Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

['Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v]

Sure sounds like a 2.0l 16v especially because of the 2 knock sensors which 
were only present on the 91 and later cars - Digifunk for 8v and Moronic for 
16v.  I wouldn't necessarily throw TEPO (the evil previous owner) under the bus 
though - Volkswagen was/is notorious for having a vast spare parts bin that 
crossed model types and years, throwing together old and new model parts when 
their supply was thin.  In 91-92, VW quality was, um, not-so-good and their 
supply was the same.   

On Monday, February 1, 2016 5:51 PM, Holland Phillips 
 wrote:
 

 Well, it's definitely a 9A engine. Whatever else is going on with the 
internals is a mystery. I would just buy all the replacement parts you need for 
the 9A and be done with it.On Feb 1, 2016 14:30, damac2004 
 wrote:

1.  yes there is an ecu and it has a techtronics chip in it that says 16v 2.0
2.  i think it does have 2 knock sensors on the front of the block to the left 
of the block breather fitting?  each one looks the same, one has a bare wire 
the whole length, and each goes to its own wire harness clip.
3.  this car is disabled on the driveway and im struggling to get it higher for 
me to get underneath.  i was trying to feel around back there from underneath 
looking up and all i can find on the drivers side lower block is a big embossed 
A
i'm new to these cars so im scared its some kind of other engine.  this still 
doesn't explain how this car was using the larger im shaft and smaller oil pump 
gear?  there isn't a mark anywhere on those parts so obviously they aren't 
hitting the guts of the engine.


On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
Does it have a ECU mounted under the plastic tray at the base of the 
windshield?  The tray covers the windshield wiper motor, and is held on by some 
clips. If it does, it's probably a 9A. The 1.8 liter 16V doesn't utilize an 
ECU.~HollandOn Feb 1, 2016 11:59, "damac2004"  wrote:

the chasis is a 1991 gti but i don't trust the previous owners after having 
seen all the hack jobs.  for all i know another motor is in there :(

im trying to look on front of block and see these markings in the picture i 
attached, down below that is the part number.

On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:30:48 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
I don't recall you saying what year your car is. If it's a '91-'92 2.0 liter 
16V, the engine designation is 9A.

~HollandOn Jan 31, 2016 11:51 PM, "damac2004"  wrote:

is there some kind of decoder?  when i search google i come up with few and 
differing answers.  i want to find out what engine i have so i can make sure i 
get the right intermediate shaft and stock parts to get it smogged.

the block says:  051 103 021
the head says:  051103373-- 
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Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

[damac2004]

hmmm, i am still not convinced and found a 1.8 oil pump in it.

is there a problem with me going with the 2.0 im shaft/gear and its oil 
pump?  if im reading right it can only help?  then i won't have to worry.

the more i read im still not seeing how it can be a 2.0 bottom end with the 
1.8 intermediate shaft if things don't hit when running the engine.


