Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Alexandre Folle de Menezes 
Yes, " d' " is valid Portuguese.  But all others are Spanish, and I 
believe they should not be ommited in portuguese maps because they will 
not be assumed by the users.



Em 14/06/2017 15:14, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and Portuguese) I 
also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'", "el ", "la " in 
Brazil and/or Portugal


El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:

Hi Carlos,

In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br 
), we started using this new feature with 
the following configuration:

# portuguese
prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco", 
"Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"

prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "

Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to 
other prefixes.
With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of 
our index file (whole Brazil).


Regards,

Loss

2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes 
mailto:afmlis...@terra.com.br>>:


Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title
corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.

Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
(both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the
convention is.

Best regards,

Alexandre

Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:

Hi,
I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter.
That is also mentioned in the comments.
Ciao Gerd

 Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb 

Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common
prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous 
message):


-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more
countries and languages
- Improve comments


Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if
I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map
I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it
in the display project?




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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Alexandre Loss 
I agree!

2017-06-14 15:58 GMT-03:00 Carlos Dávila :

> Yes, I know. I just wanted to mention there are a few occurrences of them
> in Portuguese. I don't think including them will cause too much processing
> time penalty.
>
> El 14/06/17 a las 20:17, Alexandre Loss escribió:
>
>> Hi Carlos,
>> These are most common prefixes for Spanish language.
>> [],
>> Loss
>>
>> 2017-06-14 15:14 GMT-03:00 Carlos Dávila > >:
>>
>> Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and
>> Portuguese) I also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'",
>> "el ", "la " in Brazil and/or Portugal
>>
>> El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br
>>  ), we
>> started using this new feature with the following configuration:
>> # portuguese
>> prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco",
>> "Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
>> prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "
>>
>> Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion
>> to other prefixes.
>> With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the
>> size of our index file (whole Brazil).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Loss
>>
>> 2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes
>> mailto:afmlis...@terra.com.br>
>> >>:
>>
>>
>> Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the
>> title
>> corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.
>>
>> Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
>> (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
>> they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure
>> what the
>> convention is.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>> Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I think with the current code the order really doesn't
>> matter.
>> That is also mentioned in the comments.
>> Ciao Gerd
>>
>>  Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb 
>>
>> Hola Carlos,
>>
>> I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic
>> order.  I
>> believe it would be way more efficient to put the most
>> common
>> prefixes first.
>>
>> For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a
>> previous message):
>>
>> -# portugese
>> -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
>> -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
>> +# portuguese
>> +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda",
>> "Beco"
>> +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>> Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>>
>> El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
>>
>> Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on
>> Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>>
>> - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida
>> which adds more
>> countries and languages
>> - Improve comments
>>
>> Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
>> I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig
>> file. I think if
>> I could somehow get a file with the list of road
>> names in a map
>> I could advance faster in this task. Is there any
>> tool to get it
>> in the display project?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Carlos Dávila 
Yes, I know. I just wanted to mention there are a few occurrences of 
them in Portuguese. I don't think including them will cause too much 
processing time penalty.


El 14/06/17 a las 20:17, Alexandre Loss escribió:

Hi Carlos,
These are most common prefixes for Spanish language.
[],
Loss

2017-06-14 15:14 GMT-03:00 Carlos Dávila >:


Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and
Portuguese) I also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'",
"el ", "la " in Brazil and/or Portugal

El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:

Hi Carlos,

In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br
 ), we
started using this new feature with the following configuration:
# portuguese
prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco",
"Praça", "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "

Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion
to other prefixes.
With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the
size of our index file (whole Brazil).

Regards,

Loss

2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes
mailto:afmlis...@terra.com.br>
>>:

Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the
title
corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.

Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
(both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure
what the
convention is.

Best regards,

Alexandre

Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:

Hi,
I think with the current code the order really doesn't
matter.
That is also mentioned in the comments.
Ciao Gerd

 Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb 

Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic
order.  I
believe it would be way more efficient to put the most
common
prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a
previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda",
"Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on
Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida
which adds more
countries and languages
- Improve comments

Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig
file. I think if
I could somehow get a file with the list of road
names in a map
I could advance faster in this task. Is there any
tool to get it
in the display project?





