Re: [MoLiCo] Executive Orders over the years
A LOT of misinformation in this post. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php Obama has 203 so far as compared to 291 for W. Bush On Mar 3, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Fred Ellison f...@ellisonformissouri.org wrote: From: freedomfightersforamer...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomfightersforamer...@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 2:21 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [freedomfightersforamerica] Executive orders over the years Remember that the US President only has jurisdiction over DC, federal employees, federal territories, and the military in time of war. He nor Congress never have authority or jurisdiction over the American people. They cannot impose any legislation affecting the people directly EVER. They get away with what they do because people are not informed. Read the Constitution and be informed M.. During our lifetimes, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders. For various reasons, some have issued more than others: . Ike - 2 in 8 year Kennedy - 4 in 3 year LBJ - 4 in 5 years Nixon - 1 in 6 years Ford - 3 in 2 years Carter - 3 in 4 years Reagan - 5 in 8 years Bush - 3 in 4 years Clinton - 15 in 8 years George W. Bush - 62 in 8 years Obama - 923 in 3 1/2 years! More than 1000+ and counting Executive Orders in 6 years... Read some of them below Next step -dictatorship. (Looks like we are there already!). And most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening. WHAT IS OBAMA REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ? Remember what he told Russia 's Putin: “I'll be more flexible after I'm reelected?” EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 -- allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 -- allows the government to seize and control the communication media. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 -- allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 -- allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 -- allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 -- allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare function .EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 -- designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 -- allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 -- allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 -- allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 -- assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 -- specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 -- grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 -- allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. Financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. Obama has issued executive orders that seek to harmonize U.S. Economic regulations with the rest of the world. These executive orders are yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American Union and a one world economic system. Obama used the stage at the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s I have a dream speech to announce two new executive orders infringing on your second amendment rights.. The first bans the importation of antique military firearms for sale to sportsman and collectors.. He intentionally mislabels them military grade weapons to deceive the sheeple, but make no mistake . . . the order was written specifically to ban the importation of surplus M1 carbines, M1 Garands, 1903 Springfields and other antiques coveted by collectors and
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: MODOT CARES.. REMEMBER THIS NEXT TIME YOU BUY A GALLON OF MILK...
Good one Tom, JUST REMEMBER, MODOT CARES isn't that kind of like, I am from the IRS and I am here to help you. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan THE MESSAGE AND INFORMATION CONTAINED IN OR ATTACHED TO THIS EMAIL IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSON(S) NAMED ABOVE. THE MESSAGE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS PRIVA-CY ACT, 18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2510-2521. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER BY REPLY EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED THE EMAIL IN ERROR AND PLEASE DELETE IT IMME-DIATELY WITHOUT OPENING ANY OF THE ATTACHMENTS. THANK YOU. From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 8:30 AM To: MLC Google Group Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: MODOT CARES.. REMEMBER THIS NEXT TIME YOU BUY A GALLON OF MILK... -- Forwarded message -- From: frankdeb1...@reagan.com Date: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:27 AM Subject: MODOT CARES.. REMEMBER THIS NEXT TIME YOU BUY A GALLON OF MILK... To: Photo: If you wonder why milk prices are so hi, Perhaps you should call the Missouri Highway Department and ask why they did not salt this stretch of highway covered with at least 1/4th of a inch of ice...This is a one year old Peterbuilt that wrecked on Febuary 1st 2014 The excuse i heard is they were out of salt. JUST REMEMBER, MODOT CARES! There is a cost to getting food to your table https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/p480x480/15148_23 5746519931059_528047833_n.jpg If you wonder why milk prices are so hi, Perhaps you should call the Missouri Highway Department and ask why they did not salt this stretch of highway in western Missouri. it was covered with at least 1/4th of a inch of ice...This is a one year old Peterbuilt that wrecked on Febuary 1st 2014 The excuse i heard is they were out of salt. JUST REMEMBER, MODOT CARES! There is a cost to getting food to your tableNo drivers were hurt during the attempted delivery of this milk. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [MoLiCo] FW: The photo Obama doesn't want you to see
Great photo and a good example of why we are in trouble, I think we need to clean house and start over! Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan THE MESSAGE AND INFORMATION CONTAINED IN OR ATTACHED TO THIS EMAIL IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSON(S) NAMED ABOVE. THE MESSAGE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY ACT, 18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2510-2521. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER BY REPLY EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED THE EMAIL IN ERROR AND PLEASE DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT OPENING ANY OF THE ATTACHMENTS. THANK YOU. From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred B. Ellison Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 11:30 AM To: Missouri Liberty Coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] FW: The photo Obama doesn't want you to see Steve Stockman is worthy of our support to get rid of this RINO! Fred Dear patriot, I’m going to show you the photo Barack Obama doesn’t want you to see. Please share it with as many friends as possible! http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/cimages/5d41f81235261337843febc7e406bdf3/CornynLovesBarackSmall.jpg That’s Republican Senate Whip John Cornyn, excited to meet Barack Obama. It was snapped on March 13, 2013 by Corbis pool photographer Drew Angerer. You can buy it from Corbis, a media photo service. And Cornyn and Barack Obama have good reason to shake hands like business partners. You see, if Republicans really wanted to stop Obama they could. We control the House and we have the votes in the Senate to stop Obama through a filibuster. So why is Obama getting pretty much whatever he wants? Because Republicans like John Cornyn are giving it to him. Yes, Republican leaders actually help pass the Obama agenda because they think disagreement is bad for America. And Cornyn is their ringleader. Just look at what he has done to assist Obama. Cornyn voted twice to fund Obamacare (2013 Roll Call Votes 44 206) Cornyn voted with Democrats to kill Ted Cruz’s filibuster to stop Obamacare (2013 Roll Call Vote 206) Cornyn voted with Democrats twice to kill the Republican filibuster of Obama's amnesty scheme (2013 Roll Call Votes 146 147,) which I then killed in the House with my blue slip resolution Cornyn voted with Democrats twice to kill the Republican filibuster of Obama's judicial nominee David G. Hamilton, a pro-abortion, anti-gun liberal who as an Indiana judge banned prayers mentioning Jesus, but specifically allowed prayers mentioning Allah (2009 Roll Call Vote 349) Cornyn voted with Democrats to let Obama make appointments without Senate confirmation (2011 Roll Call Vote 101) Cornyn voted with Democrats to let Obama raise the debt ceiling (2011 Roll Call Vote 123) Cornyn told Texas Monthly magazine “I hope we’ll be less confrontational” with Obama (Jan. 2014 issue) Republican Senate staff tell Breitbart News that Cornyn is “leading the fight to fully fund Obamacare” (Sept. 23, 2013) Republican Senate staff also tell Breitbart News “nobody is fighting harder to make sure Obamacare is funded” than Cornyn No wonder Obama – and Cornyn – don’t want you to see this photo! So could you do something for me? Please forward this email to as many friends as you can. http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/17250806:18629146915:m:1:473041835:E068B94E1FABECFA381E97742658F8F4:r And, if you could, could you please go here to chip in $5 or more? Your support has meant so much to me. I’m so thankful you are standing with me in the March 4 Republican primary. Warmest wishes, http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/cimages/5d41f81235261337843febc7e406bdf3/StockmanSignatureBlue.jpg Congressman Steve Stockman Conservative Republican for U.S. Senate. P.S. It’s the photo Barack Obama doesn’t want you to see! And it’s because he’s only getting what he wants because Republicans like John Cornyn vote to give it to him. So please, forward it to as many friends as possible! http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/17250806:18629146915:m:1:473041835:E068B94E1FABECFA381E97742658F8F4:r And if you could, please go here to chip in $5 or more to help get this out to every Republican vote. http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/cimages/5d41f81235261337843febc7e406bdf3/FECSMALL.jpg http://www.paramountcommunication.com http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/imagelibrary/N-18629146915-F7C51CAA4F13763316556E667423267A.jpg -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional
Re: [MoLiCo] FW: Surprised by Obamacare (Paul Jacob asks the question begged by the latest litany)
Yep - The chickens are coming home to roost. Obama has lied to us since before 2008 and is still lying. It is hard for me to feel sorry for all those left-wing , wide-eyed, liberals who voted not only once but twice for Obama; they are reaping their rewards. John Boehner has said it correctly, Obamacare is a absolute failure. By current estimates, the so called 12 Million who were supposed to benefit from Obamacare will now see their rates go up and up and up. There are NO free lunches. From: Fred B. Ellison fbelli...@yahoo.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Cc: rl...@yahoogroups.com rl...@yahoogroups.com; Campaign for Liberty-SGF springfield...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:54 AM Subject: [MoLiCo] FW: Surprised by Obamacare (Paul Jacob asks the question begged by the latest litany) Surprised by Obamacare So, wait, Obamacare is not free? Pre-Obamacare, George Schwab paid $228 a month for health insurance. Now he must pay $1,208 a month for a comparable plan. “The president told the American people numerous times that ‘If you like your coverage, you can keep it.’ How can we keep it if it has been eliminated? How can we keep it if the premium has been increased 430 percent . . . ?” He sounds surprised. Michael Hood paid $324 a month. Now it’s $895. “The president told us Obamacare would make health insurance affordable and reduce costs. It is now impossible for our family to afford private health insurance.” He sounds surprised. Tom Waschura is getting socked with a $10,000-per-year addition to his family policy. “I was laughing at Boehner — until the mail came today.” He sounds surprised. Cindy Vinson must pay $1,800 more a year. “I want people to have health care. I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.” She sounds surprised. At the Healthcare.gov Facebook page, Dema Zinger says “I am so disappointed. These prices are outrageous and there are huge deductibles.” She sounds surprised. If government massively transfers private insurance policy costs from each according to ability (younger, healthier, richer) to each according to alleged need (older, sicker, poorer), there’s a good chance the former will end up paying more whether they liked their pre-Obamacare policies or not. Which is a surprise because . . . ? This is Common Sense. I’m Paul Jacob. -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [MoLiCo] FW: Surprised by Obamacare (Paul Jacob asks the question begged by the latest litany)
John Boehner has said it correctly, Obamacare is a absolute failure. Then why did the GOP allow it to become law, and then continue to fund it?? And please don't tell me they could not stop it. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gargus Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:33 AM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] FW: Surprised by Obamacare (Paul Jacob asks the question begged by the latest litany) Yep - The chickens are coming home to roost. Obama has lied to us since before 2008 and is still lying. It is hard for me to feel sorry for all those left-wing , wide-eyed, liberals who voted not only once but twice for Obama; they are reaping their rewards. John Boehner has said it correctly, Obamacare is a absolute failure. By current estimates, the so called 12 Million who were supposed to benefit from Obamacare will now see their rates go up and up and up. There are NO free lunches. _ From: Fred B. Ellison fbelli...@yahoo.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Cc: rl...@yahoogroups.com rl...@yahoogroups.com; Campaign for Liberty-SGF springfield...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:54 AM Subject: [MoLiCo] FW: Surprised by Obamacare (Paul Jacob asks the question begged by the latest litany) Surprised by Obamacare So, wait, Obamacare is not free? Pre-Obamacare, George Schwab paid $228 a month for health insurance. Now he must pay $1,208 a month for a comparable plan. The president told the American people numerous times that 'If you like your coverage, you can keep it.' How can we keep it if it has been eliminated? How can we keep it if the premium has been increased 430 percent . . . ? He sounds surprised. Michael Hood paid $324 a month. Now it's $895. The president told us Obamacare would make health insurance affordable and reduce costs. It is now impossible for our family to afford private health insurance. He sounds surprised. Tom Waschura is getting socked with a $10,000-per-year addition to his family policy. I was laughing at Boehner - until the mail came today. He sounds surprised. Cindy Vinson must pay $1,800 more a year. I want people to have health care. I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally. She sounds surprised. At the Healthcare.gov http://healthcare.gov/ Facebook page, Dema Zinger says I am so disappointed. These prices are outrageous and there are huge deductibles. She sounds surprised. If government massively transfers private insurance policy costs from each according to ability (younger, healthier, richer) to each according to alleged need (older, sicker, poorer), there's a good chance the former will end up paying more whether they liked their pre-Obamacare policies or not. Which is a surprise because . . . ? This is Common Sense. I'm Paul Jacob. -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: April 2 is one week away!
I will be voting against the issues, much can be done without raising taxes. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan THE MESSAGE AND INFORMATION CONTAINED IN OR ATTACHED TO THIS EMAIL IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSON(S) NAMED ABOVE. THE MESSAGE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY ACT, 18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2510-2521. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER BY REPLY EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED THE EMAIL IN ERROR AND PLEASE DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT OPENING ANY OF THE ATTACHMENTS. THANK YOU. From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:39 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: April 2 is one week away! _ From: Office Of Superintendent Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:21 AM To: All Staff Subject: April 2 is one week away! Importance: High SPS employees: A week from today is Election Day when voters will decide whether to invest in the future of our schools. Proposition Teachers for Kids and Proposition Classrooms for Kids will provide SPS operating funds to hire more teachers and invest $71.65 million in improving our schools. I hope all of you are already familiar with these proposals and how they will benefit our students and employees but I want to emphasize two important points: 1.Every classroom at every school would benefit from expanded broadband internet access and computer replacements. This will allow teachers to more effectively use internet-connected devices for instruction. 2.More teachers will be hired to help address overcrowded classrooms. Parents and teachers tell us they believe smaller class sizes are beneficial. This will help keep class sizes manageable so teachers can focus on the individual learning needs of students. If you haven’t already, I encourage you to take time in the next few days to review details of these two proposals. This funding request is unique because it requires approval of both proposals to accomplish our goals of hiring more teachers and adding classrooms. To find out more, read our website http://www.springfieldpublicschoolsmo.org/pages/SPSMO/DistrictInfo/Bond___L evy_Information/2013 or watch a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwwoU-fk1Q of teachers describing the need. One other important point: You don't have to live within the Springfield city limits to vote April 2 on Proposition Teachers for Kids and Proposition Classrooms for Kids. If you live within the boundaries of Springfield Public Schools' attendance area and are registered to vote, you may vote on these issues. A few people have asked me about this and I don’t want there to be any confusion. Just remember, if you pay taxes to support SPS you may vote on school issues like school board elections or bond and levy proposals. We have seven days left to remind our voters to go to the polls April 2. Please help us spread the word. It’s easy to do. Just e-mail the video link below with 10 people you know or, for those of you who use social media, post it to Facebook or Twitter and ask your friends to share it with others. Here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jXrIs3AKsM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jXrIs3AKsMfeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Thank you. Dr. Norm Ridder Superintendent of Schools Springfield Public Schools http://www.springfieldpublicschoolsmo.org www.springfieldpublicschoolsmo.org -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: April 2 is one week away!
Sorry, I intended to include the following link to details of “much can be done without raising taxes: http://www.news-leader.com/article/20130323/OPINIONS02/303230014?odyssey=mod |mostcom Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan THE MESSAGE AND INFORMATION CONTAINED IN OR ATTACHED TO THIS EMAIL IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSON(S) NAMED ABOVE. THE MESSAGE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY ACT, 18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2510-2521. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER BY REPLY EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED THE EMAIL IN ERROR AND PLEASE DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT OPENING ANY OF THE ATTACHMENTS. THANK YOU. From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Blevins Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:28 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: April 2 is one week away! I will be voting against the issues, much can be done without raising taxes. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan THE MESSAGE AND INFORMATION CONTAINED IN OR ATTACHED TO THIS EMAIL IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSON(S) NAMED ABOVE. THE MESSAGE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY ACT, 18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2510-2521. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER BY REPLY EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED THE EMAIL IN ERROR AND PLEASE DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT OPENING ANY OF THE ATTACHMENTS. THANK YOU. From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:39 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: April 2 is one week away! _ From: Office Of Superintendent Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:21 AM To: All Staff Subject: April 2 is one week away! Importance: High SPS employees: A week from today is Election Day when voters will decide whether to invest in the future of our schools. Proposition Teachers for Kids and Proposition Classrooms for Kids will provide SPS operating funds to hire more teachers and invest $71.65 million in improving our schools. I hope all of you are already familiar with these proposals and how they will benefit our students and employees but I want to emphasize two important points: 1.Every classroom at every school would benefit from expanded broadband internet access and computer replacements. This will allow teachers to more effectively use internet-connected devices for instruction. 2.More teachers will be hired to help address overcrowded classrooms. Parents and teachers tell us they believe smaller class sizes are beneficial. This will help keep class sizes manageable so teachers can focus on the individual learning needs of students. If you haven’t already, I encourage you to take time in the next few days to review details of these two proposals. This funding request is unique because it requires approval of both proposals to accomplish our goals of hiring more teachers and adding classrooms. To find out more, read our website http://www.springfieldpublicschoolsmo.org/pages/SPSMO/DistrictInfo/Bond___L evy_Information/2013 or watch a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwwoU-fk1Q of teachers describing the need. One other important point: You don't have to live within the Springfield city limits to vote April 2 on Proposition Teachers for Kids and Proposition Classrooms for Kids. If you live within the boundaries of Springfield Public Schools' attendance area and are registered to vote, you may vote on these issues. A few people have asked me about this and I don’t want there to be any confusion. Just remember, if you pay taxes to support SPS you may vote on school issues like school board elections or bond and levy proposals. We have seven days left to remind our voters to go to the polls April 2. Please help us spread the word. It’s easy to do. Just e-mail the video link below with 10 people you know or, for those of you who use social media, post it to Facebook or Twitter and ask your friends to share it with others. Here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jXrIs3AKsM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jXrIs3AKsMfeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Thank you. Dr
RE: [MoLiCo] join us on friday
MO-Resistance Reclaiming Missouri for Christ-Action Forward this message to a friend! Core Curriculum? Ask the Legislature to READ THE STANDARDS BEFORE PASSING THE STANDARDS!! Ask the Legislature to COUNT THE COST before encumbering our state. At one time, the American education system led the world. But over the last 50 years we have been in a steady free fall. What changed? We gave up local control of education to the Federal government and the UN standards to which the Department of Education adheres. Every few years, they rename and revamp a new system (Goals 2000, No Child Left Behind, Race To The Top, Core Curriculum, etc.) that is failing to educate our children, but is successfully indoctrinating them to think globally and enviromentally as Agenda 21 driven global citizens rather than hard working, God fearing, common scense Americans. We teach them that America is an imperialistic nation, rather than an exceptional nation. Rather than teaching facts and truths, we are teaching about feelings and collectivism. The Federal Government has NO AUTHORITY in the Constitution to establish a Federal School System. However, the Federal Government, that is currently almost $17 trillion in debt, baits us to adopt Federal guidelines by contributing to our states education budget. They assume complete control! Talk about the tail wagging the dog. Call the Governor, your Senator and your State Rep and politely ask them to oppose any bill that advances the Core Curriculum until they have PERSONALLY done the following: 1.) Read the curriculum for themselves entirely, before deciding that it is best for our children. Didn't we mock Pelosi for stating that we had to pass Obamacare before we could find out what is in it? 2.) Do an official study and count the cost to our state of implementing the Core Curriculum. Independent analysis shows that it will cost our state millions of dollars to implement Core Curriculum. If we have so much extra money, why do they keep talking about the need for MORE revenue? We Christians must stop being hypocrites. We complain about Federal Government intrusion and we complain about the Federal deficit, but we stand in support of those in Jefferson City and D.C. that do such things? Our schools will not close if we don't implement the Core Curriculum this year. At least know what you are buying and how much it's going to cost before you buy it. YOU MUST CALL TODAY! Blessings- Mark Kiser Abolitionist Society of Missouri Reclaiming Missouri for Christ Every Christian is either a missionary or an impostor. -C.H. Spurgeon Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan THE MESSAGE AND INFORMATION CONTAINED IN OR ATTACHED TO THIS EMAIL IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSON(S) NAMED ABOVE. THE MESSAGE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY ACT, 18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2510-2521. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER BY REPLY EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED THE EMAIL IN ERROR AND PLEASE DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT OPENING ANY OF THE ATTACHMENTS. THANK YOU. From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:49 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] join us on friday http://americansforprosperity.org/missouri/event/how-to-defeat-local-tax-inc reases/ -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: [MoLiCo] gun free Battlefield Mall
Alice, I went this route about a year ago. Recently All About Dogs and Cats across from the mall hung a sign banning firearms in the store. They said it was because of insurance requirements but they lied so I don't purchase my pet foods there any longer. On line retail outlets are happy to have my business. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM, alice rainbolt alice.rainb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As some of you may know, I thoroughly enjoy mall walking in the morning before the stores open (less expensive that way). I also have some strong feelings about gun-free zones and believe it does make those in the zone simply a shooting gallery target. Here in Springfield we have one indoor mall, Battlefield Mall, and today I have decided I will no longer walk the mall nor shop in any of the stores in the mall. Therefore, I have contacted the Mall offices to let them know of my decision and have also contacted the anchor stores to make them aware of my decision. While one person may not have an impact, if more people were to do the same, I think we could bring some common sense to bear on these enterprises who refuse to acknowledge concealed carry. For those of you in Springfield, here are the following phone numbers for the stores: Battlefield Mall - 417-883-4111 Macy's - 417-882-1500 J.C. Penneys - 417-883-4220 Sears - 417-888-4800 Dillards - 417-883-4550 By the way, I was told that Dillards does have armed security (off duty cops) that are armed; however, the Mall security personnel are NOT armed. Please let me know if you should decide to participate in this self defense rights campaign. Thank you and God bless. -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups missourilibertycoalition group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to missourilibertycoalition+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [MoLiCo] Bank of America - Opposes 2nd Amendment
I did a little research, and you can find back in April information on McMillan's Facebook page about the situation. Bank of America of course claims it was a misunderstanding, but hasn't sought to regain the business of McMillan group. McMillan has discovered that they cannot reject Credit Card payments based upon which bank issued the card, so that part didn't pan out. Bank of America had plenty of other reasons for self respecting people to not do business with them. I recommend smaller local banks and credit unions as well. Jeremy D. Young On 12/3/2012 10:09 AM, Fred B. Ellison wrote: Every American that believes in the Constitution and American sovereignty should immediately close their accounts at Bank of America and move them to locally owned and managed banks or credit unions. Fred McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona, was contacted by Bank of America and informed that they will no longer be allowed to use their services ( Bank of America ) because they are in the firearms business and support the second amendment. I am fine with you re-posting it. . . . . . . . Thank for your support. Kelly D. McMillan Director of Operations McMillan Group International, LLC 623-582-9635 1638 W Knudsen Dr Phoenix, Arizona 85027 McMillan Integrity-Global Vision_ _http://www.mcmillanusa.com/ Become a fan of McMillan on Facebook_ _http://www.facebook.com/McMillanGroupInternational http://www.facebook.com/McMillanGroupInternational%A0 McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing, McMillan Group International have been collectively banking with Bank of America for 12 years. Today Mr. Ray Fox, Senior Vice President, Market Manager, Business Banking, Global Commercial Banking (Bank of America) came to my office. He scheduled the meeting as an account analysis meeting in order to evaluate the two lines of credit we have with them. He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed in the last 5 years and have become more of a firearms manufacturer than a supplier of accessories. At this point I interrupted him and asked Can I possibly save you some time so that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to tell me is that because we are in the firearms manufacturing business you no longer want my business. That is correct, he says. I replied That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as possible. We can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad to have our business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and everyone one I know that BofA is not firearms-industry friendly? You have to do what you must, he said. So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is that right? Mr. Fox confirmed that it was. At which point I told him that the meeting was over and there was nothing left for him to say. I think it is important for all Americans who believe in and support our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms should know when a business does not support these rights. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don't agree with a business' political position, I cannot, in good conscience support them. We will soon no longer be accepting Bank of America credit cards as payment for our products. Kelly D. McMillan Director of Operations McMillan Group International, LLC 623-582-9635 1638 W Knudsen Dr Phoenix, Arizona 85027 McMillan Integrity-Global Vision_ _http://www.mcmillanusa.com/ Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” - Harry S. Truman Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” “Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.” — Paul Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. - Samuel Adams The price good men pay for indifference
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: I don't know anything
I would actually argue that if Romney had won the Presidency he wouldn't have held off the ruin that is upon us and then the Republicans would have been blamed for that ruin. This could have caused a harder statist turn (some consider this to the left) where people have to give the Government even more control: * To prevent complete economic meltdown * To protect urban people from Militias * To quell uprisings * To prevent terrorism * To even the economic playing field * To secure America's Interests (aka Oil that doesn't belong to us) * etc * etc In that scenario, we would have been far worse than if the ruin is realized in Obama's second term. Hear me clearly: I do not wish ruin upon this country. However, consider the lessons of the Great Depression: * Government Intervention enriches the favored few * Government Intervention consolidates power and control * Government Intervention deepens the recession * Freedom, budget cuts, and tax cuts cause Americans to thrive (after WWII) We're in a major Dollar Depression. We don't know how long it will last, but we know there is pain still yet to come. No one can prevent that pain. If the Dollar Depression gets driven deeper, we risk becoming the Weimar Republic, or Zimbabwe. All it will take is a panic of sufficient size to drive a large enough chunk of Dollar holders to bail out and say enough is enough. Once that point comes, there will be no pulling it back. China will be forced to call its debt, the Federal Reserve will pay it off with inflationary new Dollars, and will probably be unable to sell Treasury bonds at any rate of interest. Everyone with Dollar denominated savings will have their wealth evaporate practically overnight. A new currency will be hailed as our savior. Whether it is the Amero, or maybe some new world currency that will take over for both the Dollar and the Euro, we will have lost our sovereignty. There is yet hope. The Free Competition in Currency Act (https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/honest-money/) would allow ordinary citizens to conduct business in whatever Currency they saw fit. Purchasing and holding gold would no longer be considered a taxable investment. You could hold Euros, Yuan, Yen, or anything else you wanted to try to protect yourself against the collapse of the dollar. This is not the only factor in the whole equation, but it's very significant. Tell your representative and senators to legalize Honest Money, and allow people to trade directly in Gold and Silver. The way out of the pit we're already in is to admit that we have a deep hole to dig out of instead of pretending that we're not in that pit. We have to force the Federal Government to Balance the Budget, and end currency manipulation by the Federal Reserve. Eliminate the Dual Mandate, and make the Federal Reserve only responsible for controlling inflation. Make the Currency as strong as it can be. There will be Bankruptcy, more Foreclosures, calling of debts, and many people will realize that we're far less rich than we imagined, but getting rid of the lies in the form of bad debts, bad investments, and letting everyone get back to rebuilding will get us on the road to recovery faster than pretending we're already on the road. Consider that whatever partisan allegiance you've held is possibly completely built on an illusion. Oh, and this isn't the Muslims fault. Though some extremists would like to see us fall, you can't claim they're the masterminds of this disaster. It's been a bad 100 years, and for most of that time, it wasn't the Middle East attacking the West. We started our own demise in 1913. (Federal Reserve Act, 16th Amendment, 17th Amendment, and more) Jeremy D. Young On 11/27/2012 12:59 PM, Tom Martz wrote: I have to agree with Jerry there isn't a clear choice to which political party and their representation is going to take which liberty away next. Romney had business experience but he also used government to fund some of his successful business ventures. Obama had community building experience to which government funds that as well. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com mailto:jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Very Sad times, but I really do not think people have understood the real problem, part of it is the very first paragraph, “I thought for sure that given such a clear choice”, we were not given a clear choice. When you have two parties that have become the same, there is not a choice. __ __ Jerry __ __ Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan __ __ *From:*missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: I don't know anything