is it normal for the head on these motors to stick way out past the front 
of the block where they meet?  im used to seeing that area flush on 
mydiesel where mated.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:55:11 AM UTC-8, mgyip wrote:
>
> Sure sounds like a 2.0l 16v especially because of the 2 knock sensors 
> which were only present on the 91 and later cars - Digifunk for 8v and 
> Moronic for 16v.  I wouldn't necessarily throw TEPO (the evil previous 
> owner) under the bus though - Volkswagen was/is notorious for having a vast 
> spare parts bin that crossed model types and years, throwing together old 
> and new model parts when their supply was thin.  In 91-92, VW quality was, 
> um, not-so-good and their supply was the same.  
>
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2016 5:51 PM, Holland Phillips <
> faster...@pacbell.net > wrote:
>
>
> Well, it's definitely a 9A engine. Whatever else is going on with the 
> internals is a mystery. I would just buy all the replacement parts you need 
> for the 9A and be done with it.
> On Feb 1, 2016 14:30, damac2004 > 
> wrote:
>
> 1.  yes there is an ecu and it has a techtronics chip in it that says 16v 
> 2.0
>
> 2.  i think it does have 2 knock sensors on the front of the block to the 
> left of the block breather fitting?  each one looks the same, one has a 
> bare wire the whole length, and each goes to its own wire harness clip.
>
> 3.  this car is disabled on the driveway and im struggling to get it 
> higher for me to get underneath.  i was trying to feel around back there 
> from underneath looking up and all i can find on the drivers side lower 
> block is a big embossed A
>
> i'm new to these cars so im scared its some kind of other engine.  this 
> still doesn't explain how this car was using the larger im shaft and 
> smaller oil pump gear?  there isn't a mark anywhere on those parts so 
> obviously they aren't hitting the guts of the engine.
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>
> Does it have a ECU mounted under the plastic tray at the base of the 
> windshield?  The tray covers the windshield wiper motor, and is held on by 
> some clips. If it does, it's probably a 9A. The 1.8 liter 16V doesn't 
> utilize an ECU.
> ~Holland
> On Feb 1, 2016 11:59, "damac2004"  wrote:
>
> the chasis is a 1991 gti but i don't trust the previous owners after 
> having seen all the hack jobs.  for all i know another motor is in there :(
>
>
> im trying to look on front of block and see these markings in the picture 
> i attached, down below that is the part number.
>
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:30:48 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>
> I don't recall you saying what year your car is. If it's a '91-'92 2.0 
> liter 16V, the engine designation is 9A.
>
> ~Holland
> On Jan 31, 2016 11:51 PM, "damac2004"  wrote:
>
> is there some kind of decoder?  when i search google i come up with few 
> and differing answers.  i want to find out what engine i have so i can make 
> sure i get the right intermediate shaft and stock parts to get it smogged.
>
>
> the block says:  051 103 021
>
> the head says:  051103373
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Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

[Holland Phillips]

The external differences between 1.8 and 2.0 16V heads and blocks are very
minimal. I don't recall the over hang you speak of, but I wouldn't be
concerned.

~Holland
On Feb 2, 2016 09:28, "damac2004"  wrote:

> hmmm, i am still not convinced and found a 1.8 oil pump in it.
>
