Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
Crossfade is now hosted on Savannah. Project page: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/crossfade/ Web page: http://www.nongnu.org/crossfade/ If you are interested in participating, please subscribe to the crossfade-devel mailing list. On 03/16/2015 12:08 AM, Be wrote: Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90 is a cross-platform digital DJ system for USB flash and portable hard drives. Crossfade GNU/Linux allows you to use a USB drive with your music collection to DJ on any modern PC (with an x86 or x86_64 CPU), including Apple Macs, using the DJ program Mixxx customized however you like. USB drives with Crossfade GNU/Linux installed on them show up in Windows, Mac OS X, and GNU/Linux as normal USB drives that music or any other data can be copied onto. Unlike ordinary USB drives, they can also be used to boot Crossfade GNU/Linux. After rebooting, the PC will be back to how it was before. See the manual included in the torrent for installations instructions. Get the torrent here: http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=054465878ca40308a585654d3859786dfd79f133f=crossfade-0.90.torrent Please seed the torrent! :) Crossfade GNU/Linux and Mixxx are free software--free as in artistic freedom, not just price. You are free and encouraged to use, copy, *share*, and modify this software however you wish and share your changes with the community here. Sharing Crossfade GNU/Linux can be a great way to encourage friends to start DJing or introduce DJs who use proprietary software such as Traktor, Serato Scratch, Serato Itch, or Virtual DJ to free software without having to commit to installing anything on their PC. Crossfade GNU/Linux is setup with a realtime Linux kernel for optimal performance. It includes the Xfce graphical desktop environment, Midori web browser, and Clementine music player. It has a number of other programs for live musical performance including the Hydrogen drum machine, SooperLooper and Giada loopers, Guitarix electric guitar amplifier, Rakarrak guitar effects board, Ardour digital audio workstation,Audacity wave editor, and many LV2 and LADSPA audio effects plugins. Additionally, Crossfade GNU/Linux includes utilities that make it useful as a computer rescue system, such as the GParted partition manager, GNU GRUB bootloader, TestDisk data recovery program, FSArchiver filesystem backup program, and MATE Disk Usage Analyzer. Crossfade GNU/Linux is a Fedora Remix containing software from sources other than Fedora, namely RPMFusion and PlanetCCRMA, as well as scripts and configuration specific to Crossfade GNU/Linux. To do: -Confirm that USB drives are readable by CDJs. I do not have CDJs so help would be appreciated! (DJ Pegasus also mentioned it should be readable by his car stereo... o.O) -A logo and desktop background. I have a sketch on paper for a logo. Now I need to learn how to use Inkscape. -Internationalization. Does anyone want to volunteer to translate the liveusb-install script and manual? I am thinking about ordering custom USB drives with the logo printed on them to sell with Crossfade preloaded. They would be either 16, 32, or 64 GB, depending on how much it would cost to make each of those. They would be metal cylinders with tight screw-on caps. The caps would be able to attach to key rings. I will try to get USB 3.0 drives if possible. I don't know what the price would be yet, but I am thinking somewhere from $10-25 USD. Would anyone be interested in buying that? How much would you be willing to pay for it? -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today http://mixxx.org Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today http://mixxx.org Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
I could be wrong, but it seems that the Traktor Kontrol S4 is the most popular of NI's controllers, so that would make the most sense to reverse engineer (first). I don't remember how it showed up on lsusb and dmesg. I may be able to borrow a friends' for a bit to get that basic info. The information on that bug report is based on playing with an S4 like a month or so ago when I was considering buying it cheap second-hand if I could use it with Mixxx on GNU/Linux. Nothing showed up when running Mixxx with --controllerDebug (or --midiDebug), so I don't think it's HID. It does work on Windows XP. On 03/19/2015 01:20 AM, Tuukka Pasanen wrote: Hello, Which native instrument pad is it? Traktor 4 I believe because of the bug report. Just curious how does that device map on Linux (any lsusb and dmesg)? Is it HID or just raw USB device (just wondering does it emit anything on Linux). I made some reverse engineering back in the days but it's long a go (but I still believe I can do it :D). I don't believe protocol is uber strange but they can be tricky to get first kick but after that they tend to drop on your lap fair easily. Does it still support Windows XP because there is easiest to sniff USBa and we could get on with just sniffed packets to see if it's reverse engineerable easily or is more difficult. Also Mac OS X can handle USB sniffing fair easily but you need to know little more about what you are doing. Thanks, Tuukka 2015-03-19 2:51 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stewart ronaldjstew...@gmail.com: Be Im glad you wrote back great timing. You can spend a few days making an indigogo fundraiser or you can throw in the vitals and let Titl make it for you the best thing is you can embed anywhere a lil frame size of your campaign on anything on the net. For your needs I strongly suggest trying this first and save time and scammers go with this product. Its exactly the same but easier less headaches. http://tilt.tc/love-rstewart9202 Also I forgot what RAWRR wrote about what is Be in the terms of great experience not just the product but not being a fraud ya know its really bad again like 1998 in Seattle internet was full of sammmers. He is DEAD ON with protecting the brand and yourself by being known as a guy who dreamed big and delivered and delivered over time. That part is super valuable cuz I'm sure RAWRR knows how many times he's seen good idea with tight eecution turn to mush. Remember you don't have to be everything to everyone, just the right thing for the right ones. God seed young Skywalker Ronald Stewart Indamixx On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Be b...@gmx.com wrote: I've been thinking I could turn the fundraising campaign into an opportunity to raise funds to donate hardware that doesn't currently work with Mixxx to a developer who will make Mixxx work with it. In particular, I am thinking of donating a Native Instruments controller that uses NHL to someone who wants to reverse-engineer their proprietary protocol. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1432442 Also, I'd like to offer each of the core Mixxx developers a gratis Crossfade USB drive. This is all contingent upon raising at least enough funds for me to break even on ordering the USB drives. That'll mean I'd need at least ~$1000 for an order of 50 drives. I don't have $1000 to spend on this, so if the Indiegogo campaign does not succeed, there will be no order and everyone who donated will be refunded. I'm also thinking about offering stereo-to-mono splitter cables as a cheaper perk for a few dollars. With the new Mixxx mono output support in 1.12, this could be really useful. (It's possible to reroute Mixxx's output with JACK to achieve mono output with 1.11, but I don't expect most DJs to be able to do that or care enough to figure it out.) On 03/17/2015 12:35 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Be, Thanks. Releasing the hash(es) on whatever devlist is associated with the project is clean protocol, and Gavin articulated the security aspect nicely. More on selling software: Proprietary paid product: must have comprehensive product support resources, all support is handled by the company. OSS paid product: same, but some of the product support can be provided by the users themselves if they have proper places to congregate and exchange info, in other words wikis, forums, devlists, bug trackers - and even then the ultimate responsibility for support has to be the responsibility of the company/seller. OSS unpaid product: same as the latter, but only as best practices because ultimately in this case no one really owes anyone anything ever. No matter what though, out-of-band hashes straight from whoever is building the software should be provided to the users for security reasons (which double as download integrity checks). This is why MD5 is deprecated, because in security terms, it can be broken. Gavin, If Be sold empty drives that wouldn't be ;) different
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