Very Sad times, but I really do not think people have understood the real problem, part of it is the very first paragraph, I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, we were not given a clear choice. When you have two parties that have become the same, there is not a choice. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred B. Ellison Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:03 AM To: MLC Google Group; Missouri C4L Cc: ACMN; Campaign for Liberty-SGF; Springfield-MO-912; Freedom Fighters Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: I don't know anything Well, it's official; I don't know anything. I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, Americans would vote for love of country over revenge. I was wrong. I thought, that just as every presidential election in my lifetime, the bad economy would be hung around the incumbent's neck, sinking him. I was wrong. I thought that even those few Americans who were fortunate enough to still be fully employed (not counting those leeching off the public system) would be cognizant of how much pain their neighbors were in and elect someone who would at least try to make improvements. I was wrong. I thought that now that FINALLY some of the disturbing truths about our first black president had come to light, with his connections to crooked Chicago politicians, with his secret sealed college records, voters would reject a man so dangerously at odds with the American experience. I was wrong. I thought the 2010 elections and the Tea Party meant something. I thought the enthusiasm on display at Romney/Ryan events, contrasted with the lack of same at Obama/Biden events, meant something. I thought Americans would never sell their liberty for the sake of trinkets like cell phones or even big shiny lies like 'free health care'. I was wrong. Never in a million years would I have supposed that America would support a president who left his (our) people in Bengazi, Libya to die at the hands of our enemies overseas without lifting a hand to help, then lie about what he watched in real time for over two weeks, then lie about the lie for another month. I was wrong. I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw. I was wrong. We were offered the clearest choice we've has since 1980, where we had malaise and a misery index on one hand and a shining city on a hill on the other. Back then, we chose the city on the hill. This time the choice was between a (loser) man who says 7.9% unemployment and $4.00 gas is the new normal and a guy (a successful man) whose entire career has been about fixing broken entities. We chose to stay broken. And Broke. Maybe I'm wrong about the ramifications of this choice. Maybe windmills will actually turn out to be a viable energy source. Maybe America diminished will be loved overseas. Maybe a nuclear Iran won't be a threat. Maybe Israel is over reacting. Maybe western civilization was always over rated. Maybe life under sharia is not bad at all. Maybe when the rest of the world realizes that we have no intention of ever paying back that $16,000,000,000,000.00 (and counting) that we've borrowed from them, they won't devalue the dollar, causing hyper inflation here at home. Maybe China will just keep on giving us money and not demand our hearts, souls, national monuments and marriageable daughters as payment. I've watched my candidate lose elections before but I've never felt the way I did when this one was called for Obama. It wasn't bitterness or sadness or even disappointment. It took me a while to figure out what it was. Then it hit me; it was horror. Pure, unadulterated horror. Not because of Obama, but because of what it says about us, the American people, that we chose this. It shouldn't have even been close. Faced with the choice between taking charge of our destiny and tackling our financial problems, we opted to get high and have sex. We re-elected a guy who doesn't understand that a growing economy that creates more tax payers will bring in more revenue than higher taxes. A Commander in Chief who doesn't know our military still uses bayonets. A man who wants to control the economy without even knowing the difference between bankruptcy and liquidation. It was one thing to elect an unknown quantity, buying his line of 'Hope and Change'. It's something else to deliberately choose his failed policies over someone who has actually achieved success in life. I never dreamed America would do that. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, Hello Idiocracy! Goodbye, recovery. Goodbye, energy independence. Goodbye, religious liberty. Goodbye, liberty and justice for
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: I don't know anything
I have to agree with Jerry there isn't a clear choice to which political party and their representation is going to take which liberty away next. Romney had business experience but he also used government to fund some of his successful business ventures. Obama had community building experience to which government funds that as well. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Very Sad times, but I really do not think people have understood the real problem, part of it is the very first paragraph, “I thought for sure that given such a clear choice”, we were not given a clear choice. When you have two parties that have become the same, there is not a choice. ** ** Jerry ** ** Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Fred B. Ellison *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:03 AM *To:* MLC Google Group; Missouri C4L *Cc:* ACMN; Campaign for Liberty-SGF; Springfield-MO-912; Freedom Fighters *Subject:* [MoLiCo] Fwd: I don't know anything ** ** Well, it's official; I don't know anything. I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, Americans would vote for love of country over revenge. I was wrong. I thought, that just as every presidential election in my lifetime, the bad economy would be hung around the incumbent's neck, sinking him. I was wrong. I thought that even those few Americans who were fortunate enough to still be fully employed (not counting those leeching off the public system) would be cognizant of how much pain their neighbors were in and elect someone who would at least try to make improvements. I was wrong. I thought that now that FINALLY some of the disturbing truths about our first black president had come to light, with his connections to crooked** ** Chicago politicians, with his secret sealed college records, voters would reject a man so dangerously at odds with the American experience. I was wrong. I thought the 2010 elections and the Tea Party meant something. I thought the enthusiasm on display at Romney/Ryan events, contrasted with the lack of same at Obama/Biden events, meant something. I thought Americans would never sell their liberty for the sake of trinkets like cell phones or even big shiny lies like 'free health care'. I was wrong. Never in a million years would I have supposed that America would support a president who left his (our) people in Bengazi, Libya to die at the hands of our enemies overseas without lifting a hand to help, then lie about what he watched in real time for over two weeks, then lie about the lie for another month. I was wrong. I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw. I was wrong. We were offered the clearest choice we've has since 1980, where we had malaise and a misery index on one hand and a shining city on a hill on the other. Back then, we chose the city on the hill. This time the choice was between a (loser) man who says 7.9% unemployment and $4.00 gas is the new normal and a guy (a successful man) whose entire career has been about fixing broken entities. We chose to stay broken. And Broke. Maybe I'm wrong about the ramifications of this choice. Maybe windmills will actually turn out to be a viable energy source. Maybe America diminished will be loved overseas. Maybe a nuclear Iran won't be a threat. Maybe Israel is over reacting. Maybe western civilization was always over rated. Maybe life under sharia is not bad at all. Maybe when the rest of the world realizes that we have no intention of ever paying back that $16,000,000,000,000.00 (and counting) that we've borrowed from them, they won't devalue the dollar, causing hyper inflation here at home. Maybe China will just keep on giving us money and not demand our hearts, souls, national monuments and marriageable daughters as payment. I've watched my candidate lose elections before but I've never felt the way I did when this one was called for Obama. It wasn't bitterness or sadness or even disappointment. It took me a while to figure out what it was. Then it hit me; it was horror. Pure, unadulterated horror. Not because of Obama, but because of what it says about us, the American people, that we chose this. It shouldn't have even been close. Faced with the choice between taking charge of our destiny and tackling our financial problems, we opted to get high and have sex. We re-elected a guy who doesn't understand that a growing economy that creates more tax payers will bring in more revenue than higher taxes. A Commander in Chief who doesn't know our
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: I don't know anything
Subject: FW: Inner Peace after this election.. I'm passing this on because it worked for me today. A doctor on TV said that in order to have inner peace in our lives after this election, we should always finish things that we start. Since we all could use more calm in our lives, I looked around my house to find things I'd started hadn't finished. I finished a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiuminun scriptins, an a box a choclutz. Yu has no idr how fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all ur frenz who need inner piss. ...An telum u luvum. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:59 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: I don't know anything I have to agree with Jerry there isn't a clear choice to which political party and their representation is going to take which liberty away next. Romney had business experience but he also used government to fund some of his successful business ventures. Obama had community building experience to which government funds that as well. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Very Sad times, but I really do not think people have understood the real problem, part of it is the very first paragraph, I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, we were not given a clear choice. When you have two parties that have become the same, there is not a choice. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred B. Ellison Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:03 AM To: MLC Google Group; Missouri C4L Cc: ACMN; Campaign for Liberty-SGF; Springfield-MO-912; Freedom Fighters Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: I don't know anything Well, it's official; I don't know anything. I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, Americans would vote for love of country over revenge. I was wrong. I thought, that just as every presidential election in my lifetime, the bad economy would be hung around the incumbent's neck, sinking him. I was wrong. I thought that even those few Americans who were fortunate enough to still be fully employed (not counting those leeching off the public system) would be cognizant of how much pain their neighbors were in and elect someone who would at least try to make improvements. I was wrong. I thought that now that FINALLY some of the disturbing truths about our first black president had come to light, with his connections to crooked Chicago politicians, with his secret sealed college records, voters would reject a man so dangerously at odds with the American experience. I was wrong. I thought the 2010 elections and the Tea Party meant something. I thought the enthusiasm on display at Romney/Ryan events, contrasted with the lack of same at Obama/Biden events, meant something. I thought Americans would never sell their liberty for the sake of trinkets like cell phones or even big shiny lies like 'free health care'. I was wrong. Never in a million years would I have supposed that America would support a president who left his (our) people in Bengazi, Libya to die at the hands of our enemies overseas without lifting a hand to help, then lie about what he watched in real time for over two weeks, then lie about the lie for another month. I was wrong. I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw. I was wrong. We were offered the clearest choice we've has since 1980, where we had malaise and a misery index on one hand and a shining city on a hill on the other. Back then, we chose the city on the hill. This time the choice was between a (loser) man who says 7.9% unemployment and $4.00 gas is the new normal and a guy (a successful man) whose entire career has been about fixing broken entities. We chose to stay broken. And Broke. Maybe I'm wrong about the ramifications of this choice. Maybe windmills will actually turn out to be a viable energy source. Maybe America diminished will be loved overseas. Maybe a nuclear Iran won't be a threat. Maybe Israel is over reacting. Maybe western civilization was always over rated. Maybe life under sharia is not bad at all. Maybe when the rest of the world realizes
RE: [MoLiCo] ACTION ALERT
I sent a email to the committee. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:53 PM To: MLC Google Group; Young Conservations Subject: [MoLiCo] ACTION ALERT SPRINGFIELD PUBLIC Meeting - November 9th, Noon Urge THE City Council To Stop METH - Not MEdication Springfield Council Chambers - 11/9 at Noon City Hall - Fourth Floor | 840 Boonville Avenue| Springfield, MO 65802 Springfield is considering a local ordinance to require everyone to first obtain a doctor's prescription (Rx) before purchasing common cold and allergy medicines containing pseudoephedrine (PSE). This doesn't punish criminals but it does cause the vast majority of law-abiding citizens in Springfield to first see a doctor before buying the medications they need. Please attend the meeting and stand in opposition to this effort! An effective state law is already in place - one that blocks sales over the legal limit. Call or email them today at: http://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/index.html Members of the Community Involvement Committee who will first consider this measure: * Chair: Cindy Rushefsky, Zone 2 Councilwoman http://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/zone2.html * Jan Fisk, General Councilwoman A http://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/generalA.html * John Rush, General Councilman B http://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/generalB.html * Thomas Bieker, General Councilman D http://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/generalD.html If you do not know who to contact, call city hall and ask for assistance - the main number is 417-864-1651 If you call or if you attend - remember these tips! 1. Always be courteous and let them know you are from Springfield. 2. Ask to speak with him/her or someone from the office. 3. Ask them to oppose making law-abiding citizens obtain a physicians prescription for common cold medicines. 4. Ask for a response from their office if you must leave a message. 5. Always thank them for their time. FACTS: 1. Missouri has in place a real-time, stop-sale solution that harnesses electronic technology and stops illegal sales of products containing PSE. In fact, e-tracking is blocking thousands of illegal purchases in Missouri each month. 2. Mandating the prescription-only sale of common cold and allergy medicines will increase the costs on our families and workers, and overburden an already overstretched healthcare system. 3. An Rx only law will make it more difficult for law-abiding people to get the common cold and allergy medicines they need. 4. Taking away patient freedom by requiring prescriptions for important over-the-counter medications is not a solution. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] ACTION ALERT
THANK YOU hopefully MORE will do the same. On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: I sent a email to the committee. ** ** Jerry ** ** Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 4:53 PM *To:* MLC Google Group; Young Conservations *Subject:* [MoLiCo] ACTION ALERT ** ** *SPRINGFIELD PUBLIC Meeting – November 9th, Noon * *Urge THE City Council To Stop METH – Not MEdication* * * Springfield Council Chambers – 11/9 at Noon City Hall - Fourth Floor | 840 Boonville Avenue| Springfield, MO 65802 Springfield is considering a local ordinance to require everyone to first obtain a doctor’s prescription (Rx) before purchasing common cold and allergy medicines containing pseudoephedrine (PSE). This doesn’t punish criminals but it does cause the vast majority of law-abiding citizens in Springfield to first see a doctor before buying the medications they need. Please attend the meeting and stand in opposition to this effort! An effective state law is already in place – one that blocks sales over the legal limit. *Call or email them today at: * http://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/index.html Members of the Community Involvement Committee who will first consider this measure: - Chair: Cindy Rushefsky, Zone 2 Councilwomanhttp://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/zone2.html - Jan Fisk, General Councilwoman Ahttp://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/generalA.html - John Rush, General Councilman Bhttp://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/generalB.html - Thomas Bieker, General Councilman Dhttp://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/generalD.html If you do not know who to contact, call city hall and ask for assistance – the main number is 417-864-1651 If you call or if you attend – remember these tips! 1. Always be courteous and let them know you are from Springfield. 2. Ask to speak with him/her or someone from the office. 3. Ask them to oppose making law-abiding citizens obtain a physicians prescription for common cold medicines. 4. Ask for a response from their office if you must leave a message.*** * 5. Always thank them for their time. * * *FACTS:* 1. Missouri has in place a real-time, stop-sale solution that harnesses electronic technology and stops illegal sales of products containing PSE. In fact, e-tracking is blocking thousands of illegal purchases in Missouri each month. 2. Mandating the prescription-only sale of common cold and allergy medicines will increase the costs on our families and workers, and overburden an already overstretched healthcare system. 3. An “Rx only” law will make it more difficult for law-abiding people to get the common cold and allergy medicines they need. 4. Taking away patient freedom by requiring prescriptions for important over-the-counter medications is not a solution. ** ** -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Finally: A Stark Look at All 3 Presidential Candidates
Tom, you might take note that there are more then 3 Presidential Candidates, The Constitution Party has a Candidate, and he stands above all three of these, his name is Virgil Goode. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:06 PM To: MLC Google Group Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Finally: A Stark Look at All 3 Presidential Candidates We have more then two choices it is just the two they say we are given are quite similar in thier desires to increase government. Confidentiality Notice: This private email message, including any attachment(s) is limited to the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain Privileged and/or Confidential Information. Any and All Political, Private or Public Entities, Federal, State, or Local Corporate Government(s), Municipality(ies), International Organizations, Corporation(s), agent(s), investigator(s), or informant(s), et. al., and/or Third Party(ies) working in collusion by collecting and/or monitoring My email(s), and any other means of spying and collecting these Communications Without my Exclusive Permission are Barred from Any and All Unauthorized Review, Use, Disclosure or Distribution. With Explicit Reservation of All My Rights, Without Prejudice and Without Recourse to Me. Any omission does not constitute a waiver of any and/or ALL Intellectual Property Rights or Reserved Rights U.C.C.1-308. NOTICE TO AGENTS IS NOTICE TO PRINCIPALS. NOTICE TO PRINCIPALS IS NOTICE TO AGENTS. --- On Thu, 10/18/12, Libertarian Party i...@lp.org wrote: Libertarian Party http://lp.org/files/EmailHeader3.jpg https://staticapp.icpsc.com/icp/loadimage.php/mogile/1115108/22cab92c9a5570 239645652913dcfb29/image/jpeg Please share this table contrasting http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59225806msgid=275373act=DNJNc= 1115108destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lp.org%2Ffinally-a-stark-look-at-all-3- presidential-candidates%3Futm_source%3DiContact%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_c ampaign%3DLibertarian%20Party%26utm_content%3DStark all 3 presidential candidates with your friends and family. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59225806msgid=275373act=DNJNc= 1115108destination=http%3A%2F%2Flp.org%2Fcontribute _ Paid for by the Libertarian National Committee 2600 Virginia Ave, N.W. Suite 200, Washington D.C. 20037 Content not authorized by any candidate or candidate committee. The Libertarian Party | 2600 Virginia Ave NW | Washington, District of Columbia 20037 http://click.icptrack.com/icp/track.php?msgid=275373act=DNJNr=59225806c= 1115108 -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Finally: A Stark Look at All 3 Presidential Candidates
I'm well aware of Virgil Goode along with others, but none of the others have a voting record to be looked at. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Tom, you might take note that there are more then 3 Presidential Candidates, The Constitution Party has a Candidate, and he stands above all three of these, his name is Virgil Goode. ** ** Jerry ** ** Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:06 PM *To:* MLC Google Group *Subject:* [MoLiCo] Fwd: Finally: A Stark Look at All 3 Presidential Candidates ** ** We have more then two choices it is just the two they say we are given are quite similar in thier desires to increase government. ** ** ** ** *Confidentiality Notice**:* This private email message, including any attachment(s) is limited to the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain Privileged and/or Confidential Information. Any and All Political, Private or Public Entities, Federal, State, or Local Corporate Government(s), Municipality(ies), International Organizations, Corporation(s), agent(s), investigator(s), or informant(s), et. al., and/or Third Party(ies) working in collusion by collecting and/or monitoring My email(s), and any other means of spying and collecting these Communications Without my Exclusive Permission are Barred from Any and All Unauthorized Review, Use, Disclosure or Distribution. With Explicit Reservation of All My Rights, Without Prejudice and Without Recourse to Me. Any omission does not constitute a waiver of any and/or ALL Intellectual Property Rights or Reserved Rights U.C.C.1-308. NOTICE TO AGENTS IS NOTICE TO PRINCIPALS. NOTICE TO PRINCIPALS IS NOTICE TO AGENTS. --- On *Thu, 10/18/12, Libertarian Party i...@lp.org* wrote: [image: Libertarian Party] Please share this table contrasting all 3 presidential candidateshttp://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59225806msgid=275373act=DNJNc=1115108destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lp.org%2Ffinally-a-stark-look-at-all-3-presidential-candidates%3Futm_source%3DiContact%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3DLibertarian%20Party%26utm_content%3DStark with your friends and family. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59225806msgid=275373act=DNJNc=1115108destination=http%3A%2F%2Flp.org%2Fcontribute -- Paid for by the Libertarian National Committee 2600 Virginia Ave, N.W. Suite 200, Washington D.C. 20037 Content not authorized by any candidate or candidate committee. The Libertarian Party | 2600 Virginia Ave NW | Washington, District of Columbia 20037 ** ** -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Would You Back Down?
It gives you a clue to some of the information that people should be paying attention too, however most do not. If the vote is for more monies for education it is all ok, that has been part of the problem. We need to shut down the Department of Education, the GOP had that as one of their planks several years ago, but like all the rest, it really does not matter what is in their platform, they are probably not going to do any of it, just use it as a way to get people to vote for them. Thanks to people like are man Roy Blunt, who was at one time going to do something about the Department of Education, and that was not to give them more money, but guess what, he voted to give them more money. Until, and I have just about reached a point of thinking that it is not going to ever happen, people concern themselves as to what is going on down at the local school building, nothing is going to change, well except the vote will be to give them more money to throw away. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:33 AM To: missouri coalition Cc: ty...@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Would You Back Down? There are many groups in Springfield beside these two groups. Won't Back Down sounds extremely interesting to me. I taught here although my son went to Nixa where I have the strong feeling students are getting a better education. Is anyone with children interested in this? It sounds intriguing to me. I am retired. I knew when I worked that special interests ran the schools and was very unhappy with much of what went on to the point of having my normally low blood pressure become high one year when I saw the worst of it. I am not at all very well informed from reading this, but would think that if there are disgruntled parents in Springfield (duh?) that perhaps this could be a model for us. I hear from teacher friends still in the system that school is a zoo and it was a zoo 22 years ago when I became disabled from an accident traveling to three schools a day because I had already shown my discontent with discipline policies in a school where I worked. They hoped I would quit since I already had some health problems so sending me to three schools was a way to get me to quit. I didn't, a drunk driver hit me en route to one of the schools and within 4 years the damages caused a sharp decline in my already weak health condition, so the system disabled me with my asking. Another way to shut me up. (never end a sentence with a preposition-I didn't teach English but learned it well). What do you think? This system is pretty bad. The superintendent and board members are more interested in themselves than any of the students. I think this is obvious already. Watch some of these videos to see if there is interest. Linda Herd - Forwarded Message - From: Matt Kibbe - FreedomWorks mattbki...@freedomworks.org To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Would You Back Down? Dear Linda, WON'T BACK DOWN - The movie that America is taking about - is in theaters NOW. Sends a valuable message about US schools - and unions . . . give this flick an Oscar NOW. - NY Post (Oct. 8, 2012) http://secure.freedomworks.org/site/R?i=Jr3IFToQPz0841PM9oI8Vg http://secure.freedomworks.org/site/R?i=Jr3IFToQPz0841PM9oI8Vg Won't Back Down Movie Poster http://secure.freedomworks.org/site/R?i=Jr3IFToQPz0841PM9oI8Vg Every parent whose child is trapped in a failing school knows how it feels to want change now. And every teacher knows how it feels when bureaucratic systems fail to support them. Walden Media has produced http://secure.freedomworks.org/site/R?i=HMGqVu2k009gDbW1MkXTng Won't Back Down, a gripping, emotional and entertaining film- starring Viola Davis, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Rosie Perez, and Holly Hunter- about a parent and teacher who band together to fight for their children against a broken system. http://secure.freedomworks.org/site/R?i=pO1XYtCS8GwWLhFsWToi5w Won't Back Down has the power to spark a national discussion about how to ensure that America's public schools deliver education and equity for all students-regardless of race, economic background, or ZIP code. Enthusiastically received by an overflow audience at the Republican National Convention, as well as by the U.S. Conference of Mayors, http://secure.freedomworks.org/site/R?i=U89BiBRufSKNRhP95d042A Won't Back Down shows that dramatically improving our public schools is not a partisan issue: it's an American issue. What can you do? See Won't Back Down this weekend
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Obama Admits Desire for More Poverty
I tried this again and it says, whoops, it appears this link is broken. Has anyone else ever gotten that message? I never have, it is completely a new one for me. Linda From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Obama Admits Desire for More Poverty Political Outcast Newsletter Linda, I went right to the site, had no problem at all, you may have some problems with your computer or ISP, but anyway I had no problem with it. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:23 PM To: missouri coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Obama Admits Desire for More Poverty I have tried to go to this site and was told that it was a dangerous site and that someone is attacking my computer for nefarious purposes. Does anyone else find this to be true by trying to go to this site? Is this a large scale effort for the rest of you? I wonder if it is a part of the beginning of the cyber shutdown or if it is just something my particular hacker is doing to me. If anyone tries this site, please let me know if it is possible to get to it or is it impossible as it was for me? I went to my 1965 Class Reunion last night which included from 1960 to 1969. The students in my classes were tracked and were at the higher end of the group. I know that almost everyone with whom I attended classes at Parkview High School succeeded as lawyers, the Fredericks, doctors, the Calloways and teachers, people who worked for NASA, computer experts, very successful business men and many other such students. I saw many of them and did talk to them finding that they were rich people who worked hard learning and working. The thing that just knocked me over was that I talked to several such people who were so much pro Obama that one could not talk to them if there was any disagreement. I can deal with that, but am so very surprised to say the least. One man, a prominent businessman here in Springfield, also a graduate of Parkview High School in 1970 which is five years later than I graduated would not discuss Obama unless you had high and wonderful things to say about him. Nothing that has been discussed against him so far in the election is true and everything negative has simply been made up. One does not discuss this very long of course. You just stop and talk about the weather. I am trying to figure out from where this is coming. He is not a Muslim, was not from Kenya, has no statue, did not celebrate Ramadan in the Whitehouse, was born in the USA and bla, bla, bla. If this is true of highly educated and intelligent people I know personally, what else is out there? I truly fear what is next more today than yesterday. It was difficult to hear the name for the first time when I was a liberal. I just do not understand why a perfectly intelligent and educated human being would be O. K. with a name that is Muslim and a father that is Muslim and then all the lies that Obama has spread that is not difficult to disprove. I am depressed after this and think that perhaps most others of you might also feel like the wind was kocked right out of them. I am not bragging, but we were called the creme of the crop and the leaders of the world to come. If that is the way my group has turned out, I am truly scared and more so than ever before. No matter all that we have about which Obama has lied, it is not true to them. This is the proverbial hiding the head in the sand. Can we afford the creme doing this? I just do not believe that we can. I read one newsletter that stated that all the polls have been skewed by using mostly democratic people in the polls which I do not believe is a lie. That would, of course, work in his favor. We must hope so very much that this farce cannot be ended by his election. I do fear that and that is the only thing about this world in which I now live that has made me so terribly afraid. Try this link to see if you can get to it. It may be sinister and you may not want to even try. I am just shocked and will be in shock. I see his campaign on T.V. and find many empty speeches. He has failed to do what he promised and is that so hard to figure? Jobs? Economy? More time than he said he would need? Linda Herd - Forwarded Message - From: Political Outcast n...@politicaloutcast.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:21 AM Subject: Obama Admits Desire for More Poverty forward Message
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons?
to sharpen your apologetic skills – and more important, to tell your questioning friends about Jesus. *To schedule an apologetics workshop* ** *opportunity to provide a short synopsis* *or download free resources, go to www.* *oncedelivered.net. *n This article was written by Rob Phillips MBC Director of Communications *rphill...@mobaptist.org* Jerry ** ** Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CathyM *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2012 7:47 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? ** ** Thank you Tom. I am not saying anyone has a lock on religion. I am expressing the tolerance of a person’s right to worship. But I guess you are correct: I don’t need Jerry’s permission, but I don’t understand his hatred of my chosen religion when it does him no harm. I only want the right to not be condemned for being a Christian in my chosen Faith. ** ** Conversation is over. ** ** CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories * *Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%252BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [ mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.commissourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2012 4:43 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? ** ** Alright you two NO ONE has the LOCK on religion if they did we wouldn't have Baptist, Methodist, Catholics, Southern Baptist, Universalist Unitarians, NON-denominational, Lutheran and a host of other sects who believe they are the one true religion. As a believer in Jesus Christ and a worshiper of God this intolerance of one type of religion over another is STUPID. I have attended EVERY type of religious service on this planet earth and yes there are some religions that aren't religions Mormonism isn't one of them. ** ** tom On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote:*** * I will pray that you find the Truth Cathy, may God open your eyes. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CathyM *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:37 AM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? WOW! Jerry – you are really associating with hate mongers aren’t you? I guess there are some that will say anything to spread hatred and there are others who will blindly follow and believe and never think for themselves. Again – I feel sorry for you. You will have to do what you feel compelled to do. If this is spreading hatred and confusion, then so be it. Like I said, I have run the gauntlet and it has been with people just like you and what you choose to believe. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories * *Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%252BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php -- This is a Free Speech forum
Re: [MoLiCo] Ceremony, NBC News Special Report
--- On Fri, 9/14/12, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [MoLiCo] Ceremony, NBC News Special Report To: missouri coalition missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 5:47 PM To all of you, I rarely ever ever ever cry. Even when I am hurt, I do not cry and cannot cry even though it would be healing to do so. This cry does not seem healing. This ceremony concerning the Diplomats killed by the very people we have spent much money and men to help free from despotism is one of the saddest things I think I have ever seen. During the Star Spangle Bangle I sang along and tears started falling unexpectedly. Now, what do we think about this? Is what some think about parts of this group of people still the truth? They blame all of us for something one man did. And we go on with all Muslims are peaceful. Wouldn't you think that the very people we have helped would be just a little more grateful. I have to believe that ignorance is the problem. How long can ignorance carry a culture? How do we go on helping these people after the treason they have shown towards us? I am not inclined not to give any of these countries foreign aid. I realize that one does not return bad actions with bad actions and I believe this and practice it most of the time for I, od course am not perfect knowing that no one would accuse me of this. Jesus says to love thy enemies. Kind of hard to do today. It will take some long time for me and maybe that shows where I am in my spiritual growth. I will think about this and try to forgive for some time and hopefully something good will come out of this. I have needed a good cry but this is not over something I want to cry. This is unacceptable. Of course the entire nation has suffered greatly from this group, either side of it. How long might it take to forget these deeds? I would say never for many. Maybe we should change our ideas somewhat. We have to do our best and perhaps we haven't actually done that. This makes me even more sure that I am doing the right thing by not voting for this Muslim in chief of this nation. He pretends to care and some may disagree highly about that statement. I still believe he pretends to care. I am not pleased along with most of the rest of this nation I wonder how the Muslims who live here feel about this knowing that many here stand up for this culture. I hope this opens some eyes as to the truth of all this. The economy is getting so bad that people in great numbers are breaking into houses, especially vacant houses, stealing anything they can to sell like any scrap metal one might have to sell at some point that they keep near their dumpster. I even had an aquarium stolen this last week from my front porch and my chain link fence was locked. I have railing on the porch so that was a difficult theft for the aquarium had a lot of stuff in it and all of it was gone. It is getting worse and what has been foretold appears to be in some point of its stages of being. A prayer to God was given in the ceremony and it was good as any time like this. I am not into praying out loud with the the idea given in the Bible that we should pray in the closet or alone as it means. This seemed to be the time for public prayer I have to agree. I thank these men and feel very badly about what has happened to them and their families. They did not deserve this. Yet, they have a place in heaven this hour and I am grateful for that. I do believe this and will pray in my closet to have forgiveness. It appears that all the hate shown us from that culture is really noticeable. We have to pray to the Holy Spirit to decide what we will do. He is the one who Jesus Christ said to seek for our answers. Ye will do these things and even greater things was his promise. We just have to rise above, and I do not know how we are going to do that. Humility is greatly needed. Lastly, I was a teacher, but I think that what is happening in Chicago is wrong. I cannot stand behind this movement at this time. They are asking for more than our citizens can give at this time. I believe that teachers are important, but then as I have been told and to which I believe, teachers are servants and I was a servant and never talked about my salary or how I deserved more. There was too much to do to focus on that. I decided to teach and never expected to get rich on my teacher salary alone. I have worked outside of teaching to make money and feel good about that. There are a few of us who would or do think I am wrong, but right now I do not care. I am hurt that our nation has been treated as rudely as it is possible to be. This may offend a few, but this shows something not expected by those people I would hope. Linda Herd -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons?