> is there a problem with me going with the 2.0 im shaft/gear and its oil
> pump?  if im reading right it can only help?  then i won't have to worry.
>
> the more i read im still not seeing how it can be a 2.0 bottom end with
> the 1.8 intermediate shaft if things don't hit when running the engine.
>
>
> is it normal for the head on these motors to stick way out past the front
> of the block where they meet?  im used to seeing that area flush on
> mydiesel where mated.
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:55:11 AM UTC-8, mgyip wrote:
>>
>> Sure sounds like a 2.0l 16v especially because of the 2 knock sensors
>> which were only present on the 91 and later cars - Digifunk for 8v and
>> Moronic for 16v.  I wouldn't necessarily throw TEPO (the evil previous
>> owner) under the bus though - Volkswagen was/is notorious for having a vast
>> spare parts bin that crossed model types and years, throwing together old
>> and new model parts when their supply was thin.  In 91-92, VW quality was,
>> um, not-so-good and their supply was the same.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 5:51 PM, Holland Phillips <
>> faster...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well, it's definitely a 9A engine. Whatever else is going on with the
>> internals is a mystery. I would just buy all the replacement parts you need
>> for the 9A and be done with it.
>> On Feb 1, 2016 14:30, damac2004  wrote:
>>
>> 1.  yes there is an ecu and it has a techtronics chip in it that says 16v
>> 2.0
>>
>> 2.  i think it does have 2 knock sensors on the front of the block to the
>> left of the block breather fitting?  each one looks the same, one has a
>> bare wire the whole length, and each goes to its own wire harness clip.
>>
>> 3.  this car is disabled on the driveway and im struggling to get it
>> higher for me to get underneath.  i was trying to feel around back there
>> from underneath looking up and all i can find on the drivers side lower
>> block is a big embossed A
>>
>> i'm new to these cars so im scared its some kind of other engine.  this
>> still doesn't explain how this car was using the larger im shaft and
>> smaller oil pump gear?  there isn't a mark anywhere on those parts so
>> obviously they aren't hitting the guts of the engine.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>>
>> Does it have a ECU mounted under the plastic tray at the base of the
>> windshield?  The tray covers the windshield wiper motor, and is held on by
>> some clips. If it does, it's probably a 9A. The 1.8 liter 16V doesn't
>> utilize an ECU.
>> ~Holland
>> On Feb 1, 2016 11:59, "damac2004"  wrote:
>>
>> the chasis is a 1991 gti but i don't trust the previous owners after
>> having seen all the hack jobs.  for all i know another motor is in there :(
>>
>>
>> im trying to look on front of block and see these markings in the picture
>> i attached, down below that is the part number.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:30:48 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>>
>> I don't recall you saying what year your car is. If it's a '91-'92 2.0
>> liter 16V, the engine designation is 9A.
>>
>> ~Holland
>> On Jan 31, 2016 11:51 PM, "damac2004"  wrote:
>>
>> is there some kind of decoder?  when i search google i come up with few
>> and differing answers.  i want to find out what engine i have so i can make
>> sure i get the right intermediate shaft and stock parts to get it smogged.
>>
>>
>> the block says:  051 103 021
>>
>> the head says:  051103373
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Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

['Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v]

I'm wracking my pea-brain but don't recall any difference in the intermediate 
shaft between 1.8 and 2.0l 16vs (or 8vs for that matter).  It's been a while 
since I looked closely at the front of a 16v but what you describe as an 
overhang is normal.  From the exterior, the 1.8 and 2.0 blocks are virtually 
identical EXCEPT for the casting on the rear that indicates the factory bore 
diameter.  I have a trashed 1.8l sitting on the floor at home - when I have 
some time (read: this weekend), I'll try to post up some photos.   

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 12:37 PM, Holland Phillips 
 wrote:
 

 The external differences between 1.8 and 2.0 16V heads and blocks are very 
minimal. I don't recall the over hang you speak of, but I wouldn't be 
concerned. ~HollandOn Feb 2, 2016 09:28, "damac2004"  
wrote:

hmmm, i am still not convinced and found a 1.8 oil pump in it.
is there a problem with me going with the 2.0 im shaft/gear and its oil pump?  
if im reading right it can only help?  then i won't have to worry.
the more i read im still not seeing how it can be a 2.0 bottom end with the 1.8 
intermediate shaft if things don't hit when running the engine.

is it normal for the head on these motors to stick way out past the front of 
the block where they meet?  im used to seeing that area flush on mydiesel where 
mated.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:55:11 AM UTC-8, mgyip wrote:
Sure sounds like a 2.0l 16v especially because of the 2 knock sensors which 
were only present on the 91 and later cars - Digifunk for 8v and Moronic for 
16v.  I wouldn't necessarily throw TEPO (the evil previous owner) under the bus 
though - Volkswagen was/is notorious for having a vast spare parts bin that 
crossed model types and years, throwing together old and new model parts when 
their supply was thin.  In 91-92, VW quality was, um, not-so-good and their 
supply was the same.   

On Monday, February 1, 2016 5:51 PM, Holland Phillips 
 wrote:
 

 Well, it's definitely a 9A engine. Whatever else is going on with the 
internals is a mystery. I would just buy all the replacement parts you need for 
the 9A and be done with it.On Feb 1, 2016 14:30, damac2004 
 wrote:

1.  yes there is an ecu and it has a techtronics chip in it that says 16v 2.0
2.  i think it does have 2 knock sensors on the front of the block to the left 
of the block breather fitting?  each one looks the same, one has a bare wire 
the whole length, and each goes to its own wire harness clip.
3.  this car is disabled on the driveway and im struggling to get it higher for 
me to get underneath.  i was trying to feel around back there from underneath 
looking up and all i can find on the drivers side lower block is a big embossed 
A
i'm new to these cars so im scared its some kind of other engine.  this still 
doesn't explain how this car was using the larger im shaft and smaller oil pump 
gear?  there isn't a mark anywhere on those parts so obviously they aren't 
hitting the guts of the engine.