Hello, Which native instrument pad is it? Traktor 4 I believe because of the bug report. Just curious how does that device map on Linux (any lsusb and dmesg)? Is it HID or just raw USB device (just wondering does it emit anything on Linux). I made some reverse engineering back in the days but it's long a go (but I still believe I can do it :D). I don't believe protocol is uber strange but they can be tricky to get first kick but after that they tend to drop on your lap fair easily. Does it still support Windows XP because there is easiest to sniff USB and we could get on with just sniffed packets to see if it's reverse engineerable easily or is more difficult. Also Mac OS X can handle USB sniffing fair easily but you need to know little more about what you are doing. Thanks, Tuukka 2015-03-19 2:51 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stewart ronaldjstew...@gmail.com: Be Im glad you wrote back great timing. You can spend a few days making an indigogo fundraiser or you can throw in the vitals and let Titl make it for you the best thing is you can embed anywhere a lil frame size of your campaign on anything on the net. For your needs I strongly suggest trying this first and save time and scammers go with this product. Its exactly the same but easier less headaches. http://tilt.tc/love-rstewart9202 Also I forgot what RAWRR wrote about what is Be in the terms of great experience not just the product but not being a fraud ya know its really bad again like 1998 in Seattle internet was full of sammmers. He is DEAD ON with protecting the brand and yourself by being known as a guy who dreamed big and delivered and delivered over time. That part is super valuable cuz I'm sure RAWRR knows how many times he's seen good idea with tight eecution turn to mush. Remember you don't have to be everything to everyone, just the right thing for the right ones. God seed young Skywalker Ronald Stewart Indamixx On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Be b...@gmx.com wrote: I've been thinking I could turn the fundraising campaign into an opportunity to raise funds to donate hardware that doesn't currently work with Mixxx to a developer who will make Mixxx work with it. In particular, I am thinking of donating a Native Instruments controller that uses NHL to someone who wants to reverse-engineer their proprietary protocol. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1432442 Also, I'd like to offer each of the core Mixxx developers a gratis Crossfade USB drive. This is all contingent upon raising at least enough funds for me to break even on ordering the USB drives. That'll mean I'd need at least ~$1000 for an order of 50 drives. I don't have $1000 to spend on this, so if the Indiegogo campaign does not succeed, there will be no order and everyone who donated will be refunded. I'm also thinking about offering stereo-to-mono splitter cables as a cheaper perk for a few dollars. With the new Mixxx mono output support in 1.12, this could be really useful. (It's possible to reroute Mixxx's output with JACK to achieve mono output with 1.11, but I don't expect most DJs to be able to do that or care enough to figure it out.) On 03/17/2015 12:35 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Be, Thanks. Releasing the hash(es) on whatever devlist is associated with the project is clean protocol, and Gavin articulated the security aspect nicely. More on selling software: Proprietary paid product: must have comprehensive product support resources, all support is handled by the company. OSS paid product: same, but some of the product support can be provided by the users themselves if they have proper places to congregate and exchange info, in other words wikis, forums, devlists, bug trackers - and even then the ultimate responsibility for support has to be the responsibility of the company/seller. OSS unpaid product: same as the latter, but only as best practices because ultimately in this case no one really owes anyone anything ever. No matter what though, out-of-band hashes straight from whoever is building the software should be provided to the users for security reasons (which double as download integrity checks). This is why MD5 is deprecated, because in security terms, it can be broken. Gavin, If Be sold empty drives that wouldn't be ;) different enough than just installing them on your own to your own drive. ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:42:54 + Be b...@gmx.com wrote: SHA256 sums of every file in the torrent: 3986214070d1d0dca05b139506efe2e040341468cb5edd578027c7a23f86eb52 crossfade-0.90.iso a5080ec5dc682d0e0eccd029f1ead985829fff3b6f7924975e44f9f162718a45 crossfade-0.90.ks 9086b8019d17b66bdf77696cf5dfad08dceadb1667bd07fc83549a06e580df98 crossfade-boot 95f05b9cb49c9123b3074044fa2fa1df82c8d9ef4e0c3a16f7be32c8b773c0ba crossfade-manual.html e5135f57af4551bdd91456b56ead95e77075d6dbbe7859324c92ad30367ab452 crossfade-usb-install
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
Hello, Just wondering if CAIAQ steals those MIDI stuff from coming. Some more basic info needed to get this going. Tuukka 2015-03-19 8:31 GMT+02:00 Be b...@gmx.com: I could be wrong, but it seems that the Traktor Kontrol S4 is the most popular of NI's controllers, so that would make the most sense to reverse engineer (first). I don't remember how it showed up on lsusb and dmesg. I may be able to borrow a friends' for a bit to get that basic info. The information on that bug report is based on playing with an S4 like a month or so ago when I was considering buying it cheap second-hand if I could use it with Mixxx on GNU/Linux. Nothing showed up when running Mixxx with --controllerDebug (or --midiDebug), so I don't think it's HID. It does work on Windows XP. On 03/19/2015 01:20 AM, Tuukka Pasanen wrote: Hello, Which native instrument pad is it? Traktor 4 I believe because of the bug report. Just curious how does that device map on Linux (any lsusb and dmesg)? Is it HID or just raw USB device (just wondering does it emit anything on Linux). I made some reverse engineering back in the days but it's long a go (but I still believe I can do it :D). I don't believe protocol is uber strange but they can be tricky to get first kick but after that they tend to drop on your lap fair easily. Does it still support Windows XP because there is easiest to sniff USBa and we could get on with just sniffed packets to see if it's reverse engineerable easily or is more difficult. Also Mac OS X can handle USB sniffing fair easily but you need to know little more about what you are doing. Thanks, Tuukka 2015-03-19 2:51 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stewart ronaldjstew...@gmail.com: Be Im glad you wrote back great timing. You can spend a few days making an indigogo fundraiser or you can throw in the vitals and let Titl make it for you the best thing is you can embed anywhere a lil frame size of your campaign on anything on the net. For your needs I strongly suggest trying this first and save time and scammers go with this product. Its exactly the same but easier less headaches. http://tilt.tc/love-rstewart9202 Also I forgot what RAWRR wrote about what is Be in the terms of great experience not just the product but not being a fraud ya know its really bad again like 1998 in Seattle internet was full of sammmers. He is DEAD ON with protecting the brand and yourself by being known as a guy who dreamed big and delivered and delivered over time. That part is super valuable cuz I'm sure RAWRR knows how many times he's seen good idea with tight eecution turn to mush. Remember you don't have to be everything to everyone, just the right thing for the right ones. God seed young Skywalker Ronald Stewart Indamixx On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Be b...@gmx.com wrote: I've been thinking I could turn the fundraising campaign into an opportunity to raise funds to donate hardware that doesn't currently work with Mixxx to a developer who will make Mixxx work with it. In particular, I am thinking of donating a Native Instruments controller that uses NHL to someone who wants to reverse-engineer their proprietary protocol. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1432442 Also, I'd like to offer each of the core Mixxx developers a gratis Crossfade USB drive. This is all contingent upon raising at least enough funds for me to break even on ordering the USB drives. That'll mean I'd need at least ~$1000 for an order of 50 drives. I don't have $1000 to spend on this, so if the Indiegogo campaign does not succeed, there will be no order and everyone who donated will be refunded. I'm also thinking about offering stereo-to-mono splitter cables as a cheaper perk for a few dollars. With the new Mixxx mono output support in 1.12, this could be really useful. (It's possible to reroute Mixxx's output with JACK to achieve mono output with 1.11, but I don't expect most DJs to be able to do that or care enough to figure it out.) On 03/17/2015 12:35 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Be, Thanks. Releasing the hash(es) on whatever devlist is associated with the project is clean protocol, and Gavin articulated the security aspect nicely. More on selling software: Proprietary paid product: must have comprehensive product support resources, all support is handled by the company. OSS paid product: same, but some of the product support can be provided by the users themselves if they have proper places to congregate and exchange info, in other words wikis, forums, devlists, bug trackers - and even then the ultimate responsibility for support has to be the responsibility of the company/seller. OSS unpaid product: same as the latter, but only as best practices because ultimately in this case no one really owes anyone anything ever. No matter what though, out-of-band hashes straight from whoever is building the software should be provided to the users for security reasons (which double