I will pray that you find the Truth Cathy, may God open your eyes. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CathyM Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:37 AM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? WOW! Jerry – you are really associating with hate mongers aren’t you? I guess there are some that will say anything to spread hatred and there are others who will blindly follow and believe and never think for themselves. Again – I feel sorry for you. You will have to do what you feel compelled to do. If this is spreading hatred and confusion, then so be it. Like I said, I have run the gauntlet and it has been with people just like you and what you choose to believe. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%252BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons?
Alright you two NO ONE has the LOCK on religion if they did we wouldn't have Baptist, Methodist, Catholics, Southern Baptist, Universalist Unitarians, NON-denominational, Lutheran and a host of other sects who believe they are the one true religion. As a believer in Jesus Christ and a worshiper of God this intolerance of one type of religion over another is STUPID. I have attended EVERY type of religious service on this planet earth and yes there are some religions that aren't religions Mormonism isn't one of them. tom On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: I will pray that you find the Truth Cathy, may God open your eyes. ** ** Jerry ** ** Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CathyM *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:37 AM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? ** ** WOW! Jerry – you are really associating with hate mongers aren’t you? I guess there are some that will say anything to spread hatred and there are others who will blindly follow and believe and never think for themselves. ** ** Again – I feel sorry for you. You will have to do what you feel compelled to do. If this is spreading hatred and confusion, then so be it. Like I said, I have run the gauntlet and it has been with people just like you and what you choose to believe. ** ** CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories * *Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%252BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons?
Please do Jerry, although my eyes are already open and there have been countless before you with your same non-tolerance that have and I am still Mormon. But I still appreciate your prayers because each time you pray for me, it is another song in Heaven with my name on it. Jerry, I have been thinking: Why you are filled so with hate? Has a member of the LDS Church attacked you? Has a member of the LDS Church attacked someone in your family? Has a member of the LDS Church every threatened you? Has a member of the LDS Church told you something that made you fearful? Has a member of the LDS Church ever done anything to you in either words or physical threat or harm? I know the answer: No. That is not what we are taught. We are taught to love and act as Christ would (I am not the best at it, but I try) and attempt to accept everyone for who and what they are and be their Brothers and Sisters. Maybe a member of the LDS Church threatened you would go to hell if you did not join the Church? Although, I doubt that. Again, we will share the Gospel but if someone does not want to listen, we turn away although we will also always be there if needed. We share with the poor and do neighborhood projects. We help the needy. We feed the starving and provide shelter for those who have none. Does this sound like a church of hate and no choice that Lucifer would be in charge of? So why do you hate us? Is it because our membership is 14.4 million worldwide? Do you see the LDS Church as a threat to you somehow? You say it is because we are not Christian by your definition and in your sight due to you filling your heart and eyes with hatred. But I can't help wonder if there is something else. In the meantime thank you for your prayers, but I don't think I am the one in need of them. Please turn them in upon yourself and your own private reflection so your eyes may be open and your heart not so filled with hatred. I am not saying you need to investigate or look into the LDS Church more, or anything to do with the LDS Church. You just need to learn tolerance of others and their beliefs as long as they are not interfering with you and yours. Remember the Eleventh Article of Faith for the LDS Church? This is all that the members of the LDS Church practice and ask of others: We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. May you find peace in your heart to tolerate the belief of others and always seek knowledge and truth for yourself and not through others. You do not need to reply to this email, it is more for your own inner reflection and thought or you may discard it. The choice is yours because you have free-will. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%2 52BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to -support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Blevins Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 7:15 AM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? I will pray that you find the Truth Cathy, may God open your eyes. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CathyM Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:37 AM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? WOW! Jerry - you are really associating with hate mongers aren't you? I guess there are some that will say anything to spread hatred and there are others who will blindly follow and believe and never think for themselves. Again - I feel sorry for you. You will have to do what you feel compelled to do. If this is spreading hatred and confusion, then so be it. Like I said, I have run the gauntlet and it has been with people just like you and what you choose to believe. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons?
Thank you Tom. I am not saying anyone has a lock on religion. I am expressing the tolerance of a person's right to worship. But I guess you are correct: I don't need Jerry's permission, but I don't understand his hatred of my chosen religion when it does him no harm. I only want the right to not be condemned for being a Christian in my chosen Faith. Conversation is over. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%2 52BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to -support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 4:43 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? Alright you two NO ONE has the LOCK on religion if they did we wouldn't have Baptist, Methodist, Catholics, Southern Baptist, Universalist Unitarians, NON-denominational, Lutheran and a host of other sects who believe they are the one true religion. As a believer in Jesus Christ and a worshiper of God this intolerance of one type of religion over another is STUPID. I have attended EVERY type of religious service on this planet earth and yes there are some religions that aren't religions Mormonism isn't one of them. tom On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: I will pray that you find the Truth Cathy, may God open your eyes. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CathyM Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:37 AM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? WOW! Jerry - you are really associating with hate mongers aren't you? I guess there are some that will say anything to spread hatred and there are others who will blindly follow and believe and never think for themselves. Again - I feel sorry for you. You will have to do what you feel compelled to do. If this is spreading hatred and confusion, then so be it. Like I said, I have run the gauntlet and it has been with people just like you and what you choose to believe. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%2 52BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to -support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Veto Session Begins Today
Tom, thanks, I agree with you, hope our legislators will do the right thing. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:09 PM To: MLC Google Group; Young Conservations Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Veto Session Begins Today -- Forwarded message -- From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Veto Session Begins Today To: Ladies and gentlemen PROOF positive that this lady hasn't a clue as to what the constitution says and what they can do as a legislator. HB1329 is clearly a tax which can NOT by our constitution be passed and forced onto the people without a vote of the people. In terms of the other bill these protections are already codified in statuette, the Governor is CORRECT to have veto'd these. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Senator Luann Ridgeway luann.ridge...@senate.mo.gov wrote: Is this email not displaying correctly? http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=fa6386a617fc8b6eeec652eacid=6919e1838f e=9852617d1b View it in your browser. http://senate.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa6386a617fc8b6eeec652eaci d=c0899795c2e=9852617d1b Official Website of Senator Luann Ridgeway http://gallery.mailchimp.com/653153ae841fd11de66ad181a/images/transparent.g if Veto Session Begins Today, September 12, 2012 Members of the Missouri House and Senate have made their way back to Jefferson City for the annual veto session. Our state Constitution requires us to meet at this time to consider overriding any vetoes the Governor cast against legislation passed by the General Assembly. It looks like this veto session may take a little longer than veto sessions of the past several years. Of the 114 bills that passed through the Missouri General Assembly this year, 14 of them were vetoed by the governor, for one reason or another. Of these measures, 13 are up for consideration of a veto override -two of which have been talked about as most likely to be overridden by the Legislature, Senate Bill 749 and House Bill 1329. Senate Bill 749 would have provided protection for the religious beliefs as to the imposition of certain health care services such as abortion, contraception or sterilization. This measure gained a great deal of attention throughout the regular legislative session, on the heels of the federal government's plan to nationalize health care. There was really nothing new in SB 749. It was mainly meant to reaffirm existing law that keeps government out of the business of telling religious organizations they have to violate their own ethics in order to fulfill a so-called obligation. Our out-of-control federal government seems to be in the business of restricting and eliminating freedoms these days, and SB749 would have kept some of these actions from continuing. House Bill 1329 has started to gain renewed attention as we approach veto session. As passed by the Legislature, the law was designed to modify the law regarding the issuance of temporary permit tags and the collection of sales taxes on motor vehicles, trailers, boats and outboard motors. Earlier this year, the Missouri Supreme Court ruled if a car, boat or trailer was bought outside of the Show-Me-State, cities and counties could not collect the sales tax from that purchase. This ruling created a setback and economic disadvantage for Missouri based businesses. The court created tax loophole provides an incentive for Missourians to buy vehicles out-of-state. House Bill 1329 would have fixed this loophole. The governor's veto greatly affects more folks who live close to any of the eight states' boundary lines that surround Missouri. Some businesses in the Kansas City and St. Louis areas are looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue because of the court ruling and the veto of HB 1329 simply because the ruling says that you pay lower taxes by buying big purchases out of state. The argument in opposition to the override is that the law was written to provide seamless consistency in tax policy before and after the court decision. While this seems to make sense, the problem is that there are Missourians who purchased motor vehicles, trailers, boats and outboard motors out of state. They paid the taxes that were due at the time. I doubt many, if any, of these people made their purchase because they thought they could reduce their tax burden as many of the purchases were made before or at the time of the court ruling. Nonetheless, the Governor has already stated his intention to send big tax bills to these people if his
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons?
I can't read it either. But then being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I can answer the question as being a Mormon is being a Christian. Note it says in the title of the name Jesus Christ and we are the Church of Jesus Christ which means we are Christians as we follow the teachings of Christ. So voting for a Mormon is voting for a Christian. BUT The religion should have NOTHING to do with it! You vote for who you believe will be the best for our Country. If it is being destroyed by the present person, you need someone else in there. Vote according to whom you can support. Oh, well. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%2 52BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to -support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:32 PM To: missouri coalition Cc: Pam Pierce; gracek...@aol.com; Allen Black; Patrick Connolly; Anthony Perry; Teresa D Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? When I click on the link, I cannot read the message. Is this true for others? If so, it has started and you know what I mean. In my neighborhood there are many who steal off the front porch, in the back and we have many break ins. I stay home most of the time, but a nice aquarium was stolen off my front porch and I have a lock on the gate. They had to climb over a rail on the porch and it would have been difficult to get it over that because its quite a bit over my head. We are having people break in to vacant homes using meth and burning the houses. Then, the house across the street had two gun shots fired at it last Friday and the same man rammed a car 3 times, turned around in my driveway and even went into the house he shot at and pushed a girl against the wall. It is starting to get worse which I see as the beginning of anarchy, the first noticeable signs. The City Council is raising utility and sewer rates again which will be 6 years in a row. Gas is skyrocketing. If you have watched the documentary by Glenn Beck you know or believe that the dollar will drop to nothing and then the really bad anarchy will occur on a huge scale. I have been watching videos on the differing areas in which the Islamic extremists are doing what they do. There are Islamist extremists shooting ex-rays into hospitals as of today I believe. It's beginning to be more out in the open. Linda Herd - Forwarded Message - From: The Last Resistance n...@lastresistance.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? The Last Resistance September 11, 2012 Newsletter View in browser http://sm.responsebeacon.com/track?t=venid=ZWFzPTEmbWlkPTY5NjE0Jm1zZ2lkPTY 2OTA4JmRpZD0xOTIwMSZlZGlkPTE5MjAxJnNuPTE2Nzg1MTk4JmVpZD1saW5kYS5oZXJkQHNiY2d sb2JhbC5uZXQmZWVpZD1saW5kYS5oZXJkQHNiY2dsb2JhbC5uZXQmdWlkPTFfMzU5NTg0JnJpZD0 zNTk1ODQmZXJpZD0zNTk1ODQmZmw9Jm12aWQ9JnRnaWQ9JmV4dHJhPQ==2014eu=4001 Forward to a friend http://sm.responsebeacon.com/mid/69614?t=fenid=ZWFzPTEmbWlkPTY5NjE0Jm1zZ2l kPTY2OTA4JmRpZD0xOTIwMSZlZGlkPTE5MjAxJnJpZD0zNTk1ODQmZXJpZD0zNTk1ODQmc249MTY 3ODUxOTgmZWlkPWxpbmRhLmhlcmRAc2JjZ2xvYmFsLm5ldCZlZWlkPWxpbmRhLmhlcmRAc2JjZ2x vYmFsLm5ldCZ1aWQ9MV8zNTk1ODQmZmw9Jm12aWQ9JnRnaWQ9JmV4dHJhPQ==2015eu=4001 Mobile View http://sm.responsebeacon.com/track?t=menid=ZWFzPTEmbWlkPTY5NjE0Jm1zZ2lkPTY 2OTA4JmRpZD0xOTIwMSZlZGlkPTE5MjAxJnNuPTE2Nzg1MTk4JmVpZD1saW5kYS5oZXJkQHNiY2d sb2JhbC5uZXQmZWVpZD1saW5kYS5oZXJkQHNiY2dsb2JhbC5uZXQmdWlkPTFfMzU5NTg0JnJpZD0 zNTk1ODQmZXJpZD0zNTk1ODQmZmw9Jm12aWQ9JnRnaWQ9JmV4dHJhPQ==2016eu=4001 * Joe Biden: Stupid Is As Stupid Does http://sm.responsebeacon.com/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY5 NjE0Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02NjkwOCZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTE5MjAxJnNlcmlhbD0xNjc4NTE5OCZlbWFp bGlkPWxpbmRhLmhlcmRAc2JjZ2xvYmFsLm5ldCZ1c2VyaWQ9MV8zNTk1ODQmdGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmZs PSZleHRyYT1NdWx0aXZhcmlhdGVJZD0mJiY=2002http://lastresistance.com/10/j oe-biden-stupid-is-as-stupid-does/ * Obama's Hometown Teachers Ditch the Kids http://sm.responsebeacon.com/track?type=clickenid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTY5 NjE0Jm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02NjkwOCZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTE5MjAxJnNlcmlhbD0xNjc4NTE5OCZlbWFp bGlkPWxpbmRhLmhlcmRAc2JjZ2xvYmFsLm5ldCZ1c2VyaWQ9MV8zNTk1ODQmdGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmZs PSZleHRyYT1NdWx0aXZhcmlhdGVJZD0mJiY=2003http://lastresistance.com/20/o
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons?
Survey and Biblical Critique, he addresses these and other questions at greater length than are discussed here. Kevin is a former fifth-generation Mormon who was born and raised in northern Utah. He is available to speak and consult on the subject of pseudo-Christian religions and many other subjects. Guess what his opinion is going to be about the issue Yes I could read it and for what it is worth, coming from a person who is a former fifth-generation Mormon, you can bet he would quote whatever he needed to quote to make his point that it was ok for a Christian to vote for a Mormon. You guys opened this box so I will respond to it, NO, voting for a Mormon is NOT voting for a Christian, because it is not the same thing. This is a bigger issue in this election then most will face, it is not being talked about by almost no one, because they do not want to face the Truth. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CathyM Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:36 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? I can't read it either. But then being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I can answer the question as being a Mormon is being a Christian. Note it says in the title of the name Jesus Christ and we are the Church of Jesus Christ which means we are Christians as we follow the teachings of Christ. So voting for a Mormon is voting for a Christian. BUT The religion should have NOTHING to do with it! You vote for who you believe will be the best for our Country. If it is being destroyed by the present person, you need someone else in there. Vote according to whom you can support. Oh, well. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%2 52BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to -support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:32 PM To: missouri coalition Cc: Pam Pierce; gracek...@aol.com; Allen Black; Patrick Connolly; Anthony Perry; Teresa D Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? When I click on the link, I cannot read the message. Is this true for others? If so, it has started and you know what I mean. In my neighborhood there are many who steal off the front porch, in the back and we have many break ins. I stay home most of the time, but a nice aquarium was stolen off my front porch and I have a lock on the gate. They had to climb over a rail on the porch and it would have been difficult to get it over that because its quite a bit over my head. We are having people break in to vacant homes using meth and burning the houses. Then, the house across the street had two gun shots fired at it last Friday and the same man rammed a car 3 times, turned around in my driveway and even went into the house he shot at and pushed a girl against the wall. It is starting to get worse which I see as the beginning of anarchy, the first noticeable signs. The City Council is raising utility and sewer rates again which will be 6 years in a row. Gas is skyrocketing. If you have watched the documentary by Glenn Beck you know or believe that the dollar will drop to nothing and then the really bad anarchy will occur on a huge scale. I have been watching videos on the differing areas in which the Islamic extremists are doing what they do. There are Islamist extremists shooting ex-rays into hospitals as of today I believe. It's beginning to be more out in the open. Linda Herd - Forwarded Message - From: The Last Resistance n...@lastresistance.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Can Christians Ever Vote for Mormons? The Last Resistance September 11, 2012 Newsletter View in browser http://sm.responsebeacon.com/track?t=venid=ZWFzPTEmbWlkPTY5NjE0Jm1zZ2lkPTY 2OTA4JmRpZD0xOTIwMSZlZGlkPTE5MjAxJnNuPTE2Nzg1MTk4JmVpZD1saW5kYS5oZXJkQHNiY2d
RE: [MoLiCo] Two most unusual videos
Truth is really hard to find or define in the times we live in today, but I don't think you have much truth in this material, maybe it will open some to look beyond what they are being spoon fed today. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:05 PM To: missouri coalition Cc: gracek...@aol.com; Pam Pierce; Pam Pierce; Pamela Pierce; Patrick Connolly; Allen Black; Tom Gargus Subject: [MoLiCo] Two most unusual videos The Esoteric Agenda is one of the videos of which I will say little and Loose Change also of which I will say little except I have learned some things already and you probably have also found out some information concerning these two videos although probably none have learned all of this or heard it or read it. I hope some of you have learned some of this which leads into the rest. Linda Herd -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Two most unusual videos
I did not believe all of it, Jerry and have to agree with you. Thanks for your input since I always value your input. Linda Herd From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Jerry W Blevins jb...@mchsi.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Two most unusual videos Truth is really hard to find or define in the times we live in today, but I don’t think you have much truth in this material, maybe it will open some to look beyond what they are being spoon fed today. Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:05 PM To: missouri coalition Cc: gracek...@aol.com; Pam Pierce; Pam Pierce; Pamela Pierce; Patrick Connolly; Allen Black; Tom Gargus Subject: [MoLiCo] Two most unusual videos The Esoteric Agenda is one of the videos of which I will say little and Loose Change also of which I will say little except I have learned some things already and you probably have also found out some information concerning these two videos although probably none have learned all of this or heard it or read it. I hope some of you have learned some of this which leads into the rest. Linda Herd -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] amendment 2
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Jeremy D. Young wrote: The problem as I see it, stems from the idea that everyone in the State supposedly equally owns the education system. I believe strongly that every single parent in this State, (nation, world, universe) has full rights to teach their children based upon their own world view and belief system. Unfortunately, the inherent freedom of religion given to us by our Creator, or existing due to our humanity, is at odds with the idea of a Government determined curriculum. Agreed. I also agree with Tom's statement that Constitutional Amendments are *inherently dangerous*. Given that danger, unless they very clearly and succinctly accomplish a supremely important goal which cannot otherwise be accomplished, it is best to leave them alone. If we are not CERTAIN that this is a good amendment, it is NOT a good amendment. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] amendment 2
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Jerry Blevins wrote: http://gallery.mailchimp.com/f0ebe648fea91af22698b6bfc/images/paradestart.j pg [SNIP] The answer is found in the exact wording of the first Amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; With all the legal gyrations manifesting by all levels of government, our Congress is prohibited from encroaching on us, but our state and local governments are not. Except that our state government IS prohibited by the Missouri Constitution and (according to USSC interpretation) by the 14th Amendment. This is a solution looking for a problem. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] amendment 2
I did not realize it was replacing what I had read but thought it was another section or in addition to (which it is essentially because the old wording is there.) I don't like that it singles the sexes out to be real frank. In the majority of legislation that has been written since giving women the right to vote way back when, the term men as used in legislation has been a generic term implying both men and women. To single this out and say that women must be added to it will negate past legislation as it will have to be reviewed and rewritten as it will be implied (if this passes) that the term men no longer is a generic term applied to both sexes, but that if it says just men then the implications is that it means just of the male gender. To me this is one of the most dangerous thing about this because as they rewrite to make it more gender specific to mention both sexes that is when there will be more rewrites of the entire law leading us down who know what roads. Further, I don't like how specific it is. If something has to be spelled out from beginning to end like this for the constitution then it means that people don't understand what they had in the first place and need to be educated. Another problem - too many angles to it. Like I said before, too many things rolled into one that need to be split out. I don't like it as I see way too many problems within it. I believe the most serious one is my objection to having include the different sexes for the invalidation of the generic term man. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%2 52BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Comment at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0003-0001 Sign the AKC petition to stop the APHIS rules and regulations: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/join-with-the-akc-to-protect-responsible -small-breeders.html Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to -support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy D. Young Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:58 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] amendment 2 The problem as I see it, stems from the idea that everyone in the State supposedly equally owns the education system. I believe strongly that every single parent in this State, (nation, world, universe) has full rights to teach their children based upon their own world view and belief system. Unfortunately, the inherent freedom of religion given to us by our Creator, or existing due to our humanity, is at odds with the idea of a Government determined curriculum. If we give in to the idea that Government schooling is a bond that we cannot throw off, then this section does grant students rights that they do not have otherwise. I somewhat doubt this would be the first insertion of the public schools into the text of our Missouri Constitution, but if it was, I would be wholeheartedly opposed to it on those grounds alone. Incidentally, it also grants women rights that they did not explicitly have based upon the text of this section. This amendment also explicitly grants the members of the various levels of Government the explicit right to open their meetings in prayer. So far, I'm not certain whether there is any harm in this amendment to the Missouri Constitution. However, I do not think it will actually accomplish anything. I would have to read what people are intending for it to do before I could argue that their intentions are merely wishful thinking. Jeremy D. Young On 7/24/2012 6:03 PM, CathyM wrote: Well, Tom, you came from it in an entirely different angle than I do. I never read a piece of legislation with the interest of how it can benefit me. I don't read it with is it already in the laws and how does this wording compare in the first reading. What I do is read it with the intention of how can this as written create the most harm or do me the most harm? Here is the amendment as it is read: Shall the Missouri Constitution be amended to ensure: * That the right of Missouri citizens to express their religious beliefs shall not be infringed; * That school children have the right to pray and acknowledge God voluntarily in their schools; and * That all public schools shall display the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. This is what I see in this piece of legislation: No defining definition of religion
Re: [MoLiCo] amendment 2
Our rights regarding religion are already codified into the state constitution. ART 1 SEC 5 of the state constitution is quite clear. What needs to happen is enforcement of the existing wording and our elected to grow a backbone and comply with their constitutional duty. I cringe when people offer up as a solution changes to the state constitution as the ONLY means by which a solution is solved. If the old wording isn't enough to prohibit a school or any other government entity from becoming dictatorial in the religion realm what makes one think they will stop because we put new words into the section. Thanks for asking however, you have done more then most. I have been asked where I stand on this issue quite a few times and when I say I'm opposed to it I have been called everything but a child of GOD by the pew occupiers. Tom On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:29 AM, CathyM catr...@juno.com wrote: Tom Once again – I will bite. What don’t you like about the language of the amendment? ** ** CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories * *Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%252BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Comment at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0003-0001 Sign the AKC petition to stop the APHIS rules and regulations: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/join-with-the-akc-to-protect-responsible-small-breeders.html Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 11:00 PM *To:* undisclosed-recipients: *Subject:* [MoLiCo] amendment 2 ** ** The ballot language in this should concern everyone who plans on voting. ** ** -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] amendment 2
Well, Tom, you came from it in an entirely different angle than I do. I never read a piece of legislation with the interest of how it can benefit me. I don't read it with is it already in the laws and how does this wording compare in the first reading. What I do is read it with the intention of how can this as written create the most harm or do me the most harm? Here is the amendment as it is read: Shall the Missouri Constitution be amended to ensure: * That the right of Missouri citizens to express their religious beliefs shall not be infringed; * That school children have the right to pray and acknowledge God voluntarily in their schools; and * That all public schools shall display the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. This is what I see in this piece of legislation: No defining definition of religion. In other words, I feel that the people who wrote it and presented it feel that they are protecting Christianity BUT this is not how it reads. It reads all religion. So that if you want to practice devil worship or wicca religion and the child wants to perform a prayer in school they have a right to do so. Sorry, I don't want my child to be exposed to other gods but only the Christian God that I believe in. This actually makes it so that you cannot protect a child in school from the expression of ANY religion through prayer. Because of the line that Missouri citizens to express their religious beliefs shall not be infringed this means not only the Christian religion but ANY religion. Think about it: if someone believes that killing cows is part of their religious beliefs - they can do this. All they have to do is prove that what they are doing falls within the context of a religious belief. Besides it being redundant to what is already there as you pointed out. As you said, this is already codified in Article 1 Section 5 of the Missouri Constitution and By-Laws: Religious freedom--liberty of conscience and belief--limitations. Section 5. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; that no human authority can control or interfere with the rights of conscience; that no person shall, on account of his religious persuasion or belief, be rendered ineligible to any public office or trust or profit in this state, be disqualified from testifying or serving as a juror, or be molested in his person or estate; but this section shall not be construed to excuse acts of licentiousness, nor to justify practices inconsistent with the good order, peace or safety of the state, or with the rights of others. But is does leave out the right to prayer in the school system and this is the target; Prayer in the school system. Again, while on the surface this looks to be what is a good thing, remember the prayer can come from any direction and be directed towards anything of worship. No thank you. I will be voting against this because of that one part of it. I would love to see the Bill of Rights of the USA in every school, but just as important: What happened to the Missouri Bill of Rights and it being displayed? The part of right of worship is redundant to what we already have. To get this passed - it needs to be broken down into different parts as each part is addressing something different with different consequences coming out of it. Not one consequence. No thank you.I will be voting no to it because in the long run it can be abused and misused to expose our most precious commodity: Children. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%2 52BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Comment at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0003-0001 Sign the AKC petition to stop the APHIS rules and regulations: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/join-with-the-akc-to-protect-responsible -small-breeders.html Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to -support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:37 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] amendment 2 Our rights regarding religion are already codified into the state constitution. ART 1 SEC 5 of the state constitution is quite clear. What needs to happen is enforcement of the existing wording and our elected to grow a backbone and comply
Re: [MoLiCo] amendment 2
-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:37 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] amendment 2 ** ** Our rights regarding religion are already codified into the state constitution. ART 1 SEC 5 of the state constitution is quite clear. What needs to happen is enforcement of the existing wording and our elected to grow a backbone and comply with their constitutional duty. I cringe when people offer up as a solution changes to the state constitution as the ONLY means by which a solution is solved. If the old wording isn't enough to prohibit a school or any other government entity from becoming dictatorial in the religion realm what makes one think they will stop because we put new words into the section. Thanks for asking however, you have done more then most. I have been asked where I stand on this issue quite a few times and when I say I'm opposed to it I have been called everything but a child of GOD by the pew occupiers. Tom On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:29 AM, CathyM catr...@juno.com wrote: Tom Once again – I will bite. What don’t you like about the language of the amendment? CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories * *Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%252BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Comment at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0003-0001 Sign the AKC petition to stop the APHIS rules and regulations: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/join-with-the-akc-to-protect-responsible-small-breeders.html Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 11:00 PM *To:* undisclosed-recipients: *Subject:* [MoLiCo] amendment 2 The ballot language in this should concern everyone who plans on voting. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. ** ** -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility
Re: [MoLiCo] amendment 2
to expose our most precious commodity: Children. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories * *Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%252BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Comment at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0003-0001 Sign the AKC petition to stop the APHIS rules and regulations: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/join-with-the-akc-to-protect-responsible-small-breeders.html Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php *From:*missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:37 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] amendment 2 Our rights regarding religion are already codified into the state constitution. ART 1 SEC 5 of the state constitution is quite clear. What needs to happen is enforcement of the existing wording and our elected to grow a backbone and comply with their constitutional duty. I cringe when people offer up as a solution changes to the state constitution as the ONLY means by which a solution is solved. If the old wording isn't enough to prohibit a school or any other government entity from becoming dictatorial in the religion realm what makes one think they will stop because we put new words into the section. Thanks for asking however, you have done more then most. I have been asked where I stand on this issue quite a few times and when I say I'm opposed to it I have been called everything but a child of GOD by the pew occupiers. Tom On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:29 AM, CathyM catr...@juno.com mailto:catr...@juno.com wrote: Tom Once again – I will bite. What don’t you like about the language of the amendment? CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories * *Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%252BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Comment at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0003-0001 Sign the AKC petition to stop the APHIS rules and regulations: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/join-with-the-akc-to-protect-responsible-small-breeders.html Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to-support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php *From:*missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 11:00 PM *To:* undisclosed-recipients: *Subject:* [MoLiCo] amendment 2 The ballot language in this should concern everyone who plans on voting. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy
Re: [MoLiCo] Re: Special request from Quran Explorer team for Orlando Masjid expansion
I just received a letter from George Soros. It was about the open society. He wants to start deregulating the DEA with which which I cannot disagree. How did I get on that list of addresses? Linda Herd From: Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Quran Explorer supp...@quranexplorer.com Cc: Patrick Connolly magalia2...@yahoo.com; missouri coalition missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Patrick Connolly magalia2...@yahoo.com; gracek...@aol.com gracek...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] Re: Special request from Quran Explorer team for Orlando Masjid expansion What is it that makes this group sending me this email think that America needs to push the Muslim ideology onto it's people. We are the infidels and all deserve to die to make way for the Muslim world meaning the entire world. I feel insulted by these ideas. This is unacceptable. I changed my party when I hear the presidents name for the first time. Women in the Muslim world are owned and have no freedom at all. As a woman in America I have some choices and would certainly like to keep it that way. Please know that many Americans understand what is happening here. I would be one of the last people on earth that would want to further the Muslim agenda here in America. America has its flaws, but is much less flawed than any Muslim nation on this earth. I know there will be no answer to my question, but I will write it anyway? How did you get my email address and truthfully I think I know how it came to you. That is scary. Not interested in putting a penny into something such as this. We have inordinate growth in your mosques already. They are not cultural centers, but rather promote the Muslim agenda especially to our young people who are more easily led than older, more experienced citizens. Linda Herd From: Quran Explorer supp...@quranexplorer.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Special request from Quran Explorer team for Orlando Masjid expansion Untitled document Share Asalaam Alaikum Warahmatulahi Wabarakatahu , The http://www.quranexplorer.com/ team would like to request you to help us expand our Jama Masjid Orlando. As you know that Orlando is the home town of the Quran explorer team and this is the masjid we belong to. We are therefore actively involved in its expansion. Our community has grown many folds and there is an urgent need to adjust to the growing demands by expanding the current structure and also building a community center to protect our youth and nurture them in a safe environment. Currently we also have a school from pre-k to 8th grade and we are hoping to add a high school in the new plans. The cost of the project is around 5-7 million dollars. We have already started the fundraiser drive and alhamdulillah in our first fundraiser we were able to raise 1.2 million dollars which is a great start. We are seeking your help to complete this project. Please help us by donating a brick to build this structure and inshaAllah we hope and pray to Allah(swt) that one day you will visit Orlando and pray in the masjid you help to build...Ameen For this purpose we have created a web page: http://www.jamamasjidexpansion.com, you can go on line and give donation via pay pal or credit card. May Allah reward you for your time and effort and make this deed a source of entry to paradise. Just go to this link: http://www.jamamasjidexpansion.com, Review the project, and give just $10 (or any other amount) Thank you for your continued support, May Allah reward you abundantly in this world and the hereafter. Please continue to use QuranExplorer.com and refer family and friends, so that they may benefit from it. Regards, Quran Explorer TeamSupport@QuranExplorer.com201 West Hilda Street Suite 23Kissimmee, FL 34741 If you do not want to receive emails from QuranExplorer.com just click here to unsubscribe. 201 West Hilda Street Suite 23 Kissimmee, FL 35741 United States -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: BETRAYAL: MO GOP CANDIDATE FINANCED BY STIMULUS AND OBAMACARE?
