Re: [Mjpeg-users] average higher than max

2003-12-02 Thread Michael Hanke
Hi,

On Tuesday 02 December 2003 07.14, Bernhard Praschinger wrote:
> Hallo
>
> > > >INFO: [mplex] Average bit-rate :  9497200 bits/sec
> > > >INFO: [mplex] Peak bit-rate:  9019200  bits/sec
> > >
> > > Basically it is 'peak' number thats wrong (it tends to underestimate a
> > > little).
> >
> > But other than that, and if the peak is below the max value specified by
> > the DVD standards, it should be ok on standalone DVD players, right?
>
> Right.
>
I was playing around with the new mpeg2enc. When encoding with -f 4, I 
received a peak rate of around 3 Mb/s while the avarage was far lower: 2 
Mb/s. The SVCD palyed fine on a standalone player. Nevertheless, isn't this 
result strange?

Michael


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Re: [Mjpeg-users] average higher than max

2003-12-02 Thread Andrew Stevens
Hi,

> I was playing around with the new mpeg2enc. When encoding with -f 4, I
> received a peak rate of around 3 Mb/s while the avarage was far lower: 2
> Mb/s. The SVCD palyed fine on a standalone player. Nevertheless, isn't this
> result strange?

This sounds 100% right.   For short bursts the decoder data-rate can greatly 
exceed the actual mux_rate - the encoder is 'running down' the demux buffer 
in the decoder.  For SVCD this is actually quite large around 1 second of 
play, whereas the peak-rate is calculated over a rather smaller range (around 
0.5 second).

Andrew



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[Mjpeg-users] Aspect Ratio Confusion

2003-12-02 Thread Jonathan Bartlett
I'm rendering an animation that will eventually be displayed on a 16:9
screen that has a resolution of 1024x768.  In order for this to look
right, it seems I need to render my animation in a different resolution
(on the PC), and then scale it to 1024x768 so that it will display right
on a 16:9 screen.  However, I am utterly confused as to how to do this
calculation.  Anyway know?

Thanks,

Jon



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Re: [Mjpeg-users] Aspect Ratio Confusion

2003-12-02 Thread Steven M. Schultz

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Jonathan Bartlett wrote:

> I'm rendering an animation that will eventually be displayed on a 16:9
> screen that has a resolution of 1024x768.  In order for this to look

Hmmm, 1024x768 is 4:3 so I'm a bit confused what is meant by
"16:9 screen ... resolution of 1024x768"

Is this going be played from a DVD?   If so then the letterboxing
will usually be done by the DVD player.

> right, it seems I need to render my animation in a different resolution
> (on the PC), and then scale it to 1024x768 so that it will display right
> on a 16:9 screen.  However, I am utterly confused as to how to do this
> calculation.  Anyway know?

The (small amount of) composing I've done  was by creating the
artwork at 720x540 and scaling to 720x480.  This was for a normal
(4:3) movie.   Alternatively it could have been done at 704x528 and
scaled to 704x480 (which is another valid DVD resolution).

I've not done any widescreen creation...

Widescreen NTSC is 854x480 so I think the proceedure is the create
the data at that resolution, scale to 720x480 and set the aspect
to 16:9 (-a option of mpeg2enc).

Now PAL widescreen is 1024x576 so you'd create the input at that
size and scale to 720x576 and set the 16:9 aspect.

If you're not going to a DVD but simply playing via the video out
then perhaps tinkering with the player's aspect/scaling options can
do what is needed (MPlayer has a lot of them).   Not something I've
done anything with though.

Steven Schultz



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Re: [Mjpeg-users] Aspect Ratio Confusion

2003-12-02 Thread Jonathan Bartlett
>   Hmmm, 1024x768 is 4:3 so I'm a bit confused what is meant by
>   "16:9 screen ... resolution of 1024x768"

Yes, it's a really wierd system.  It's a computer monitor that runs at
1024x768, but the actual screen dimensions are 16:9, meaning that the
pixel aspect ratio is really screwy, especially for a computer monitor.
The video is going to be played from an MPEG file on the computer by
Windows Media Player.

Jon




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Re: [Mjpeg-users] Aspect Ratio Confusion

2003-12-02 Thread Bernhard Praschinger
Hallo

> I'm rendering an animation that will eventually be displayed on a 16:9
> screen that has a resolution of 1024x768.  In order for this to look
> right, it seems I need to render my animation in a different resolution
> (on the PC), and then scale it to 1024x768 so that it will display right
> on a 16:9 screen.  However, I am utterly confused as to how to do this
> calculation.  Anyway know?
Just as Steven said ;)
You have to use very likely the --no-constraints option. Else mpeg2enc
does not encode at a higher resolution than 720x576, and only up to
bitrates of 10MBit.

> Yes, it's a really wierd system.  It's a computer monitor that runs at
> 1024x768, but the actual screen dimensions are 16:9, meaning that the
> pixel aspect ratio is really screwy, especially for a computer monitor.
> The video is going to be played from an MPEG file on the computer by
> Windows Media Player.
If you have to play it back with that player you have to use a MPEG1
Video, and cannot use MPEG2 which works better (smaler files) for high
resolutions. Or use some other player that can playback MPEG2
(DVD-Player SW, or VLC for example)


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