Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

[Holland Phillips]

Uh, that was EGR valve, not EYE. Damn auto correct...

~Holland
On Mar 31, 2016 19:56, "Holland Phillips"  wrote:

> I've had concerns about the wires you found cut since you mentioned them.
> In CA, on pre OBD cars, they look for hardware and check tail pipe. I had a
> Euro intake on my car, and the port for the EYE valve wasn't machined, so I
> just bolted the valve on and ran the wire back into the harness without
> connecting it, and they never caught it. Those cut wires may be for the
> reference sensor, and if the smog Nazis see them, they may fail you on that
> alone. Plus, without a functioning reference sensor, I doubt the car will
> run correctly, and that may be the reason your timing is jumping around.
> Like I said before, at this point, I would find a smog station that offers
> free retests and go for it. They will tell you what is not correct if it
> fails.
>
> ~Holland
> On Mar 31, 2016 19:27, "damac2004"  wrote:
>
>> holy cow i hope to have a success story soon but i am not quite there yet
>> for smog.  i went ahead and checked the codes and found i got an egr
>> error, igntion reference sender and knock sensor #1 bad wiring or sender.
>>
>> somebody told me i don't have a california ecu, does anybody know if all
>> ecu's would throw that egr even if on a non california car?  i don't think
>> i have to worry about it, just wondering.
>>
>> on the knock sensor both of mine are chipped up where the sensor bolts
>> in, one of them has no covering on the whole run of wire, just metal
>> strands.  just got a couple bosch new ones for cheap on ebay so will
>> install those.
>>
>> the last one for the igntion reference sender brings up an issue i didn't
>> know i had.  my car has no sensor on #4 wire and i found no connector in my
>> harness but there is a run of 3 wires that was cut off.  does anybody know
>> if this will effect how the computer runs things?  i have read it both ways
>> searching.  i never noticed a problem with the car before i touched it
>> except it was stinky and didn't get good mileage.  i don't even care about
>> this as long as i pass smog.
>>
>> if i read right i also believe a car can have a 2 degree deviation from
>> the stock timing specs so i think i might just take a chance with this car
>> and set it as best as i can, even though the timing light jumps around.  i
>> have talked with numerous people on each side of this issue as well.  some
>> said their marks wandered, some said they don't.  hate to throw money at
>> this car if i don't have to, but would enjoy making it right for the next
>> guy when i get rid of it :)
>>
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 5:52:49 PM UTC-7, hollandphillips wrote:
>>>
>>> Two knock sensors means 2.0/9A block.
>>> On the timing issue, there is something that needs to be disconnected
>>> prior to using a timing light. I can't remember what exactly it is, but I
>>> think it's a vacuum line somewhere. Again, that information is in the
>>> Bentley. Once the whatever is disconnected, the timing should be steady
>>> when viewed with the timing light.
>>> The timing advance on Motronic cars is controlled by the ECU, which is
>>> why initial setting of the timing requires disconnecting whatever it is the
>>> Bentley tells you. They do connect a timing sensor to the number one
>>> cylinder spark plug lead when running an emissions test in California.
>>> Don't know if it's just for reference to the machine, or if they can
>>> actually fail you if it's out of spec.
>>>
>>> ~Holland
>>> On Mar 24, 2016 17:04, "damac2004"  wrote:
>>>
>>> ok so ground showed no continuity to that sensor wire.  it does with pin
>>> 7 i believe on the ecu connector,  so i guess i am good.  i kept getting
>>> confused because people were talking about an insulated wire and im
>>> thinking a nasty cable like for tv.  when looking these guys over as is,
>>> they don't seem special looking to me.
>>>
>>> also i looked over the car again and i do have 2 knock sensors.  they
>>> are on the front of the block close to each, closer to cylinder #1.  they
>>> each attach to a harness connector  that goes into the loom and to the ecu.
>>>  so if i remember right people said 1.8 blocks don't have 2?  yet i
>>> couldn't fit the larger im shaft gear into this block that mates to the oil
>>> pump it had the smaller block off plate hole?  so still not sure what i
>>> have.  in included a picture down below.  hopefully i won't need to care.
>>>
>>> here is a link to video of my first cold startup.   for some reason it
>>> took like 5 times to start like there was no gas, fuel pump was making
>>> noise.  then it started right up.  can anybody tell if it sounds ok?  i am
>>> now having an issue with timing the car.  i tried cold and after a warmup
>>> cycle and i cannot get the pointer to stay still with the light on?  it
>>> kind of lines up with the diamond and then it will shoot off a little bit
>>> off 

Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

[Holland Phillips]

I've had concerns about the wires you found cut since you mentioned them.
In CA, on pre OBD cars, they look for hardware and check tail pipe. I had a
Euro intake on my car, and the port for the EYE valve wasn't machined, so I
just bolted the valve on and ran the wire back into the harness without
connecting it, and they never caught it. Those cut wires may be for the
reference sensor, and if the smog Nazis see them, they may fail you on that
alone. Plus, without a functioning reference sensor, I doubt the car will
run correctly, and that may be the reason your timing is jumping around.
Like I said before, at this point, I would find a smog station that offers
free retests and go for it. They will tell you what is not correct if it
fails.

~Holland
On Mar 31, 2016 19:27, "damac2004"  wrote:

> holy cow i hope to have a success story soon but i am not quite there yet
> for smog.  i went ahead and checked the codes and found i got an egr
> error, igntion reference sender and knock sensor #1 bad wiring or sender.
>
> somebody told me i don't have a california ecu, does anybody know if all
> ecu's would throw that egr even if on a non california car?  i don't think
> i have to worry about it, just wondering.
>
> on the knock sensor both of mine are chipped up where the sensor bolts in,
> one of them has no covering on the whole run of wire, just metal strands.
>  just got a couple bosch new ones for cheap on ebay so will install those.
>
> the last one for the igntion reference sender brings up an issue i didn't
> know i had.  my car has no sensor on #4 wire and i found no connector in my
> harness but there is a run of 3 wires that was cut off.  does anybody know
> if this will effect how the computer runs things?  i have read it both ways
> searching.  i never noticed a problem with the car before i touched it
> except it was stinky and didn't get good mileage.  i don't even care about
> this as long as i pass smog.
>
> if i read right i also believe a car can have a 2 degree deviation from
> the stock timing specs so i think i might just take a chance with this car
> and set it as best as i can, even though the timing light jumps around.  i
> have talked with numerous people on each side of this issue as well.  some
> said their marks wandered, some said they don't.  hate to throw money at
> this car if i don't have to, but would enjoy making it right for the next
> guy when i get rid of it :)
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 5:52:49 PM UTC-7, hollandphillips wrote:
>>
>> Two knock sensors means 2.0/9A block.
>> On the timing issue, there is something that needs to be disconnected
>> prior to using a timing light. I can't remember what exactly it is, but I
>> think it's a vacuum line somewhere. Again, that information is in the
>> Bentley. Once the whatever is disconnected, the timing should be steady
>> when viewed with the timing light.
>> The timing advance on Motronic cars is controlled by the ECU, which is
>> why initial setting of the timing requires disconnecting whatever it is the
>> Bentley tells you. They do connect a timing sensor to the number one
>> cylinder spark plug lead when running an emissions test in California.
>> Don't know if it's just for reference to the machine, or if they can
>> actually fail you if it's out of spec.
>>
>> ~Holland
>> On Mar 24, 2016 17:04, "damac2004"  wrote:
>>
>> ok so ground showed no continuity to that sensor wire.  it does with pin
>> 7 i believe on the ecu connector,  so i guess i am good.  i kept getting
>> confused because people were talking about an insulated wire and im
>> thinking a nasty cable like for tv.  when looking these guys over as is,
>> they don't seem special looking to me.
>>
>> also i looked over the car again and i do have 2 knock sensors.  they are
>> on the front of the block close to each, closer to cylinder #1.  they each
>> attach to a harness connector  that goes into the loom and to the ecu.  so
>> if i remember right people said 1.8 blocks don't have 2?  yet i couldn't
>> fit the larger im shaft gear into this block that mates to the oil pump it
>> had the smaller block off plate hole?  so still not sure what i have.  in
>> included a picture down below.  hopefully i won't need to care.
>>
>> here is a link to video of my first cold startup.   for some reason it
>> took like 5 times to start like there was no gas, fuel pump was making
>> noise.  then it started right up.  can anybody tell if it sounds ok?  i am
>> now having an issue with timing the car.  i tried cold and after a warmup
>> cycle and i cannot get the pointer to stay still with the light on?  it
>> kind of lines up with the diamond and then it will shoot off a little bit
>> off one way or the other.  if i go further either way from where it is now,
>> when it shoots off it tends to go in that direction more.  i tried
>> connecting the lead near the distributor cap and at the head.  it seems to
>> like this spot the 

Re: [mk2-16v] how do i find out what engine i have?