Tom This is my question: Do we vote for Kinder, who almost got away with spending tax payers $$ on his excesses and tried to lie about it? OR Do we vote for Lager who is employed by Cerner? I know this about Cerner: My brother works for them as a computer programmer. He is very conservative BUT when it comes to Obamacare he actually supports the crap! Why? It means his job. Cerner has sunk so much into developing programs that would make Obamacare work that it is unbelievable. If Cerner goes under, he loses his job and much more. So he supports Obamacare. I can't get it across to him how wrong this is, but it is what it is. I don't like Kinder. I am not liking Lager. Do we have another choice? More importantly, can someone tell me exactly what is the job of Lt Governor in the state of Mo? Also, it wouldn't hurt to know how much they make.Why is there such a fight going on for this position? CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Stop APHIS from taking away the right of small breeders from selling to the public quality pets. View the proposed rules at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;dct=FR%252BPR%252BN%252BO%252BSR%2 52BPS;rpp=25;po=0;D=APHIS-2011-0003 Comment at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0003-0001 Sign the AKC petition to stop the APHIS rules and regulations: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/join-with-the-akc-to-protect-responsible -small-breeders.html Send a letter to your Senators and Congress to let them know what the USDA is doing; It is easy and painless!: http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongress.com/6980/urge-congress-take-action-to -support-cavalry-group-mission/?m=3179346 Send a letter to Agricultural Secretary Vilsack: http://www.thecavalrygroup.com/letter1.php From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:22 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: BETRAYAL: MO GOP CANDIDATE FINANCED BY STIMULUS AND OBAMACARE? -- Forwarded message -- From: Friends of Peter Kinder nore...@peterkinder.com Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:54 PM Subject: BETRAYAL: MO GOP CANDIDATE FINANCED BY STIMULUS AND OBAMACARE? To: t.ma...@gmail.com http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=19837027msgid=660391act=DESVc= 153742destination=http%3A%2F%2Fpeterkinder.com%2F http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=19837027msgid=660391act=DESVc= 153742destination=http%3A%2F%2Fpeterkinder.com%2F kinder-2012-email header http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=19837027msgid=660391act=DESVc= 153742destination=http%3A%2F%2Fpeterkinder.com%2F LAGER IS NOT BEING HONEST! In case you missed it, here is an eye-opening piece on breitbart.com http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=19837027msgid=660391act=DESVc= 153742destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com on Brad Lager being dishonest about his job. https://staticapp.icpsc.com/icp/loadimage.php/mogile/153742/fdccb6767cba523 5dd7e7bc18f3e472e/image/jpeg by DANA LOESCH 10 Jul 2012 https://staticapp.icpsc.com/icp/loadimage.php/mogile/153742/98c441b34432599 63159d557e2860eed/image/png While state lieutenant governor races don't usually make big news, Missouri's race is slightly different. The Republican primary between incumbent Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder and MO State Senator Brad Lager has intensified, with Lager dropping cash on a heavy media campaign that some have questioned for content accuracy. It's big money to spend for a state-wide race, but money comes easy when corporations who receive federal bailouts from the 2009 Stimulus and Obamacare help to fund your campaign. https://staticapp.icpsc.com/icp/loadimage.php/mogile/153742/3151f943b622528 e6790e8012fea4a00/image/jpeg Cerne is a huge corporation based in Kansas City. It specializes in digital health records, a booming business. While Cerner's industry is an industry with high potential, the fact that Cerner apparently benefited from what amounts to a federal bailout via the stimulus (the portion of the law which dealt with health care tech) while independent businesses struggle, has angered some. Via the KCStar: While other big Kansas City corporations struggle in a shifting economy -- YRC Worldwide Inc., Sprint Nextel Corp., HR Block Inc., Hallmark Cards Inc. see both their payrolls and their public profiles receding -- Cerner seems only to get bigger and bolder. [...] In 2011, revenues for Cerner rose by almost a fifth over the previous year to hit $2.2 billion. Its stock has split five times, and its market capitalization tops $14 billion. Neal Patterson, Cerner's CEO and five-time winner of Modern Healthcare's 100 Most Powerful People In Healthcare, was recently featured on the cover of Forbes under the headline Obamacare Billionaire. Over the past five years sales have grown an annualized 9% and earnings 22%. Last
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Demonstration-signs-inform everyone you can
I was blocked by the media, so there are no worries there. The media, both television and newpaper and COC here just do not want to hear what a group like this has to say and now they won't. We do not have to worry about not talking to them. I find this amusing. Linda From: Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net To: missouri coalition missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Cc: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com; blf...@gmail.com blf...@gmail.com; Carl carlmo...@aol.com; laverne copeland laverne.copel...@mnea.org; Carl carlmo...@aol.com; Doug Stafford doug.staff...@righttoworkcommittee.org; Chris Donegan doneganch...@sbcglobal.net; davidr...@fusemail.com davidr...@fusemail.com; dberg...@sbcglobal.net dberg...@sbcglobal.net; Greene County Republicans grco...@sbcglobal.net; Holand gailan...@hotmail.com; Jerry jerrywil...@centurytel.net; Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com; Jerry Long jpsl...@aol.com; Jeremy D Young jeremydyo...@sbcglobal.net; mrdavidbr...@aol.com mrdavidbr...@aol.com; ty...@googlegroups.com ty...@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Demonstration-signs-inform everyone you can We are not to talk to the media even though I sent this to them. We have selected one person to do that for us, so no one will want to talk to anyone from the media here and as I said, they will take the Council's side anyway. Linda - Forwarded Message - From: Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net To: missouri coalition missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Cc: T Online Services AT amp att-services.cn.1514488...@email.att-mail.com; Rev. Almicar Marquez Herrera almi...@att.net; Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com; blf...@gmail.com blf...@gmail.com; Jen Bruce jen92...@gmail.com; bryandinsm...@sbcglobal.net bryandinsm...@sbcglobal.net; Carl carlmo...@aol.com; laverne copeland laverne.copel...@mnea.org; Carl carlmo...@aol.com; Doug Stafford doug.staff...@righttoworkcommittee.org; Chris Donegan doneganch...@sbcglobal.net; davidr...@fusemail.com davidr...@fusemail.com; dberg...@sbcglobal.net dberg...@sbcglobal.net; Greene County Republicans grco...@sbcglobal.net; Holand gailan...@hotmail.com; Gerald Clary gcl...@aol.com; Virgil Hill virgil.h...@ecunet.org; Dave Iseman daveise...@news-leader.com; informat...@news-leader.com informat...@news-leader.com; Jerry jerrywil...@centurytel.net; Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com; Jerry Long jpsl...@aol.com; James Roberson rollielangs...@gmail.com; Jeremy D Young jeremydyo...@sbcglobal.net; kevenschwal...@kolr10.com kevenschwal...@kolr10.com; KY3 cpl...@schurz.com; Representative Billy Long mo07bl...@mail.house.gov; Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com; mrdavidbr...@aol.com mrdavidbr...@aol.com; Nicholas Ibarra mo7forc...@gmail.com; maj...@mail.com maj...@mail.com; Neil Ethridge jne1...@hotmail.com; Political b...@ky3.com; Patrick Connolly magalia2...@yahoo.com; sara ray sararayho...@gmail.com; rev.davidwhi...@btinternet.com rev.davidwhi...@btinternet.com; Claudette Riley cri...@springfi.gannett.com; steven reed stevenlloydr...@hotmail.com; steven reed stevenlloydr...@hotmail.com; ty...@googlegroups.com ty...@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Demonstration-signs-inform everyone you can Dear group, We are going to demonstrate in front of the Busch Building this evening and there are some T-shirts made for this purpose. We will be making signs at 5:00 p.m. demonstrating against new City Charter change that will be taking our rights away in order to get initiative petitions to put on the ballot for areas of concern. The change will up the number of signatures that need to be obtained from around 2000 to 7000 signatures per petition and only 1 year in order to obtain them. The number of petitioners will be 3 1/3 times as many as we have at this time. We need help for we do not want the City Council to have so much power that they stifle the desire to make changes via the governed here. They have quite too much power already. We know that the C.O.C will back this, yes, you T.V. stations, the good old boys and all involved with many areas of government here. We are always fighting impossible odds, yet not fighting is not an option the way I see this type of thing. The Newspaper will more than likely no back us, but will back the Council. All the groups who can get the word out will back this and we always end by climbing a mountain. We have actually done a couple of things here, but the Council is working to destroy the E-Verify by not changing what they knew could be changed and passing it on to the voters. Americans do want to keep their jobs and it passed, but the leaders are hoping law suits will destroy and may very well destroy our hard work. In passing, what destroys America is greed, and so often what occurs in City Council deals with the pocket book of the greedy like the Good Old Boy system which thrives in this City. I
Re: [MoLiCo] We should all thank these men for the work they have done
Jerry - Thank you for your kind comments. It is gratifying to be acknowledged by not only the State Auditor but by citizens like yourself who know how difficult it was to achieve the Audit. More times than I can remember, while collecting signatures, I was told it's a waste of time. Both Fred and Carl, as well as the many others who worked tirelessly on the petition experienced the same thing. Springfield R-XII still has only begrudgingly complied with the audit recommendations and findings. It is frustrating to see the school district administration thumb their nose at key portions of the Audit, in particular the bidding out of services. During my own investigation of R-XII, which prompted the petition process, I found R-XII was favoring certain vendors over others which leads a person to ask was money changing hands as a result?. I do know that one very large contract was signed with a stipulation and/or promise that the vendor would make a large donation to the school district. That was verified by the Audit. It may not be illegal but it is certainly unethical. While I am gratified that Tom Schweich chose to acknowledge Fred, Carl and me, I only wish we could list all of those who worked on the petition, especially a sweet little lady I chose to call Dynamite Dina. The work was worth it BUT only if the school district makes full compliance a priority. I will always be an optimist except when it comes to local government. Best regards. Tom Gargus Reno, Nevada --- On Thu, 7/12/12, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com Subject: [MoLiCo] We should all thank these men for the work they have done To: Missouri liberty coalition missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com, Jerry W Blevins jb...@mchsi.com Date: Thursday, July 12, 2012, 8:46 AM We should all thank these men for the work they have done. Thank you Carl, Fred and Tom, for all the work you have done and are doing. As reported in the News Leader:“We are pleased with the district’s efforts, but it is important to note that there were 51 recommendations in the audit and the 20 most serious were reviewed Monday night. The petitioners — led by Carl Herd, Fred Ellison and Tom Gargus — who called in the audit did the tax-paying public a favor and handed the district an important lesson.” Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.---Ronald Reagan -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] We should all thank these men for the work they have done
Jerry, Carl is not much into computers, but I would like to thank you for what you wrote here. Linda From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: Missouri liberty coalition missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Jerry W Blevins jb...@mchsi.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:46 AM Subject: [MoLiCo] We should all thank these men for the work they have done We should all thank these men for the work they have done. Thank you Carl, Fred and Tom, for all the work you have done and are doing. As reported in the News Leader: “We are pleased with the district’s efforts, but it is important to note that there were 51 recommendations in the audit and the 20 most serious were reviewed Monday night. The petitioners — led by Carl Herd, Fred Ellison and Tom Gargus — who called in the audit did the tax-paying public a favor and handed the district an important lesson.” Jerry Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience...without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure...If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under. ---Ronald Reagan -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: July 17 Meeting
Guess we will not be coming, but thanks for the notice. Linda From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Young Conservations ty...@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 5:52 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: July 17 Meeting -- Forwarded message -- From: The Locke and Smith Foundation members...@lockeandsmith.org Date: Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM Subject: July 17 Meeting To: members...@lockeandsmith.org Locke and Smith Foundation General Meeting Topic: Missouri Legislative 2012 Session Wrap-up Speaker: Reps. Eric Burlison and Melissa Leach Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 Time: 7:00 to 9:00 pm Location: Cox North, Fountain Plaza Room, 1423 N. Jefferson Ave. Entrance is at the Cox School of Nursing. Fountain Plaza Room is the first room to the right. Parking: Large parking lot at the corner of Jefferson and Division across the street from the entrance. Directions: Jefferson is a one-way street going south. From Chestnut Expressway, go north on Benton Ave. The back of the parking lot has an entrance on Benton. Locke and Smith Foundation 610-A E. Battlefield, Suite 110 Springfield, MO 65807 (573) 340-Vote LockeAndSmithFoundation.org -- ** Please Do Not Respond to this email as it is not Monitored ** -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: July 17 Meeting
Linda, If you would like to attend call me and I'll give you a ride there and back afterwards. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Guess we will not be coming, but thanks for the notice. Linda -- *From:* Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com *To:* MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Young Conservations ty...@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, July 8, 2012 5:52 PM *Subject:* [MoLiCo] Fwd: July 17 Meeting -- Forwarded message -- From: *The Locke and Smith Foundation* members...@lockeandsmith.org Date: Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM Subject: July 17 Meeting To: members...@lockeandsmith.org Locke and Smith Foundation General Meeting Topic: Missouri Legislative 2012 Session Wrap-up Speaker: Reps. Eric Burlison and Melissa Leach Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 Time: 7:00 to 9:00 pm Location: Cox North, Fountain Plaza Room, 1423 N. Jefferson Ave. Entrance is at the Cox School of Nursing. Fountain Plaza Room is the first room to the right. Parking: Large parking lot at the corner of Jefferson and Division across the street from the entrance. Directions: Jefferson is a one-way street going south. From Chestnut Expressway, go north on Benton Ave. The back of the parking lot has an entrance on Benton. Locke and Smith Foundation 610-A E. Battlefield, Suite 110 Springfield, MO 65807 (573) 340-Vote LockeAndSmithFoundation.org http://lockeandsmithfoundation.org/ -- ** Please Do Not Respond to this email as it is not Monitored ** -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Jeff Jacoby: Forget the research; our minds are made up / 6-20-2012
I'm not at all sure that I agree with this article. There is some question here, but is that because Mr. Jacoby is against gays? Sometimes, I find that some of these people try too hard to make their points. I try to keep an open mind and can see more than just one side to many things I read. I really do not know anyone who has been gay and raised children so I am not an expert. From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:43 AM Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Jeff Jacoby: Forget the research; our minds are made up / 6-20-2012 I wonder why this isn't done on the second hand smoke issue which is still using the numbers from the very first flawed study to make there point. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Jacoby mailing list l...@pundicity.com Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:31 AM Subject: Jeff Jacoby: Forget the research; our minds are made up / 6-20-2012 To: t.ma...@gmail.com Jeff Jacoby Forget the research; our minds are made up by Jeff Jacoby The Boston Globe June 20, 2012 http://www.jeffjacoby.com/11883/forget-the-research-our-minds-are-made-up Send RSS Share: Be the first of your friends to like this. DO KIDS raised by same-sex couples turn out as well as those raised by parents of the opposite sex? In recent years, the accepted answer among social scientists has been that there is no difference: Families headed by a mother and father are no better at child-rearing than those headed by two mothers or two fathers. Not a single study, the American Psychological Association categorically declared in a 2005 brief, has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. But was that conclusion -- which has been cited many times -- warranted? Loren Marks, a scholar at Louisiana State University, recently went back and reviewed the 59 studies on which the APA had relied. None of them, he writes in the July issue of the academic journal Social Science Research, compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children. Most of the studies were built on small samples that were neither random nor representative. In the absence of high-quality data, the strong, generalized assertions … made by the APA brief were not empirically warranted. Assuming Marks is right about the weakness of the findings on which the APA's verdict was based, how many advocates of same-sex marriage or adoption by gay and lesbian parents will consider changing their view? How many would back away from their support for gay marriage in the light of anything social science might say? I'd estimate the number at, roughly, zero. Conversely, suppose Marks's paper had demonstrated that the APA's declaration was even more firmly supported than previously realized. How many principled opponents of gay marriage would change their minds? My estimate would stay at zero. In the same issue of Social Science Research, University of Texas sociologist Mark Regnerus publishes the results of a large national study, based on interviews with a random sample of 15,000 young adults (aged 18 to 39) about their families, upbringing, and life experiences. Regnerus's bottom line: Children raised by their biological mother and father in stable families tended to turn out better than those whose parents had been in same-sex relationships. Even after controlling for age, race, gender, as well as subjective factors, such as being bullied as a youth, the findings were stark. Children raised by one or more gay parents, Regnerus wrote in an essay on Slate, were more apt to report being unemployed, less healthy, more depressed. They were also more likely to have experienced infidelity, trouble with the law, and sexual victimization. Regnerus's methodology has been sharply disparaged. Even some scholars who oppose same-sex marriage have underscored its weaknesses. Regnerus himself acknowledges that outcomes might be very different for kids being raised by same-sex parents today, in an era that is more accepting and supportive of gay and lesbian couples. And he stresses that sexual orientation has nothing to do with the ability to be a good, effective parent. But even if his methodology were unassailable, would it change the larger debate over homosexuality and same-sex marriage? If you believe legalizing gay marriage is a matter of fundamental fairness, no scholarly study is likely to turn you around. And if you regard same-sex marriage as inherently immoral or absurd, a shelf of scientific journals touting its benefits won't convince you otherwise. We like to think of ourselves as rational creatures with a healthy respect for facts and logic and science. And yet when it comes to the most controversial questions of public policy --
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Thank our Vets this 4th of July
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RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: ProEnglish Denounces Blanket AMNESTY by Obama Administration
Thanks due to a do nothing Congress, we all have allowed this thing to get to this point. Most people are living with the disease of Relectumitis. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 5:06 PM To: Missouri Liberty Coalition Cc: Allen Black; Patrick Connolly; pamejo2...@aol.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: ProEnglish Denounces Blanket AMNESTY by Obama Administration Folks, This would most likely ensure his re-election and I am hoping that it does not occur. It does not look good from the many newsletters I receive for his re-election even with some negatives from the left. That is what would go against the re-election. Maybe people will awaken soon enough to help, but, of course, we can not count on it. - Forwarded Message From: ProEnglish actionale...@proenglish.org To: Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Fri, June 15, 2012 3:09:48 PM Subject: ProEnglish Denounces Blanket AMNESTY by Obama Administration ProEnglish Denounces Blanket Amnesty by Obama Administration ProEnglish condemned today's move by the Obama administration that essentially rewards an amnesty to nearly 800,000 illegal aliens http://capwiz.com/proenglish/utr/1/EKTIRVYRGW/CEDNRVYUEZ/8415504781 . The administration decided it will no longer deport the vast majority of illegal aliens under the age of 30, and without requiring them to learn English. Naturalized citizens have to demonstrate English language proficiency to become American citizens, ProEnglish Executive Director Robert Vandervoort noted. By contrast, today's decision by the Obama administration not only rewards law-breaking, it also makes no attempt to provide for assimilation. ProEnglish strongly opposes any kind of blanket amnesty because it grants nearly 800,000 illegal aliens legal status without requiring them to learn English, Vandervoort continued. Without an English-language provision, this will dramatically expand demands on government services in foreign languages. During a time of record high deficits and unemployment, the White House should not be seeking to increase the financial burdens on American citizens http://capwiz.com/proenglish/utr/1/EKTIRVYRGW/JPNTRVYUFA/8415504781 . This decision will force American taxpayers to subsidize costly government-mandated multilingual services for a largely non-English speaking population, Vandervoort concluded. If you no longer wish to receive e-mail from us, please click here http://capwiz.com/proenglish/lmx/u/?jobid=212013382queueid=8415504781 . -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Rocky Mountain Low (Paul Jacob thinks legislative expertise is overrated and respect for the voters almost not existent)
You know this sounds bad and I have to agree that it isn't BUT this has to do more with left-wing interests that are pushing politically correct agendas on them without the people even knowing what they are voting for or signing petitions for. Prop B in MO and Prop 2 in CA are two such initiatives. Both backed by the HSUS to push their animal right agendas and stop people from eating, using or owning animals. So while we can say that 60% is ridiculous (and it is), I can also view this from the other side, that special interest groups will have just as hard of time to pass anything. Stop special interests and our lives would be a whole lot easier. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion: ...every responsible breeder is a puppy miller, every family farmer is a factory farmer and every responsible hunter is a poacher. This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals! Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals. Kill The Killing Fields Bills of the HSUS From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Blevins Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:56 AM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Rocky Mountain Low (Paul Jacob thinks legislative expertise is overrated and respect for the voters almost not existent) Yes it does Tom, our own City Council and it's change of requirement for an Initiative Petition gives the individuals who want to control this town the ability to do just that. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:25 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Rocky Mountain Low (Paul Jacob thinks legislative expertise is overrated and respect for the voters almost not existent) Well THIS sounds familiar. -- Forwarded message -- From: Common Sense p...@libertyifund.org Date: Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:18 AM Subject: Rocky Mountain Low (Paul Jacob thinks legislative expertise is overrated and respect for the voters almost not existent) To: t.ma...@gmail.com http://r20.rs6.net/on.jsp?t=1110082174647.0.1109020606174.5231ts=S0764o=h ttp://ui.constantcontact.com/images/p1x1.gif http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiZOEwbNXtOXFyiUQPcZOlXSuUPmrnfWBkT_ SOw_jsvRhLxMaG2zzkknPwdB5msz5o3qyEoHFxEmonOnTN9OBReJzW1O4zd3-tTT8w4FJ4yYVw== May 25, 2012 Rocky Mountain Low In the closing days of this year's legislative session, Colorado Rep. Lois Court sponsored a bill that would have amended the state constitution http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiZxOvMb3SK169rAIVRGISVPzrDlpaxgrzVo _Gq4eJzgiD_3UoMN4Q6QnuFr8EyyM6JPBG6epFsSmNn0rwKLBvxOvhybXHBnCVNLr5Kb7xoFeeD2 S4wXeDQs9K03nvaBTWzb4F_D530fA8sHTPMsVM3rwTya-pjFumcHkcZkOVNX2_5KX8SL9IEd to require a 60 percent supermajority to pass any future constitutional amendments. This issue had previously been floated to -- and defeated by -- voters in 2008, as Referendum O. In 2009, 2010, 2011 and again this year, this attack on the citizen initiative had been introduced in the Legislature, but beaten back by a coalition of citizens and policy groups, including Common Cause and the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. Louis Court, Colorado http://thisiscommonsense.com/images/court-mountain.png This year, Denver Post reporter Lynn Bartels informed us http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiaD6YgwXqGkO5_Lii4cGeT67YFPasfRjGqN _2a6zdPibVOw0sav8PMKQvU1lQOEQjZuMdqFgpn4s0oJLwhUE7tCEdnL7Dmp8sIY2s_PwAlf2Sg0 E6iKDI_qcgtGsSBdmN4hFkWlokd7gdW2mYES0N8jR1nRODIOv1BTvgphlf4tR9B6xkxZGN_N3UPy DecaS0wQfC4XotsR4DxhRY4rDgnrW4no_qPeIOI= that Court's bill had been hijacked. Republican Rep. Jon Becker amended it in committee, requiring the bill's 60 percent supermajority to apply to any amendment to the state constitution -- an idea so repulsive that even Court voted against her own bill. But there, oddly, is where Bartels's explanation ends. You see, Court's legislation mandated a supermajority to pass a new constitutional amendment, but not for repealing past constitutional amendments -- at least, not past amendments proposed by citizens. Why? Look no further than TABOR. Passed by citizen initiative in 1992, the Taxpayer Bill of Rights amendment requires any increase in overall government spending, or any tax increase, to be approved by the politicians' boss: the people of Colorado. Therefore, Court and her fellow legislative Democrats seek a supermajority to block any future amendment like TABOR, while at the same time allowing TABOR to be more easily nixed with only a simple majority. They want two sets of books, two sets of standards, one for the people and another custom-made for them. This is Common sense. I'm Paul Jacob. Comment on this episode http://r20.rs6.net
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Rocky Mountain Low (Paul Jacob thinks legislative expertise is overrated and respect for the voters almost not existent)