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
It seems the controllers don't send MIDI signals, which is why their protocol would need to be reverse-engineered. If they used MIDI, it'd be simple to make a mapping like any other MIDI controller. On 03/19/2015 03:48 AM, Tuukka Pasanen wrote: Hello, Just wondering if CAIAQ steals those MIDI stuff from coming. Some more basic info needed to get this going. Tuukka 2015-03-19 8:31 GMT+02:00 Be b...@gmx.com: I could be wrong, but it seems that the Traktor Kontrol S4 is the most popular of NI's controllers, so that would make the most sense to reverse engineer (first). I don't remember how it showed up on lsusb and dmesg. I may be able to borrow a friends' for a bit to get that basic info. The information on that bug report is based on playing with an S4 like a month or so ago when I was considering buying it cheap second-hand if I could use it with Mixxx on GNU/Linux. Nothing showed up when running Mixxx with --controllerDebug (or --midiDebug), so I don't think it's HID. It does work on Windows XP. On 03/19/2015 01:20 AM, Tuukka Pasanen wrote: Hello, Which native instrument pad is it? Traktor 4 I believe because of the bug report. Just curious how does that device map on Linux (any lsusb and dmesg)? Is it HID or just raw USB device (just wondering does it emit anything on Linux). I made some reverse engineering back in the days but it's long a go (but I still believe I can do it :D). I don't believe protocol is uber strange but they can be tricky to get first kick but after that they tend to drop on your lap fair easily. Does it still support Windows XP because there is easiest to sniff USBa and we could get on with just sniffed packets to see if it's reverse engineerable easily or is more difficult. Also Mac OS X can handle USB sniffing fair easily but you need to know little more about what you are doing. Thanks, Tuukka 2015-03-19 2:51 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stewart ronaldjstew...@gmail.com: Be Im glad you wrote back great timing. You can spend a few days making an indigogo fundraiser or you can throw in the vitals and let Titl make it for you the best thing is you can embed anywhere a lil frame size of your campaign on anything on the net. For your needs I strongly suggest trying this first and save time and scammers go with this product. Its exactly the same but easier less headaches. http://tilt.tc/love-rstewart9202 Also I forgot what RAWRR wrote about what is Be in the terms of great experience not just the product but not being a fraud ya know its really bad again like 1998 in Seattle internet was full of sammmers. He is DEAD ON with protecting the brand and yourself by being known as a guy who dreamed big and delivered and delivered over time. That part is super valuable cuz I'm sure RAWRR knows how many times he's seen good idea with tight eecution turn to mush. Remember you don't have to be everything to everyone, just the right thing for the right ones. God seed young Skywalker Ronald Stewart Indamixx On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Be b...@gmx.com wrote: I've been thinking I could turn the fundraising campaign into an opportunity to raise funds to donate hardware that doesn't currently work with Mixxx to a developer who will make Mixxx work with it. In particular, I am thinking of donating a Native Instruments controller that uses NHL to someone who wants to reverse-engineer their proprietary protocol. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1432442 Also, I'd like to offer each of the core Mixxx developers a gratis Crossfade USB drive. This is all contingent upon raising at least enough funds for me to break even on ordering the USB drives. That'll mean I'd need at least ~$1000 for an order of 50 drives. I don't have $1000 to spend on this, so if the Indiegogo campaign does not succeed, there will be no order and everyone who donated will be refunded. I'm also thinking about offering stereo-to-mono splitter cables as a cheaper perk for a few dollars. With the new Mixxx mono output support in 1.12, this could be really useful. (It's possible to reroute Mixxx's output with JACK to achieve mono output with 1.11, but I don't expect most DJs to be able to do that or care enough to figure it out.) On 03/17/2015 12:35 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Be, Thanks. Releasing the hash(es) on whatever devlist is associated with the project is clean protocol, and Gavin articulated the security aspect nicely. More on selling software: Proprietary paid product: must have comprehensive product support resources, all support is handled by the company. OSS paid product: same, but some of the product support can be provided by the users themselves if they have proper places to congregate and exchange info, in other words wikis, forums, devlists, bug trackers - and even then the ultimate responsibility for support has to be the responsibility of the company/seller. OSS unpaid product: same as the latter, but
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
I've been thinking I could turn the fundraising campaign into an opportunity to raise funds to donate hardware that doesn't currently work with Mixxx to a developer who will make Mixxx work with it. In particular, I am thinking of donating a Native Instruments controller that uses NHL to someone who wants to reverse-engineer their proprietary protocol. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1432442 Also, I'd like to offer each of the core Mixxx developers a gratis Crossfade USB drive. This is all contingent upon raising at least enough funds for me to break even on ordering the USB drives. That'll mean I'd need at least ~$1000 for an order of 50 drives. I don't have $1000 to spend on this, so if the Indiegogo campaign does not succeed, there will be no order and everyone who donated will be refunded. I'm also thinking about offering stereo-to-mono splitter cables as a cheaper perk for a few dollars. With the new Mixxx mono output support in 1.12, this could be really useful. (It's possible to reroute Mixxx's output with JACK to achieve mono output with 1.11, but I don't expect most DJs to be able to do that or care enough to figure it out.) On 03/17/2015 12:35 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Be, Thanks. Releasing the hash(es) on whatever devlist is associated with the project is clean protocol, and Gavin articulated the security aspect nicely. More on selling software: Proprietary paid product: must have comprehensive product support resources, all support is handled by the company. OSS paid product: same, but some of the product support can be provided by the users themselves if they have proper places to congregate and exchange info, in other words wikis, forums, devlists, bug trackers - and even then the ultimate responsibility for support has to be the responsibility of the company/seller. OSS unpaid product: same as the latter, but only as best practices because ultimately in this case no one really owes anyone anything ever. No matter what though, out-of-band hashes straight from whoever is building the software should be provided to the users for security reasons (which double as download integrity checks). This is why MD5 is deprecated, because in security terms, it can be broken. Gavin, If Be sold empty drives that wouldn't be ;) different enough than just installing them on your own to your own drive. ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:42:54 + Be b...@gmx.com wrote: SHA256 sums of every file in the torrent: 3986214070d1d0dca05b139506efe2e040341468cb5edd578027c7a23f86eb52 crossfade-0.90.iso a5080ec5dc682d0e0eccd029f1ead985829fff3b6f7924975e44f9f162718a45 crossfade-0.90.ks 9086b8019d17b66bdf77696cf5dfad08dceadb1667bd07fc83549a06e580df98 crossfade-boot 95f05b9cb49c9123b3074044fa2fa1df82c8d9ef4e0c3a16f7be32c8b773c0ba crossfade-manual.html e5135f57af4551bdd91456b56ead95e77075d6dbbe7859324c92ad30367ab452 crossfade-usb-install 8ceb4b9ee5adedde47b31e975c1d90c73ad27b6b165a1dcd80c7c545eb65b903 license a4cecac3570f8a6c7eaccea0dcbeace1c9fd55b2fa05539149de6c91fd7e5ad8 license.html On 03/16/2015 11:22 AM, Gavin Swanson wrote: EDIT: The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what you've said you published is what got downloaded. So if I see the hash on the email list and download it from a torrent or something I can verify that the torrent download matches your release announcement, and not just that I have a uncorrupted hacked download or something. Gavin S On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Gavin Swanson gavinswan...@gmail.com mailto:gavinswan...@gmail.com wrote: The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what you've said you published. On the topic of selling a few branded flash drives I understand that some people would expect support, but if you make it clear that you're just selling the branded drive and not the distro or support for the distro you should be fine. Maybe sell the drive blank and make people load it themselves that removes you from being responsible for the content of the drive. Gavin S On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Be b...@gmx.com mailto:b...@gmx.com wrote: Regarding source code: I accidentally included it all in the torrent this time. I meant to only put the ISO image, installer script, license, and manual in the torrent and leave out the Kickstart file and boot script. All of that (minus the ISO image) is in the filesystem at /usr/share/crossfade as explained in the manual section entitled Modification. SHA1 sum of the ISO image: 27b172a6ec78a8dd308863db3a2f9fea08430171 On 03/16/2015 07:41 AM, Be wrote: The livecd-creator tool I use the build the