[damac2004]

holy cow i hope to have a success story soon but i am not quite there yet 
for smog.  i went ahead and checked the codes and found i got an egr 
error, igntion reference sender and knock sensor #1 bad wiring or sender.

somebody told me i don't have a california ecu, does anybody know if all 
ecu's would throw that egr even if on a non california car?  i don't think 
i have to worry about it, just wondering.

on the knock sensor both of mine are chipped up where the sensor bolts in, 
one of them has no covering on the whole run of wire, just metal strands. 
 just got a couple bosch new ones for cheap on ebay so will install those.

the last one for the igntion reference sender brings up an issue i didn't 
know i had.  my car has no sensor on #4 wire and i found no connector in my 
harness but there is a run of 3 wires that was cut off.  does anybody know 
if this will effect how the computer runs things?  i have read it both ways 
searching.  i never noticed a problem with the car before i touched it 
except it was stinky and didn't get good mileage.  i don't even care about 
this as long as i pass smog.

if i read right i also believe a car can have a 2 degree deviation from the 
stock timing specs so i think i might just take a chance with this car and 
set it as best as i can, even though the timing light jumps around.  i have 
talked with numerous people on each side of this issue as well.  some said 
their marks wandered, some said they don't.  hate to throw money at this 
car if i don't have to, but would enjoy making it right for the next guy 
when i get rid of it :)

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 5:52:49 PM UTC-7, hollandphillips wrote:
>
> Two knock sensors means 2.0/9A block.
> On the timing issue, there is something that needs to be disconnected 
> prior to using a timing light. I can't remember what exactly it is, but I 
> think it's a vacuum line somewhere. Again, that information is in the 
> Bentley. Once the whatever is disconnected, the timing should be steady 
> when viewed with the timing light.
> The timing advance on Motronic cars is controlled by the ECU, which is why 
> initial setting of the timing requires disconnecting whatever it is the 
> Bentley tells you. They do connect a timing sensor to the number one 
> cylinder spark plug lead when running an emissions test in California. 
> Don't know if it's just for reference to the machine, or if they can 
> actually fail you if it's out of spec.
>
> ~Holland
> On Mar 24, 2016 17:04, "damac2004"  
> wrote:
>
> ok so ground showed no continuity to that sensor wire.  it does with pin 7 
> i believe on the ecu connector,  so i guess i am good.  i kept getting 
> confused because people were talking about an insulated wire and im 
> thinking a nasty cable like for tv.  when looking these guys over as is, 
> they don't seem special looking to me.
>
> also i looked over the car again and i do have 2 knock sensors.  they are 
> on the front of the block close to each, closer to cylinder #1.  they each 
> attach to a harness connector  that goes into the loom and to the ecu.  so 
> if i remember right people said 1.8 blocks don't have 2?  yet i couldn't 
> fit the larger im shaft gear into this block that mates to the oil pump it 
> had the smaller block off plate hole?  so still not sure what i have.  in 
> included a picture down below.  hopefully i won't need to care.
>
> here is a link to video of my first cold startup.   for some reason it 
> took like 5 times to start like there was no gas, fuel pump was making 
> noise.  then it started right up.  can anybody tell if it sounds ok?  i am 
> now having an issue with timing the car.  i tried cold and after a warmup 
> cycle and i cannot get the pointer to stay still with the light on?  it 
> kind of lines up with the diamond and then it will shoot off a little bit 
> off one way or the other.  if i go further either way from where it is now, 
> when it shoots off it tends to go in that direction more.  i tried 
> connecting the lead near the distributor cap and at the head.  it seems to 
> like this spot the best but im not sure how accurate it is.  im wondering 
> what impact this could have on smog if im a little off.  also not sure if 
> this means my car is having troubles or if my timing light is messed up.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB9yXn61pS8
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 10:32:11 AM UTC-7, stevenarguello wrote:
>
> I think that your loom is good, I wouldn’t mess with it anymore. The 
> Bentley shows a circle around the signal wire where that ground meets the 
> O2 signal wire instead of a splice and that’s what you have.  Maybe check 
> to be sure that there’s no continuity between the ground and the O2 signal 
> spade connector. 
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Holland Phillips