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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Alexandre Loss 
Hi Carlos,
These are most common prefixes for Spanish language.
[],
Loss

2017-06-14 15:14 GMT-03:00 Carlos Dávila :

> Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and Portuguese) I also
> found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'", "el ", "la " in Brazil and/or
> Portugal
>
> El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:
>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br <
>> http://tracksource.org.br>), we started using this new feature with the
>> following configuration:
>> # portuguese
>> prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco", "Praça",
>> "Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
>> prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "
>>
>> Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to other
>> prefixes.
>> With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of our
>> index file (whole Brazil).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Loss
>>
>> 2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes <
>> afmlis...@terra.com.br >:
>>
>> Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title
>> corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.
>>
>> Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
>> (both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
>> they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the
>> convention is.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>> Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter.
>>> That is also mentioned in the comments.
>>> Ciao Gerd
>>>
>>>  Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb 
>>>
>>> Hola Carlos,
>>>
>>> I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
>>> believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common
>>> prefixes first.
>>>
>>> For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):
>>>
>>> -# portugese
>>> -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
>>> -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
>>> +# portuguese
>>> +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
>>> +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
>>> Saludos,
>>>
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>> Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>>>
 El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

> Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>
> - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more
> countries and languages
> - Improve comments
>
> Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
 I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if
 I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map
 I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it
 in the display project?

>>>
>>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Carlos Dávila 
Working on "Avenida" prefix (shared between Spanish and Portuguese) I 
also found a few cases with "de las", "del , "d'", "el ", "la " in 
Brazil and/or Portugal


El 14/06/17 a las 20:03, Alexandre Loss escribió:

Hi Carlos,

In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br 
), we started using this new feature with 
the following configuration:

# portuguese
prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco", "Praça", 
"Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"

prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "

Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to 
other prefixes.
With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of 
our index file (whole Brazil).


Regards,

Loss

2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes 
mailto:afmlis...@terra.com.br>>:


Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title
corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.

Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added
(both mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but
they since are not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the
convention is.

Best regards,

Alexandre

Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:

Hi,
I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter.
That is also mentioned in the comments.
Ciao Gerd

 Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb 

Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I
believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common
prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more
countries and languages
- Improve comments


Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if
I could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map
I could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it
in the display project?




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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Alexandre Loss 
Hi Carlos,

In our project here in Brazil (tracksource.org.br), we started using this
new feature with the following configuration:
# portuguese
prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco", "Praça",
"Rotatória", "Via", "Viela", "Estrada"
prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos ", "para "

Gradually and with more tests we should consider the expansion to other
prefixes.
With this configuration we obtained a 27 MB reduction in the size of our
index file (whole Brazil).

Regards,

Loss

2017-06-14 14:38 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Folle de Menezes <
afmlis...@terra.com.br>:

> Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title corrected
> ("Portug*u*ese") and "Beco" added.
>
> Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added (both mean
> "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but they since are not
> common in urban areas, I am not sure what the convention is.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alexandre
> Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:
>
> Hi,
> I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter. That is
> also mentioned in the comments.
> Ciao Gerd
>
>  Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb 
>
> Hola Carlos,
>
> I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe it
> would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.
>
> For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):
>
> -# portugese
> -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
> -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
> +# portuguese
> +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
> +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
>
> Saludos,
>
> Alexandre
>
> Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>
> El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
>
> Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017
>
> - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and
> languages
> - Improve comments
>
> Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
> I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could
> somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance
> faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?
>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Alexandre Folle de Menezes 
Fine then, my mistake.  But I still would like to have the title 
corrected ("Portug_u_ese") and "Beco" added.


Also, I am not sure if "Estrada" and "Rodovia" should be added (both 
mean "Road").  I am currently using both on my maps, but they since are 
not common in urban areas, I am not sure what the convention is.


Best regards,

Alexandre

Em 14/06/2017 13:24, Gerd Petermann escreveu:

Hi,
I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter. That is 
also mentioned in the comments.

Ciao Gerd

 Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb 

Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order. I believe 
it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.


For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries 
and languages

- Improve comments


Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I 
could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could 
advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the 
display project?



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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Alexandre Folle de Menezes 
Sorry, I was not very clear.  What I meant was that mkgmap will run 
quicker if the most common prefixes are placed first.  But I did not 
check the code, maybe Gerd can confirm/deny my supposition.


Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 14/06/2017 12:06, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
In what way do you think it is more efficient? I thought you could be 
talking about roads including more than one prefix1 in their name, eg. 
"Avenida de la Calle Mayor", but I tested that name and I can't see 
any difference in search behavior on MapSource. By the way, I found 
that when road name includes two words listed in prefix1 you can still 
search by the original full name:

Road name: Avenida de la Calle Mayor
prefix1:es = "Alameda", "Avenida", "Calle", "Callecita", "Paseo" (or 
"Alameda", "Calle", "Avenida", "Callecita", "Paseo")

You can search both Avenida de la Calle Mayor and Calle Mayor
Perhaps that can give a clue to include original name in all cases

El 14/06/17 a las 15:11, Alexandre Folle de Menezes escribió:


Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I 
believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common 
prefixes first.


For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more 
countries and languages

- Improve comments


Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I 
could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I 
could advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in 
the display project?


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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Data / routing issue - Vancouver, BC ferries

2017-06-14 Thread Gerd Petermann 
Hi,
I do not yet believe that the service roads are causing this. I saw 
+1000km detours when reverting a much shorter route. I cannot test 
it during the next weeks
Ciao Gerd

 Samuel Longiaru schrieb 

Hi Andrzej,

I like the simplicity of the tag idea, but implementation I'm sure would
be rather spotty.  Adding the logic to mkgmap would make more sense I
think as it would be immediately and universally applicable.  As you
say, there may be even more cases beyond the ferry setting where such
logic could be applied, and if not accommodated by mkgmap, would need to
be re-tagged in OSM.



On 17-06-14 05:17 AM, Andrzej Popowski wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> ferries get class 3 for routing, which is high. They should be easily
> used in routing when allowed in GPS.
>
> If the problem really is low routing class of service roads, then I
> see 2 solutions:
>
> Convince OSM mappers to add more tags for "highway=service". This
> could be for example "service=ferry". Or add any other indication,
> that these roads carry important traffic, for example include roads in
> a relation. Then this could be processed by mkgmap.
>
> Second solution would be to try to catch the problem by mkgmap. I
> think there are more similar cases, where 2 important roads are
> connected by a link or roundabout with significantly lower routing
> class. Mkgmap could include following algorithm:
>
> Find all suspicious objects, like highway links, roundabouts, service
> roads connected to a ferry and analyze other roads connected to this
> object. If any of these other roads get road_class 3 or 4, then
> increase road_class of processed object accordingly to 3 or 4.
>

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Gerd Petermann 
Hi,
I think with the current code the order really doesn't matter. That is also 
mentioned in the comments.
Ciao Gerd

 Alexandre Folle de Menezes schrieb 


Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe it 
would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.

For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"


Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and 
languages
- Improve comments

Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could 
somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance faster 
in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?



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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Data / routing issue - Vancouver, BC ferries

2017-06-14 Thread Samuel Longiaru 
Hi Andrzej,

I like the simplicity of the tag idea, but implementation I'm sure would
be rather spotty.  Adding the logic to mkgmap would make more sense I
think as it would be immediately and universally applicable.  As you
say, there may be even more cases beyond the ferry setting where such
logic could be applied, and if not accommodated by mkgmap, would need to
be re-tagged in OSM.



On 17-06-14 05:17 AM, Andrzej Popowski wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> ferries get class 3 for routing, which is high. They should be easily
> used in routing when allowed in GPS.
>
> If the problem really is low routing class of service roads, then I
> see 2 solutions:
>
> Convince OSM mappers to add more tags for "highway=service". This
> could be for example "service=ferry". Or add any other indication,
> that these roads carry important traffic, for example include roads in
> a relation. Then this could be processed by mkgmap.
>
> Second solution would be to try to catch the problem by mkgmap. I
> think there are more similar cases, where 2 important roads are
> connected by a link or roundabout with significantly lower routing
> class. Mkgmap could include following algorithm:
>
> Find all suspicious objects, like highway links, roundabouts, service
> roads connected to a ferry and analyze other roads connected to this
> object. If any of these other roads get road_class 3 or 4, then
> increase road_class of processed object accordingly to 3 or 4.
>

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Dave Swarthout 
Is anyone interested in adding a section for Thailand?I don't know how to
add them to the configuration file .

There are only a few prefixes in use in Thailand, the most common by far is
"thanon" (ถนน = road), and a few names begin with "soi" (ซอย = lane). Most
often you find the word "soi" at the end of a street name, for example,
Thanon Mahidol Soi 5 (Mahidol Road Lane 5).