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
Be Im glad you wrote back great timing. You can spend a few days making an indigogo fundraiser or you can throw in the vitals and let Titl make it for you the best thing is you can embed anywhere a lil frame size of your campaign on anything on the net. For your needs I strongly suggest trying this first and save time and scammers go with this product. Its exactly the same but easier less headaches. http://tilt.tc/love-rstewart9202 Also I forgot what RAWRR wrote about what is Be in the terms of great experience not just the product but not being a fraud ya know its really bad again like 1998 in Seattle internet was full of sammmers. He is DEAD ON with protecting the brand and yourself by being known as a guy who dreamed big and delivered and delivered over time. That part is super valuable cuz I'm sure RAWRR knows how many times he's seen good idea with tight eecution turn to mush. Remember you don't have to be everything to everyone, just the right thing for the right ones. God seed young Skywalker Ronald Stewart Indamixx On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Be b...@gmx.com wrote: I've been thinking I could turn the fundraising campaign into an opportunity to raise funds to donate hardware that doesn't currently work with Mixxx to a developer who will make Mixxx work with it. In particular, I am thinking of donating a Native Instruments controller that uses NHL to someone who wants to reverse-engineer their proprietary protocol. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1432442 Also, I'd like to offer each of the core Mixxx developers a gratis Crossfade USB drive. This is all contingent upon raising at least enough funds for me to break even on ordering the USB drives. That'll mean I'd need at least ~$1000 for an order of 50 drives. I don't have $1000 to spend on this, so if the Indiegogo campaign does not succeed, there will be no order and everyone who donated will be refunded. I'm also thinking about offering stereo-to-mono splitter cables as a cheaper perk for a few dollars. With the new Mixxx mono output support in 1.12, this could be really useful. (It's possible to reroute Mixxx's output with JACK to achieve mono output with 1.11, but I don't expect most DJs to be able to do that or care enough to figure it out.) On 03/17/2015 12:35 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Be, Thanks. Releasing the hash(es) on whatever devlist is associated with the project is clean protocol, and Gavin articulated the security aspect nicely. More on selling software: Proprietary paid product: must have comprehensive product support resources, all support is handled by the company. OSS paid product: same, but some of the product support can be provided by the users themselves if they have proper places to congregate and exchange info, in other words wikis, forums, devlists, bug trackers - and even then the ultimate responsibility for support has to be the responsibility of the company/seller. OSS unpaid product: same as the latter, but only as best practices because ultimately in this case no one really owes anyone anything ever. No matter what though, out-of-band hashes straight from whoever is building the software should be provided to the users for security reasons (which double as download integrity checks). This is why MD5 is deprecated, because in security terms, it can be broken. Gavin, If Be sold empty drives that wouldn't be ;) different enough than just installing them on your own to your own drive. ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:42:54 + Be b...@gmx.com wrote: SHA256 sums of every file in the torrent: 3986214070d1d0dca05b139506efe2e040341468cb5edd578027c7a23f86eb52 crossfade-0.90.iso a5080ec5dc682d0e0eccd029f1ead985829fff3b6f7924975e44f9f162718a45 crossfade-0.90.ks 9086b8019d17b66bdf77696cf5dfad08dceadb1667bd07fc83549a06e580df98 crossfade-boot 95f05b9cb49c9123b3074044fa2fa1df82c8d9ef4e0c3a16f7be32c8b773c0ba crossfade-manual.html e5135f57af4551bdd91456b56ead95e77075d6dbbe7859324c92ad30367ab452 crossfade-usb-install 8ceb4b9ee5adedde47b31e975c1d90c73ad27b6b165a1dcd80c7c545eb65b903 license a4cecac3570f8a6c7eaccea0dcbeace1c9fd55b2fa05539149de6c91fd7e5ad8 license.html On 03/16/2015 11:22 AM, Gavin Swanson wrote: EDIT: The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what you've said you published is what got downloaded. So if I see the hash on the email list and download it from a torrent or something I can verify that the torrent download matches your release announcement, and not just that I have a uncorrupted hacked download or something. Gavin S On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Gavin Swanson gavinswan...@gmail.com mailto:gavinswan...@gmail.com wrote: The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
thats not entire true thats pretty boiler plate gnu/linux 101 or 102 answers. Anyone dabbling in this should know before they roll a version. As far as what source gets posted is correct for 2.0 and 3.0 but only the open parts. This entire debate hinges on the chicken or egg story. Chicken if you're all linux for free and have a dream. Egg if you're smart and utilize Linux properly to catapult you to a real money making business. Examples Apple Google ___ as always Linux whored out by the big boys and no one says shit. But when the small guys do the same thing some Linux for free aint ever gunna pay for anything weenies talks 2.0 and 3.0 Amazon Intel Samsung Ive worked for all of them RED HAT JESUS CHRIST! all whore linux out and the small fris don't say anything. The Be project we did that in 2009 a bootable stick running on any box??? Thats been done by Indamixx Labs. Not that great no one cared Ive spent over 350K on Linux alone. I know Paul Davis put his money his mouth is. Other than that anyone who spends over 100K on Linux small time guys feel free to chime in and put your name right here Paul Davis (thanks Paul, I thank Paul very day and any way I can help just like I help helped and try to help Mixxx) Ronald Stewart ? ? ? ? ? If you're a big company Shuttleworth don't enter your name. Im all ears and eyes. I can tell you for a fact patent pending part of our product in no way is going to be exposed. Steve Jobs alone has ripped off Linux while making a fortune for Apple. You cannot even search my patent pending at USPTO because if you're skilled in the art you can burry like arc of the covenant inside the Bohemoth Monolith called the US Govt. Besides Qtopia was bought by h Nokia who MS bought I think or some big guy cuz you can take linux wrap it in QT and BAM its yours.. theres a free 100K lesson. I applaud the Be guy for trying and doing its kinda late and nothing new especially why would someone buy a stick to run on their current machine when machines are OVER right now not sure? Yeah well in 2005 I got laughed out the building when I debuted a mobile audio tablet yeah HAHA. I live 10 years in the future. We have a stick and box that is the computer running Mixxx full wireless and motion control... for $99 GAME OVER. Next Move on... We have.. you should too X86 whats that mom? Well son in the early 2000's people bought computers with X86 processors. This debate is so stale it kils me to see this year after year. Linux doesn't move the ball up the field the big boys get rich and them small drys bitch. Thats whats really going on for 10 years. We're running ARM and less no one cares about this old stale debate. You don't midi controllers unless its the orbit. For 149.00 plus headphones you have a complete dj solution. Add two bringer uca222 and you have Rane SL for 50.00 more bucks. Who is gunna spend a grand on DJing system when they can spend 200.00 or less. This conversation is over. From Ron in the year 3000 the guy who got samsung to feature Mixxx in a commercial in 2008 who won Remix most innovative product 2009, Who build the first pro daw tablet 2005 Who rolled out the first pro tools tablet. Got MSI to produce and dist. branded Laptops and Netbooks for no charge 2010. Got Linux audio computers at retail in USA Guitar Center 2009. 2010 and whose bout to drop Indamixx Raspian Remixed on fully mind melting optimized PI2 by the time everyone wakes up around the globe. 2015 Hey Be guy I sent you the all the info for your stick thanks for the thanks... nice... What you need to do is invest in AIR cuz here in the future its hard to get. Kayne knows he just sold his for 60K http://www.inquisitr.com/1907215/kanye-west-yeezus-tour-air-for-sale-bag-of-air-from-kanye-west-concert-sells-for-staggering-60k-on-ebay-photo/ -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today http://mixxx.org Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