On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
Does it have a ECU mounted under the plastic tray at the base of the 
windshield?  The tray covers the windshield wiper motor, and is held on by some 
clips. If it does, it's probably a 9A. The 1.8 liter 16V doesn't utilize an 
ECU.~HollandOn Feb 1, 2016 11:59, "damac2004"  wrote:

the chasis is a 1991 gti but i don't trust the previous owners after having 
seen all the hack jobs.  for all i know another motor is in there :(

im trying to look on front of block and see these markings in the picture i 
attached, down below that is the part number.

On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:30:48 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
I don't recall you saying what year your car is. If it's a '91-'92 2.0 liter 
16V, the engine designation is 9A.

~HollandOn Jan 31, 2016 11:51 PM, "damac2004"  wrote:

is there some kind of decoder?  when i search google i come up with few and 
differing answers.  i want to find out what engine i have so i can make sure i 
get the right intermediate shaft and stock parts to get it smogged.

the block says:  051 103 021
the head says:  051103373-- 
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Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

[damac2004]

somebody on forums just showed me a couple pictures that makes it pretty 
clear now.  since i haven't touched these parts before it didn't dawn on me 
to look at where you slide the oil pump im shaft gear in is a different 
dimension!

it looks like i have a 1.8 block, there is a little bit of wiggle room to 
feed the gear from outside block.  the 2.0 block has a bigger hole to fit 
the bigger gear!

the im shafts are definately different, the 1.8 is bulkier with gear oil 
pump side shaft past where it rides on bearing and gear itself.  so that 
part must be what people say hits.

so i need to order a 1.8 im shaft.

so maybe its safe to assume with the wiring and ecu that the car had 
another motor originally?  is it possible somebody left all the chasis 
fueling stuff and even put on a different head to a 1.8 bottom end?

oh boy i hope this doesn't stop me from getting smogged.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 9:37:13 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>
> The external differences between 1.8 and 2.0 16V heads and blocks are very 
> minimal. I don't recall the over hang you speak of, but I wouldn't be 
> concerned. 
>
> ~Holland
> On Feb 2, 2016 09:28, "damac2004" > 
> wrote:
>
>> hmmm, i am still not convinced and found a 1.8 oil pump in it.
>>
>> is there a problem with me going with the 2.0 im shaft/gear and its oil 
>> pump?  if im reading right it can only help?  then i won't have to worry.
>>
>> the more i read im still not seeing how it can be a 2.0 bottom end with 
>> the 1.8 intermediate shaft if things don't hit when running the engine.
>>
>>
>> is it normal for the head on these motors to stick way out past the front 
>> of the block where they meet?  im used to seeing that area flush on 
>> mydiesel where mated.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:55:11 AM UTC-8, mgyip wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure sounds like a 2.0l 16v especially because of the 2 knock sensors 
>>> which were only present on the 91 and later cars - Digifunk for 8v and 
>>> Moronic for 16v.  I wouldn't necessarily throw TEPO (the evil previous 
>>> owner) under the bus though - Volkswagen was/is notorious for having a vast 
>>> spare parts bin that crossed model types and years, throwing together old 
>>> and new model parts when their supply was thin.  In 91-92, VW quality was, 
>>> um, not-so-good and their supply was the same.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 5:51 PM, Holland Phillips <
>>> faster...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it's definitely a 9A engine. Whatever else is going on with the 
>>> internals is a mystery. I would just buy all the replacement parts you need 
>>> for the 9A and be done with it.
>>> On Feb 1, 2016 14:30, damac2004  wrote:
>>>
>>> 1.  yes there is an ecu and it has a techtronics chip in it that says 
>>> 16v 2.0
>>>
>>> 2.  i think it does have 2 knock sensors on the front of the block to 
>>> the left of the block breather fitting?  each one looks the same, one has a 
>>> bare wire the whole length, and each goes to its own wire harness clip.
>>>
>>> 3.  this car is disabled on the driveway and im struggling to get it 
>>> higher for me to get underneath.  i was trying to feel around back there 
>>> from underneath looking up and all i can find on the drivers side lower 
>>> block is a big embossed A
>>>
>>> i'm new to these cars so im scared its some kind of other engine.  this 
>>> still doesn't explain how this car was using the larger im shaft and 
>>> smaller oil pump gear?  there isn't a mark anywhere on those parts so 
>>> obviously they aren't hitting the guts of the engine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>>>
>>> Does it have a ECU mounted under the plastic tray at the base of the 
>>> windshield?  The tray covers the windshield wiper motor, and is held on by 
>>> some clips. If it does, it's probably a 9A. The 1.8 liter 16V doesn't 
>>> utilize an ECU.
>>> ~Holland
>>> On Feb 1, 2016 11:59, "damac2004"  wrote:
>>>
>>> the chasis is a 1991 gti but i don't trust the previous owners after 
>>> having seen all the hack jobs.  for all i know another motor is in there :(
>>>
>>>
>>> im trying to look on front of block and see these markings in the 
>>> picture i attached, down below that is the part number.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:30:48 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't recall you saying what year your car is. If it's a '91-'92 2.0 
>>> liter 16V, the engine designation is 9A.
>>>
>>> ~Holland
>>> On Jan 31, 2016 11:51 PM, "damac2004"  wrote:
>>>
>>> is there some kind of decoder?  when i search google i come up with few 
>>> and differing answers.  i want to find out what engine i have so i can make 
>>> sure i get the right intermediate shaft and stock parts to get it smogged.
>>>
>>>
>>> the block says:  051 103 021
>>>
>>> the head says:  051103373
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Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