Yes it does Tom, our own City Council and it's change of requirement for an Initiative Petition gives the individuals who want to control this town the ability to do just that. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:25 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Rocky Mountain Low (Paul Jacob thinks legislative expertise is overrated and respect for the voters almost not existent) Well THIS sounds familiar. -- Forwarded message -- From: Common Sense p...@libertyifund.org Date: Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:18 AM Subject: Rocky Mountain Low (Paul Jacob thinks legislative expertise is overrated and respect for the voters almost not existent) To: t.ma...@gmail.com http://r20.rs6.net/on.jsp?t=1110082174647.0.1109020606174.5231ts=S0764o=h ttp://ui.constantcontact.com/images/p1x1.gif http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiZOEwbNXtOXFyiUQPcZOlXSuUPmrnfWBkT_ SOw_jsvRhLxMaG2zzkknPwdB5msz5o3qyEoHFxEmonOnTN9OBReJzW1O4zd3-tTT8w4FJ4yYVw== May 25, 2012 Rocky Mountain Low In the closing days of this year's legislative session, Colorado Rep. Lois Court sponsored a bill that would have amended the state constitution http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiZxOvMb3SK169rAIVRGISVPzrDlpaxgrzVo _Gq4eJzgiD_3UoMN4Q6QnuFr8EyyM6JPBG6epFsSmNn0rwKLBvxOvhybXHBnCVNLr5Kb7xoFeeD2 S4wXeDQs9K03nvaBTWzb4F_D530fA8sHTPMsVM3rwTya-pjFumcHkcZkOVNX2_5KX8SL9IEd to require a 60 percent supermajority to pass any future constitutional amendments. This issue had previously been floated to -- and defeated by -- voters in 2008, as Referendum O. In 2009, 2010, 2011 and again this year, this attack on the citizen initiative had been introduced in the Legislature, but beaten back by a coalition of citizens and policy groups, including Common Cause and the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. Louis Court, Colorado http://thisiscommonsense.com/images/court-mountain.png This year, Denver Post reporter Lynn Bartels informed us http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiaD6YgwXqGkO5_Lii4cGeT67YFPasfRjGqN _2a6zdPibVOw0sav8PMKQvU1lQOEQjZuMdqFgpn4s0oJLwhUE7tCEdnL7Dmp8sIY2s_PwAlf2Sg0 E6iKDI_qcgtGsSBdmN4hFkWlokd7gdW2mYES0N8jR1nRODIOv1BTvgphlf4tR9B6xkxZGN_N3UPy DecaS0wQfC4XotsR4DxhRY4rDgnrW4no_qPeIOI= that Court's bill had been hijacked. Republican Rep. Jon Becker amended it in committee, requiring the bill's 60 percent supermajority to apply to any amendment to the state constitution -- an idea so repulsive that even Court voted against her own bill. But there, oddly, is where Bartels's explanation ends. You see, Court's legislation mandated a supermajority to pass a new constitutional amendment, but not for repealing past constitutional amendments -- at least, not past amendments proposed by citizens. Why? Look no further than TABOR. Passed by citizen initiative in 1992, the Taxpayer Bill of Rights amendment requires any increase in overall government spending, or any tax increase, to be approved by the politicians' boss: the people of Colorado. Therefore, Court and her fellow legislative Democrats seek a supermajority to block any future amendment like TABOR, while at the same time allowing TABOR to be more easily nixed with only a simple majority. They want two sets of books, two sets of standards, one for the people and another custom-made for them. This is Common sense. I'm Paul Jacob. Comment on this episode http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiZvMFyvYj7hkq_z7ydS2fPF7LOvUalxaLr9 XSGQgArptd195Lcf8BN0YFYr3bPso4vyGZHlE8tGy_vBNmHR5lAlKZvS-GAva67iclq1Od_EsRzF NixZVT5LGY8VSmnO5jA= | View/download the PDF http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiZAljcxGb8zajWdkmz9dvnEHrnFvzhmTBM6 Q7V-iewktSowWT6IH-uRHE92BN3zZRBloSoRLGq5jZMAFrnzVW0i2xYJiB3IZNh4_z5kY8oVJ4Fd C3qA7_u-QDdCjn9pf88= http://thisiscommonsense.com/images/GCF-vertical-logo.png Paul Jacob is President of the Liberty Initiative Fund http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAibgU0fxfDouK-l_3wSJtUxRreq05rTuNN48 5K6E-ItWg_z8s30K21nfAFxkI-EIobDh0qxZd8Pj4pEjbqQZ_gAE--fX62Zfq6Kx1fAXeDFDrA== as well as a board member of Great Communicators Foundation, which sponsors both Common Sense http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiZOEwbNXtOXFyiUQPcZOlXSuUPmrnfWBkT_ SOw_jsvRhLxMaG2zzkknPwdB5msz5o3qyEoHFxEmonOnTN9OBReJzW1O4zd3-tTT8w4FJ4yYVw== and Paul's weekly Townhall Column http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001flWQF8RFAiZ6FlGf0CGbnOcgBaD-hl_0qtcanp0ithp3 IloyVetCXO9RrK2zKD-sm8Br1Bv4Olcx3V5kJzwhiGSSexvwDuC4_jCZCDTc3HMNDW6NQMRY55G2 V9ttGWFEbhBt0_O1hug= . The opinions expressed in Common Sense and at Townhall are Paul Jacob's and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Liberty Initiative Fund or the Great Communicators Foundation. New at Common Sense: . Thought of the Day: Maxims and aphorisms... the best ideas of the past, in the present. . Today in Freedom: A bit of history to inspire and provoke thought. .
Re: [MoLiCo] ALERT
pretty much. On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: So they want to be able to continue to do nothing about what the people want and the people have no way of doing anything about it, that is if we keep electing the same people and hoping for something different. ** ** Jerry ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:50 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] ALERT ** ** yes it is and it will get uglier if people remain on the couch and do nothing. On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Glenn G archives_...@hotmail.com wrote:* *** Boo. Hiss. This is really, really ugly. -- Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 21:33:33 -0500 Subject: [MoLiCo] ALERT From: t.ma...@gmail.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com ** ** Springfield City Council getting ready to make it harder to control our city government ** ** http://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/agenda/2012/05-07-12/2012-134.pdf ** ** -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ ** ** -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. ** ** -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: City Council
Thanks Linda for writing the mail to O'Neal, sad to say but I doubt that it will do any good. I have seen over a number of years that we have a group of people in this city that want to control everything and their agenda is all that is important, and the only one that is going to be given any recognition too. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:29 PM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: City Council - Forwarded Message From: Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Jim O'Neal jon...@oandstrucking.com Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 12:27:27 PM Subject: City Council Dear Mayor, I am appalled. Asking for even more signatures so that the people for whom the government works can have any say at all in our own government is wrong and I am going to call this a SIN. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. I am so sorry to see how our government works for itself instead of us. Any time any type of government tries to have more control over its governed there has to be some reason why such needs to happen. How can this even be considered? Is it the goverernment of the people, by the people and for the people even a real thought or fact? This is wrong. This is wrong. This causes me not to not have trust in the elected representatives. We all know that money is the most powerful influence over getting elected. Then when all the local governmental groups get together in controlling elections such as has happened recently, we can see that the common man who supports the government is really powerless. In this City I see the media always behind anything the governance here wants its governed to accept. It is obvious from this very idea that our City government is trying to gain more control over our local government. I would not have the nerve to even voice such a concept, much less go public with it. This makes me sad. Please think about this and talk this over with the council. I know that you have worked hard for this city. You have been congenial and you seem to me to be concerned with your office. How can a city government do this to its people. I do understand why, but I do not understand the concept that causes a governmental agency taking more power and control which causes the governed to have even less influence over their own governence. Please fill me in on the reason for such thinking. Why does this council want more power? What reason does this group have for seeking out more power? Where has the public here in Springfield done such wrong deeds that it needs more contol over it, the public? I truly want you and only you to help me with this. Please send me with an email to tell me how this idea took place. I do not understand this at all. I have read several emails about this already. People are not happy and are very incensed. Of course it will come out in the media with positive acclamations of how much better this will work. I cannot see any positive effects from making it more difficult to get an initiative petition here in my City of 55 years. I am stunned and unable to express myself the way I would like to do. What one reason, just one, has caused this idea to come into fruition? We the people need to know why it is necessary to cause it to be more difficult for the people to help run their own government. We need to have some faith and knowledge of the cause of this. Thanking you in advance, Linda Herd -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] ALERT
Boo. Hiss. This is really, really ugly. Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 21:33:33 -0500 Subject: [MoLiCo] ALERT From: t.ma...@gmail.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Springfield City Council getting ready to make it harder to control our city government http://www.springfieldmo.gov/citycouncil/agenda/2012/05-07-12/2012-134.pdf -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] HELLO
Alice, I have tried to send this once and am trying to do so again. Is this email from you? There is word out there that there is a virus out there that is pretty bad. If this is from you, please call me at 865-5719. Linda Herd - Original Message From: alice rainbolt alice.rainb...@sbcglobal.net To: shumate.na...@gmail.com Sent: Sun, April 22, 2012 10:33:42 AM Subject: [MoLiCo] HELLO this is pretty awesome you should look into this http://www.wanews15.net/biz/?read=9768976 ~*Advertisement -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] HELLO
Alice, There is a new virus out there that has the effect of taking people off line. Is this your email? Could you call me at 865-5719 to verify that? If this is you I am so glad to hear from you. Linda Herd - Original Message From: alice rainbolt alice.rainb...@sbcglobal.net To: shumate.na...@gmail.com Sent: Sun, April 22, 2012 10:33:42 AM Subject: [MoLiCo] HELLO this is pretty awesome you should look into this http://www.wanews15.net/biz/?read=9768976 ~*Advertisement -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] HELLO
Alice e-mail has been hacked On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Alice, I have tried to send this once and am trying to do so again. Is this email from you? There is word out there that there is a virus out there that is pretty bad. If this is from you, please call me at 865-5719. Linda Herd - Original Message From: alice rainbolt alice.rainb...@sbcglobal.net To: shumate.na...@gmail.com Sent: Sun, April 22, 2012 10:33:42 AM Subject: [MoLiCo] HELLO this is pretty awesome you should look into this http://www.wanews15.net/biz/?read=9768976 ~*Advertisement -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Thank your U.S. Rep for decent immigration grade -- ask for more
except his voting record on the 2nd amendment isn't so great. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I found it interesting that Rick Santorum has the best grade on immigration. Linda - Forwarded Message *From:* Roy Beck - NumbersUSA.com immigrationi...@numbersusa.com *To:* linda.h...@sbcglobal.net *Sent:* Thu, February 9, 2012 2:29:50 PM *Subject:* Thank your U.S. Rep for decent immigration grade -- ask for more From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA Date: Thursday 9FEB2012 noon *Below is your U.S. Representative's immigration grade for 2011. Pretty good. Could be better.* *ACTION -- FAX: Send a free fax to thank your U.S. Rep. for making an effort to reduce the unfair competition of immigration with unemployed Americans. But also ask for more action this year. http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/0/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?ID=13740 * This grade based on 2011 actions doesn't reflect as much urgency as is needed about putting unemployed Americans in your district back to work by reducing the competition from immigrant labor (illegal and legal). Let's get this politician working harder in 2012. Rep Billy Long This Congress: B- Grade Cardhttp://hub.numbersusa.com/route/1/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?q=my/congress/10222/reportcard/THISCONGRESS About 40 of your Representative's colleagues were really working hard in 2011 to stop the unfair job competition caused by bad immigration policy. But not your Representative. Stress to your Rep that those 40 hard-working colleagues really need your help this year. Be a part of the solution and challenge the status quo immigration policy that gives out permanent work permits to another million immigrants each year while 20 million Americans can't find full-time work. Click on the grade card link above to see the full Report Card, and click on any letter grade to get to a listing of all actions that led to the grade. *Send the fax.http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/2/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?ID=13740 * *And if you really want to make an impact, PHONE and let the office know about this grade: 202-224-3121* *THANKS. --P.S. If for some reason the fax links above don't get you to a fax, just go to http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/3/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9and find all your action opportunities there. * This may be a good time for you to make sure that you've let us know all of the areas you are interested in. In order to further customize the type of alerts you receive click here http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/4/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?action=longlist As a NumbersUSA subscriber, you will receive occasional emails about immigration-related opportunities. If you want to increase or reduce the frequency of these emails, click here and choose from Total Activism, Moderate Activism, or Limited Activism at the bottom of your registration form: http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/5/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9 -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Thank your U.S. Rep for decent immigration grade -- ask for more
Nor is his animal welfare. He has high marks from HSUS as he has sponsored bills for them at the federal level. He is not a conservative but very liberal. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion: ...every responsible breeder is a puppy miller, every family farmer is a factory farmer and every responsible hunter is a poacher. This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals! Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals. Kill The Killing Fields Bills of the HSUS www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com http://www.google.com/url?sa=Dq=www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:25 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Thank your U.S. Rep for decent immigration grade -- ask for more except his voting record on the 2nd amendment isn't so great. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I found it interesting that Rick Santorum has the best grade on immigration. Linda - Forwarded Message From: Roy Beck - NumbersUSA.com immigrationi...@numbersusa.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thu, February 9, 2012 2:29:50 PM Subject: Thank your U.S. Rep for decent immigration grade -- ask for more Error! Filename not specified. From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA Date: Thursday 9FEB2012 noon Below is your U.S. Representative's immigration grade for 2011. Pretty good. Could be better. ACTION -- FAX: Send a free fax to thank your U.S. Rep. for making an effort to reduce the unfair competition of immigration with unemployed Americans. But also ask for more action this year. http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/0/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?ID=1374 0 This grade based on 2011 actions doesn't reflect as much urgency as is needed about putting unemployed Americans in your district back to work by reducing the competition from immigrant labor (illegal and legal). Let's get this politician working harder in 2012. Rep Billy Long This Congress: B- http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/1/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?q=my/c ongress/10222/reportcard/THISCONGRESS Grade Card About 40 of your Representative's colleagues were really working hard in 2011 to stop the unfair job competition caused by bad immigration policy. But not your Representative. Stress to your Rep that those 40 hard-working colleagues really need your help this year. Be a part of the solution and challenge the status quo immigration policy that gives out permanent work permits to another million immigrants each year while 20 million Americans can't find full-time work. Click on the grade card link above to see the full Report Card, and click on any letter grade to get to a listing of all actions that led to the grade. Send the fax. http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/2/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?ID=137 40 And if you really want to make an impact, PHONE and let the office know about this grade: 202-224-3121 THANKS. --P.S. If for some reason the fax links above don't get you to a fax, just go to http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/3/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9 and find all your action opportunities there. This may be a good time for you to make sure that you've let us know all of the areas you are interested in. In order to further customize the type of alerts you receive click here http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/4/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?action= longlist As a NumbersUSA subscriber, you will receive occasional emails about immigration-related opportunities. If you want to increase or reduce the frequency of these emails, click here and choose from Total Activism, Moderate Activism, or Limited Activism at the bottom of your registration form: http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/5/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9 -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Thank your U.S. Rep for decent immigration grade -- ask for more
Thanks for that information. I have listened to a few people who are voting for him. This year is just a bit difficult. Linda From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, February 9, 2012 8:24:59 PM Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Thank your U.S. Rep for decent immigration grade -- ask for more except his voting record on the 2nd amendment isn't so great. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I found it interesting that Rick Santorum has the best grade on immigration. Linda - Forwarded Message From: Roy Beck - NumbersUSA.com immigrationi...@numbersusa.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thu, February 9, 2012 2:29:50 PM Subject: Thank your U.S. Rep for decent immigration grade -- ask for more From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA Date: Thursday 9FEB2012 noon Below is your U.S. Representative's immigration grade for 2011. Pretty good. Could be better. ACTION -- FAX: Send a free fax to thank your U.S. Rep. for making an effort to reduce the unfair competition of immigration with unemployed Americans. But also ask for more action this year. http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/0/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?ID=13740 This grade based on 2011 actions doesn't reflect as much urgency as is needed about putting unemployed Americans in your district back to work by reducing the competition from immigrant labor (illegal and legal). Let's get this politician working harder in 2012. Rep Billy Long This Congress: B- Grade Card About 40 of your Representative's colleagues were really working hard in 2011 to stop the unfair job competition caused by bad immigration policy. But not your Representative. Stress to your Rep that those 40 hard-working colleagues really need your help this year. Be a part of the solution and challenge the status quo immigration policy that gives out permanent work permits to another million immigrants each year while 20 million Americans can't find full-time work. Click on the grade card link above to see the full Report Card, and click on any letter grade to get to a listing of all actions that led to the grade. Send the fax. And if you really want to make an impact, PHONE and let the office know about this grade: 202-224-3121 THANKS. --P.S. If for some reason the fax links above don't get you to a fax, just go to http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/3/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9 and find all your action opportunities there. This may be a good time for you to make sure that you've let us know all of the areas you are interested in. In order to further customize the type of alerts you receive click here http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/4/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9?action=longlist As a NumbersUSA subscriber, you will receive occasional emails about immigration-related opportunities. If you want to increase or reduce the frequency of these emails, click here and choose from Total Activism, Moderate Activism, or Limited Activism at the bottom of your registration form: http://hub.numbersusa.com/route/5/4f342c86b8880a6c9600/1017199/9 -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Fmr. CIA Director Hayden, John Bolton Warn of 2012 Iran Threat: 'Single Most Worrisome Topic'
What I find funny is the Israeli's don't see Iran as a threat ONLY WE do. http://news.antiwar.com/2011/12/30/mossad-chief-iranian-nuclear-weapon-wouldnt-be-existential-threat/ On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What is this? I am beginning to question everything on the internet. If I signed up for this would it be safe? Is this a real site or is it something like a trick? Does anyone else recognize this? Linda - Forwarded Message *From:* LIGNET news...@reply.newsmax.com *To:* linda.h...@sbcglobal.net linda.h...@sbcglobal.net *Sent:* Tue, January 3, 2012 6:34:24 PM *Subject:* Fmr. CIA Director Hayden, John Bolton Warn of 2012 Iran Threat: 'Single Most Worrisome Topic' [image: Lignet - The Morning Brief] *Erratic Iranian Behavior Points to a Dangerous Year* LIGNET, a global intelligence and forecasting site, says that Iran will be the wild card of 2012, and her actions in the coming months could foretell peace or war. LIGNET adviser Gen. Michael Hayden, former director of the CIA, offers his blunt assessment of Iran, calling it “the single most worrisome topic” the U.S. security community faces. The LIGNET analysis includes: • Gen. Hayden’s assessment of Iran’s recent announcement that it has enriched its first nuclear fuel rod • Amb. John Bolton’s assessment of the likelihood of an Israeli attack on Iran, and the timing of such an attack • Amb. Otto Reich’s surprising information about Iran’s growing influence in Latin America. Iran’s next major move will have serious implications for Gulf states like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain. Experts also warn about serious oil price fluctuations in the months ahead based on Iran’s actions and volatility in the region. This detailed LIGNET analysis is compiled by veteran former CIA and other U.S. intelligence services and is available to subscribers. Users may sign up for free summaries or a risk free trial subscription to access the full LIGNET analysis. *Please read this Urgent Analysis about Iran – Go Here Now*http://news.newsmax.com/?K64vXsduZIOJ73CDJNfbRjF2eYlftfR1Khttp://www.langleyintelligencegroup.com/ArticleAnalysis/Erratic-Iranian-Behavior-Points-to-a-Volatile-and-?s=alpromo_code=DD64-1 [image: Forward To A Friend]http://news.newsmax.com/default.aspx?SZCRXbSu7U4f9xCz4NkkDjuSzXlftfU1S This e-mail is never sent unsolicited. You have received this * LIGNET* e-mail because you subscribed to it or someone forwarded it to you. To opt out, see the links below. -- *TO ADVERTISE* -- For information on advertising, please contact *Advertising Sales*http://news.newsmax.com/?S64RYsda1UJp135D4WDNDjES6QrfxfUAShttp://w3.newsmax.com/emailform.cfm?recipient=Ad%20Copyvia e-mail. -- *TO SUBSCRIBE* -- If this e-mail has been forwarded to you and you would like to sign up, please *click here*http://news.newsmax.com/?K64RYsSuZIOpixCk4WDkG5EneRrfxfUAKhttp://www.lignet.com/register.aspx . *Remove*http://news.newsmax.com/?SK4RXsdu7vJJ9t8zOUfkDluneRrftfR1Shttp://w3.newsmax.com/emails/profile/unsubscribe/index.cfm?email_address=linda.h...@sbcglobal.netesp_job_id=1346184your e-mail address from our list or *modify*http://news.newsmax.com/?K6CvXsdamULf1DCkLWDkDju-zQletJU1Khttp://w3.newsmax.com/emails/profile/index.cfm?email_address=linda.h...@sbcglobal.netesp_job_id=1346184your profile. We respect your right to privacy. *View*http://news.newsmax.com/?SKCRYsSa1ROMix4k4NkkGlu2eYlftJUAShttp://www.lignet.com/privacyPolicy.aspxour policy. This e-mail was sent by: *LIGNET.com* PO Box 1277 Washington, DC 20013 Phone: 202-250-4287 1346184 DD64-1 -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be
Re: [MoLiCo] F.Y.I.
Good for you, Tom. I support you 100%. I will be giving you money. I cannot give much, but I am for you. Thanks for running, and I still hope that someone wants to go to the electoral college. Not me, of course. You all know me. I am what I am, but I support those of you who can represent us. Linda From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, December 5, 2011 9:14:14 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] F.Y.I. It is my intention to run for state representative for the newly drawn 131st district. There is no incumbent and no representative living in this area. If you would like to donate to my campaign you can make the check out to Friends of Tom Martz and mail them to 334 East Kearney St. #135 SPFD 65803. After reviewing the legislation for the past couple of years it is imperative that we put people into office who understand s the constitution contains limitations on our government. Thank You for you support in the past, present, and future. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: He wants your thumbprint
I couldn't agree with you more, Jerry, Linda From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, December 5, 2011 9:56:52 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: He wants your thumbprint We do not need additional requirements to buy a gun or to keep track of the people that do. By the way, if you are silly enough to support Newt (one of the people that got us into a lot of the problems we have today) our future is based upon doing the same things we have and hoping for something different. Jerry From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:58 PM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: He wants your thumbprint I continue writing to you for information. I am trying to keep up with the news and go online for where I find other ideas than what I hear on, for example, CBS News, which is what I consider to be a liberal more than a conservative coverage or forum. I feel we hear what certain people want us to hear. This article is not the first thing I have see about Newt and this thumb print idea. Does that offend anyone? I have one gun which was stolen and then found by the police and the police keep telling me that the gun is being used in a trial because it was used in a drive by shooting. For some reason I keep having this little voice in the back of my thoughts which says, You will never get your gun back. I cannot pull the trigger on it because of arthritis, but I would like to have it anyway. It has been gone for close to three years. I bought it for my son who has been beaten by a gang even though our Mayor says we have no gangs here in Springfield. He was jumped by over 9 men and fell on ice causing him to lose consciousness wherupon they proceeded to stomp the left side of his face, all nine of them. People saw them doing it, yet my son was in the hospital during the trials. His injuries will affect him for the rest of his life. I told the court about that fact, but two of the men were in jail for a short time. It didn't seem extremely important to anyone. He had a cracked skull, a severe loss of memory and the left side of his face was crushed. It is still holding for now with a lot of metal in it. Again, does this offend anyone concerning the thumb prints? I'm doubting that my thumbprint is on that gun at all anymore. I only tried to use it once and found out I couldn't. I am thinking of buying another for my son and one for me. I would have to get a small one like the one you have, Janice. I do not live in an upscale neighborhood and most likely need a gun as well as he does. Linda - Forwarded Message From: Dudley Brown dudley.br...@nationalgunrights.org To: Carl Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Mon, December 5, 2011 1:33:12 PM Subject: He wants your thumbprint Carl Linda , On Saturday, I alerted you that Newt Gingrich is a supporter of a national biometric thumbprint database for gun purchasers. Here is the direct quote from Newt: I think we prefer to go to instant check on an immediate basis and try to accelerate implementing instant checks so that you could literally check by thumbprint... Instant check is a much better system than the Brady process.-- June 27, 1997 This weekend, your National Association for Gun Rights, working in conjunction with our Iowa state-level affiliate, Iowa Gun Owners, began using phone calls designed to alert tens of thousands of gun rights activists across Iowa about Newt Gingrich's decades-long support of gun control . . . . . . and his refusal to return his National Association for Gun Rights Presidential Survey. Call Newt Gingrich right now at (678) 973-2306. Demand he quit stonewalling gun owners and return his National Association for Gun Rights Presidential Survey -- IMMEDIATELY! Please help keep the calls coming by chipping in $15 or $20. -- Dudley From: Dudley Brown [mailto:dudley.br...@nationalgunrights.org] Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: He wants your thumbprints Carl Linda , I know I don’t have to tell you, but politicians often say one thing but do the complete opposite -- especially if they think no one is looking. Newt Gingrich is the poster child for these sort of “flexible” principles. I’ve been around the block a few times (I’m about to start my 20th year as a gun rights lobbyist) and dealt with literally thousands of candidates and politicians, but no Republican politician has managed to support and vote for anti-gun legislation and still proclaim that he is “pro-gun” more effectively than Newt Gingrich. Don’t be fooled by his rise in the polls; Newt Gingrich has a long history of supporting gun control ... ... and he has blatantly refused to return his National Association for Gun Rights Presidential Survey
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Do two states know better than 50?