support as proposed is ridiculous. and bugs? we finished this 2 years ago and quietly work out the kinks like a real entries class solution. I bought the Google Chromecast. What a world class turd. Every guy on that team at google should be fired. Its buggy like MS product and it sucks. You think Google cares about support? I guarantee they don't the Frys by my house sell s 100 units a week. A full blown TURD I rest my case your honor. Ronald Stewart On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:48 AM, Ronald Stewart ronaldjstew...@gmail.com wrote: thats not entire true thats pretty boiler plate gnu/linux 101 or 102 answers. Anyone dabbling in this should know before they roll a version. As far as what source gets posted is correct for 2.0 and 3.0 but only the open parts. This entire debate hinges on the chicken or egg story. Chicken if you're all linux for free and have a dream. Egg if you're smart and utilize Linux properly to catapult you to a real money making business. Examples Apple Google ___ as always Linux whored out by the big boys and no one says shit. But when the small guys do the same thing some Linux for free aint ever gunna pay for anything weenies talks 2.0 and 3.0 Amazon Intel Samsung Ive worked for all of them RED HAT JESUS CHRIST! all whore linux out and the small fris don't say anything. The Be project we did that in 2009 a bootable stick running on any box??? Thats been done by Indamixx Labs. Not that great no one cared Ive spent over 350K on Linux alone. I know Paul Davis put his money his mouth is. Other than that anyone who spends over 100K on Linux small time guys feel free to chime in and put your name right here Paul Davis (thanks Paul, I thank Paul very day and any way I can help just like I help helped and try to help Mixxx) Ronald Stewart ? ? ? ? ? If you're a big company Shuttleworth don't enter your name. Im all ears and eyes. I can tell you for a fact patent pending part of our product in no way is going to be exposed. Steve Jobs alone has ripped off Linux while making a fortune for Apple. You cannot even search my patent pending at USPTO because if you're skilled in the art you can burry like arc of the covenant inside the Bohemoth Monolith called the US Govt. Besides Qtopia was bought by h Nokia who MS bought I think or some big guy cuz you can take linux wrap it in QT and BAM its yours.. theres a free 100K lesson. I applaud the Be guy for trying and doing its kinda late and nothing new especially why would someone buy a stick to run on their current machine when machines are OVER right now not sure? Yeah well in 2005 I got laughed out the building when I debuted a mobile audio tablet yeah HAHA. I live 10 years in the future. We have a stick and box that is the computer running Mixxx full wireless and motion control... for $99 GAME OVER. Next Move on... We have.. you should too X86 whats that mom? Well son in the early 2000's people bought computers with X86 processors. This debate is so stale it kils me to see this year after year. Linux doesn't move the ball up the field the big boys get rich and them small drys bitch. Thats whats really going on for 10 years. We're running ARM and less no one cares about this old stale debate. You don't midi controllers unless its the orbit. For 149.00 plus headphones you have a complete dj solution. Add two bringer uca222 and you have Rane SL for 50.00 more bucks. Who is gunna spend a grand on DJing system when they can spend 200.00 or less. This conversation is over. From Ron in the year 3000 the guy who got samsung to feature Mixxx in a commercial in 2008 who won Remix most innovative product 2009, Who build the first pro daw tablet 2005 Who rolled out the first pro tools tablet. Got MSI to produce and dist. branded Laptops and Netbooks for no charge 2010. Got Linux audio computers at retail in USA Guitar Center 2009. 2010 and whose bout to drop Indamixx Raspian Remixed on fully mind melting optimized PI2 by the time everyone wakes up around the globe. 2015 Hey Be guy I sent you the all the info for your stick thanks for the thanks... nice... What you need to do is invest in AIR cuz here in the future its hard to get. Kayne knows he just sold his for 60K http://www.inquisitr.com/1907215/kanye-west-yeezus-tour-air-for-sale-bag-of-air-from-kanye-west-concert-sells-for-staggering-60k-on-ebay-photo/ -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
Please let me know what you think of Crossfade! :) Have you run into any bugs? Are there any programs missing that you think should be included? Ron, I think you're missing the point of this project. I am not doing this to make a lot of money. I am doing this to share my love of free software and music, make free software accessible to people who are not familiar with it, and make it easier for people to share music. If I come away with a few hundred dollars in profit or just break even I'd be happy. If this somehow leads to more financial opportunities for me in the future, that would be awesome but I'm not counting on it. Crossfade GNU/Linux came first; the idea to order custom USB drives came afterwards as a way of sharing it. I think I'll do an Indiegogo campaign to fundraise for that. I'd need 50 people to pledge $25 for discounted a discounted USB drive to break even. If I can't raise that much, then backers' money will be refunded, I won't be charged, and no one will lose anything. I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars. A big part of my intention with getting these USB drives is to give them to DJs at Burning Man this year. I wouldn't rely on a generic USB flash drive in the middle of the desert and I don't want to risk my portable hard drive either. Most USB drives either have a little metal covering that swings around and doesn't cover the sides or they have caps that are really easy to lose. Neither of those are going to keep out dust. It's not very easy to find USB drives that have a cap that isn't super easy to lose. It's even harder to find high-capacity drives like that and nearly impossible to find high-capacity USB 3.0 drives like that. As far as I can tell, I have found the only company online that can make 32 GB USB 3.0 drives with a secure cap and the only way to get them is with a bulk purchase. Also, these drives will be able to easily attach to a key ring so they'd be more difficult to lose and DJs could easily take them everywhere. Why would someone buy one of these drives to run on their own computer? Well, that's not the point. The point is that DJs can use Crossfade GNU/Linux on anyone's computer with software set up however they want to DJ the music that they are familiar with. Not only that, but the USB drive can still be used as a normal USB drive to share music, store work/school documents, or store any arbitrary data. This is not possible with proprietary software, and that makes Crossfade a good way to explain to people what free software is and why it matters. If DJs order one of these custom drives, they'll have a durable, high capacity, high speed drive that can do all of that for $30, which is around the average price for a 32 GB USB 3.0 drive. x86 laptops are ubiquitous. It's hard to get by in contemporary US society without one. ARM tablets and smart phones are changing that, but I don't foresee x86 laptops not being ubiquitous any time soon, especially anywhere there are DJs. If you really want to bring Mixxx into the future, make a touch screen interface for it and port Mixxx to Android. Tablets really have the potential to combine computation and controls on one portable, lightweight device. If you could make Mixxx intuitive to use with a touch screen, I think you'd be able to sell specialized DJ tablets with an integrated high quality sound card and high capacity solid state drive. I'd consider buying one if it was reasonably priced. It's great to hear that you're working on a Raspberry Pi distro for Mixxx! Someone just asked me about that last night when I was explaining Crossfade to him. Is the Raspberry Pi 2 powerful enough to do software mixing or is it only practically usable with an external mixer? It seems to me that no one has a problem with GNU/Linux being used by big companies because of copyleft. I think copyleft is why Linux is thriving, running on more devices (numerically and in terms of different kinds of devices) than any other soft ware, whereas BSD is only an obscure nerd thing. No company, big or small, can steal copylefted software from the public. Everyone benefits from all published improvements. I think it's great that big companies pay people to work on GNU/Linux full-time and we can all benefit from their work. Regarding support, I don't think I'm under any obligation to support the software. Of course, I'll do my best to help people with Crossfade, but it's not like I'm selling dedicated support like RedHat. I'll sell hardware that conveniently comes with software made to work well with it and offer exchanges/refunds if the hardware doesn't work. If the software doesn't work for someone, then they'll still have a nice USB drive. Please don't use misogynistic language on this list. I don't want this to be an unwelcoming space for women. DJing culture already has way too much of that. The Mixxx community has been really welcoming and I'd like to see it stay that way. On 03/17/2015 04:48 AM, Ronald Stewart wrote: thats
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
