 
considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury" and is 
thus 
banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. -SIZE: 
18pt">ARE EXEMPT...from the requirements of the health care bill. I think 
I could become Amish a whole lot easier than muslim. 

 
Word of the Day: Dhimmitude 
 
How convenient. So, as a Christian, you will have crippling IRS liensplaced 
against all of your assets, including real estate, cattle, and even  
accounts 
receivables, and will face hard prison time because you refuse to buy 
insurance 
or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such 
penalty and 
will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the defacto government 
insurance. 
Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is 
Dhimmitude. 

  
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: It enriches the muslim masters AND serves 
to 
drive conversions to Islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to Islam 
will 
be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation 
X, Y, 
and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don't believe in Christ to 
begin 
with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver 
"Sure, 
you'll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where 
do you 
sign, bro?" 
  This is desperately  important and people need to know about it -- 
quickly! 
>

To check it out on Snopes click here: Health Insurance Exemptions 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp   

>>
>>P.S. WE MUST NEVER OVERLOOK THE IMPORTANCE OF THE  "GROUND ZERO (CORDOBA 
>>PROJECT) MOSQUE" TO THE ISLAMIC RADICALS!
>>    WK 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>Curtis Barrett, Manager
>>Auto By Rent, Inc.
>>417-877-2001
>>www.autobyrent.com
>>Fax:  417

[MoLiCo] Re: From Wendell - Misleading People about Obamacare

[Jeremy D. Young]

1) Obama didn't write the bill.
2) It doesn't contain the word "dhimmi" or dhimmitude or any such thing.
(I searched myself, I didn't rely upon the word of anyone else)

Furthermore, the snopes article linked at the bottom supports statement
2 above.

There's plenty wrong with the Health Care bills that President Obama
signed into law.  There's no reason to spread lies about them.

Obviously, if the bill recognizes that the Government can't force people
to do something that they have religious convictions against, then
that's a foot in the door in winning the overall fight that the
Government doesn't have the right to force anyone to purchase health care.

There's plenty of actual infringement to fight against here.  Why DUCK
it up with racism and bigotry?

Jeremy D. Young

On 10/31/2010 11:24 PM, wendell kerr wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> PATRIOTS,
>  
> Following is a prime example of why I keep saying
> "Knowledge Is Power!"  Please make sure everyone you
> know, including your Congressman and Senators  know that
> you know about Obama's insidious  "Dhimmitude
> Concessions" to the world's Muslims.
>  
>  
> Remember folks, "if it walks like a Duck and quacks like
> a Duck, it's definitely  a Duck!"
>  
>  
> TOGETHER WE STAND -
>DIVIDED WE FALL
>  
>  
>   WENDELL KERR
>GOD BLESS AMERICA
>  
> 
>  GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHARIA LAW? 
>  
> 
> Dhimmitude -- What does it mean?  
> Obama used it in the health care bill. 
> Now isn't this interesting? It was used in the
> health care law. 
> Every day there's another revelation of what
> Obama and his fellow Democrats are doing to our
> country. 
> Dhimmitude -- I had never heard the word until
> now. Type it into Google  and start reading.
> Pretty interesting. It's on page 107 of the
> healthcare bill. I looked this up on Google and
> yep, it exists. It is a REAL word.
>  
> 
> 
>   *Dhimmitude* - Wikipedia, the free
>   encyclopedia
>   
> 
> * Origin
>   
> |
> * Associations and usage
>   
> |
> * See also
>   
> |
> * References
>   
> 
> 
> *Dhimmitude is *a neologism first found in
> French denoting an attitude of concession,
> surrender and appeasement towards Islamic
> demands. It *is *derived by adding the
> productive suffix -tude to the Arabic language
> adjective...
> *en.wikipedia.org*/wiki/*Dhimmitude* - Cached
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Dhimmis and *Dhimmitude*: The Status of
>   Minorities Under ...
>   
> 
> *Dhimmitude*: the Islamic system of governing
> populations conquered by jihad wars,
> encompassing all of the demographic, ethnic, and

Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims in the United States

[Jeremy D. Young]

No, the problem is that you've responded with links and DUCKS and all
kinds of other things that are vague.

