RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax Hikes" on Patriot Action Network

[CathyM]

Here is one analogy about teacher’s wages that is quite old:

“I’m fed up with teachers and their hefty salary schedules. What we need here is
a little perspective.

If I had my way, I’d pay these teachers myself-I’d pay them baby-sitting wages.
That’s right-I’d rather give them $3 an hour out of my own pocket than pay my
outrageous taxes.  I’m only going to pay them for five hours, not lunch or
coffee breaks. That would be $15.00 a day. Each parent should pay $15 a day for
these teachers to babysit their child. Even if they have more than one child,
it’s still a lot cheaper than private daycare.

Now, how many children do they teach every day-maybe 20?  That’s $15×20=$300 a
day.  But remember they only work 180 days a year! I’m not going to pay them for
vacations! $300×180=$54,000. (Just a minute, I think my calculator needs new
batteries.)

I know you teachers will say-What about those who have  10 years experience and
a Master’s Degree? Well, maybe (to be fair) they could get the minimum wage, and
instead of just babysitting, they could read the kids a story. We could round
that off to about $5 an hour, times five hours, times 20 children. That’s $500 a
day times 180 days. That’s $90,000….HUH?

Wait a minute, let’s get a little perspective here. Babysitting wages are too
good for these teachers. Has anyone seen a salary schedule around here?”

~Anonymous~

And here is another more modern one from 2008 wrote by a teacher:

http://ednews.org/articles/i-want-baby-sitting-wages.html

 

Ridder is putting on an act.  He has been in education way too long and knows
how much time teachers put in compared to how much they get paid.  The problem
is there is only so many tax dollars collected and they have to pay the teachers
and the administrators (who are paid way more than the teachers) and provide
technology and supplies to teach the students.  

Now, I am not saying the administrators don’t earn the money because many do,
but compared to the teachers in the classroom from 8 to 3 and then in the school
building getting ready for the next day from 3 to 5 and then taking home papers
to grade for another hour at night…besides the meetings and professional
development that you may have to attend outside of school hours, plus any
continuing education that you may be required dependent on your license and
years teaching plus talking to parents about their children.  You get the idea.

So if the tax base is so much and you want to pay teachers what they are worth
there are only two answers:

1.Raise taxes.

2.Do away with taxes and have the parents pay the school according to one of
the scenarios above.  But one of the things they are forgetting in the scenarios
is where is all the money going to come for computers and text books and copiers
and copier paper and pencils and desks and chairs and manipulatives and maps and
smart boards and…and…and…This all has to come out of the this money also and
either education suffers or teachers don’t get paid.  Look at how many private
schools go under because they can’t make payroll and the rest for running a
school.

 

Anyway you look at it…education needs more money and teachers.  Good luck in
solving this dilemma!

 

 

CathyM

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November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion:
"...every "responsible breeder" is a "puppy miller", every "family farmer" is a
"factory farmer" and every "responsible hunter" is a "poacher"." 
This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals!  
Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals.  

Kill "The Killing Fields" Bills of the HSUS
 
www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com

 

 

From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Herd
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:01 PM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax Hikes" on
Patriot Action Network

 

Folks?

 

What about the contributions of these public servents? Obviously what is quoted
here is way too low. Anything from 4% to 7% is not enough. Raise contributions
and the problem would not be solved but it would help significantly. I would
like someone to either agree or disagree and explain why.

 

I just read something from Mr. Norm Ridder trying to justify salaries and
stipends. In my opinion he made a fool out of himself again. Did the rest of you
get his reply? I would be happy to forward it. He is definitely mad as a hornet
with no good justification. The Cheer Leading Coaches spend gads of time on
their job and get paid somewhat over $3,000? He is acting ignorant. Better yet
slick almost criminal. If anyone is a miscreant.

 

Linda Herd

 

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From: "Admin. II, Dee" 
To: "linda.h...@sbcglobal.net" 
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 8:00:0

Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax Hikes" on Patriot Action Network

[Tom Martz]

I'm actually in favor of those who have kids in the classroom footing the
bill, problem is their are more children coming from medium to low income
households then those who can afford to actually pay for the schooling. the
ultimate wealth redistribution scheme is education.

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:45 PM, CathyM  wrote:

> Here is one analogy about teacher’s wages that is quite old:
>
> *“I’m fed up with teachers and their hefty salary schedules. What we need
> here is a little perspective.*
>
> *If I had my way, I’d pay these teachers myself-I’d pay them baby-sitting
> wages. That’s right-I’d rather give them $3 an hour out of my own pocket
> than pay my outrageous taxes.  I’m only going to pay them for five hours,
> not lunch or coffee breaks. That would be $15.00 a day. Each parent should
> pay $15 a day for these teachers to babysit their child. Even if they have
> more than one child, it’s still a lot cheaper than private daycare.*
>
> *Now, how many children do they teach every day-maybe 20?  That’s
> $15×20=$300 a day.  But remember they only work 180 days a year! I’m not
> going to pay them for vacations! $300×180=$54,000. (Just a minute, I
> think my calculator needs new batteries.)*
>
> *I know you teachers will say-What about those who have  10 years
> experience and a Master’s Degree? Well, maybe (to be fair) they could get
> the minimum wage, and instead of just babysitting, they could read the kids
> a story. We could round that off to about $5 an hour, times five hours,
> times 20 children. That’s $500 a day times 180 days. That’s $90,000….HUH?*
>
> *Wait a minute, let’s get a little perspective here. Babysitting wages are
> too good for these teachers. Has anyone seen a salary schedule around here?”
> *
>
> *~Anonymous~*
>
> And here is another more modern one from 2008 wrote by a teacher:
>
> http://ednews.org/articles/i-want-baby-sitting-wages.html
>
>
>
> Ridder is putting on an act.  He has been in education way too long and
> knows how much time teachers put in compared to how much they get paid.  The
> problem is there is only so many tax dollars collected and they have to pay
> the teachers and the administrators (who are paid way more than the
> teachers) and provide technology and supplies to teach the students.
>
> Now, I am not saying the administrators don’t earn the money because many
> do, but compared to the teachers in the classroom from 8 to 3 and then in
> the school building getting ready for the next day from 3 to 5 and then
> taking home papers to grade for another hour at night…besides the meetings
> and professional development that you may have to attend outside of school
> hours, plus any continuing education that you may be required dependent on
> your license and years teaching plus talking to parents about their
> children.  You get the idea.
>
> So if the tax base is so much and you want to pay teachers what they are
> worth there are only two answers:
>
> 1.Raise taxes.
>
> 2.Do away with taxes and have the parents pay the school according to
> one of the scenarios above.  But one of the things they are forgetting in
> the scenarios is where is all the money going to come for computers and text
> books and copiers and copier paper and pencils and desks and chairs and
> manipulatives and maps and smart boards and…and…and…This all has to come out
> of the this money also and either education suffers or teachers don’t get
> paid.  Look at how many private schools go under because they can’t make
> payroll and the rest for running a school.
>
>
>
> Anyway you look at it…education needs more money and teachers.  Good luck
> in solving this dilemma!
>
>
>
>
>
> *CathyM*
>
> *Catren's Shar Pei*
>
> *Catren's Leather Show Accessories*
>
> *November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion:
> "...every "**responsible breeder**"** is a **"**puppy miller**"**, every "
> **family farmer**"** is a **"**factory farmer**"** and every "**responsible
> hunter**"** **is a **"**poacher**"**."
> This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals!
> Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals.
> *
>
> Kill "The Killing Fields" Bills of the HSUS
> www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com
>
> * *
>
>
>
> *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Linda Herd
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:01 PM
> *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax
> Hikes" on Patriot Action Network
>
>
>
> Folks?
>
>
>
> What about the contributions of these public servents? Obviously what is
> quoted here is way too low. Anything from 4% to 7% is not enough. Raise
> contributions and the problem would not be solved but it would help
> significantly. I would like someone to either agree or disagree and explain
> why.
>
>
>
> I just read something from Mr. Norm Ridder tryin

RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax Hikes" on Patriot Action Network

[CathyM]

You are right Tom.  And to further the problem it is the low income students
that require more resources because they don’t have food at home, personal
hygiene at home, or most the time parents who care what the children accomplish
in school (they look at school as a place to send their kids so they don’t have
to care for them).  To further this many children are exposed to drug and
alcohol consumption and production from inutero through to whatever time they
are removed from the home or escape due to age.  These children have more
problems with learning and attention that require more teacher time and other
resources (including paper and pencils – thank goodness there is the program
that Pitts started as it is a life saver for many kids).

 

All of this comes from my own observations during teaching.  I love all
children, but I don’t love or even like most parents.  Parents that are truly
concerned about their child’s education are not that many.  And many of those
that do are afraid of confronting the school when things start to go wrong for
the child so you don’t know their concerns because they either have fear of
making it worse for the child or they have a fear of authority figures and
teachers are supposed to be that.

 

I don’t know what the answer is for education but something is going to have to
give.  Teachers can’t make a living and if required to be paid on student
performance many will just up and quit due to the problems of low-income
families that you can’t base your ability to earn a living on things that you
have no control over.

 

CathyM

Catren's Shar Pei

Catren's Leather Show Accessories

November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion:
"...every "responsible breeder" is a "puppy miller", every "family farmer" is a
"factory farmer" and every "responsible hunter" is a "poacher"." 
This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals!  
Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals.  

Kill "The Killing Fields" Bills of the HSUS
 <http://www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com/>
www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com

 

 

From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:03 PM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax Hikes"
on Patriot Action Network

 

I'm actually in favor of those who have kids in the classroom footing the bill,
problem is their are more children coming from medium to low income households
then those who can afford to actually pay for the schooling. the ultimate wealth
redistribution scheme is education.

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:45 PM, CathyM  wrote:

Here is one analogy about teacher’s wages that is quite old:

“I’m fed up with teachers and their hefty salary schedules. What we need here is
a little perspective.