The livecd-creator tool I use the build the ISO image automatically uses implantmd5sum. If you have checkisomd5 installed, the installer script automatically checks the integrity of the ISO before installing. I didn't realize till now that checkisomd5 is a Fedora-specific program. The md5sum of the ISO is: d0188585047a26cb322b424838857e7c . However, any BitTorrent client should verify the integrity of the download automatically. Regarding wiki, forums, and homepage stuff, I just applied for hosting on Savannah. Yeah, I agree that I don't want to sell anything with Crossfade on it until it gets more widely tested. Thanks for raising the questions about support. I'll have to think about that. On 03/16/2015 05:42 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi Be! Progress is cool! I think selling them should be held off until they've been out in the field awhile and there is a chance for bug reports and stuff. Also, with cost comes an obligation toward product support, are you ready for that? Does Crossfade have its own wiki, forums, homepage? Those are other things for consideration in creating Crossfade as a product. It seems like product support will be the biggest challenge. Also the source should be up somewhere for users to poke at (and file the inevitable bug reports). The container sounds cool. Who makes it? Also, very important when publishing these things to a mailing list (not to mention eventually your website) - HASHES. Out of band verification is good stuff. I request at least sha1, I prefer sha256. MD5 is deprecated and should not be used. Yay for getting the .iso out! I'm gonna wait for you to publish the hash here before I download though, ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 05:09:18 + Be b...@gmx.com wrote: Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90 is a cross-platform digital DJ system for USB flash and portable hard drives. Crossfade GNU/Linux allows you to use a USB drive with your music collection to DJ on any modern PC (with an x86 or x86_64 CPU), including Apple Macs, using the DJ program Mixxx customized however you like. USB drives with Crossfade GNU/Linux installed on them show up in Windows, Mac OS X, and GNU/Linux as normal USB drives that music or any other data can be copied onto. Unlike ordinary USB drives, they can also be used to boot Crossfade GNU/Linux. After rebooting, the PC will be back to how it was before. See the manual included in the torrent for installations instructions. Get the torrent here: http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=054465878ca40308a585654d385 9786dfd79f133f=crossfade-0.90.torrent Please seed the torrent! :) Crossfade GNU/Linux and Mixxx are free software--free as in artistic freedom, not just price. You are free and encouraged to use, copy, *share*, and modify this software however you wish and share your changes with the community here. Sharing Crossfade GNU/Linux can be a great way to encourage friends to start DJing or introduce DJs who use proprietary software such as Traktor, Serato Scratch, Serato Itch, or Virtual DJ to free software without having to commit to installing anything on their PC. Crossfade GNU/Linux is setup with a realtime Linux kernel for optimal performance. It includes the Xfce graphical desktop environment, Midori web browser, and Clementine music player. It has a number of other programs for live musical performance including the Hydrogen drum machine, SooperLooper and Giada loopers, Guitarix electric guitar amplifier, Rakarrak guitar effects board, Ardour digital audio workstation,Audacity wave editor, and many LV2 and LADSPA audio effects plugins. Additionally, Crossfade GNU/Linux includes utilities that make it useful as a computer rescue system, such as the GParted partition manager, GNU GRUB bootloader, TestDisk data recovery program, FSArchiver filesystem backup program, and MATE Disk Usage Analyzer. Crossfade GNU/Linux is a Fedora Remix containing software from sources other than Fedora, namely RPMFusion and PlanetCCRMA, as well as scripts and configuration specific to Crossfade GNU/Linux. To do: -Confirm that USB drives are readable by CDJs. I do not have CDJs so help would be appreciated! (DJ Pegasus also mentioned it should be readable by his car stereo... o.O) -A logo and desktop background. I have a sketch on paper for a logo. Now I need to learn how to use Inkscape. -Internationalization. Does anyone want to volunteer to translate the liveusb-install script and manual? I am thinking about ordering custom USB drives with the logo printed on them to sell with Crossfade preloaded. They would be either 16, 32, or 64 GB, depending on how much it would cost to make each of those. They would be metal cylinders with tight screw-on caps. The caps would be able to attach to key rings. I will try to get USB 3.0 drives if possible. I don't know what the price would be yet, but
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Be! Progress is cool! I think selling them should be held off until they've been out in the field awhile and there is a chance for bug reports and stuff. Also, with cost comes an obligation toward product support, are you ready for that? Does Crossfade have its own wiki, forums, homepage? Those are other things for consideration in creating Crossfade as a product. It seems like product support will be the biggest challenge. Also the source should be up somewhere for users to poke at (and file the inevitable bug reports). The container sounds cool. Who makes it? Also, very important when publishing these things to a mailing list (not to mention eventually your website) - HASHES. Out of band verification is good stuff. I request at least sha1, I prefer sha256. MD5 is deprecated and should not be used. Yay for getting the .iso out! I'm gonna wait for you to publish the hash here before I download though, ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 05:09:18 + Be b...@gmx.com wrote: Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90 is a cross-platform digital DJ system for USB flash and portable hard drives. Crossfade GNU/Linux allows you to use a USB drive with your music collection to DJ on any modern PC (with an x86 or x86_64 CPU), including Apple Macs, using the DJ program Mixxx customized however you like. USB drives with Crossfade GNU/Linux installed on them show up in Windows, Mac OS X, and GNU/Linux as normal USB drives that music or any other data can be copied onto. Unlike ordinary USB drives, they can also be used to boot Crossfade GNU/Linux. After rebooting, the PC will be back to how it was before. See the manual included in the torrent for installations instructions. Get the torrent here: http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=054465878ca40308a585654d385 9786dfd79f133f=crossfade-0.90.torrent Please seed the torrent! :) Crossfade GNU/Linux and Mixxx are free software--free as in artistic freedom, not just price. You are free and encouraged to use, copy, *share*, and modify this software however you wish and share your changes with the community here. Sharing Crossfade GNU/Linux can be a great way to encourage friends to start DJing or introduce DJs who use proprietary software such as Traktor, Serato Scratch, Serato Itch, or Virtual DJ to free software without having to commit to installing anything on their PC. Crossfade GNU/Linux is setup with a realtime Linux kernel for optimal performance. It includes the Xfce graphical desktop environment, Midori web browser, and Clementine music player. It has a number of other programs for live musical performance including the Hydrogen drum machine, SooperLooper and Giada loopers, Guitarix electric guitar amplifier, Rakarrak guitar effects board, Ardour digital audio workstation,Audacity wave editor, and many LV2 and LADSPA audio effects plugins. Additionally, Crossfade GNU/Linux includes utilities that make it useful as a computer rescue system, such as the GParted partition manager, GNU GRUB bootloader, TestDisk data recovery program, FSArchiver filesystem backup program, and MATE Disk Usage Analyzer. Crossfade GNU/Linux is a Fedora Remix containing software from sources other than Fedora, namely RPMFusion and PlanetCCRMA, as well as scripts and configuration specific to Crossfade GNU/Linux. To do: -Confirm that USB drives are readable by CDJs. I do not have CDJs so help would be appreciated! (DJ Pegasus also mentioned it should be readable by his car stereo... o.O) -A logo and desktop background. I have a sketch on paper for a logo. Now I need to learn how to use Inkscape. -Internationalization. Does anyone want to volunteer to translate the liveusb-install script and manual? I am thinking about ordering custom USB drives with the logo printed on them to sell with Crossfade preloaded. They would be either 16, 32, or 64 GB, depending on how much it would cost to make each of those. They would be metal cylinders with tight screw-on caps. The caps would be able to attach to key rings. I will try to get USB 3.0 drives if possible. I don't know what the price would be yet, but I am thinking somewhere from $10-25 USD. Would anyone be interested in buying that? How much would you be willing to pay for it? --- --- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today http://mixxx.org Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what you've said you published. On the topic of selling a few branded flash drives I understand that some people would expect support, but if you make it clear that you're just selling the branded drive and not the distro or support for the distro you should be fine. Maybe sell the drive blank and make people load it themselves that removes you from being responsible for the content of the drive. Gavin S On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Be b...