So you agree that not all Muslims are evil.  I'm glad we could establish
that.

I don't see why you have trouble understanding how I came to the
conclusion from your statements:

Islam is evil -> must believe in Islam to be Muslim -> Muslims are evil

You can't just write a paragraph or two and be fully understood.

OK, two questions:

1) Repeating the first.  What is the process for taking away someone's
freedom while they reside in the United States?

2) What is the difference between citizens and foreign nationals when
deciding to take away their freedoms or rights?


On 11/01/2010 07:19 AM, Jerry Blevins wrote:
> This is to Jeremy, let me correct a few things here, Jeremy you have used
> what I wrote to mean something that it does not say.  I said:
> "I think we get caught up with words meaning different things to different
> people, however one thing is for sure, Islam is evil, and I guess if you
> have to believe in Islam to be a Muslim then you have to believe in evil and
> for me I am in opposition to evil, others may see nothing wrong with evil
> and that is their problem."
> 
> I did say that Islam is evil, I did not say that all Muslims are evil, that
> is a big difference and that needs to be corrected here.  That would be like
> saying that some of the things Democrats or Republicans subscribe to are
> evil and some of them are, that all Democrats and Republicans are evil, that
> just is not true.  Otherwise Jeremy you have taken my statements out of
> context.
> 
> In regard to conditions you take away the rights of a citizen (and most of
> the people we are talking about are not citizens) is TREASON, that is what
> our Constitution calls for.
> 
> Jerry 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy D.
> Young
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:29 PM
> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry
> 
> OK.
> 
> Under what conditions can you take away the rights of a citizen of the
> United States?
> 
> This is very basic, and I'm trying to see what the consequences of your
> ideas of "Muslims are evil" turn out to be.
> 
> On 10/31/2010 08:13 PM, Jerry Blevins wrote:
>> This is to Jeremy, I have no problem in an open conversation with this
> group
>> with my own thought's, I just do not like to reinvent the wheel and this
> is
>> why I use and will continue to use information that has already addressed
>> the issue.
>>
>> Jerry
> 

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Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: OBAMA'S DHIMMITUDE CONCESSIONS GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHAIRA LAW

[Tom Martz]

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/muslims_exempt_health_insurance_mandate.htm

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Linda Herd wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I did find this interesting. Can we learn enough of what we need to know?
> Anyone want to tell me what this really means? It seems it says what it
> says.
>
> Linda
>
> - Forwarded Message 
> *From:* wendell kerr 
> *To:* GOP HQ ; Bunny Kerr <
> bunnyker...@sbcglobal.net>; Scott Magil 
> *Sent:* Mon, November 1, 2010 12:18:53 AM
> *Subject:* Fw: OBAMA'S DHIMMITUDE CONCESSIONS GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHAIRA LAW
>
>
>  PATRIOTS,
>
> Following is a prime example of why I keep saying "Knowledge Is Power!"
> Please make sure everyone you know, including your Congressman and Senators
> know that you know about Obama's insidious  "Dhimmitude Concessions" to
> the world's Muslims.
>
>
> Remember folks, "if it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck, it's
> definitely  a Duck!"
>
>
> TOGETHER WE STAND -
>DIVIDED WE FALL
>
>
>   WENDELL KERR
>GOD BLESS AMERICA
>
>
>  GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHARIA LAW?
>
>
>   Dhimmitude -- What does it mean?
>  Obama used it in the health care bill.
> Now isn't this interesting? It was used in the health care law.
> Every day there's another revelation of what Obama and his fellow Democrats
> are doing to our country.
> Dhimmitude -- I had never heard the word until now. Type it into Google and 
> start reading. Pretty interesting. It's on page 107 of the
> healthcare bill. I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists. It is a
> REAL word.
>
>   *Dhimmitude* - Wikipedia, the free 
> encyclopedia
>
>- 
> Origin
>|
>- Associations and 
> usage
>|
>- See 
> also
>|
>- 
> References
>
> *Dhimmitude is *a neologism first found in French denoting an attitude of
> concession, surrender and appeasement towards Islamic demands. It *is *derived
> by adding the productive suffix -tude to the Arabic language adjective...
> *en.wikipedia.org*/wiki/*Dhimmitude*-
> Cached
>  Dhimmis and *Dhimmitude*: The Status of Minorities Under 
> ...
> *Dhimmitude*: the Islamic system of governing populations conquered by
> jihad wars, encompassing all of the demographic, ethnic, and religious
> aspects of the political system.
> www.*dhimmitude.org*  - 
> Cached
>  Dhimmi - Wikipedia, the free 
> encyclopedia
>
>- Treatment 
> of...
>|
>- The 
> dhimma...
>|
>- 
> Historical...
>|
>- 
> Development...
>
> A dhimmi, *is *a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with
> sharia law. The dhimma *is *a theoretical contract based on a widely held
> Islamic doctrine granting special status...
> *en.wikipedia.org*/wiki/Dhimmi 

Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: OBAMA'S DHIMMITUDE CONCESSIONS GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHAIRA LAW

[Tom Martz]

Below is the EXACT wording of page 107

107
•J. 55–345
1 dividuals and employers enrolled under the different Ex2
change-participating health benefits plans offered by such
3 entities so as to minimize the impact of adverse selection
4 of enrollees among the plans offered by such entities.
5 (c) SPECIAL INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR THE HEALTH
6 INSURANCE EXCHANGE.—
7 (1) ESTABLISHMENT; APPOINTMENT.—There is
8 hereby established the Office of the Special Inspec9
tor General for the Health Insurance Exchange, to
10 be headed by a Special Inspector General for the
11 Health Insurance Exchange (in this subsection re12
ferred to as the ‘‘Special Inspector General’’) to be
13 appointed by the President, by and with the advice
14 and consent of the Senate. The nomination of an in15
dividual as Special Inspector General shall be made
16 as soon as practicable after the establishment of the
17 program under this subtitle.
18 (2) DUTIES.—The Special Inspector General
19 shall—
20 (A) conduct, supervise, and coordinate au21
dits, evaluations and investigations of the
22 Health Insurance Exchange to protect the in23
tegrity of the Health Insurance Exchange, as
24 well as the health and welfare of participants in
25 the Exchange;

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Tom Martz  wrote:

>
> http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/muslims_exempt_health_insurance_mandate.htm
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Linda Herd wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I did find this interesting. Can we learn enough of what we need to know?
>> Anyone want to tell me what this really means? It seems it says what it
>> says.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> - Forwarded Message 
>> *From:* wendell kerr 
>> *To:* GOP HQ ; Bunny Kerr <
>> bunnyker...@sbcglobal.net>; Scott Magil 
>> *Sent:* Mon, November 1, 2010 12:18:53 AM
>> *Subject:* Fw: OBAMA'S DHIMMITUDE CONCESSIONS GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHAIRA
>> LAW
>>
>>
>>  PATRIOTS,
>>
>> Following is a prime example of why I keep saying "Knowledge Is Power!"
>> Please make sure everyone you know, including your Congressman and Senators
>> know that you know about Obama's insidious  "Dhimmitude Concessions" to
>> the world's Muslims.
>>
>>
>> Remember folks, "if it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck, it's
>> definitely  a Duck!"
>>
>>
>> TOGETHER WE STAND -
>>DIVIDED WE FALL
>>
>>
>>   WENDELL KERR
>>GOD BLESS AMERICA
>>
>>
>>  GATEWAY TO MUSLIM SHARIA LAW?
>>
>>
>>   Dhimmitude -- What does it mean?
>>  Obama used it in the health care bill.
>> Now isn't this interesting? It was used in the health care law.
>> Every day there's another revelation of what Obama and his fellow
>> Democrats are doing to our country.
>> Dhimmitude -- I had never heard the word until now. Type it into Google and 
>> start reading. Pretty interesting. It's on page 107 of the
>> healthcare bill. I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists. It is a
>> REAL word.
>>
>>   *Dhimmitude* - Wikipedia, the free 
>> encyclopedia
>>
>>- 
>> Origin
>>|
>>- Associations and 
>> usage
>>|
>>- See 
>> also
>>|
>>- 
>> References
>>
>> *Dhimmitude is *a neologism first found in French denoting an attitude of
>> concession, surrender and appeasement towards Islamic demands. It *is 
>> *derived
>> by adding the productive suffix -tude to the Arabic language adjective...
>> *en.wikipedia.org*/wiki/*Dhimmitude*-
>> Cached
>>   Dhimmis and *Dhimmitude*: The Status of Minorities Under 
>> ...
>> *Dhimmitude*: the Islamic system of governing populations conquered by
>> jihad wars, encompassing all of the demographic, ethnic, and religious
>> aspects of the political system.
>> www.*dhimmitude.org*  - 
>> Cached