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RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: He wants your thumbprint
We do not need additional requirements to buy a gun or to keep track of the people that do. By the way, if you are silly enough to support Newt (one of the people that got us into a lot of the problems we have today) our future is based upon doing the same things we have and hoping for something different. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:58 PM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: He wants your thumbprint I continue writing to you for information. I am trying to keep up with the news and go online for where I find other ideas than what I hear on, for example, CBS News, which is what I consider to be a liberal more than a conservative coverage or forum. I feel we hear what certain people want us to hear. This article is not the first thing I have see about Newt and this thumb print idea. Does that offend anyone? I have one gun which was stolen and then found by the police and the police keep telling me that the gun is being used in a trial because it was used in a drive by shooting. For some reason I keep having this little voice in the back of my thoughts which says, You will never get your gun back. I cannot pull the trigger on it because of arthritis, but I would like to have it anyway. It has been gone for close to three years. I bought it for my son who has been beaten by a gang even though our Mayor says we have no gangs here in Springfield. He was jumped by over 9 men and fell on ice causing him to lose consciousness wherupon they proceeded to stomp the left side of his face, all nine of them. People saw them doing it, yet my son was in the hospital during the trials. His injuries will affect him for the rest of his life. I told the court about that fact, but two of the men were in jail for a short time. It didn't seem extremely important to anyone. He had a cracked skull, a severe loss of memory and the left side of his face was crushed. It is still holding for now with a lot of metal in it. Again, does this offend anyone concerning the thumb prints? I'm doubting that my thumbprint is on that gun at all anymore. I only tried to use it once and found out I couldn't. I am thinking of buying another for my son and one for me. I would have to get a small one like the one you have, Janice. I do not live in an upscale neighborhood and most likely need a gun as well as he does. Linda - Forwarded Message From: Dudley Brown dudley.br...@nationalgunrights.org To: Carl Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Mon, December 5, 2011 1:33:12 PM Subject: He wants your thumbprint Carl Linda , On Saturday, I alerted you that Newt Gingrich is a supporter of a national biometric thumbprint database for gun purchasers. Here is the direct quote from Newt: I think we prefer to go to instant check on an immediate basis and try to accelerate implementing instant checks so that you could literally check by thumbprint... Instant check is a much better system than the Brady process. -- June 27, 1997 This weekend, your National Association for Gun Rights, working in conjunction with our Iowa state-level affiliate, Iowa Gun Owners, began using phone calls designed to alert tens of thousands of gun rights activists across Iowa about Newt Gingrich's decades-long support of gun control . . . . . . and his refusal to return his National Association for Gun Rights Presidential Survey. http://www.nationalgunrights.org/images/NewtNewspaper2.jpg Call Newt Gingrich right now at (678) 973-2306. Demand he quit stonewalling gun owners and return his National Association for Gun Rights Presidential Survey -- IMMEDIATELY! http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/7252395:10539384193:m:1:207044 820:4CE6DC5602C893C3670030F4BCD0097E:r Please help keep the calls coming by chipping in $15 or $20. -- Dudley _ From: Dudley Brown [mailto:dudley.br...@nationalgunrights.org] Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: He wants your thumbprints http://nationalgunrights.org/images/NAGR_email.gif Carl Linda , I know I don't have to tell you, but politicians often say one thing but do the complete opposite -- especially if they think no one is looking. Newt Gingrich is the poster child for these sort of flexible principles. I've been around the block a few times (I'm about to start my 20th year as a gun rights lobbyist) and dealt with literally thousands of candidates and politicians, but no Republican politician has managed to support and vote for anti-gun legislation and still proclaim that he is pro-gun more effectively than Newt Gingrich. Don't be fooled by his rise in the polls; Newt Gingrich has a long history of supporting gun control ... http://www.nationalgunrights.org/images/NewtNewspaper.jpg ... and he has blatantly refused to return his National Association for Gun Rights Presidential Survey.
RE: [MoLiCo] Corporations8890
WOW and again WOW!! -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:19 PM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Corporations8890 I actually feel this way, but as with GM not paying any taxes at all I am sure that others do not agree. That is what I have read, that GM had enough exemptions that it did not pay any taxes, but please correct me if I am wrong. I would hope that people would agree with the fact that money can buy anything that people want. I keep saying that corporations own us.I have had trouble with Mediacom, Direct TV, ATT cell phones, land lines, Verizon, Alltel, Allied Waste and it seems every corporation that I have had to try to use a product or service. They have rules like when I called Mediacom and said, I want my name taken off the computer generated list that causes me to receive Mediacom advertisements twice a week. The operators say, I am sorry but we can't do that. I have asked, you can't or won't. They tried to tell me there was no way to do that. I told them this, you know better than that. I finally reached a person with the corporate number and the man did what I was asking. One win. I changed to Dish TV after Direct refused me service and after 8 days the Dish remote stopped working. They said that within 3 to 5 days they would send me another one because it was defective. I told them, I wanted it in tomorrow's mail. The operator said that would be impossible. I told her again, You can get it here in one day and I demand that happen. I received it the next day. And, I received another one today. Then I found that I had one that worked and the other one had the batteries in the wrong way. At least I have found that taking no for an answer does not have to be the only way to operate. That is also true of not accepting no from your own relatives who think that I should obey all demands or something. That goes both ways or better no way. Are you tired of talking to people who read from a script? My HP Office Jet All-in-One had a paper jam. I found there was no way I could get into the printer to remove the jam. I need it to copy papers for a law suit which is pretty important. I called HP and the person did not know about what I was talking. I told him that when a company produces a throw away product that should be what they call it when they sell it. I tried everyway possible to remove the paper. Where does sevice go when the men at the top give their employees a script to read and nothing more and then when you want someone higher in the line of authority you get someone who reads the same script. First, it is, I'm sorry. Next some will not give you the Corporate number and others will have you called by corporate on their time which may be never, and then some say there is an address you can use and if used I think that the letter would be filed in the trash if I have learned anything at all. But I go to corporate and did so today and told the lady much of what I say here and she finally said they might refund my money after finding the date on which it was bought. This tells me that corporations are in fact bullies who will quit bullying when called on or when one fights back. Today I politely asked the first woman to not say I'm sorry anymore because it sounds just like my relative when he says I will consider it which means no and my ex-husband would say, I'll think about it and that meant, no. I asked the lady for HP nicely that I would appreciate that she quit saying I'm sorry which means, too bad, and she replied that she would not say, I'm sorry. I thanked her. Does this sound almost amusing? It is, and then it is not. As I have said to them, at least you have a job and your job has not gone overseas and that is good. Yet, many times I get someone who can barely speak English and I cannot understand them. How about the recordings we get which could be changed to real people for us? Do you like talking to a recording pushing the correct button or saying out loud the correct answer they tell us to answer? Then often times the machine has to have me repeat the same answer until the voice pattern, I guess, is able to be properly used. How many jobs would that create when we consider how many businesses use those recordings? And I am also sorry to say, that infuriates me to stay on the line for, and get this which happened one time, I sat for 1 1/2 hours before I could talk to someone. Where did user friendly or customer friendly go? Where did real human beings go? They lost their house and health care and just about everything. Am I the only person who hates what corporations can do by simply lobbying Congress giving billions of dollars as bribes? Even NEA, the teacher group (I do not call it a union because teachers are not to strike even though nurses can) lobbiests are paying out cash through our
Re: [MoLiCo] Corporations8890
Jerry, Am I right in that you agree with me. I have not received any other emails for I think that I am a fly in some of their craws if you know what I mean. I wrote too much, maybe, I tend to do that. Linda - Original Message From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, December 1, 2011 10:13:01 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Corporations8890 WOW and again WOW!! -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:19 PM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Corporations8890 I actually feel this way, but as with GM not paying any taxes at all I am sure that others do not agree. That is what I have read, that GM had enough exemptions that it did not pay any taxes, but please correct me if I am wrong. I would hope that people would agree with the fact that money can buy anything that people want. I keep saying that corporations own us.I have had trouble with Mediacom, Direct TV, ATT cell phones, land lines, Verizon, Alltel, Allied Waste and it seems every corporation that I have had to try to use a product or service. They have rules like when I called Mediacom and said, I want my name taken off the computer generated list that causes me to receive Mediacom advertisements twice a week. The operators say, I am sorry but we can't do that. I have asked, you can't or won't. They tried to tell me there was no way to do that. I told them this, you know better than that. I finally reached a person with the corporate number and the man did what I was asking. One win. I changed to Dish TV after Direct refused me service and after 8 days the Dish remote stopped working. They said that within 3 to 5 days they would send me another one because it was defective. I told them, I wanted it in tomorrow's mail. The operator said that would be impossible. I told her again, You can get it here in one day and I demand that happen. I received it the next day. And, I received another one today. Then I found that I had one that worked and the other one had the batteries in the wrong way. At least I have found that taking no for an answer does not have to be the only way to operate. That is also true of not accepting no from your own relatives who think that I should obey all demands or something. That goes both ways or better no way. Are you tired of talking to people who read from a script? My HP Office Jet All-in-One had a paper jam. I found there was no way I could get into the printer to remove the jam. I need it to copy papers for a law suit which is pretty important. I called HP and the person did not know about what I was talking. I told him that when a company produces a throw away product that should be what they call it when they sell it. I tried everyway possible to remove the paper. Where does sevice go when the men at the top give their employees a script to read and nothing more and then when you want someone higher in the line of authority you get someone who reads the same script. First, it is, I'm sorry. Next some will not give you the Corporate number and others will have you called by corporate on their time which may be never, and then some say there is an address you can use and if used I think that the letter would be filed in the trash if I have learned anything at all. But I go to corporate and did so today and told the lady much of what I say here and she finally said they might refund my money after finding the date on which it was bought. This tells me that corporations are in fact bullies who will quit bullying when called on or when one fights back. Today I politely asked the first woman to not say I'm sorry anymore because it sounds just like my relative when he says I will consider it which means no and my ex-husband would say, I'll think about it and that meant, no. I asked the lady for HP nicely that I would appreciate that she quit saying I'm sorry which means, too bad, and she replied that she would not say, I'm sorry. I thanked her. Does this sound almost amusing? It is, and then it is not. As I have said to them, at least you have a job and your job has not gone overseas and that is good. Yet, many times I get someone who can barely speak English and I cannot understand them. How about the recordings we get which could be changed to real people for us? Do you like talking to a recording pushing the correct button or saying out loud the correct answer they tell us to answer? Then often times the machine has to have me repeat the same answer until the voice pattern, I guess, is able to be properly used. How many jobs would that create when we consider how many businesses use those recordings? And I am also sorry to say, that infuriates me to stay on the line for, and get this which happened one time
Re: [MoLiCo] The New GOP Plan
what I find quite odd is that NEITHER side will admit that they have used fraud to get what they want, but they sure as heck will call out each other for doing it. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.netwrote: This could cause some tension. - Forwarded Message *From:* The Daily Share moveon-h...@list.moveon.org *To:* Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net *Sent:* Wed, November 30, 2011 9:04:23 AM *Subject:* A Beautiful 3 Minutes, What Looks A Lot Like The Sun, And The New GOP Plan http://www.moveon.org/?id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=1 Hello! Here are the three hottest progressive videos and graphics that we found on the web today, November 30, 2011*.* [image: A must-see.]http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268407id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30790 Why #Occupy In A Beautiful 3-Minute Cliphttp://www.moveon.org/r?r=268407id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30791 [image: The annual pay of the 1% as compared to the rest of us. Check it out:]http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268408id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30792 What Looks A Lot Like The Sun Next To The Earth And The Moon?http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268408id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30793 [image: Will enough folks hear about this so we can stave off attacks in other states? Watch:]http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268409id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30794 The GOP's New Plan To Win, Ahem, STEAL The 2012 Electionhttp://www.moveon.org/r?r=268409id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30795 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=267851id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=2 [image: Powered by MoveOn Civic Action]http://www.moveon.org/r?r=267660id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=3 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=267835id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=4 -- *Subscription Management:* This is a message from MoveOn.org http://moveon.org/ Civic Action. To change your email address or update your contact info, please visit: http://moveon.org/subscrip/coa.html?id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lx To remove yourself (Linda Herd) from this list, please visit our subscription management page at: http://moveon.org/s?i=33371-17583732-0J4M2lx -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] The New GOP Plan
Linda, Some times you should really do some research before posting something. This is NOT only a PA thing but it is gaining momentum nationwide, it is called National Popular Vote and even here in MO it is being looked at quite seriously. I'm NOT comfortable manipulating the electoral college system and I sure as hell don't want it abolished. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.netwrote: This could cause some tension. - Forwarded Message *From:* The Daily Share moveon-h...@list.moveon.org *To:* Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net *Sent:* Wed, November 30, 2011 9:04:23 AM *Subject:* A Beautiful 3 Minutes, What Looks A Lot Like The Sun, And The New GOP Plan http://www.moveon.org/?id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=1 Hello! Here are the three hottest progressive videos and graphics that we found on the web today, November 30, 2011*.* [image: A must-see.]http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268407id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30790 Why #Occupy In A Beautiful 3-Minute Cliphttp://www.moveon.org/r?r=268407id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30791 [image: The annual pay of the 1% as compared to the rest of us. Check it out:]http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268408id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30792 What Looks A Lot Like The Sun Next To The Earth And The Moon?http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268408id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30793 [image: Will enough folks hear about this so we can stave off attacks in other states? Watch:]http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268409id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30794 The GOP's New Plan To Win, Ahem, STEAL The 2012 Electionhttp://www.moveon.org/r?r=268409id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=30795 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=267851id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=2 [image: Powered by MoveOn Civic Action]http://www.moveon.org/r?r=267660id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=3 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=267835id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lxt=4 -- *Subscription Management:* This is a message from MoveOn.org http://moveon.org/ Civic Action. To change your email address or update your contact info, please visit: http://moveon.org/subscrip/coa.html?id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lx To remove yourself (Linda Herd) from this list, please visit our subscription management page at: http://moveon.org/s?i=33371-17583732-0J4M2lx -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] The New GOP Plan
Man, I could not agree with that more. Thanks, Tom. From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, November 30, 2011 7:11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] The New GOP Plan what I find quite odd is that NEITHER side will admit that they have used fraud to get what they want, but they sure as heck will call out each other for doing it. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: This could cause some tension. - Forwarded Message From: The Daily Share moveon-h...@list.moveon.org To: Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wed, November 30, 2011 9:04:23 AM Subject: A Beautiful 3 Minutes, What Looks A Lot Like The Sun, And The New GOP Plan Hello! Here are the three hottest progressive videos and graphics that we found on the web today, November 30, 2011. Why #Occupy In A Beautiful 3-Minute Clip What Looks A Lot Like The Sun Next To The Earth And The Moon? The GOP's New Plan To Win, Ahem, STEAL The 2012 Election Subscription Management: This is a message from MoveOn.org Civic Action. To change your email address or update your contact info, please visit: http://moveon.org/subscrip/coa.html?id=33371-17583732-0J4M2lx To remove yourself (Linda Herd) from this list, please visit our subscription management page at: http://moveon.org/s?i=33371-17583732-0J4M2lx -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Your conservative uncle
Jerry, Again, Jerry, thank you for your kind email. Let's all keep Jim Hornaday and Thelma in our prayers. Call me if you do not know what has happened. 865-5719 From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, November 23, 2011 7:54:22 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Your conservative uncle Hang in there Linda, you covered a lot of things in your mail, just don’t look to “Moveon.org” for any truth, all of the information below from them is propaganda. Jerry From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:13 PM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Your conservative uncle Not all of you are going to like this, but I think at least two of you are. I have to listen to both sides and I have to agree with a part of this. Why couldn't the big corporations have some of the blame here, especially the ones who are allowed to go out of the country. I heard today that we actually help finance the Chinese military by buying things from there and our coporations over there in what ever country they are. Do they even pay any tariff or tax upon entrance of their products into our country? Would that be so bad? If so, how much do they pay in order for our companies to even come out somewhat equal which does not seem to be happening to me and then there are all the jobs. Would it hurt for them to hire an operator for customer service instead of listening and pushing buttons for some long time before we get to talk to anyone. This irritates me to death. That's where some of the jobs are. Tom Martz, I understand why you do not shop at Walmart. That is encouraging these companies and countries to undermine the jobs and wealth here in our country. Personally, I think as I have said, the big Corporations in this country do whatever they want through lobbying. They buy and sell us and I am tired of that. ATT (I hate), Verizon, Alltell, Mediacom, Direct TV and that is just telecommunications who make us sign a two year contract which I just broke because of the ridiculously poor service. I will not pay them another cent and when I told the representative on the phone she actually agreed with me and said she would try to write in her notes about how poor the service was so that hopefully they will not make me pay them, not that they can. Direct actually refused me a new receiver when it was obviously broken. I happen to know when service gets so bad that one can sue them and win. They think that we do not know that and are totally afraid of them. My credit is good enough to not pay them and this would be the first time ever. I have never been late on any bill while C.U. used to continually charge me late fees and I had to argue with them constantly and of course could always prove it. Are they not some greedy ones? I know that paying taxes drives corporations out of the country, but then, where is the patriotism in that? Is that patriotic? Do they have to pay millions in bonuses to their higher ups like they pay our Superintendent of schools or City Utilities so that they can pay as much as they do in the private sector? I do not even think that teachers should make as much as they would like to get paid. I never complained, saved my money and put it in property, which is going down, but! We all would like to be paid more, wouldn't we? Where is the cut off line? To some greedy b's there would never be a cut off line and no one can argue that. If lobbying were stopped or lessened would that be so terrible? I do not think that it would be, but I am sure someone could argue that. Just how much does it cost after the telecommunication towers are built does a satellite signal cost? Is it as costly as the telephone poles and underground? I, personally, do not need to carry around a computer in my cell phone. Some people have said it is good that I am thrifty, like Carl, and then some would say I am to tight. How do people think that a person aquires money even with a college education? I have become a moderate conservative and tending more to the right lately which is sane I think. But, there are two sides and each may have some truth. But, I am not an athiest because the Holy Spirit speaks to me, I would just swear to that, ha! (I mean about the swearing, not that I laught at the Holy Spirit. I know that he is there. Linda - Forwarded Message From: Daniel Mintz, MoveOn.org Political Action moveon-h...@list.moveon.org To: Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wed, November 23, 2011 6:19:05 PM Subject: Your conservative uncle Dear MoveOn member, Americans are talking about the economy—a lot. They're talking about Occupy Wall Street and the Super Committee, about an economy that only works for the 1% and about unemployment. But thanks to Fox News
RE: [MoLiCo] FED food raid.