Having just those two prefixes in play would help a lot.

Cheers,

Dave

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Carlos Dávila 
wrote:

> In what way do you think it is more efficient? I thought you could be
> talking about roads including more than one prefix1 in their name, eg.
> "Avenida de la Calle Mayor", but I tested that name and I can't see any
> difference in search behavior on MapSource. By the way, I found that when
> road name includes two words listed in prefix1 you can still search by the
> original full name:
> Road name: Avenida de la Calle Mayor
> prefix1:es = "Alameda", "Avenida", "Calle", "Callecita", "Paseo" (or
> "Alameda", "Calle", "Avenida", "Callecita", "Paseo")
> You can search both Avenida de la Calle Mayor and Calle Mayor
> Perhaps that can give a clue to include original name in all cases
>
> El 14/06/17 a las 15:11, Alexandre Folle de Menezes escribió:
>
>
>> Hola Carlos,
>>
>> I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe
>> it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.
>>
>> For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):
>>
>> -# portugese
>> -prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
>> -prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
>> +# portuguese
>> +prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
>> +prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>> Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:
>>
>>> El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:
>>>
 Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

 - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries
 and languages
 - Improve comments

 Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
>>> I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I could
>>> somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could advance
>>> faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the display project?
>>>
>>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Carlos Dávila 
In what way do you think it is more efficient? I thought you could be 
talking about roads including more than one prefix1 in their name, eg. 
"Avenida de la Calle Mayor", but I tested that name and I can't see any 
difference in search behavior on MapSource. By the way, I found that 
when road name includes two words listed in prefix1 you can still search 
by the original full name:

Road name: Avenida de la Calle Mayor
prefix1:es = "Alameda", "Avenida", "Calle", "Callecita", "Paseo" (or 
"Alameda", "Calle", "Avenida", "Callecita", "Paseo")

You can search both Avenida de la Calle Mayor and Calle Mayor
Perhaps that can give a clue to include original name in all cases

El 14/06/17 a las 15:11, Alexandre Folle de Menezes escribió:


Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I 
believe it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes 
first.


For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"
Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries 
and languages

- Improve comments


Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I 
could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could 
advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the 
display project?


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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Commit r3971: - roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries and languages

2017-06-14 Thread Alexandre Folle de Menezes 

Hola Carlos,

I see that you are listing the prefixes in alphabetic order.  I believe 
it would be way more efficient to put the most common prefixes first.


For Portuguese, that would be (as I suggested in a previous message):

-# portugese
-prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa"
-prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "de ", "das ", "dos "
+# portuguese
+prefix1:pt = "Rua", "Avenida", "Travessa", "Alameda", "Beco"
+prefix2:pt = "da ", "do ", "das ", "dos ", "de ", "d'"

Saludos,

Alexandre

Em 13/06/2017 18:19, Carlos Dávila escreveu:

El 12/06/17 a las 06:22, svn commit escribió:

Version mkgmap-r3971 was committed by gerd on Mon, 12 Jun 2017

- roadNameConfig_v1.patch by Carlos Davida which adds more countries 
and languages

- Improve comments


Attached is version 2 of roadNameConfig.patch
I'm working in the completion of roadNameConfig file. I think if I 
could somehow get a file with the list of road names in a map I could 
advance faster in this task. Is there any tool to get it in the 
display project?



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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Data / routing issue - Vancouver, BC ferries

2017-06-14 Thread Andrzej Popowski 

Hi Sam,

ferries get class 3 for routing, which is high. They should be easily 
used in routing when allowed in GPS.


If the problem really is low routing class of service roads, then I see 
2 solutions:


Convince OSM mappers to add more tags for "highway=service". This could 
be for example "service=ferry". Or add any other indication, that these 
roads carry important traffic, for example include roads in a relation. 
Then this could be processed by mkgmap.


Second solution would be to try to catch the problem by mkgmap. I think 
there are more similar cases, where 2 important roads are connected by a 
link or roundabout with significantly lower routing class. Mkgmap could 
include following algorithm:


Find all suspicious objects, like highway links, roundabouts, service 
roads connected to a ferry and analyze other roads connected to this 
object. If any of these other roads get road_class 3 or 4, then increase 
road_class of processed object accordingly to 3 or 4.


--
Best regards,
Andrzej



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