RE: [MoLiCo] Muslims in the United States

[Jerry Blevins]

I answered your question, maybe you do have a problem of understanding, but
here it is again:
" In regard to conditions you take away the rights of a citizen (and 
> most of the people we are talking about are not citizens) is TREASON, 
> that is what our Constitution calls for."

Jerry

-Original Message-
From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy D.
Young
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 8:25 AM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims in the United States

No, the problem is that you've responded with links and DUCKS and all
kinds of other things that are vague.

So you agree that not all Muslims are evil.  I'm glad we could establish
that.

I don't see why you have trouble understanding how I came to the
conclusion from your statements:

Islam is evil -> must believe in Islam to be Muslim -> Muslims are evil

You can't just write a paragraph or two and be fully understood.

OK, two questions:

1) Repeating the first.  What is the process for taking away someone's
freedom while they reside in the United States?

2) What is the difference between citizens and foreign nationals when
deciding to take away their freedoms or rights?


On 11/01/2010 07:19 AM, Jerry Blevins wrote:
> This is to Jeremy, let me correct a few things here, Jeremy you have used
> what I wrote to mean something that it does not say.  I said:
> "I think we get caught up with words meaning different things to different
> people, however one thing is for sure, Islam is evil, and I guess if you
> have to believe in Islam to be a Muslim then you have to believe in evil
and
> for me I am in opposition to evil, others may see nothing wrong with evil
> and that is their problem."
> 
> I did say that Islam is evil, I did not say that all Muslims are evil,
that
> is a big difference and that needs to be corrected here.  That would be
like
> saying that some of the things Democrats or Republicans subscribe to are
> evil and some of them are, that all Democrats and Republicans are evil,
that
> just is not true.  Otherwise Jeremy you have taken my statements out of
> context.
> 
> In regard to conditions you take away the rights of a citizen (and most of
> the people we are talking about are not citizens) is TREASON, that is what
> our Constitution calls for.
> 
> Jerry 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy D.
> Young
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:29 PM
> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry
> 
> OK.
> 
> Under what conditions can you take away the rights of a citizen of the
> United States?
> 
> This is very basic, and I'm trying to see what the consequences of your
> ideas of "Muslims are evil" turn out to be.
> 
> On 10/31/2010 08:13 PM, Jerry Blevins wrote:
>> This is to Jeremy, I have no problem in an open conversation with this
> group
>> with my own thought's, I just do not like to reinvent the wheel and this
> is
>> why I use and will continue to use information that has already addressed
>> the issue.
>>
>> Jerry
> 

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[MoLiCo] Obama Books Entire Taj Mahal Hotel

[Fred B. Ellison]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/24/entire-taj-mahal-hotel-reportedly-booked-obama-mumbai-visit/
Entire Taj Mahal Hotel Reportedly Booked for Obama Mumbai Visit

Published October 24, 2010
| FoxNews.com





President Obama's aides have booked the entire Taj Mahal hotel ahead of the 
president's high-profile visit to the Indian city rocked by a terrorist attack 
two years ago, The Economic Times reports. 
 