@gmx.com wrote: Regarding source code: I accidentally included it all in the torrent this time. I meant to only put the ISO image, installer script, license, and manual in the torrent and leave out the Kickstart file and boot script. All of that (minus the ISO image) is in the filesystem at /usr/share/crossfade as explained in the manual section entitled Modification. SHA1 sum of the ISO image: 27b172a6ec78a8dd308863db3a2f9fea08430171 On 03/16/2015 07:41 AM, Be wrote: The livecd-creator tool I use the build the ISO image automatically uses implantmd5sum. If you have checkisomd5 installed, the installer script automatically checks the integrity of the ISO before installing. I didn't realize till now that checkisomd5 is a Fedora-specific program. The md5sum of the ISO is: d0188585047a26cb322b424838857e7c . However, any BitTorrent client should verify the integrity of the download automatically. Regarding wiki, forums, and homepage stuff, I just applied for hosting on Savannah. Yeah, I agree that I don't want to sell anything with Crossfade on it until it gets more widely tested. Thanks for raising the questions about support. I'll have to think about that. On 03/16/2015 05:42 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi Be! Progress is cool! I think selling them should be held off until they've been out in the field awhile and there is a chance for bug reports and stuff. Also, with cost comes an obligation toward product support, are you ready for that? Does Crossfade have its own wiki, forums, homepage? Those are other things for consideration in creating Crossfade as a product. It seems like product support will be the biggest challenge. Also the source should be up somewhere for users to poke at (and file the inevitable bug reports). The container sounds cool. Who makes it? Also, very important when publishing these things to a mailing list (not to mention eventually your website) - HASHES. Out of band verification is good stuff. I request at least sha1, I prefer sha256. MD5 is deprecated and should not be used. Yay for getting the .iso out! I'm gonna wait for you to publish the hash here before I download though, ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 05:09:18 + Be b...@gmx.com wrote: Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90 is a cross-platform digital DJ system for USB flash and portable hard drives. Crossfade GNU/Linux allows you to use a USB drive with your music collection to DJ on any modern PC (with an x86 or x86_64 CPU), including Apple Macs, using the DJ program Mixxx customized however you like. USB drives with Crossfade GNU/Linux installed on them show up in Windows, Mac OS X, and GNU/Linux as normal USB drives that music or any other data can be copied onto. Unlike ordinary USB drives, they can also be used to boot Crossfade GNU/Linux. After rebooting, the PC will be back to how it was before. See the manual included in the torrent for installations instructions. Get the torrent here: http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=054465878ca40308a585654d385 9786dfd79f133f=crossfade-0.90.torrent Please seed the torrent! :) Crossfade GNU/Linux and Mixxx are free software--free as in artistic freedom, not just price. You are free and encouraged to use, copy, *share*, and modify this software however you wish and share your changes with the community here. Sharing Crossfade GNU/Linux can be a great way to encourage friends to start DJing or introduce DJs who use proprietary software such as Traktor, Serato Scratch, Serato Itch, or Virtual DJ to free software without having to commit to installing anything on their PC. Crossfade GNU/Linux is setup with a realtime Linux kernel for optimal performance. It includes the Xfce graphical desktop environment, Midori web browser, and Clementine music player. It has a number of other programs for live musical performance including the Hydrogen drum machine, SooperLooper and Giada loopers, Guitarix electric guitar amplifier, Rakarrak guitar effects board, Ardour digital audio workstation,Audacity wave editor, and many LV2 and LADSPA audio effects plugins. Additionally, Crossfade GNU/Linux includes utilities that make it useful as a computer rescue system, such as the GParted partition manager, GNU GRUB bootloader, TestDisk data recovery program, FSArchiver filesystem backup
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
SHA256 sums of every file in the torrent: 3986214070d1d0dca05b139506efe2e040341468cb5edd578027c7a23f86eb52 crossfade-0.90.iso a5080ec5dc682d0e0eccd029f1ead985829fff3b6f7924975e44f9f162718a45 crossfade-0.90.ks 9086b8019d17b66bdf77696cf5dfad08dceadb1667bd07fc83549a06e580df98 crossfade-boot 95f05b9cb49c9123b3074044fa2fa1df82c8d9ef4e0c3a16f7be32c8b773c0ba crossfade-manual.html e5135f57af4551bdd91456b56ead95e77075d6dbbe7859324c92ad30367ab452 crossfade-usb-install 8ceb4b9ee5adedde47b31e975c1d90c73ad27b6b165a1dcd80c7c545eb65b903 license a4cecac3570f8a6c7eaccea0dcbeace1c9fd55b2fa05539149de6c91fd7e5ad8 license.html On 03/16/2015 11:22 AM, Gavin Swanson wrote: EDIT: The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what you've said you published is what got downloaded. So if I see the hash on the email list and download it from a torrent or something I can verify that the torrent download matches your release announcement, and not just that I have a uncorrupted hacked download or something. Gavin S On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Gavin Swanson gavinswan...@gmail.com mailto:gavinswan...@gmail.com wrote: The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what you've said you published. On the topic of selling a few branded flash drives I understand that some people would expect support, but if you make it clear that you're just selling the branded drive and not the distro or support for the distro you should be fine. Maybe sell the drive blank and make people load it themselves that removes you from being responsible for the content of the drive. Gavin S On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Be b...@gmx.com mailto:b...@gmx.com wrote: Regarding source code: I accidentally included it all in the torrent this time. I meant to only put the ISO image, installer script, license, and manual in the torrent and leave out the Kickstart file and boot script. All of that (minus the ISO image) is in the filesystem at /usr/share/crossfade as explained in the manual section entitled Modification. SHA1 sum of the ISO image: 27b172a6ec78a8dd308863db3a2f9fea08430171 On 03/16/2015 07:41 AM, Be wrote: The livecd-creator tool I use the build the ISO image automatically uses implantmd5sum. If you have checkisomd5 installed, the installer script automatically checks the integrity of the ISO before installing. I didn't realize till now that checkisomd5 is a Fedora-specific program. The md5sum of the ISO is: d0188585047a26cb322b424838857e7c . However, any BitTorrent client should verify the integrity of the download automatically. Regarding wiki, forums, and homepage stuff, I just applied for hosting on Savannah. Yeah, I agree that I don't want to sell anything with Crossfade on it until it gets more widely tested. Thanks for raising the questions about support. I'll have to think about that. On 03/16/2015 05:42 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com mailto:re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi Be! Progress is cool! I think selling them should be held off until they've been out in the field awhile and there is a chance for bug reports and stuff. Also, with cost comes an obligation toward product support, are you ready for that? Does Crossfade have its own wiki, forums, homepage? Those are other things for consideration in creating Crossfade as a product. It seems like product support will be the biggest challenge. Also the source should be up somewhere for users to poke at (and file the inevitable bug reports). The container sounds cool. Who makes it? Also, very important when publishing these things to a mailing list (not to mention eventually your website) - HASHES. Out of band verification is good stuff. I request at least sha1, I prefer sha256. MD5 is deprecated and should not be used. Yay for getting the .iso out! I'm gonna wait for you to publish the hash here before I download though, ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 05:09:18 + Be b...@gmx.com mailto:b...@gmx.com wrote: Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90 is a cross-platform digital DJ system for USB flash and portable hard drives. Crossfade GNU/Linux allows you to use a USB drive with your music collection