If I had my way, I’d pay these teachers myself-I’d pay them baby-sitting wages.
That’s right-I’d rather give them $3 an hour out of my own pocket than pay my
outrageous taxes.  I’m only going to pay them for five hours, not lunch or
coffee breaks. That would be $15.00 a day. Each parent should pay $15 a day for
these teachers to babysit their child. Even if they have more than one child,
it’s still a lot cheaper than private daycare.

Now, how many children do they teach every day-maybe 20?  That’s $15×20=$300 a
day.  But remember they only work 180 days a year! I’m not going to pay them for
vacations! $300×180=$54,000. (Just a minute, I think my calculator needs new
batteries.)

I know you teachers will say-What about those who have  10 years experience and
a Master’s Degree? Well, maybe (to be fair) they could get the minimum wage, and
instead of just babysitting, they could read the kids a story. We could round
that off to about $5 an hour, times five hours, times 20 children. That’s $500 a
day times 180 days. That’s $90,000….HUH?

Wait a minute, let’s get a little perspective here. Babysitting wages are too
good for these teachers. Has anyone seen a salary schedule around here?”

~Anonymous~

And here is another more modern one from 2008 wrote by a teacher:

http://ednews.org/articles/i-want-baby-sitting-wages.html

 

Ridder is putting on an act.  He has been in education way too long and knows
how much time teachers put in compared to how much they get paid.  The problem
is there is only so many tax dollars collected and they have to pay the teachers
and the administrators (who are paid way more than the teachers) and provide
technology and supplies to teach the students.  

Now, I am not saying the administrators don’t earn the money because many do,
but compared to the teachers in the classroom from 8 to 3 and then in the school
building getting ready for the 

RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax Hikes" on Patriot Action Network

[Jerry Blevins]

Well we might deal with a lot of this by doing away with the “Department of
Education” and eliminating all the Federal and State mandates upon local
schools and put the control back into the hands of the local people, that
would be a start and then instead of treating the symptoms, deal with the
reasons we have the problems we have.

 

Jerry 

 

From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CathyM
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:15 PM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax
Hikes" on Patriot Action Network

 

You are right Tom.  And to further the problem it is the low income students
that require more resources because they don’t have food at home, personal
hygiene at home, or most the time parents who care what the children
accomplish in school (they look at school as a place to send their kids so
they don’t have to care for them).  To further this many children are
exposed to drug and alcohol consumption and production from inutero through
to whatever time they are removed from the home or escape due to age.  These
children have more problems with learning and attention that require more
teacher time and other resources (including paper and pencils – thank
goodness there is the program that Pitts started as it is a life saver for
many kids).

 

All of this comes from my own observations during teaching.  I love all
children, but I don’t love or even like most parents.  Parents that are
truly concerned about their child’s education are not that many.  And many
of those that do are afraid of confronting the school when things start to
go wrong for the child so you don’t know their concerns because they either
have fear of making it worse for the child or they have a fear of authority
figures and teachers are supposed to be that.

 

I don’t know what the answer is for education but something is going to have
to give.  Teachers can’t make a living and if required to be paid on student
performance many will just up and quit due to the problems of low-income
families that you can’t base your ability to earn a living on things that
you have no control over.

 

CathyM

Catren's Shar Pei

Catren's Leather Show Accessories

November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion:
"...every "responsible breeder" is a "puppy miller", every "family farmer"
is a "factory farmer" and every "responsible hunter" is a "poacher"." 
This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals!  
Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals.  

Kill "The Killing Fields" Bills of the HSUS
www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com
<http://www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com/> 

 

 

From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
[mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:03 PM
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Check out "Unfunded Pensions Force Property Tax
Hikes" on Patriot Action Network

 

I'm actually in favor of those who have kids in the classroom footing the
bill, problem is their are more children coming from medium to low income
households then those who can afford to actually pay for the schooling. the
ultimate wealth redistribution scheme is education.

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:45 PM, CathyM  wrote:

Here is one analogy about teacher’s wages that is quite old:

“I’m fed up with teachers and their hefty salary schedules. What we need
here is a little perspective.

If I had my way, I’d pay these teachers myself-I’d pay them baby-sitting
wages. That’s right-I’d rather give them $3 an hour out of my own pocket
than pay my outrageous taxes.  I’m only going to pay them for five hours,
not lunch or coffee breaks. That would be $15.00 a day. Each parent should
pay $15 a day for these teachers to babysit their child. Even if they have
more than one child, it’s still a lot cheaper than private daycare.

Now, how many children do they teach every day-maybe 20?  That’s $15×20=$300
a day.  But remember they only work 180 days a year! I’m not going to pay
them for vacations! $300×180=$54,000. (Just a minute, I think my calculator
needs new batteries.)

I know you teachers will say-What about those who have  10 years experience
and a Master’s Degree? Well, maybe (to be fair) they could get the minimum
wage, and instead of just babysitting, they could read the kids a story. We
could round that off to about $5 an hour, times five hours, times 20
children. That’s $500 a day times 180 days. That’s $90,000….HUH?

Wait a minute, let’s get a little perspective here. Babysitting wages are
too good for these teachers. Has anyone seen a salary schedule around here?”

~Anonymous~

And here is ano