The newspaper reported that the Obama administration has reserved all 570 
rooms, as well as the hotel's restaurants, to ensure airtight security when the 
president and first lady Michelle Obama visit Mumbai early next month. Dozens 
of other rooms have been booked elsewhere in the city.
 
The Times reported that downtown Mumbai will be under heavy security while the 
president is in town -- the first leg of a broader Asian trip. In addition, 
U.S. naval and Indian ships reportedly will patrol the waterfront outside the 
hotel to guard against any attacks. 
 
The Taj Mahal hotel was the scene of a three-day battle between Indian 
commandos and terrorists who stormed the luxurious Mumbai landmark as part of 
their deadly rampage through the city in November 2008. The restored hotel 
reopened in August. 



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opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of 
increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all 
its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” - Harry S. 
Truman

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, 
or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and 
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually 
come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State 
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powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and 
thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one 
fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a 
few points and repeat them over and over.”
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”

— Paul Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 
to 1945

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless 
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams

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evil men." - Plato

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RE: [MoLiCo] Muslims in the United States

[Jeremy D. Young]

I doubt I am the only one that has trouble understanding you.  Repeating 
yourself doesn't increase understanding.

On the issue of the Cordoba Project aka Park 51, aka "Terror Mosque", what 
should the New York City, New York State, or Federal Government do?

JDY - Nothing.  If the land is purchased according to existing laws, and the 
builders acquire all of the required permits, then they should be allowed to 
build a building there.

You assert that Islam is evil, and speak in support of people that want to 
"stop the invasion of Islam", but I'm trying to define exactly what you are in 
support of doing to "oppose the evil of Islam".

What can we do domestically to ensure that Sharia law is not instituted?

JDY - Reaffirm the Constitution of the United States.  Oppose all laws that 
create exclusions and exceptions for the favored few.  Repeal unconstitutional 
laws.  Change the rules of Congress.  Roll back the expansion of Executive 
powers.  Make invalid all the laws that were not written by Congress (IRS, 
Departments of Education, Energy, etc).

In your prescription against the evils of Islam, what should the United States 
Federal Government do?

JDY - Slow orderly transfer of all territory back to the people that live in 
Afghanistan and Iraq.  This is not weakness, this is a correction of a wrong 
action.

Are you in support of preemptive war against Iran?  

JDY - No.  If necessary, slowly transfer all purchases of Oil from the Middle 
East to other sources.

How do we identify which of the Muslims in the world are evil enough to make 
war against?

JDY - War should never be started by the United States.  If someone is an 
actual threat to our Nation, we should act swiftly and decisively.  This would 
never require occupation of foreign lands.  

Does someone being evil justify starting a war with them?

JDY - No. 

How about using unmanned drones to kill them and anyone near them?

JDY - This really amounts to playing God.  This is a dangerous policy, and 
should almost never be used.

Should we bomb evil people?

JDY - Bombing Iraq for 10 years did not topple Saddam Hussein.

Should we occupy the lands militarily of nations led by evil people?

JDY - Iraq was too costly in American lives, in American fortunes, and in Iraqi 
lives as well.  Afghanistan was as well.

Maybe I'm just quacking around here, but I don't see how you can assume that we 
understand all the consequences of your ideas of "Islam is evil".

Jeremy D. Young


--- On Mon, 11/1/10, Jerry Blevins  wrote:

> From: Jerry Blevins 
> Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Muslims in the United States
> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 10:39 AM
> I answered your question, maybe you
> do have a problem of understanding, but
> here it is again:
> " In regard to conditions you take away the rights of a
> citizen (and 
> > most of the people we are talking about are not
> citizens) is TREASON, 
> > that is what our Constitution calls for."
> 
> Jerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Jeremy D.
> Young
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 8:25 AM
> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims in the United States
> 
> No, the problem is that you've responded with links and
> DUCKS and all
> kinds of other things that are vague.
> 
> So you agree that not all Muslims are evil.  I'm glad
> we could establish
> that.
> 
> I don't see why you have trouble understanding how I came
> to the
> conclusion from your statements:
> 
> Islam is evil -> must believe in Islam to be Muslim
> -> Muslims are evil
> 
> You can't just write a paragraph or two and be fully
> understood.
> 
> OK, two questions:
> 
> 1) Repeating the first.  What is the process for
> taking away someone's
> freedom while they reside in the United States?
> 
> 2) What is the difference between citizens and foreign
> nationals when
> deciding to take away their freedoms or rights?
> 
> 
> On 11/01/2010 07:19 AM, Jerry Blevins wrote:
> > This is to Jeremy, let me correct a few things here,
> Jeremy you have used
> > what I wrote to mean something that it does not
> say.  I said:
> > "I think we get caught up with words meaning different
> things to different
> > people, however one thing is for sure, Islam is evil,
> and I guess if you
> > have to believe in Islam to be a Muslim then you have
> to believe in evil
> and
> > for me I am in opposition to evil, others may see
> nothing wrong with evil
> > and that is their problem."
> > 
> > I did say that Islam is evil, I did not say that all
> Muslims are evil,
> that
> > is a big difference and that needs to be corrected
> here.  That would be
> like
> > saying that some of the things Democrats or
> Republicans subscribe to are
> > evil and some of them are, that all Democrats and
> Republicans are evil,
> that
> > just is not true.  Otherwise Jeremy you 

[MoLiCo] it is time

[Tom Martz]

to bring the topic of Muslims to a close.  This group when originally formed
was for such items as what is happening with city council and the workings
of the state.  It has been brought to my attention that the conversation
currently under discussion has become more like a NASCAR race where the
posters have now completed a few laps around the topic and yet were back at
the same point we were when first started.  If there is nothing NEW to add
to this discussion the rest of the postings will see there way to the
recycle bin for safe keeping.  Usually I will let something go on until I
hear complaints about the topic or the longevity of such and I'm now
receiving those e-mails to bring this topic to a close.  Anything Muslim
will be deleted until the first of the year then I will start proof reading
to see if it has any relevance to anything.  I'm not infringing upon your
free speech rights either because in a group such as this you are beholden
to the creators guidelines.  Let's remain civil without discriminating
against anyone who has yet to do anyone any harm.

tom

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Re: [MoLiCo] it is time

[James Hornaday Jr.]

Yeah, Rah!






From: Tom Martz 
To: MLC Google Group 
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 1:13:21 PM
Subject: [MoLiCo] it is time


to bring the topic of Muslims to a close.  This group when originally formed 
was 
for such items as what is happening with city council and the workings of the 
state.  It has been brought to my attention that the conversation currently 
under discussion has become more like a NASCAR race where the posters have now 
completed a few laps around the topic and yet were back at the same point we 
were when first started.  If there is nothing NEW to add to this discussion the 
rest of the postings will see there way to the recycle bin for safe keeping.  
Usually I will let something go on until I hear complaints about the topic or 
the longevity of such and I'm now receiving those e-mails to bring this topic 
to 
a close.  Anything Muslim will be deleted until the first of the year then I 
will start proof reading to see if it has any relevance to anything.  I'm not 
infringing upon your free speech rights either because in a group such as this 
you are beholden to the creators guidelines.  Let's remain civil without 
discriminating against anyone who has yet to do anyone any harm.

tom

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free." ~Goethe

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The power to tax involves the power to destroy.
~Justice John Marshall~

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take an interest in you! 

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[MoLiCo] Fw: Don't let union bosses steal tomorrow's election

[Linda Herd]

Folks,

If you do not receive this email blog, I am sending it you.

Linda



- Forwarded Message 
From: Mark Mix 
To: Linda Herd 
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 12:17:32 PM
Subject: Don't let union bosses steal tomorrow's election




Dear Linda,

Just how desperate are the union bosses to get their way in tomorrow's election?

The Wall Street Journal recently reported that no outside group has spent more 
on the 2010 elections than the $87.5 million "incumbent protection program" of 
the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) union.

AFSCME union mogul Gerald McEntee even bragged about the big spending. "And 
we're damn happy it's big. And our members are damn happy it's big--it's their 
money."