If people think we still live in a free country, they are just stupid. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:50 PM To: MLC Google Group; Young Conservations Subject: [MoLiCo] FED food raid. http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/food/nevada-heath-district-raids-picnic.h tml -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: New term for Obama administration
Good term, it could be used on Congress also, Demo and Rep., both fit the term. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:40 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: New term for Obama administration Ineptocracy (in-ept-o-cra-cy) A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. -- Greg Everything not specifically prohibited is mandatory. -Uncle Sam -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Re: Seriously? 40 Republicans Trying to Raise Taxes
I took action, Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 5:04 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] Re: Seriously? 40 Republicans Trying to Raise Taxes I guess it is time for the people at AFP to pull their heads out of their arses when it come to what the republicans are doingOF COURSE there are republicans who want TAX INCREASES just like the republican party has grown government at every opportunity. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Americans for Prosperity i...@afp-mail.com wrote: http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=piKTL3POKoJVIdKs=7dIJKPOgE7KGIOOtHpHm=ijK UI4MPJiJNJcK http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=mpJNKUODIgKNL8Ls=7dIJKPOgE7KGIOOtHpHm=ijK UI4MPJiJNJcK Header Dear Thomas, A group of 100 U.S. Representatives sent a letter to the so-called Super Committee urging the handpicked group of twelve legislators to consider all options for mandatory and discretionary spending and revenues in order to reach the committee's goal of $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next ten years. In Washington speak, this is code for raising taxes. Among this list is 40 Republicans http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=piKTL3PPKjJUIiKs=7dIJKPOgE7KGIOOtHpHm=ijK UI4MPJiJNJcK whose capitulation encouraging the committee to raise taxes is troubling. We shouldn't be surprised to see 60 Democrats seizing on the opportunity to drive a wedge between conservatives intent on restoring economic growth by keeping taxes low and Republican lawmakers who are starting to throw in the towel on keeping pressure on Democrats to cut spending. Your representative was one of the 40, and needs to hear from you TODAY! http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=kdJJKONvEfKCKULs=7dIJKPOgE7KGIOOtHpHm=ijK UI4MPJiJNJcK Click here to take action today and urge your representative not to raise taxes. Americans for ProsperityR (AFP) is a nationwide organization of citizen leaders committed to advancing every individual's right to economic freedom and opportunity. AFP believes reducing the size and scope of government is the best safeguard to ensuring individual productivity and prosperity for all Americans. AFP educates and engages citizens in support of restraining state and federal government growth, and returning government to its constitutional limits. AFP has more than 1,800,000 members, including members in all 50 states, and 34 state chapters and affiliates. More than 90,000 Americans in all 50 states have made a financial investment in AFP or AFP Foundation. For more information, visit http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=nqLPKXOHKiJJI4Ks=7dIJKPOgE7KGIOOtHpHm=ijK UI4MPJiJNJcK www.americansforprosperity.org Remove yourself from this mailing http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=tmL2KaMVKqL9JuJs=7dIJKPOgE7KGIOOtHpHm=ijK UI4MPJiJNJcK . http://omt.kintera.org/omt/5099198739.gif -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] FW: POLITICS AND RELIGION
2 Timothy 4:3-4 ..the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to here. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CathyM Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:05 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] FW: POLITICS AND RELIGION From a Friend who is not Mormon. ---Original Message--- Date: 10/17/2011 9:06:56 AM Subject: POLITICS AND RELIGION http://www.newswithviews.com/Emord/jonathan214.htm POLITICS AND RELIGION By Attorney Jonathan Emord Author of http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODStore_Code=N WVSProduct_Code=B88Category_Code=B-GP Store_Code=NWVSProduct_Code=B88Category_Code=B-GPThe Rise of Tyranny and http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODStore_Code=N WVSProduct_Code=B98Category_Code=BHS Store_Code=NWVSProduct_Code=B98Category_Code=BHSGlobal Censorship of Health Information October 17, 2011 NewsWithViews.com The charge by Robert Jeffress, the Senior Pastor of the First Baptist Church in Dallas, that Mitt Romney is not a Christian; that Mormonism is not Christianity; and that Mormonism is considered a cult is indicative of a degree of intolerance antithetical to the free exercise clause of the First Amendment and, moreover, an opinion born of ignorance. Mormonism is indeed a Christian faith: Are not all who proclaim Jesus Christ to be their Savior and who adhere to his teachings appropriately called Christian? The term Mormon is ascribed to those who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Church of Jesus Christ considers: (1) Jesus Christ the head of the church and teaches its members that Jesus is the messiah, the only begotten son of God; (2) that Christ is the prophesied messiah of the Old Testament (Jehovah) and created the earth at the direction of Heavenly Father; (3) that Christ was the only perfect, truly sinless human to live upon the earth; (4) that Christ made an ultimate sacrifice for mankind, atoning for the sins of the world through his suffering at Gethsemane and his crucifixion on Calvary Hill, making it possible for man, a sinner, to return to God free of spot through the intercession of Christ; (5) that Christ suffered, died, and was resurrected from the dead; (6) that he reigns in Heaven at the right hand of Heavenly Father; (7) that Christ will return to earth in a second coming at which time there will be a final battle between Satan and his minions and Christ and the saints, the dead will be resurrected, Christ will have a millennial reign, all will be judged, and there will be a final establishment of Heavenly order; (8) that the teachings of Christ are paramount; and (9) that true prophecy can be discerned to be such only if it is in complete conformity with the teachings of Christ. There is in this faith nothing but Christianity, all consecrated to and in fulfillment of the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is for this reason that the Mormon church is officially named the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. While other Christian faiths have doctrinal differences with the Church of Jesus Christ, it is beyond peradventure of doubt that the members of that church are Christians and that Mormonism is Christianity. The members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints include in addition to the Old and New Testaments, the Book of Mormon, which is by title and content another testament of Christ, complementary to and not in derogation of the Old and New Testaments. To declare people who hold Christ and his doctrines the essence of their religion to be non-Christian renders the term Christian nonsensical or, perhaps, schizophrenic (meaning that only some who believe in Christ may be designated Christians rather than all who do). The Church of Jesus Christ also believes fundamentally in free agency: in the right and power of each person to exercise freedom of choice, albeit recognizing that choices in violation of the commandments and teachings of Christ will be addressed on Judgment Day. That commitment to free agency as a part of God's plan ensures that Mormons are not members of a cult, if by cult one means mind control by religious leaders. There is in the Church of Jesus Christ no theocracy, no presumption of the church as having jurisdiction or power over the functioning of civil governmental authority. I think it prudent for intelligent people to reject the pronouncements made by Pastor Jeffress.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Fw: NEED OIL ? Garfield
The Sad Part is that the people that elected and put them there are not in D.C., and they are not doing anything about it! Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:22 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: Fw: NEED OIL ? Garfield GARFIELD ON THE OIL CRISIS YOU GOTTA LOVE GARFIELD 'S EXPLANATION -- TOO CUTE ALSO TOO TRUE!!! A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in our country. ~~~ Well, there's a very simple answer. ~~~ Nobody bothered to check the oil. ~~~ We just didn't know we were getting low. ~~~ The reason for that is purely geographical. ~~~ Our OIL is located in: ~~~ ALASKA ~~~ California ~~~ Coastal Florida ~~~ Coastal Louisiana ~~~ Coastal Alabama Coastal Mississippi Coastal Texas ~~~ North Dakota ~~~ Wyoming ~~~ Colorado ~~~ Kansas ~~~ Oklahoma ~~~ Pennsylvania ~~~ And ~~~ Texas ~~~ Our dipsticks are located in DC ~~~ Any Questions? NO? Didn't think So. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. image001.jpg
Re: [MoLiCo] the enemy within
On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 14:23 -0500, Jeremy D. Young wrote: Wow, the text of this bill http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdata/byinst.asp?sessionid=11RSbillid=HB195doctype=BT basically makes the assumption that every used good is stolen, and that everyone engaging in transactions involving used goods is a criminal to be tracked and reported to the police. Given that it also requires a record of sale to be kept for three years, it would lead to $8 in record handling costs (paper, ink, storage space, etc) to sell a used tool for fifty cents. When the CPSIA passed in 2008, many thrift stores threw away tons and tons of stuff because it was too expensive to sell it and took too long to get clarification from the CPSC (and even then the clarification wasn't spectacularly useful...). I suppose this is economic stimulus? Force people to buy new Chinese crap? Tom: No, the Republican Party--- or any party--- is not our salvation, but they are a vehicle for political change, as dusty and damaged as our entire political process is from start to finish. You have to start somewhere. The folks I work with in the Lawrence County Committee are good folks. In some cases, I think they are mistaken about many things, but they are generally there for the right reasons. Over time, I think and hope we learn from each other and I hope to encourage more liberty-minded people to step up and participate. I think the return to a caucus system in Missouri is a good thing and a slow crawl in the right direction. In the end, parties are largely the evil the Founders thought it was, just like government itself, but we also cannot avoid structure. Tear it down and it comes right back because political organization is a lot of work. Part of my goal in my work with the RP is to work toward stronger recognition of 3rd parties because without that competition from alternatives, we get exactly what we have now: neither the RP or DP doing what they claim they are there to do. In the end, the LP and CP (e.g.) are necessary to keep the RP healthy. We also need a lot more people looking at candidates as individuals, regardless of whom they *claim* to support. Just because someone has an R after there name on a ballot does not mean they support little-r republican ideals. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [MoLiCo] the enemy within
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wow, the text of this bill http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdata/byinst.asp?sessionid=11RSbillid=HB195doctype=BT basically makes the assumption that every used good is stolen, and that everyone engaging in transactions involving used goods is a criminal to be tracked and reported to the police. It also assumes that minors that want to sell their old Xbox are always thieves and can never participate in these transactions legally. I wonder if that's going to give E-bay headaches. The state government is requiring Drivers' license numbers to make a used good transaction. Not to mention the banning of cash as a transaction medium. The government makes so many laws that they can't all be followed, which makes criminals out of everyone, and then the government passes more laws to try to track down the criminals. Jeremy D. Young On 10/16/2011 12:12 PM, Tom Martz wrote: To those who believe the republican party is our political salvation http://www.healthydecisions.biz/Article.php?ID=104171; http://www.healthydecisions.biz/Article.php?ID=104171; -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6bLyoACgkQKi9fJ6/lTsAQVACdHBXH/NL1E53e5XKFqRzmwGT4 Rm0AoMv5krPXlCafWeUJ2EZgfpG4QMxH =aZZd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Political Leaders' Beliefs (was: Mormons)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The most important thing about a political leader is how he or she treats the concepts of power. If a person exhibits in their life a consistent seeking of increased personal power for the purpose of benefiting themselves or their friends, then they must be criticized and opposed. A person who has a belief system that is different than your own shouldn't inherently be disqualified from your support. Just because they say they agree with you on issues that are important to you shouldn't automatically be a reason to support them either. This is a nation of religious freedom, and should be a place of freedom in all things. If the person eschews personal power, displays moral and ethical character in their personal and public lives, and respects and even fights for the freedom of individuals, whether they are different than them or not, I think everyone would agree that type of person should be holding elected office. There may be room to discuss or debate the idea of whether the teachings of a particular religion or sect are indeed truthful, but I don't think it's necessary before supporting a political candidate. There are several people that I consider local political allies that I don't agree with on core matters of theology. Jeremy D. Young On 10/14/2011 07:24 PM, Tom Martz wrote: This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. Just about any topic that comes up is discussed, however the religious beliefs is one that can be quite interesting to sit back and watch. All religions and groups can fall into the cult definition with that said I have met and know more religious Mormons who practice what they preach then any other religion. An NO Romney isn't one who follows his religious doctrine On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:03 PM, CathyM catr...@juno.com mailto:catr...@juno.com wrote: So are you saying that the LDS Church is a cult or that all religions are cults? I am with Linda on this one...you don't vote for someone based on their religion. And if you knew you were going to open a can of worms then it might be better to keep your opinions to yourself. I really thought this group was about politics not religions. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com mailto:jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 5:31 pm I knew I would open up a can of worms on this one, if people will take the time to do the research and find the real truth, the answers are there, some however do not want to know the truth. __ __ Jerry __ __ *From:*missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CathyM *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2011 11:35 AM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons __ __ Excuse me. The truth is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) is not a cult any more than any other religion. They were all founded on the precepts of belief of a man who was disgruntled with what their present religion was teaching them. Look at any branch of Christianity and you will find this to be true. I will defend my right to worship as I choose and be a member of the LSD faith. It is not a cult. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com mailto:jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am __ __ Linda, just look for the truth. __ __ Jerry __ __ *From:*missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Linda Herd *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:19 PM *To:* missouri coalition *Subject:* [MoLiCo] Mormons __ __ Folks, I am ashamed of the man who stated on T.V. that Mormons are in a cult. That seems
Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons
I agree Jerry. On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: I knew I would open up a can of worms on this one, if people will take the time to do the research and find the real truth, the answers are there, some however do not want to know the truth. ** ** Jerry ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CathyM *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2011 11:35 AM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons ** ** Excuse me. The truth is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) is not a cult any more than any other religion. They were all founded on the precepts of belief of a man who was disgruntled with what their present religion was teaching them. Look at any branch of Christianity and you will find this to be true. I will defend my right to worship as I choose and be a member of the LSD faith. It is not a cult. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am ** ** Linda, just look for the truth. ** ** Jerry ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Linda Herd *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:19 PM *To:* missouri coalition *Subject:* [MoLiCo] Mormons ** ** Folks, I am ashamed of the man who stated on T.V. that Mormons are in a cult. That seems to me to be hitting below the belt. I know several and they are not any different than most of the rest of us Christians. I would be ashamed of myself to use such tactics. I am not voting for Mitt Romney, but I am not using the fact that he is Mormon. People can be and many are just plain old mean. I always ask myself a question that is not answerable and this is, why are people so mean to the point of being evil? That would take someone higher in spirit to explain I suppose. Linda -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons, powers being taken from us by the government
and he was so nice repeating that the reason this happened was because they had not raised them in the past few years so we are just catching up to this year. One side of a street had their taxes raised and in the same neighborhood they were not raised. Then there is the woman who told me that the more vocal we are, there is the chance that we could be erased like two people she knew and when the deaths were not reported to the people. One was supposedly shot in the back of the head (he was in a wheel chair) and it was reported as a suicide. Is this true? I have wondered about that since the MoLiCo reared it's head. This is something that I believe could really happen here since this government is so corrupt that the party controls us so strictly that there will be no changes in the way that they enact their new ordinances like the smoking ordinances. They are so conniving that they worded that ordinance in such a way that Carl and I both thought we voted against it and in actuality we voted for it. Is this against the law? Not in this City. If we were tricked then what about people who never pay attention at all to the workings of our government here. Yes, they can pretty much accomplish anything that they set out to do. I'm just a little negative if anyone might notice. The jobless rate is said to be 9.1% which is extremely understated because of all the people who do not get counted and for instance all the people on entitlements, disabled, on SSI or SS and many others so that the real rate which most likely causes the real jobless rate to be probably twice what they report. The Congress is akin to the Party in Russia and wants to remain that way when the S___ hits the fan so they are protecting their future while being paid of by the corporations and other lobbyists. The country is already losing many of our freedoms. Glen Beck has had several of his shows explaining that where we are is already a part of the takeover. As has been said, What next. When the internet is controlled by the government I would most certainly not be allowed to even write and send this letter. We have the problems already that have been discussed which if correct about the New World Order will continue to worsen very quickly. I'm griping about something that none of can control as with the City and it is wasted. Thanks again, Cathy, Linda Herd On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com wrote: This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. Just about any topic that comes up is discussed, however the religious beliefs is one that can be quite interesting to sit back and watch. All religions and groups can fall into the cult definition with that said I have met and know more religious Mormons who practice what they preach then any other religion. An NO Romney isn't one who follows his religious doctrine On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:03 PM, CathyM catr...@juno.com wrote: So are you saying that the LDS Church is a cult or that all religions are cults? I am with Linda on this one...you don't vote for someone based on their religion. And if you knew you were going to open a can of worms then it might be better to keep your opinions to yourself. I really thought this group was about politics not religions. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 5:31 pm I knew I would open up a can of worms on this one, if people will take the time to do the research and find the real truth, the answers are there, some however do not want to know the truth. ** ** Jerry ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CathyM *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2011 11:35 AM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons ** ** Excuse me. The truth is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) is not a cult any more than any other religion. They were all founded on the precepts of belief of a man who was disgruntled with what their present religion was teaching them. Look at any branch of Christianity and you will find this to be true. I will defend my right to worship as I choose and be a member of the LSD faith. It is not a cult. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am ** ** Linda, just look for the truth
RE: [MoLiCo] Mormons
Linda, just look for the truth. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: missouri coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Folks, I am ashamed of the man who stated on T.V. that Mormons are in a cult. That seems to me to be hitting below the belt. I know several and they are not any different than most of the rest of us Christians. I would be ashamed of myself to use such tactics. I am not voting for Mitt Romney, but I am not using the fact that he is Mormon. People can be and many are just plain old mean. I always ask myself a question that is not answerable and this is, why are people so mean to the point of being evil? That would take someone higher in spirit to explain I suppose. Linda -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons
Excuse me. The truth is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) is not a cult any more than any other religion. They were all founded on the precepts of belief of a man who was disgruntled with what their present religion was teaching them. Look at any branch of Christianity and you will find this to be true. I will defend my right to worship as I choose and be a member of the LSD faith. It is not a cult. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am Linda, just look for the truth. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: missouri coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Folks, I am ashamed of the man who stated on T.V. that Mormons are in a cult. That seems to me to be hitting below the belt. I know several and they are not any different than most of the rest of us Christians. I would be ashamed of myself to use such tactics. I am not voting for Mitt Romney, but I am not using the fact that he is Mormon. People can be and many are just plain old mean. I always ask myself a question that is not answerable and this is, why are people so mean to the point of being evil? That would take someone higher in spirit to explain I suppose. Linda-- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Mormons
I knew I would open up a can of worms on this one, if people will take the time to do the research and find the real truth, the answers are there, some however do not want to know the truth. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CathyM Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:35 AM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons Excuse me. The truth is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) is not a cult any more than any other religion. They were all founded on the precepts of belief of a man who was disgruntled with what their present religion was teaching them. Look at any branch of Christianity and you will find this to be true. I will defend my right to worship as I choose and be a member of the LSD faith. It is not a cult. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am Linda, just look for the truth. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: missouri coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Folks, I am ashamed of the man who stated on T.V. that Mormons are in a cult. That seems to me to be hitting below the belt. I know several and they are not any different than most of the rest of us Christians. I would be ashamed of myself to use such tactics. I am not voting for Mitt Romney, but I am not using the fact that he is Mormon. People can be and many are just plain old mean. I always ask myself a question that is not answerable and this is, why are people so mean to the point of being evil? That would take someone higher in spirit to explain I suppose. Linda -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons
So are you saying that the LDS Church is a cult or that all religions are cults? I am with Linda on this one...you don't vote for someone based on their religion. And if you knew you were going to open a can of worms then it might be better to keep your opinions to yourself. I really thought this group was about politics not religions. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 5:31 pm I knew I would open up a can of worms on this one, if people will take the time to do the research and find the real truth, the answers are there, some however do not want to know the truth. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CathyM Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:35 AM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons Excuse me. The truth is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) is not a cult any more than any other religion. They were all founded on the precepts of belief of a man who was disgruntled with what their present religion was teaching them. Look at any branch of Christianity and you will find this to be true. I will defend my right to worship as I choose and be a member of the LSD faith. It is not a cult. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories- Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am Linda, just look for the truth. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: missouri coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Folks, I am ashamed of the man who stated on T.V. that Mormons are in a cult. That seems to me to be hitting below the belt. I know several and they are not any different than most of the rest of us Christians. I would be ashamed of myself to use such tactics. I am not voting for Mitt Romney, but I am not using the fact that he is Mormon. People can be and many are just plain old mean. I always ask myself a question that is not answerable and this is, why are people so mean to the point of being evil? That would take someone higher in spirit to explain I suppose. Linda-- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.-- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.-- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons
This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. Just about any topic that comes up is discussed, however the religious beliefs is one that can be quite interesting to sit back and watch. All religions and groups can fall into the cult definition with that said I have met and know more religious Mormons who practice what they preach then any other religion. An NO Romney isn't one who follows his religious doctrine On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:03 PM, CathyM catr...@juno.com wrote: So are you saying that the LDS Church is a cult or that all religions are cults? I am with Linda on this one...you don't vote for someone based on their religion. And if you knew you were going to open a can of worms then it might be better to keep your opinions to yourself. I really thought this group was about politics not religions. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 5:31 pm I knew I would open up a can of worms on this one, if people will take the time to do the research and find the real truth, the answers are there, some however do not want to know the truth. ** ** Jerry ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CathyM *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2011 11:35 AM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Mormons ** ** Excuse me. The truth is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) is not a cult any more than any other religion. They were all founded on the precepts of belief of a man who was disgruntled with what their present religion was teaching them. Look at any branch of Christianity and you will find this to be true. I will defend my right to worship as I choose and be a member of the LSD faith. It is not a cult. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Accessories - Reply message - From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Mormons Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am ** ** Linda, just look for the truth. ** ** Jerry ** ** *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Linda Herd *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:19 PM *To:* missouri coalition *Subject:* [MoLiCo] Mormons ** ** Folks, I am ashamed of the man who stated on T.V. that Mormons are in a cult. That seems to me to be hitting below the belt. I know several and they are not any different than most of the rest of us Christians. I would be ashamed of myself to use such tactics. I am not voting for Mitt Romney, but I am not using the fact that he is Mormon. People can be and many are just plain old mean. I always ask myself a question that is not answerable and this is, why are people so mean to the point of being evil? That would take someone higher in spirit to explain I suppose. Linda -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do
Re: [MoLiCo] WY anyone..?
FYI, there have been updates to that link that clarify the situation. Jeremy D. Young On 09/25/2011 07:53 PM, Andrew Lower wrote: Thank God we have county sheriffs to stand between us and the feds, if/when necessary. --- On *Sun, 9/25/11, Tom Martz /t.ma...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com Subject: [MoLiCo] WY anyone..? To: Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011, 7:31 PM http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/09/22/wyoming-sheriffs-told-federal-batf-irs-agents-to-abide-by-the-constitution-or-face-immediate-arrest/ -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] WY anyone..?
Thank God we have county sheriffs to stand between us and the feds, if/when necessary. --- On Sun, 9/25/11, Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com Subject: [MoLiCo] WY anyone..? To: Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011, 7:31 PM http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/09/22/wyoming-sheriffs-told-federal-batf-irs-agents-to-abide-by-the-constitution-or-face-immediate-arrest/ -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar?
Jerry, You are always kind and do not make me look like an idiot. I appreciate that. Linda From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 9:35:59 AM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? Linda, I think that might be your answer, I too have unsubscribed to a lot of groups because of the misinformation that is being thrown out across the internet, today we must seek out the truth. Jerry From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:53 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? Jerry, Well, that is just as bad as saying that it is true. Thank, you Jerry. Some people are just mean like I have already said. I am not ashamed about this, but I am ashamed that anyone would say it, euphemism or not. Politics are beginning to bother me because of just how dirty they actually get. It is like going throught a divorce. Say the worst thing possible and hurt as much as possible. I do not like Obama and do not want him re-elected and think that he is actually a spy, traitor, and wants to bring America and Americans down. He could not do more to hurt us, I guess. Yet on the other hand I do not like getting down as low or lower than my enemy. Sometimes, people do make me sick to my stomach and that is no ly. When I read something like to this I will unsubscribe. Good one to do so. Linda From:Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, September 20, 2011 2:03:30 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? Linda, I thank it was used as a euphemism, a bad one but more along that line. Jerry From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:12 AM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? I know what being bipolar is like and that would make it impossible to be president. I would never consider it. We people are intelligent, funny, quick, and depressed sometimes and manic other times. My manic episodes cause me to have problems functioning because my mind speeds faster than my body can go. There is good medication which helps enormously, but there are too many depressing area with which one has to deal to do that job. I do not know if this is true, but if it is, he has a job that he most likely cannot handle. I would like to know more about this if it is true or gossip. If it is gossip this would be despicable. Bipolar people do well most of the time on medication but I would never want that much responsibility. I did a good job of teaching because we are very dramatic and kids love that and I was only depressed a few times and for good reasons. All people have that problem. I am more manic that depressive so that works well with students. I can joke and see the funny side of most things and this keeps their attention. I was only diagnosed at the age of 42 when something happened in my family that depressed all of us. We can actually be high functioning in the right circumstances, but the huge responsibility of this job would not be a good thing because of so much criticism. I also would like to know why this has been put out if it weren't true and this is a conservative newsletter. I would hope no one would say this just to hurt him. I am definitely ashamed of anyone who said this. This is wrong. I do not care who said it whether it be a liberal or conservative and it would probably be a conservative wouldn't most people agree. Tom Martz seems to know a lot about such things as this so I am asking you, Tom, is this just dangerous gossip? Linda Herd - Forwarded Message From: Cowboy Byte m...@conservativebyte.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 5:16:11 AM Subject: Is Obama Bipolar? Having trouble viewing this email? Click here Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified.CowboyByte width=684 height=103 September 16, 2011 News and Thoughts for the day Today's Cowboy Headlines: * See the 10 Coolest Weapons Found Only in Uncle Sam’s Arsenal * Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Resigns Over Global Warming * In our beef checkoff, results matter most. * UPDATE: US Postal Service Considers Closing Facilities Headlines you might have missed: * New liability law, DNR program combine to help landowners experiencing deer damage * Montana cattle herd quarantined over disease * Concealed Carry Reciprocity Advocates Could Get Major Win With New House Bill * Colorado Cantaloupes Prompt Warning After Multi-State Listeria Outbreak * Border Patrol Finds Rocket Launcher Near Rio Grande Today's Featured Article: Is Obama Bipolar? Follow
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar?
Jerry, Well, that is just as bad as saying that it is true. Thank, you Jerry. Some people are just mean like I have already said. I am not ashamed about this, but I am ashamed that anyone would say it, euphemism or not. Politics are beginning to bother me because of just how dirty they actually get. It is like going throught a divorce. Say the worst thing possible and hurt as much as possible. I do not like Obama and do not want him re-elected and think that he is actually a spy, traitor, and wants to bring America and Americans down. He could not do more to hurt us, I guess. Yet on the other hand I do not like getting down as low or lower than my enemy. Sometimes, people do make me sick to my stomach and that is no ly. When I read something like to this I will unsubscribe. Good one to do so. Linda From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, September 20, 2011 2:03:30 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? Linda, I thank it was used as a euphemism, a bad one but more along that line. Jerry From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:12 AM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? I know what being bipolar is like and that would make it impossible to be president. I would never consider it. We people are intelligent, funny, quick, and depressed sometimes and manic other times. My manic episodes cause me to have problems functioning because my mind speeds faster than my body can go. There is good medication which helps enormously, but there are too many depressing area with which one has to deal to do that job. I do not know if this is true, but if it is, he has a job that he most likely cannot handle. I would like to know more about this if it is true or gossip. If it is gossip this would be despicable. Bipolar people do well most of the time on medication but I would never want that much responsibility. I did a good job of teaching because we are very dramatic and kids love that and I was only depressed a few times and for good reasons. All people have that problem. I am more manic that depressive so that works well with students. I can joke and see the funny side of most things and this keeps their attention. I was only diagnosed at the age of 42 when something happened in my family that depressed all of us. We can actually be high functioning in the right circumstances, but the huge responsibility of this job would not be a good thing because of so much criticism. I also would like to know why this has been put out if it weren't true and this is a conservative newsletter. I would hope no one would say this just to hurt him. I am definitely ashamed of anyone who said this. This is wrong. I do not care who said it whether it be a liberal or conservative and it would probably be a conservative wouldn't most people agree. Tom Martz seems to know a lot about such things as this so I am asking you, Tom, is this just dangerous gossip? Linda Herd - Forwarded Message From: Cowboy Byte m...@conservativebyte.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 5:16:11 AM Subject: Is Obama Bipolar? Having trouble viewing this email? Click here Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified.CowboyByte width=684 height=103 September 16, 2011 News and Thoughts for the day Today's Cowboy Headlines: * See the 10 Coolest Weapons Found Only in Uncle Sam’s Arsenal * Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Resigns Over Global Warming * In our beef checkoff, results matter most. * UPDATE: US Postal Service Considers Closing Facilities Headlines you might have missed: * New liability law, DNR program combine to help landowners experiencing deer damage * Montana cattle herd quarantined over disease * Concealed Carry Reciprocity Advocates Could Get Major Win With New House Bill * Colorado Cantaloupes Prompt Warning After Multi-State Listeria Outbreak * Border Patrol Finds Rocket Launcher Near Rio Grande Today's Featured Article: Is Obama Bipolar? Follow Cowboy Byte on TWITTER! Join Cowboy Byte on FACEBOOK! New:When Guns Are Outlawed... Only Outlaws and Governments Will Have Guns When Guns Are Outlawed T-Shirt A succinct and powerful message that needs to be heard by all Americans who love liberty and love their country. Available in Small, Medium, Large, XL, 2XL, 3XL Image applied to back of shirt. WAS $26.95 • ORDER NOW SAVE! • ONLY $19.95! * * In Stock Now! * * New:The Second Amendment Is My Gun Permit T-Shirt Are you getting tired of the liberal rhetoric, guns are bad. We are too! The second amendment is our gun permit. It guarantees our right to carry and that should settle it. But unless we stay vocal about the issue, don't be surprised when
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar?
Linda, I think that might be your answer, I too have unsubscribed to a lot of groups because of the misinformation that is being thrown out across the internet, today we must seek out the truth. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:53 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? Jerry, Well, that is just as bad as saying that it is true. Thank, you Jerry. Some people are just mean like I have already said. I am not ashamed about this, but I am ashamed that anyone would say it, euphemism or not. Politics are beginning to bother me because of just how dirty they actually get. It is like going throught a divorce. Say the worst thing possible and hurt as much as possible. I do not like Obama and do not want him re-elected and think that he is actually a spy, traitor, and wants to bring America and Americans down. He could not do more to hurt us, I guess. Yet on the other hand I do not like getting down as low or lower than my enemy. Sometimes, people do make me sick to my stomach and that is no ly. When I read something like to this I will unsubscribe. Good one to do so. Linda From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, September 20, 2011 2:03:30 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? Linda, I thank it was used as a euphemism, a bad one but more along that line. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:12 AM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? I know what being bipolar is like and that would make it impossible to be president. I would never consider it. We people are intelligent, funny, quick, and depressed sometimes and manic other times. My manic episodes cause me to have problems functioning because my mind speeds faster than my body can go. There is good medication which helps enormously, but there are too many depressing area with which one has to deal to do that job. I do not know if this is true, but if it is, he has a job that he most likely cannot handle. I would like to know more about this if it is true or gossip. If it is gossip this would be despicable. Bipolar people do well most of the time on medication but I would never want that much responsibility. I did a good job of teaching because we are very dramatic and kids love that and I was only depressed a few times and for good reasons. All people have that problem. I am more manic that depressive so that works well with students. I can joke and see the funny side of most things and this keeps their attention. I was only diagnosed at the age of 42 when something happened in my family that depressed all of us. We can actually be high functioning in the right circumstances, but the huge responsibility of this job would not be a good thing because of so much criticism. I also would like to know why this has been put out if it weren't true and this is a conservative newsletter. I would hope no one would say this just to hurt him. I am definitely ashamed of anyone who said this. This is wrong. I do not care who said it whether it be a liberal or conservative and it would probably be a conservative wouldn't most people agree. Tom Martz seems to know a lot about such things as this so I am asking you, Tom, is this just dangerous gossip? Linda Herd - Forwarded Message From: Cowboy Byte m...@conservativebyte.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 5:16:11 AM Subject: Is Obama Bipolar? Having trouble viewing this email? Click here http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=wsfjuicabv=001VK-ta8v4J pXG6goysu95Zv5YQbj63CJAbrYFhetklDZkUkeaw6aG9hZi_Hq9SZrzZArlIYZqhz0axfIP9pXCv WI0y0CIWvuwGWQLGPaFc7MqEt_5QPK_5Q%3D%3D Error! Filename not specified. http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnakH2II0pbVaexTzkD3Muj9ZMwVx451jivDJPiO8qN0aKuxNYaR5fRxOEcCohFQCN--tAvm iLamCAgS5VQRk3uE473SksESj3pSp74MpsWEtw== Error! Filename not specified.CowboyByte width=684 height=103 September 16, 2011 News and Thoughts for the day Today's Cowboy Headlines: * See the 10 Coolest Weapons Found Only in Uncle Sam http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnZ8o-TaKkPL7pdUWguM4XDBCsVP2B25AZj51gh-aCleGnY0aHBs7_CpCeteSd_IKEJVbSMC rfMWJKHkXpueWr7EIgjq15JKLMPNwMymXywSH4mbIADY1w_trG_aAnOV5soZbM37EA8FBQycrIO6 juckZXXfFf3SbLshrkUYFawMetP0-7T3yH6R7tJu6x2y4Yo3eEMH4Kdu-KfjtuKHfElV 's Arsenal * Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Resigns Over Global Warming http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnYxwa8fmQbgifKHoR7PINw2T1G9CFW0uDOexnuMwQIJU4qgvUoZDn24S0l36rdwdYJK029G
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar?