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Be, Thanks. Releasing the hash(es) on whatever devlist is associated with the project is clean protocol, and Gavin articulated the security aspect nicely. More on selling software: Proprietary paid product: must have comprehensive product support resources, all support is handled by the company. OSS paid product: same, but some of the product support can be provided by the users themselves if they have proper places to congregate and exchange info, in other words wikis, forums, devlists, bug trackers - and even then the ultimate responsibility for support has to be the responsibility of the company/seller. OSS unpaid product: same as the latter, but only as best practices because ultimately in this case no one really owes anyone anything ever. No matter what though, out-of-band hashes straight from whoever is building the software should be provided to the users for security reasons (which double as download integrity checks). This is why MD5 is deprecated, because in security terms, it can be broken. Gavin, If Be sold empty drives that wouldn't be ;) different enough than just installing them on your own to your own drive. ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:42:54 + Be b...@gmx.com wrote: SHA256 sums of every file in the torrent: 3986214070d1d0dca05b139506efe2e040341468cb5edd578027c7a23f86eb52 crossfade-0.90.iso a5080ec5dc682d0e0eccd029f1ead985829fff3b6f7924975e44f9f162718a45 crossfade-0.90.ks 9086b8019d17b66bdf77696cf5dfad08dceadb1667bd07fc83549a06e580df98 crossfade-boot 95f05b9cb49c9123b3074044fa2fa1df82c8d9ef4e0c3a16f7be32c8b773c0ba crossfade-manual.html e5135f57af4551bdd91456b56ead95e77075d6dbbe7859324c92ad30367ab452 crossfade-usb-install 8ceb4b9ee5adedde47b31e975c1d90c73ad27b6b165a1dcd80c7c545eb65b903 license a4cecac3570f8a6c7eaccea0dcbeace1c9fd55b2fa05539149de6c91fd7e5ad8 license.html On 03/16/2015 11:22 AM, Gavin Swanson wrote: EDIT: The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what you've said you published is what got downloaded. So if I see the hash on the email list and download it from a torrent or something I can verify that the torrent download matches your release announcement, and not just that I have a uncorrupted hacked download or something. Gavin S On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Gavin Swanson gavinswan...@gmail.com mailto:gavinswan...@gmail.com wrote: The point of the HASH is not just to verify download integrity. It also serves as a check that what you've said you published. On the topic of selling a few branded flash drives I understand that some people would expect support, but if you make it clear that you're just selling the branded drive and not the distro or support for the distro you should be fine. Maybe sell the drive blank and make people load it themselves that removes you from being responsible for the content of the drive. Gavin S On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Be b...@gmx.com mailto:b...@gmx.com wrote: Regarding source code: I accidentally included it all in the torrent this time. I meant to only put the ISO image, installer script, license, and manual in the torrent and leave out the Kickstart file and boot script. All of that (minus the ISO image) is in the filesystem at /usr/share/crossfade as explained in the manual section entitled Modification. SHA1 sum of the ISO image: 27b172a6ec78a8dd308863db3a2f9fea08430171 On 03/16/2015 07:41 AM, Be wrote: The livecd-creator tool I use the build the ISO image automatically uses implantmd5sum. If you have checkisomd5 installed, the installer script automatically checks the integrity of the ISO before installing. I didn't realize till now that checkisomd5 is a Fedora-specific program. The md5sum of the ISO is: d0188585047a26cb322b424838857e7c . However, any BitTorrent client should verify the integrity of the download automatically. Regarding wiki, forums, and homepage stuff, I just applied for hosting on Savannah. Yeah, I agree that I don't want to sell anything with Crossfade on it until it gets more widely tested. Thanks for raising the questions about support. I'll have to think about that. On 03/16/2015 05:42 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com mailto:re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi Be! Progress is cool! I think selling them should be held off until they've been out in the field awhile and there is a chance for bug reports and stuff. Also, with cost comes an obligation toward product support, are you ready for
Re: [Mixxx-devel] Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90: distro for DJing from USB drives
Regarding source code: I accidentally included it all in the torrent this time. I meant to only put the ISO image, installer script, license, and manual in the torrent and leave out the Kickstart file and boot script. All of that (minus the ISO image) is in the filesystem at /usr/share/crossfade as explained in the manual section entitled Modification. SHA1 sum of the ISO image: 27b172a6ec78a8dd308863db3a2f9fea08430171 On 03/16/2015 07:41 AM, Be wrote: The livecd-creator tool I use the build the ISO image automatically uses implantmd5sum. If you have checkisomd5 installed, the installer script automatically checks the integrity of the ISO before installing. I didn't realize till now that checkisomd5 is a Fedora-specific program. The md5sum of the ISO is: d0188585047a26cb322b424838857e7c . However, any BitTorrent client should verify the integrity of the download automatically. Regarding wiki, forums, and homepage stuff, I just applied for hosting on Savannah. Yeah, I agree that I don't want to sell anything with Crossfade on it until it gets more widely tested. Thanks for raising the questions about support. I'll have to think about that. On 03/16/2015 05:42 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi Be! Progress is cool! I think selling them should be held off until they've been out in the field awhile and there is a chance for bug reports and stuff. Also, with cost comes an obligation toward product support, are you ready for that? Does Crossfade have its own wiki, forums, homepage? Those are other things for consideration in creating Crossfade as a product. It seems like product support will be the biggest challenge. Also the source should be up somewhere for users to poke at (and file the inevitable bug reports). The container sounds cool. Who makes it? Also, very important when publishing these things to a mailing list (not to mention eventually your website) - HASHES. Out of band verification is good stuff. I request at least sha1, I prefer sha256. MD5 is deprecated and should not be used. Yay for getting the .iso out! I'm gonna wait for you to publish the hash here before I download though, ~RAWRR On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 05:09:18 + Be b...@gmx.com wrote: Crossfade GNU/Linux 0.90 is a cross-platform digital DJ system for USB flash and portable hard drives. Crossfade GNU/Linux allows you to use a USB drive with your music collection to DJ on any modern PC (with an x86 or x86_64 CPU), including Apple Macs, using the DJ program Mixxx customized however you like. USB drives with Crossfade GNU/Linux installed on them show up in Windows, Mac OS X, and GNU/Linux as normal USB drives that music or any other data can be copied onto. Unlike ordinary USB drives, they can also be used to boot Crossfade GNU/Linux. After rebooting, the PC will be back to how it was before. See the manual included in the torrent for installations instructions. Get the torrent here: http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=054465878ca40308a585654d385 9786dfd79f133f=crossfade-0.90.torrent Please seed the torrent! :) Crossfade GNU/Linux and Mixxx are free software--free as in artistic freedom, not just price. You are free and encouraged to use, copy, *share*, and modify this software however you wish and share your changes with the community here. Sharing Crossfade GNU/Linux can be a great way to encourage friends to start DJing or introduce DJs who use proprietary software such as Traktor, Serato Scratch, Serato Itch, or Virtual DJ to free software without having to commit to installing anything on their PC. Crossfade GNU/Linux is setup with a realtime Linux kernel for optimal performance. It includes the Xfce graphical desktop environment, Midori web browser, and Clementine music player. It has a number of other programs for live musical performance including the Hydrogen drum machine, SooperLooper and Giada loopers, Guitarix electric guitar amplifier, Rakarrak guitar effects board, Ardour digital audio workstation,Audacity wave editor, and many LV2 and LADSPA audio effects plugins. Additionally, Crossfade GNU/Linux includes utilities that make it useful as a computer rescue system, such as the GParted partition manager, GNU GRUB bootloader, TestDisk data recovery program, FSArchiver filesystem backup program, and MATE Disk Usage Analyzer. Crossfade GNU/Linux is a Fedora Remix containing software from sources other than Fedora, namely RPMFusion and PlanetCCRMA, as well as scripts and configuration specific to Crossfade GNU/Linux. To do: -Confirm that USB drives are readable by CDJs. I do not have CDJs so help would be appreciated! (DJ Pegasus also mentioned it should be readable by his car stereo... o.O) -A logo and desktop background. I have a sketch on paper for a logo. Now I need to learn how to use Inkscape. -Internationalization. Does anyone want to volunteer to translate the liveusb-install script and manual? I am thinking about