[Steven Arguello]

Anything is possible, trans, heads and blocks are all interchangeable. My GTi 
had a weird mix of 2.0 and 1.8 components and it ran beautifully. Never passed 
emissions because of a hollow cat, but I had a buddy who took care of it. He 
sold his business so I registered it as a historic/classic vehicle. No more 
emissions testing. 

On Feb 2, 2016, at 2:26 PM, damac2004  wrote:

somebody on forums just showed me a couple pictures that makes it pretty clear 
now.  since i haven't touched these parts before it didn't dawn on me to look 
at where you slide the oil pump im shaft gear in is a different dimension!

it looks like i have a 1.8 block, there is a little bit of wiggle room to feed 
the gear from outside block.  the 2.0 block has a bigger hole to fit the bigger 
gear!

the im shafts are definately different, the 1.8 is bulkier with gear oil pump 
side shaft past where it rides on bearing and gear itself.  so that part must 
be what people say hits.

so i need to order a 1.8 im shaft.

so maybe its safe to assume with the wiring and ecu that the car had another 
motor originally?  is it possible somebody left all the chasis fueling stuff 
and even put on a different head to a 1.8 bottom end?

oh boy i hope this doesn't stop me from getting smogged.

> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 9:37:13 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
> The external differences between 1.8 and 2.0 16V heads and blocks are very 
> minimal. I don't recall the over hang you speak of, but I wouldn't be 
> concerned.
> 
> ~Holland
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2016 09:28, "damac2004"  wrote:
>> hmmm, i am still not convinced and found a 1.8 oil pump in it.
>> 
>> is there a problem with me going with the 2.0 im shaft/gear and its oil 
>> pump?  if im reading right it can only help?  then i won't have to worry.
>> 
>> the more i read im still not seeing how it can be a 2.0 bottom end with the 
>> 1.8 intermediate shaft if things don't hit when running the engine.
>> 
>> 
>> is it normal for the head on these motors to stick way out past the front of 
>> the block where they meet?  im used to seeing that area flush on mydiesel 
>> where mated.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:55:11 AM UTC-8, mgyip wrote:
>>> Sure sounds like a 2.0l 16v especially because of the 2 knock sensors which 
>>> were only present on the 91 and later cars - Digifunk for 8v and Moronic 
>>> for 16v.  I wouldn't necessarily throw TEPO (the evil previous owner) under 
>>> the bus though - Volkswagen was/is notorious for having a vast spare parts 
>>> bin that crossed model types and years, throwing together old and new model 
>>> parts when their supply was thin.  In 91-92, VW quality was, um, 
>>> not-so-good and their supply was the same.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 5:51 PM, Holland Phillips 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, it's definitely a 9A engine. Whatever else is going on with the 
>>> internals is a mystery. I would just buy all the replacement parts you need 
>>> for the 9A and be done with it.
>>> On Feb 1, 2016 14:30, damac2004  wrote:
>>> 1.  yes there is an ecu and it has a techtronics chip in it that says 16v 
>>> 2.0
>>> 
>>> 2.  i think it does have 2 knock sensors on the front of the block to the 
>>> left of the block breather fitting?  each one looks the same, one has a 
>>> bare wire the whole length, and each goes to its own wire harness clip.
>>> 
>>> 3.  this car is disabled on the driveway and im struggling to get it higher 
>>> for me to get underneath.  i was trying to feel around back there from 
>>> underneath looking up and all i can find on the drivers side lower block is 
>>> a big embossed A
>>> 
>>> i'm new to these cars so im scared its some kind of other engine.  this 
>>> still doesn't explain how this car was using the larger im shaft and 
>>> smaller oil pump gear?  there isn't a mark anywhere on those parts so 
>>> obviously they aren't hitting the guts of the engine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>>> Does it have a ECU mounted under the plastic tray at the base of the 
>>> windshield?  The tray covers the windshield wiper motor, and is held on by 
>>> some clips. If it does, it's probably a 9A. The 1.8 liter 16V doesn't 
>>> utilize an ECU.
>>> ~Holland
>>> On Feb 1, 2016 11:59, "damac2004"  wrote:
>>> the chasis is a 1991 gti but i don't trust the previous owners after having 
>>> seen all the hack jobs.  for all i know another motor is in there :(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> im trying to look on front of block and see these markings in the picture i 
>>> attached, down below that is the part number.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:30:48 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>>> I don't recall you saying what year your car is. If it's a '91-'92 2.0 
>>> liter 16V, the engine designation is 9A.
>>> 
>>> ~Holland
>>> On Jan 31, 2016 11:51 PM, "damac2004"  wrote:
>>> is there some kind of decoder?  when i search google i come up with few and 
>>> differing ans

Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

['Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v]

Agreed - the Mk2 chassis, like the contemporary Honduh chassis, accepts 
virtually ALL and ANY configuration of OE drivetrain in a mix-and-match set-up. 
 Some of the old-school 16v tricks included the 1.8l head on the 2.0l block b/c 
the 1.8l head flows better in stock trim.  To spice up power, run an exhaust 
cam in place of the intake cam on a 16v.  
Depending on where you live and how invasive your smog checks are, it's very 
possible to pass off a Mk2 as block-stock even though it's anything but inside. 
 In other words (and as the OP is finding), it's very difficult to see an 
external difference between a completely stock 2.0l engine and a 1.8l head on a 
2.0l bottom-end.   

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 2:57 PM, Steven Arguello 
 wrote:
 

 Anything is possible, trans, heads and blocks are all interchangeable. My GTi 
had a weird mix of 2.0 and 1.8 components and it ran beautifully. Never passed 
emissions because of a hollow cat, but I had a buddy who took care of it. He 
sold his business so I registered it as a historic/classic vehicle. No more 
emissions testing. 
On Feb 2, 2016, at 2:26 PM, damac2004  wrote:

somebody on forums just showed me a couple pictures that makes it pretty clear 
now.  since i haven't touched these parts before it didn't dawn on me to look 
at where you slide the oil pump im shaft gear in is a different dimension!
it looks like i have a 1.8 block, there is a little bit of wiggle room to feed 
the gear from outside block.  the 2.0 block has a bigger hole to fit the bigger 
gear!
the im shafts are definately different, the 1.8 is bulkier with gear oil pump 
side shaft past where it rides on bearing and gear itself.  so that part must 
be what people say hits.
so i need to order a 1.8 im shaft.
so maybe its safe to assume with the wiring and ecu that the car had another 
motor originally?  is it possible somebody left all the chasis fueling stuff 
and even put on a different head to a 1.8 bottom end?
oh boy i hope this doesn't stop me from getting smogged.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 9:37:13 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
The external differences between 1.8 and 2.0 16V heads and blocks are very 
minimal. I don't recall the over hang you speak of, but I wouldn't be 
concerned. ~HollandOn Feb 2, 2016 09:28, "damac2004"  
wrote:

hmmm, i am still not convinced and found a 1.8 oil pump in it.
is there a problem with me going with the 2.0 im shaft/gear and its oil pump?  
if im reading right it can only help?  then i won't have to worry.
the more i read im still not seeing how it can be a 2.0 bottom end with the 1.8 
intermediate shaft if things don't hit when running the engine.

is it normal for the head on these motors to stick way out past the front of 
the block where they meet?  im used to seeing that area flush on mydiesel where 
mated.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:55:11 AM UTC-8, mgyip wrote:
Sure sounds like a 2.0l 16v especially because of the 2 knock sensors which 
were only present on the 91 and later cars - Digifunk for 8v and Moronic for 
16v.  I wouldn't necessarily throw TEPO (the evil previous owner) under the bus 
though - Volkswagen was/is notorious for having a vast spare parts bin that 
crossed model types and years, throwing together old and new model parts when 
their supply was thin.  In 91-92, VW quality was, um, not-so-good and their 
supply was the same.   

On Monday, February 1, 2016 5:51 PM, Holland Phillips 
 wrote:
 

 Well, it's definitely a 9A engine. Whatever else is going on with the 
internals is a mystery. I would just buy all the replacement parts you need for 
the 9A and be done with it.On Feb 1, 2016 14:30, damac2004 
 wrote:

1.  yes there is an ecu and it has a techtronics chip in it that says 16v 2.0
2.  i think it does have 2 knock sensors on the front of the block to the left 
of the block breather fitting?  each one looks the same, one has a bare wire 
the whole length, and each goes to its own wire harness clip.
3.  this car is disabled on the driveway and im struggling to get it higher for 
me to get underneath.  i was trying to feel around back there from underneath 
looking up and all i can find on the drivers side lower block is a big embossed 
A
i'm new to these cars so im scared its some kind of other engine.  this still 
doesn't explain how this car was using the larger im shaft and smaller oil pump 
gear?  there isn't a mark anywhere on those parts so obviously they aren't 
hitting the guts of the engine.


On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
Does it have a ECU mounted under the plastic tray at the base of the 
windshield?  The tray covers the windshield wiper motor, and is held on by some 
clips. If it does, it's probably a 9A. The 1.8 liter 16V doesn't utilize an 
ECU.~HollandOn Feb 1, 2016 11:59, "damac2004"  wrote:

the chasis is a 1991 gti but i don't trust the previous owners after having 
seen all the hack jobs.  for all i know another motor is in there :(

Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

[Holland Phillips]

Something I want to present - with the issues you've described, I,
personally, would pull the engine and fully disassemble it and have the
block/crank/rods et all inspected and measured by a reputable machine shop.
With the issues known to exist, it would be a shame to spend the time and
money replacing and repairing them only to discover other issues currently
not obvious. Especially since it seems that the po appears to have done
some questionable work to the engine already. With new and viable used
parts becoming more difficult to procure, and expensive, it just makes
since, at least to me. Another option to consider, the 9A engine was used
in not only the '91-'92 16V GTI and Jetta, it was also used much more
commonly in the Passat through '94. So searching "automotive recyclers" for
a good used Passat 9A may be a good option. Also, most Passats came with
automatic transmissions, which isn't a problem, since you already appear to
have a good drive train, other than the engine.
Just my thoughts...
~Holland
On Feb 2, 2016 12:06, "'Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v" 
wrote:

> Agreed - the Mk2 chassis, like the contemporary Honduh chassis, accepts
> virtually ALL and ANY configuration of OE drivetrain in a mix-and-match
> set-up.  Some of the old-school 16v tricks included the 1.8l head on the
> 2.0l block b/c the 1.8l head flows better in stock trim.  To spice up
> power, run an exhaust cam in place of the intake cam on a 16v.
>
> Depending on where you live and how invasive your smog checks are, it's
> very possible to pass off a Mk2 as block-stock even though it's anything
> but inside.  In other words (and as the OP is finding), it's very difficult
> to see an external difference between a completely stock 2.0l engine and a
> 1.8l head on a 2.0l bottom-end.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 2:57 PM, Steven Arguello <
> stevenargue...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Anything is possible, trans, heads and blocks are all interchangeable. My
> GTi had a weird mix of 2.0 and 1.8 components and it ran beautifully. Never
> passed emissions because of a hollow cat, but I had a buddy who took care
> of it. He sold his business so I registered it as a historic/classic
> vehicle. No more emissions testing.
>
> On Feb 2, 2016, at 2:26 PM, damac2004  wrote:
>
> somebody on forums just showed me a couple pictures that makes it pretty
> clear now.  since i haven't touched these parts before it didn't dawn on me
> to look at where you slide the oil pump im shaft gear in is a different
> dimension!
>
> it looks like i have a 1.8 block, there is a little bit of wiggle room to
> feed the gear from outside block.  the 2.0 block has a bigger hole to fit
> the bigger gear!
>
> the im shafts are definately different, the 1.8 is bulkier with gear oil
> pump side shaft past where it rides on bearing and gear itself.  so that
> part must be what people say hits.
>
> so i need to order a 1.8 im shaft.
>
> so maybe its safe to assume with the wiring and ecu that the car had
> another motor originally?  is it possible somebody left all the chasis
> fueling stuff and even put on a different head to a 1.8 bottom end?
>
> oh boy i hope this doesn't stop me from getting smogged.
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 9:37:13 AM UTC-8, hollandphillips wrote:
>
> The external differences between 1.8 and 2.0 16V heads and blocks are very
> minimal. I don't recall the over hang you speak of, but I wouldn't be
> concerned.
> ~Holland
> On Feb 2, 2016 09:28, "damac2004"  wrote:
>
> hmmm, i am still not convinced and found a 1.8 oil pump in it.
>
> is there a problem with me going with the 2.0 im shaft/gear and its oil
> pump?  if im reading right it can only help?  then i won't have to worry.
>
> the more i read im still not seeing how it can be a 2.0 bottom end with
> the 1.8 intermediate shaft if things don't hit when running the engine.
>
>
> is it normal for the head on these motors to stick way out past the front
> of the block where they meet?  im used to seeing that area flush on
> mydiesel where mated.
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:55:11 AM UTC-8, mgyip wrote:
>
> Sure sounds like a 2.0l 16v especially because of the 2 knock sensors
> which were only present on the 91 and later cars - Digifunk for 8v and
> Moronic for 16v.  I wouldn't necessarily throw TEPO (the evil previous
> owner) under the bus though - Volkswagen was/is notorious for having a vast
> spare parts bin that crossed model types and years, throwing together old
> and new model parts when their supply was thin.  In 91-92, VW quality was,
> um, not-so-good and their supply was the same.
>
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2016 5:51 PM, Holland Phillips <
> faster...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
> Well, it's definitely a 9A engine. Whatever else is going on with the
> internals is a mystery. I would just buy all the replacement parts you need
> for the 9A and be done with it.
> On Feb 1, 2016 14:30, damac2004  wrote:
>
> 1.  yes there is an ecu and it has a techtronics chip in it that says 16