But our new poll, conducted by pollster Frank Luntz October 26-28, demonstrates 
that rank-and-file union members overwhelmingly oppose Big Labor's billion 
dollar political blitz.

Sixty percent of union members believe Big Labor's 2010 midterm election 
spending is a wasteful or unnecessary use of union dues and treasuries.

Additionally, 59 percent of union membership would actually vote to replace 
their own “union leadership” if given a secret ballot election to do so, and a 
whopping 72 percent of union members think union bosses should be held more 
accountable to workers.

Recent reports from Nevada alleging union intimidation at early voting 
locations 
and a revealing video in which a teacher union boss speaks nonchalantly about 
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Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

[Linda Herd]

Deb,

This is good and was needed. Thank you and we are all signing off on this. 

Who is going to the next Council meeting? Fred, Carl, Jim, or Dan? This is very 
important. I guess most have seen the art work for the new Gateway to the City 
of Springfield. I think it is an insult to the citizens to spend our money on 
that trash. Truly, does anyone like this stack of poles painted very light 
silver from what I saw? Sometimes I think we need new Council Members and I 
would like to know which person or persons decided to erect this so called 
piece 
of "Art"? Is this what the City believes buildings will look like atfer we have 
been attacked or what?

Linda





From: D L Wells 
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 9:25:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

Islam is the monotheistic* religion articulated by the Qur’an, a text 
considered 
by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Arabic: الله‎, Allāh), and by 
the teachings and normative example of Muhammad, the last Prophet of Islam. The 
word 'Islam' means 'Submission (to God)',[1] and an adherent of Islam is called 
Muslim.

The five pillars of Islam: prayer, giving of alms, fasting during the holy 
month 
of Ramadan, pilgrimage to Mecca, and faith.

A Muslim or Moslem[1] is an adherent of the religion of Islam. Literally, the 
word means "one who submits (to God)". Muslim is the participle of the same 
verb 
of which Islam is the infinitive.[2]

Jihad, more specifically "lesser jihad", is what murderers use as justification 
to kill:

Jihad means "to strive or struggle" (in the way of God) and is considered the 
"Sixth Pillar of Islam" by a minority of Sunni Muslim authorities.[61] Jihad, 
in 
its broadest sense, is classically defined as "exerting one's utmost power, 
efforts, endeavors, or ability in contending with an object of disapprobation." 
Depending on the object being a visible enemy, the devil, and aspects of one's 
own self, different categories of Jihad are defined.[62] Jihad, when used 
without any qualifier, is understood in its military aspect.[63][64] Jihad also 
refers to one's striving to attain religious and moral perfection.[65] Some 
Muslim authorities, especially among the Shi'a and Sufis, distinguish between 
the "greater jihad", which pertains to spiritual self-perfection, and the 
"lesser jihad", defined as warfare.[66]

Islam as a whole is not evil.  Crazy murderers who focus on "lesser jihad" is 
the problem.  Instead of War of Terror, it would make more sense to call it War 
on Lesser Jihad.

Deb

*Monotheism is the belief in theology that only one deity exists.[1] The 
concept 
of "monotheism" tends to be dominated by the concept of God in the Abrahamic 
religions, such as Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.



On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Jerry Blevins  wrote:

This is to Jeremy, let me correct a few things here, Jeremy you have used
>what I wrote to mean something that it does not say.  I said:
>"I think we get caught up with words meaning different things to different
>people, however one thing is for sure, Islam is evil, and I guess if you
>have to believe in Islam to be a Muslim then you have to believe in evil and
>for me I am in opposition to evil, others may see nothing wrong with evil
>and that is their problem."
>
>I did say that Islam is evil, I did not say that all Muslims are evil, that
>is a big difference and that needs to be corrected here.  That would be like
>saying that some of the things Democrats or Republicans subscribe to are
>evil and some of them are, that all Democrats and Republicans are evil, that
>just is not true.  Otherwise Jeremy you have taken my statements out of
>context.
>
>In regard to conditions you take away the rights of a citizen (and most of
>the people we are talking about are not citizens) is TREASON, that is what
>our Constitution calls for.
>
>
>Jerry
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy D.
>Young
>
>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:29 PM
>To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry
>
>
>OK.
>
>Under what conditions can you take away the rights of a citizen of the
>United States?
>
>This is very basic, and I'm trying to see what the consequences of your
>ideas of "Muslims are evil" turn out to be.
>
>On 10/31/2010 08:13 PM, Jerry Blevins wrote:
>> This is to Jeremy, I have no problem in an open conversation with this
>group
>> with my own thought's, I just do not like to reinvent the wheel and this
>is
>> why I use and will continue to use information that has already addressed
>> the issue.
>>
>> Jerry
>
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Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry

[Tom Martz]

A yes the silver pencils, we had these out in CA except the pointed end
was up in the air not the eraser end. No matter whether it is MO or CA they
still are a waste of taxpayer funds and do NOTHING to beautify the area.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Linda Herd  wrote:

> Deb,
>
> This is good and was needed. Thank you and we are all signing off on this.
>
> Who is going to the next Council meeting? Fred, Carl, Jim, or Dan? This is
> very important. I guess most have seen the art work for the new Gateway to
> the City of Springfield. I think it is an insult to the citizens to spend
> our money on that trash. Truly, does anyone like this stack of poles painted
> very light silver from what I saw? Sometimes I think we need new Council
> Members and I would like to know which person or persons decided to erect
> this so called piece of "Art"? Is this what the City believes buildings will
> look like atfer we have been attacked or what?
>
> Linda
>
>  --
> *From:* D L Wells 
> *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Mon, November 1, 2010 9:25:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Muslims Are Evil According to Jerry
>
> *Islam* is the monotheistic* 
> religion  articulated by the 
> Qur’an,
> a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of 
> God(
> Arabic : *الله*‎, 
> Allāh),
> and by the teachings and normative example of 
> Muhammad,
> the last Prophet of Islam .
> The word 'Islam' means 'Submission (to 
> God)',[1]
> *and an adherent of Islam is called 
> Muslim
> .*
>
> The five pillars of Islam: prayer, giving of alms, fasting during the holy
> month of Ramadan, pilgrimage to Mecca, and faith.
>
> A *Muslim* or *Moslem*[1]is 
> an adherent of the
> religion  of 
> Islam.
> Literally, the word means "one who submits (to 
> God)".
> *Muslim* is the participle  of
> the same verb of which *Islam* is the 
> infinitive
> .[2] 
>
> *Jihad, more specifically "lesser jihad", is what murderers use as
> justification to kill:*
>
> *Jihad* means "to strive or struggle" (in the way of God) and is
> considered the "Sixth Pillar of 
> Islam"
> by a minority of Sunni Muslim 
> authorities.[61]Jihad, 
> in its broadest sense, is classically defined as "exerting one's
> utmost power, efforts, endeavors, or ability in contending with an object of
> disapprobation." Depending on the object being a visible enemy, the devil,
> and aspects of one's own self, different categories of Jihad are defined.[
> 62]  Jihad, when used
> without any qualifier, is understood in its military 
> aspect.[63]
> [64]  Jihad also refers
> to one's striving to attain religious and moral 
> perfection.[65]Some Muslim 
> authorities, especially among the Shi'a and
> Sufis , distinguish between the
> "greater jihad", which pertains to spiritual self-perfection, and the
> "lesser jihad", defined as 
> warfare.[66]
>
> *Islam as a whole is not evil.  Crazy murderers who focus on "lesser
> jihad" is the problem.  Instead of War of Terror, it would make more sense
> to call it **War on Lesser Jihad.*
>
> Deb
>
> *Monotheism is the belief in 
> theologythat only one
> deity  
> exists.[1]The concept 
> of "monotheism" tends to be dominated by the concept of
> God  in the Abrahamic 
> religions,
> such as Judaism , 
> Christianity,
> Islam , etc.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Jerry Blevins  wrote:
>
>> This is to Jeremy, let me correct a few things here, Jeremy you have used
>> what I wrote to mean something that it does not say.  I said:
>> "I think we get caught up with words