Linda, I thank it was used as a euphemism, a bad one but more along that line. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:12 AM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Is Obama Bipolar? I know what being bipolar is like and that would make it impossible to be president. I would never consider it. We people are intelligent, funny, quick, and depressed sometimes and manic other times. My manic episodes cause me to have problems functioning because my mind speeds faster than my body can go. There is good medication which helps enormously, but there are too many depressing area with which one has to deal to do that job. I do not know if this is true, but if it is, he has a job that he most likely cannot handle. I would like to know more about this if it is true or gossip. If it is gossip this would be despicable. Bipolar people do well most of the time on medication but I would never want that much responsibility. I did a good job of teaching because we are very dramatic and kids love that and I was only depressed a few times and for good reasons. All people have that problem. I am more manic that depressive so that works well with students. I can joke and see the funny side of most things and this keeps their attention. I was only diagnosed at the age of 42 when something happened in my family that depressed all of us. We can actually be high functioning in the right circumstances, but the huge responsibility of this job would not be a good thing because of so much criticism. I also would like to know why this has been put out if it weren't true and this is a conservative newsletter. I would hope no one would say this just to hurt him. I am definitely ashamed of anyone who said this. This is wrong. I do not care who said it whether it be a liberal or conservative and it would probably be a conservative wouldn't most people agree. Tom Martz seems to know a lot about such things as this so I am asking you, Tom, is this just dangerous gossip? Linda Herd - Forwarded Message From: Cowboy Byte m...@conservativebyte.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 5:16:11 AM Subject: Is Obama Bipolar? Having trouble viewing this email? Click here http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=wsfjuicabv=001VK-ta8v4J pXG6goysu95Zv5YQbj63CJAbrYFhetklDZkUkeaw6aG9hZi_Hq9SZrzZArlIYZqhz0axfIP9pXCv WI0y0CIWvuwGWQLGPaFc7MqEt_5QPK_5Q%3D%3D Error! Filename not specified. http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnakH2II0pbVaexTzkD3Muj9ZMwVx451jivDJPiO8qN0aKuxNYaR5fRxOEcCohFQCN--tAvm iLamCAgS5VQRk3uE473SksESj3pSp74MpsWEtw== Error! Filename not specified.CowboyByte width=684 height=103 September 16, 2011 News and Thoughts for the day Today's Cowboy Headlines: * See the 10 Coolest Weapons Found Only in Uncle Sam http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnZ8o-TaKkPL7pdUWguM4XDBCsVP2B25AZj51gh-aCleGnY0aHBs7_CpCeteSd_IKEJVbSMC rfMWJKHkXpueWr7EIgjq15JKLMPNwMymXywSH4mbIADY1w_trG_aAnOV5soZbM37EA8FBQycrIO6 juckZXXfFf3SbLshrkUYFawMetP0-7T3yH6R7tJu6x2y4Yo3eEMH4Kdu-KfjtuKHfElV 's Arsenal * Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Resigns Over Global Warming http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnYxwa8fmQbgifKHoR7PINw2T1G9CFW0uDOexnuMwQIJU4qgvUoZDn24S0l36rdwdYJK029G FHkiQYXXkWhBzDLphmPKeGYKbweRqHuom8UVvgcUtLcjkUSzRBaYzCT_1O4iJYvqAObjocztI3E5 7HvA53yZ3m7Y4_FpKaMeti5fPrNlpItTi2lChkQ2yQzvjZg= * In our beef checkoff, results matter most. http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnaNQDRyP_G-Vv9GCz-eUeW8D8Qt_m6xEW05RURPpM4W9Mt2a_Vx0Q0s8K7cqvyXvp8nJ6QN 49_F7y9OLCJkcyzOZdF-XwB-31t6Lmd7TI8jlIrLiLnCSIauW3lwbDiD73ZpO9tybMhjMdlf_hYI GL93IK23PpABygp9Pc4Z_H0DUA== * UPDATE: US Postal Service Considers Closing Facilities http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5Znb70YKS9VQWKQeshz6on6nmCQSVypqsHoia1jLd5n4SDCH4-qLGc-bfZkXy-muUUGK-h2_p HIE05immkbbNsL2JlgCpNALnRDukATQ_uHjseDhKHLcjehbEg4JslvOiavYaj7VtgDqY76HWEI7S 3ykOYbGktxepIH9qlEGBm0gOoaoBkhRolMAECUL_fVTz-dE= Headlines you might have missed: * New liability law, DNR program combine to help landowners experiencing deer damage http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnaFrIcPIZe9YZXt89LHrrsnCHNbi4MGHwYYBWgA12yX3ltKMm9mW_LhKeFEDbS35UHhjaqG 8rpHeJ54DQ0CzZnDA8tuyaQhjTTORI4SA1CrnV4J3QORcveq9fVo0KiUdQpyldlGqBrrmDGFkpVw cv8-IOMcvvi-KlEEHSUbnQ8KEGmnMgR6Z339RzI9SQER7CTdncoVx8vBEArmmSOf86etU12Ftp0h qag= * Montana cattle herd quarantined over disease http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=wsfjuicabet=1107652438952s=454074e=001XmbG OJq5ZnY8TA81KK78HLLlChtD5dhMjsXeQy11whSqnU-vWlQjYqUqBlkvMbIKEsMWJMPh0rO2Ejls
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: New Post at Framing the Questions
Would anyone agree that some people are having trouble delineating the problems of now as to the problems years ago when government was different and the immigrants were good for the country and were a part of making America a better place rather than causing many problems and one of which is over population? What we need here is reality, not ignorance which is so dangerous because of this subject. Platitudes of wrongness on the part of Americans is not relative here. Is there any problem with this particular immigration that is so serious that groups of people find a need to prevent the root of new severe problems here? Selfishness is not a card, either. There are better ways to work with this issue than allowing the problem to continue until it is too late to save our way of life and theirs or just our live and theirs. We go to every part of the world to protect our own interests. We need to do the same here. Fight the wrongs of Mexico in Mexico because when the innocents come here, there are more problems caused than the goodness that they can bring. Our entitlement programs are being flooded because of this and are crashing disabling many who have paid for them and who will in the end suffer greatly. Immigration sounds like the charitable thing to do, but when people do something that is suicidal, others try to prevent them from doing so. Suicide is imminent, but the time of such is the current fight. Let us prevent it happening sooner than later is the idea as I see it. Pessimistic, yes? I do not see one person in the Ozark's Minute Men who is evil and in fact they are some of the nicest people one can imagine and have the advantage of having educated themselves as to the error of our current actions. I feel no guilt in having gotten signatures for this E-Verify ordinance in the slightest. I hate to kill the cow in order to eat for survival. Does this stop us from doing it? This is not hate, nor a racial card but it is something that is a survival card. If one cannot see this, then that one should become more educated about this situation rather than putting forth that the group is evil. I just hope that this public here can see through these platitudes and see the reality of this undertaking. We know why this Council opposes the group which is as I see it, the part that is evil. There will be no one left on that Council who will want my opinion at this point. I have no vested interest in allowing illegals to work under the table for me or just work for less. We need to look at the horizon rather than just a few feet in front of us and look to the future rather than just that which can be gleamed for the now. This is similar to the problems that have faced governments for all time and we know how powerful governments become with time. Right on, Tom. It bothered me greatly that Stevens and Rush were allowed to send their circulars in the same envelopes of the Mayor's. Control is the word to use in the workings of this and almost all Cities. It's a game and there is so much effort put into it. The public is the completely uninformed host of leeches, putting it as badly as possible. Now I guess I should worry about that huge rock that may very well fall on me. Maybe it will miss me due to my less than massive structure. Linda Herd From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, September 5, 2011 3:46:03 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: New Post at Framing the Questions I guess his left leanings or should we say government leanings remain the same now much as during his selection to represent the people of Springfield. The current system doesn't work it is time to CHANGE. -- Forwarded message -- From: Framing the Questions nore...@onlinequickblog.com Date: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:37 AM Subject: New Post at Framing the Questions To: tom t.ma...@gmail.com Framing the Questions published a new post entitled Petition Musings--Part 2 on 9/5/2011 12:37:10 PM, written by R Stephens. Petition Musings--Part 2 Whether our heritage was comprised of Native Americans, Caucasians in the early days of America’s recorded history, Africans in the late 18th century and beyond, Asians during the beginning of the Industrial Age, Irish during the great Potato Famine, Italians, Germans, Cubans, or Vietnamese in the mid-70s—we are all either immigrants or descendants of immigrants.In 1630, Puritan John Winthrop preached a sermon to the Massachusetts Bay Colony entitled “A Model of Christian Charity.” In that sermon he indicated that their new community would be a “city upon a hill,” and would be watched by the world. Three hundred fifty years later, this phrase would be often echoed by the late President Ronald Reagan in his descriptions of America as “the shining city on the hill” for the rest of the world. The country will
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: New Post at Framing the Questions
Tom: I would forward the opinion that Mr. Stephens has blathered some platitudes with little meaning to the current situation. I would further add that it looks like he wants to place himself in a position that will not hurt him - - - no matter how the next Council vote comes up. Real gutty stuff on his part here. Remember the song Old Man River? First line is Fish gotta swim? The next line to the song isn't Birds gotta fly.It's Stephens gotta blather. Hey, in the meantime, we gotta live with the man and his actions - - - until the next election. Jim Hornaday. From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, September 5, 2011 3:46:03 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: New Post at Framing the Questions I guess his left leanings or should we say government leanings remain the same now much as during his selection to represent the people of Springfield. The current system doesn't work it is time to CHANGE. -- Forwarded message -- From: Framing the Questions nore...@onlinequickblog.com Date: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:37 AM Subject: New Post at Framing the Questions To: tom t.ma...@gmail.com Framing the Questions published a new post entitled Petition Musings--Part 2 on 9/5/2011 12:37:10 PM, written by R Stephens. Petition Musings--Part 2 Whether our heritage was comprised of Native Americans, Caucasians in the early days of America’s recorded history, Africans in the late 18th century and beyond, Asians during the beginning of the Industrial Age, Irish during the great Potato Famine, Italians, Germans, Cubans, or Vietnamese in the mid-70s—we are all either immigrants or descendants of immigrants.In 1630, Puritan John Winthrop preached a sermon to the Massachusetts Bay Colony entitled “A Model of Christian Charity.” In that sermon he indicated that their new community would be a “city upon a hill,” and would be watched by the world. Three hundred fifty years later, this phrase would be often echoed by the late President Ronald Reagan in his descriptions of America as “the shining city on the hill” for the rest of the world. The country will watch our actions here in Springfield. Will Springfield shine or will the tarnish spread? Permalink: framingthequestion.us/2011/09/05/petition-musings--part-2.aspx * Comment on this post. * Subscribe to future comments on this post. * Unsubscribe from this blog This is an automated message. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Joe Illegal
Thanks Linda, I appreciate you sending this to the Mayor and others, keep up the good work, we must stand for what we believe. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 2:28 AM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Joe Illegal Mayor, I have written you a few times and have never wanted to offend you. I am afraid that I disagree with the City Council quite concerning the E-Verify Ordinance. I hope you are not irritated to much because of this email. I can see that the majority of the City Council is against Everify and I was one who helped get signatures because of what is said below. I have seen this right here on my block where illegals were hired. They do not even have to drive to work for the ones who use them drive them to and from work. They are illegal. They will fill the country to the point of our downfall of this economy and bankrupt our entitlements. Honestly, I do not think that this is racist. I taught Spanish in the Springfield Public Schools. All business here that can hire them for less and use them to get ahead should have to use E-Verify. I do not welcome into my home every person who walks by my house that is not working and many of these are those who could be working. I see landlords who rent only to people on Social Security and I know that many doctors here in town only help patients who are on Social Security. This seems extremely unhelpful for the society as a whole. We must watch what we do even in the name of charity. If we cannot afford charity, charity begins at home. I would think that our Council could study this and come to the understanding that our group is not evil or asking others to be evil. No other country in the world allows whomever wants to come into their country to do so. It simply does not work and is somewhat like just giving in to other countries who want to take what we have worked to make our country strong, although, our country is getting less and less so each and every day, week, month and year. I would rather send troops to Mexico in order to secure the negatives caused by the drug cartels and the government than allow them to destroy our prosperity and then in kind destroy their prosperity. Please do not think badly of me, but it is so hard to fathom that we are ignorant enough to call on the racist card. I have never been racist because my parents were so careful to teach us not to be be. Any employer who can use them to save money is not a loyal American and they are the ones that are causing the problems that Joe Illegal is causing. How can we continue with this without doing something to help our own progeny? This is the card that is being played. What would you do to change this ordinance? I see no dangerous idea in it that needs to be changed. We had one man want to rent one of our houses who brought pretty young Mexican women to Springfield and I swear he wanted to rent our house for them to live in until he sold them to men in this area for $500 and made no excuses nor lies. He planned to let a large number of young women live in the house because they would not be there long. This is what begins to happen when there is no security for our borders. I want my home to be secure and I want my country secure. Many of these illegals are breaking the law in more than one way. I see that from the top down that the illegal is favored over us people who have worked for our freedom. In that I say that these people do not even have to defend what we give them and I mean give them. Think about the following: JOE vs.JOSE You have two families: Joe Legaland Jose Illegal.Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California. Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted. Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash under the table. Ready? Now pay attention... Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00. Jose Illegal: $15..00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00. Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00. Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00. Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose
Re: [MoLiCo] Joe Illegal
Jerry, I know that I have made mistakes in some of the ways I have tried to improve our lives here in the Ozarks. Thank you for the opportunity to send this to the proper authorities for the best of this City. It looks like to me that the very people who use these illegals are the same people who lobby our City Council which is unspeakable or an evil thing for this City. Lobbying can be a very dangerous thing and this country has way too much of it from the wrong people or the greedy people. ATT is ready to cut our throats again trying to buy out other cell phone companies, another example of greed. The fact is that they have already done so to an extent and that is why our cell phone bills are ridulous. Just another way we have to fight to keep prosperity while fighting the people who will ruin themselves while stealing from us. They may be intelligent in making money, but are ignorant of what is best for all if ys abd themselves. Thanks again for this. I knew it was severe but this makes it a picture for those who feel sorry for people who will hurt them in return. Even the illegals are ignorant of what they do. It is hard to forgive them for what they do. Am I not there yet? Linda Herd - Original Message From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 3:14:54 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Joe Illegal Thanks Linda, I appreciate you sending this to the Mayor and others, keep up the good work, we must stand for what we believe. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 2:28 AM To: missouri liberty coalition Subject: [MoLiCo] Joe Illegal Mayor, I have written you a few times and have never wanted to offend you. I am afraid that I disagree with the City Council quite concerning the E-Verify Ordinance. I hope you are not irritated to much because of this email. I can see that the majority of the City Council is against Everify and I was one who helped get signatures because of what is said below. I have seen this right here on my block where illegals were hired. They do not even have to drive to work for the ones who use them drive them to and from work. They are illegal. They will fill the country to the point of our downfall of this economy and bankrupt our entitlements. Honestly, I do not think that this is racist. I taught Spanish in the Springfield Public Schools. All business here that can hire them for less and use them to get ahead should have to use E-Verify. I do not welcome into my home every person who walks by my house that is not working and many of these are those who could be working. I see landlords who rent only to people on Social Security and I know that many doctors here in town only help patients who are on Social Security. This seems extremely unhelpful for the society as a whole. We must watch what we do even in the name of charity. If we cannot afford charity, charity begins at home. I would think that our Council could study this and come to the understanding that our group is not evil or asking others to be evil. No other country in the world allows whomever wants to come into their country to do so. It simply does not work and is somewhat like just giving in to other countries who want to take what we have worked to make our country strong, although, our country is getting less and less so each and every day, week, month and year. I would rather send troops to Mexico in order to secure the negatives caused by the drug cartels and the government than allow them to destroy our prosperity and then in kind destroy their prosperity. Please do not think badly of me, but it is so hard to fathom that we are ignorant enough to call on the racist card. I have never been racist because my parents were so careful to teach us not to be be. Any employer who can use them to save money is not a loyal American and they are the ones that are causing the problems that Joe Illegal is causing. How can we continue with this without doing something to help our own progeny? This is the card that is being played. What would you do to change this ordinance? I see no dangerous idea in it that needs to be changed. We had one man want to rent one of our houses who brought pretty young Mexican women to Springfield and I swear he wanted to rent our house for them to live in until he sold them to men in this area for $500 and made no excuses nor lies. He planned to let a large number of young women live in the house because they would not be there long. This is what begins to happen when there is no security for our borders. I want my home to be secure and I want my country secure. Many of these illegals are breaking the law in more than one way
Re: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion
Spfdgolf: I agree with you. Jody Adams is a unrepentant empire builder, and wants a new parks tax - - on top of what we are already paying and regardless of whether the people NEED more parks and new high price parks administrators. I find it refreshing that our new Presiding Commisioner Jim Vriebrock has squelched her - - temporarily. Vriebrock desperately needs new funds to alleviate the overcrowding in the county jail. I would say we voters are facing a new county tax proposal for law enforcement. As this issue develops, I will bombard (i.e, email) Vriebrock with the idea that any piggyback Parks tax on the law enforcement tax proposal will be a sure way for the public to turn down both requests. Jim Hornaday From: spfdgolf spfdg...@att.net To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, August 14, 2011 8:51:31 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion from this Friday listing, I see that Ms. Adams is full speed ahead on expanding her Parks Department. I don't believe she mentionedthree new assistantparks directors at $70,720 - $96,460 on her 2006 list of tax promises... This is an internal promotion position only... meaning if you have a son or daughter with an MBA or beyond who is not already a part of the city... They need not apply. Sort of a private club public position I would suppose one could simply vote no on any new taxes, as one never knows what they will really do with the funds... “INTERNAL JOB POSTING ONLY” http://www.springfieldmo.gov/jobs/vacancy/3340.html This announcement applies only to persons who are receiving pay as regular full-time or regular part-time City employees, who meet the minimum qualifications outlined on the attached job description. ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION 3 CURRENT VACANCIES Duties Serves in one of major program areas, with responsibility for the total supervisory operation and management of the City/County parks and recreation system. Plans, organizes, directs, controls and evaluates policies, procedures and guidelines as established by the City Council, County Commission, Springfield/Greene County Park Board, and the Director of Parks Recreation for the overall administration of quality leisure service activities, facilities, and services. Requires Graduation from an accredited college or university with a Bachelor’s Degree in Parks, Recreation, Business, Public Administration, Marketing, Architecture, Engineering, Facilities Management, Zoology, Conservation Management (depending on assignment) or related field plus at least four years of responsible work experience at a comparable supervisory level in the parks and recreation field. A Master’s Degree and/or continued/specialized education in the Parks Recreation field are preferred. Certified Park and Recreation Professional (CPRP) or other related licenses/certifications as deemed necessary. Attends evening and weekend meetings, special events, programs, etc. as required. See Job Description for Essential Duties and Qualifications. Salary $2,722.74 - $3,710.84 Bi-weekly is complete Salary Range. Application Deadline 5:00 p.m., Friday, August 19, 2011. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion
If we are going to ever fix the need of overcrowding at the jail, we have to fix what is wrong with the system, it is broke!! Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Hornaday Jr. Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion Spfdgolf: I agree with you. Jody Adams is a unrepentant empire builder, and wants a new parks tax - - on top of what we are already paying and regardless of whether the people NEED more parks and new high price parks administrators. I find it refreshing that our new Presiding Commisioner Jim Vriebrock has squelched her - - temporarily. Vriebrock desperately needs new funds to alleviate the overcrowding in the county jail. I would say we voters are facing a new county tax proposal for law enforcement. As this issue develops, I will bombard (i.e, email) Vriebrock with the idea that any piggyback Parks tax on the law enforcement tax proposal will be a sure way for the public to turn down both requests. Jim Hornaday _ From: spfdgolf spfdg...@att.net To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, August 14, 2011 8:51:31 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion from this Friday listing, I see that Ms. Adams is full speed ahead on expanding her Parks Department. I don't believe she mentioned three new assistantparks directors at $70,720 - $96,460 on her 2006 list of tax promises... This is an internal promotion position only... meaning if you have a son or daughter with an MBA or beyond who is not already a part of the city... They need not apply. Sort of a private club public position I would suppose one could simply vote no on any new taxes, as one never knows what they will really do with the funds... INTERNAL JOB POSTING ONLY http://www.springfieldmo.gov/jobs/vacancy/3340.html This announcement applies only to persons who are receiving pay as regular full-time or regular part-time City employees, who meet the minimum qualifications outlined on the attached job description. ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION 3 CURRENT VACANCIES Duties Serves in one of major program areas, with responsibility for the total supervisory operation and management of the City/County parks and recreation system. Plans, organizes, directs, controls and evaluates policies, procedures and guidelines as established by the City Council, County Commission, Springfield/Greene County Park Board, and the Director of Parks Recreation for the overall administration of quality leisure service activities, facilities, and services. Requires Graduation from an accredited college or university with a Bachelor's Degree in Parks, Recreation, Business, Public Administration, Marketing, Architecture, Engineering, Facilities Management, Zoology, Conservation Management (depending on assignment) or related field plus at least four years of responsible work experience at a comparable supervisory level in the parks and recreation field. A Master's Degree and/or continued/specialized education in the Parks Recreation field are preferred. Certified Park and Recreation Professional (CPRP) or other related licenses/certifications as deemed necessary. Attends evening and weekend meetings, special events, programs, etc. as required. See Job Description http://www.springfieldmo.gov/jobs/pdfs/asst_dir_parks_rec.pdf for Essential Duties and Qualifications. Salary $2,722.74 - $3,710.84 Bi-weekly is complete Salary Range. Application Deadline 5:00 p.m., Friday, August 19, 2011. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion
Jerry: Not having done anything but read the N-L, I would hazard the opinion that the shortage of circuit court judges is the worst long-term problem in local law enforcement. Getting the State to supply us with more judges will take an act of God and a turn-around in the State's finances. In the meantime, we are stuck with that problem. The County has wrung the last nickel out of their budget. The only thing that will alleviate their problem is a hypothetical big increase in sales taxes. The latest monthly payback from the State went down 5%. Or maybe the State will magnanimously pay the county the full per diem amount they are supposed to pay. HAH! I do agree that the lack of deputies in the jail creates an internal safety hazard, but adding more jailers is merely bandaging the wound without healing anything. Turning out the 'least' violent jail offenders on probation is not a good solution in any sense of the word. Our paying for more prosecuters will, in my opinion, do not anything significant in reducing the jail count - - as long as we are short of judges. Hey, maybe you have a better way to fix 'what is wrong with the system? The more I learn about the 'system', the worse it looks. I'm sorta stuck on any good ideas. Jim Hornaday From: Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 7:51:26 PM Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion If we are going to ever fix the need of overcrowding at the jail, we have to fix what is wrong with the system, it is broke!! Jerry From:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Hornaday Jr. Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion Spfdgolf: I agree with you. Jody Adams is a unrepentant empire builder, and wants a new parks tax - - on top of what we are already paying and regardless of whether the people NEED more parks and new high price parks administrators. I find it refreshing that our new Presiding Commisioner Jim Vriebrock has squelched her - - temporarily. Vriebrock desperately needs new funds to alleviate the overcrowding in the county jail. I would say we voters are facing a new county tax proposal for law enforcement. As this issue develops, I will bombard (i.e, email) Vriebrock with the idea that any piggyback Parks tax on the law enforcement tax proposal will be a sure way for the public to turn down both requests. Jim Hornaday From:spfdgolf spfdg...@att.net To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, August 14, 2011 8:51:31 PM Subject: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion from this Friday listing, I see that Ms. Adams is full speed ahead on expanding her Parks Department. I don't believe she mentionedthree new assistantparks directors at $70,720 - $96,460 on her 2006 list of tax promises... This is an internal promotion position only... meaning if you have a son or daughter with an MBA or beyond who is not already a part of the city... They need not apply. Sort of a private club public position I would suppose one could simply vote no on any new taxes, as one never knows what they will really do with the funds... “INTERNAL JOB POSTING ONLY” http://www.springfieldmo.gov/jobs/vacancy/3340.html This announcement applies only to persons who are receiving pay as regular full-time or regular part-time City employees, who meet the minimum qualifications outlined on the attached job description. ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION 3 CURRENT VACANCIES Duties Serves in one of major program areas, with responsibility for the total supervisory operation and management of the City/County parks and recreation system. Plans, organizes, directs, controls and evaluates policies, procedures and guidelines as established by the City Council, County Commission, Springfield/Greene County Park Board, and the Director of Parks Recreation for the overall administration of quality leisure service activities, facilities, and services. Requires Graduation from an accredited college or university with a Bachelor’s Degree in Parks, Recreation, Business, Public Administration, Marketing, Architecture, Engineering, Facilities Management, Zoology, Conservation Management (depending on assignment) or related field plus at least four years of responsible work experience at a comparable supervisory level in the parks and recreation field. A Master’s Degree and/or continued/specialized education in the Parks Recreation field are preferred. Certified Park and Recreation Professional (CPRP) or other related licenses/certifications as deemed necessary. Attends evening and weekend meetings, special events
RE: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion
This is way more than they pay teachers.makes ya wonder. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion: ...every responsible breeder is a puppy miller, every family farmer is a factory farmer and every responsible hunter is a poacher. This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals! Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals. Kill The Killing Fields Bills of the HSUS www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com http://www.google.com/url?sa=Dq=www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spfdgolf Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:52 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: [MoLiCo] Full speed ahead on parks expansion from this Friday listing, I see that Ms. Adams is full speed ahead on expanding her Parks Department. I don't believe she mentioned three new assistantparks directors at $70,720 - $96,460 on her 2006 list of tax promises... This is an internal promotion position only... meaning if you have a son or daughter with an MBA or beyond who is not already a part of the city... They need not apply. Sort of a private club public position I would suppose one could simply vote no on any new taxes, as one never knows what they will really do with the funds... INTERNAL JOB POSTING ONLY http://www.springfieldmo.gov/jobs/vacancy/3340.html This announcement applies only to persons who are receiving pay as regular full-time or regular part-time City employees, who meet the minimum qualifications outlined on the attached job description. ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION 3 CURRENT VACANCIES Duties Serves in one of major program areas, with responsibility for the total supervisory operation and management of the City/County parks and recreation system. Plans, organizes, directs, controls and evaluates policies, procedures and guidelines as established by the City Council, County Commission, Springfield/Greene County Park Board, and the Director of Parks Recreation for the overall administration of quality leisure service activities, facilities, and services. Requires Graduation from an accredited college or university with a Bachelor's Degree in Parks, Recreation, Business, Public Administration, Marketing, Architecture, Engineering, Facilities Management, Zoology, Conservation Management (depending on assignment) or related field plus at least four years of responsible work experience at a comparable supervisory level in the parks and recreation field. A Master's Degree and/or continued/specialized education in the Parks Recreation field are preferred. Certified Park and Recreation Professional (CPRP) or other related licenses/certifications as deemed necessary. Attends evening and weekend meetings, special events, programs, etc. as required. See Job Description http://www.springfieldmo.gov/jobs/pdfs/asst_dir_parks_rec.pdf for Essential Duties and Qualifications. Salary $2,722.74 - $3,710.84 Bi-weekly is complete Salary Range. Application Deadline 5:00 p.m., Friday, August 19, 2011. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fwd: New Post at Framing the Questions
Tom: Reading the sketchy details in today's N-L about the resolution of the budget debate, I'd say everybody lost. We are going deeper into debt, and the budget cuts (hahahahaha) won't occur for 10 years. Jim Hornaday From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, August 1, 2011 8:49:18 AM Subject: [MoLiCo] Fwd: New Post at Framing the Questions I guess his sister and he are under the impression we are a democracy..? Sorry Bob but a representative republic of which we are is designed for the very problems we saw the past few months. GRIDLOCK is to be the norm not compromise, gridlock means the people retain their freedom. -- Forwarded message -- From: Framing the Questions nore...@onlinequickblog.com Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:35 AM Subject: New Post at Framing the Questions To: tom t.ma...@gmail.com Framing the Questions published a new post entitled How We Look Abroad . . . on 8/1/2011 7:35:43 AM, written by R Stephens. How We Look Abroad . . . The following comment came from my sister who lives in Spain. I liked the Warren Buffet quote (although generally I prefer Jimmy). All this mess is so embarrassing from over here. The U.S. is set up as the best example of democracy in the world, what many other countries, especially emerging democracies were trying to imitate---and look at it. It is just feeding the anti-American feelings and leaving us wide open to very harsh criticism. This debacle reaches much farther than the U.S. borders. Not much to add to that. Permalink: framingthequestion.us/2011/08/01/how-we-look-abroad---.aspx * Comment on this post. * Subscribe to future comments on this post. * Unsubscribe from this blog This is an automated message. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
