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Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

2021-02-09 Thread Mike Baggaley

HI Joris,

I do not think we should be hard coding non-standard tags into mkgmap, even
if there are a number of them in some countries.

cycleway:left=opposite, cycleway:left=opposite_lane and
cycleway:left=opposite_track are all non-standard and to me don't make any
sense.

I suggest you add something like
cycleway:left=opposite | cycleway:left=opposite_lane |
cycleway:left=opposite_track | cycleway:right=opposite | cycleway:right
=opposite_lane | cycleway:right =opposite_track { add cycleway=opposite } to
your lines file if you want to use them.

Cheers,
Mike


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From: Joris Bo [mailto:jori...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 09 February 2021 11:09
To: Development list for mkgmap 
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Gerd,

Indeed short way of saying cycleway:left=opposite_lane or
cycleway:left=opposite_track
Like you have 
cycleway=opposite |
cycleway=opposite_lane |
cycleway=opposite_track |

I would also think the others are enough but when I checked taginfo it is
more commonly used then cycleway:left=opposite_track 
So seems valid to me...



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mkgmap-dev  Namens Gerd
Petermann
Verzonden: dinsdag 9 februari 2021 10:37
Aan: Development list for mkgmap 
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Joris,

I just wonder what cycleway:left=opposite means. Same with the already
supported cycleway:left=opposite_lane. Do you know a place where this makes
sense?

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von
Joris Bo 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2021 10:20
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Gerd,

I came accross tagging
cycleway:left=opposite
cycleway:right=opposite

Overpass says that there are about 3200 ways in France/Belgium for this
situation

These are not mentioned in your e-mail post as possible tagging to create
synthesize roads, if I'am correct Would it be possible to add these options?


Mentioned in your post
oneway:bicycle=no |
bicycle:oneway=no |
cycleway=opposite |
cycleway=opposite_lane |
cycleway=opposite_track |
cycleway:left=opposite_lane |
cycleway:right=opposite_lane |
cycleway:left=opposite_track |
cycleway:right=opposite_track



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mkgmap-dev  Namens Gerd
Petermann
Verzonden: maandag 8 februari 2021 16:17
Aan: Development list for mkgmap 
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Joris,

the java code creates a copy of the original way and removes various
possibly existing access tags, it sets access=no,
bicycle=yes,oneway=no,mkgmap:synthesised=yes

I would not add foot=* as the original might have something equivalent to
foot=no.
In fact there should be no need for any special handling in the style unless
you want to assign a special typ.

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von
Joris Bo 
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 13:30
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi,


I'm trying to improve routing for my bicycle and the oneway allowed for
bicycles by using the --make-opposite-cycleway option But I was wondering
what the criteria are for creating such extra cycleways.
I have read some earlier posts an 'll found Gerd's  comments on
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgmap-dev/2014q2/020818.html

But the manual does not state what is actually implemented. Is there some
more documentation somewhere?

As far as I understand now

  *   Only if a highway has oneway=yes AND (some variants of oneway:bicycle
= no) then
  *   Mkgmap will create an extra highway line with (mkgmap:synthesised =
yes)
  *   Within my style file I'll pick up the mkgmap:synthesised=yes and
assign an "invisible overlay routeable highway" line and then
 *   Remove the oneway-tag (which applies to cars)
 *   set mkgmap:bicycle/foot=yes
 *   set mkgmap:car/hgv/bus/delivery=no

Is that correct?
Thx for helping me out


Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

2021-02-09 Thread Gerd Petermann

Hi Joris,

the wiki says that cycleway:left and cycleway:right are incompatible with 
opposite_lane. The value opposite is not even mentioned. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway:left
This section was added in 2019. 
See also 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Problems_with_opposite.2A_values
My current thinking is that I should better remove the handling of the invalid 
values instead as I am not sure if they really mean that bicycles are allowed 
in both directions. 

Gerd

Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2021 12:09
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Gerd,

Indeed short way of saying cycleway:left=opposite_lane or 
cycleway:left=opposite_track
Like you have
cycleway=opposite |
cycleway=opposite_lane |
cycleway=opposite_track |

I would also think the others are enough but when I checked taginfo it is more 
commonly used then cycleway:left=opposite_track
So seems valid to me...



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mkgmap-dev  Namens Gerd Petermann
Verzonden: dinsdag 9 februari 2021 10:37
Aan: Development list for mkgmap 
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Joris,

I just wonder what cycleway:left=opposite means. Same with the already 
supported cycleway:left=opposite_lane. Do you know a place where this makes 
sense?

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2021 10:20
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Gerd,

I came accross tagging
cycleway:left=opposite
cycleway:right=opposite

Overpass says that there are about 3200 ways in France/Belgium for this 
situation

These are not mentioned in your e-mail post as possible tagging to create 
synthesize roads, if I'am correct Would it be possible to add these options?


Mentioned in your post
oneway:bicycle=no |
bicycle:oneway=no |
cycleway=opposite |
cycleway=opposite_lane |
cycleway=opposite_track |
cycleway:left=opposite_lane |
cycleway:right=opposite_lane |
cycleway:left=opposite_track |
cycleway:right=opposite_track



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mkgmap-dev  Namens Gerd Petermann
Verzonden: maandag 8 februari 2021 16:17
Aan: Development list for mkgmap 
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Joris,

the java code creates a copy of the original way and removes various possibly 
existing access tags, it sets access=no, 
bicycle=yes,oneway=no,mkgmap:synthesised=yes

I would not add foot=* as the original might have something equivalent to 
foot=no.
In fact there should be no need for any special handling in the style unless 
you want to assign a special typ.

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 13:30
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi,


I'm trying to improve routing for my bicycle and the oneway allowed for 
bicycles by using the --make-opposite-cycleway option But I was wondering what 
the criteria are for creating such extra cycleways.
I have read some earlier posts an 'll found Gerd's  comments on 
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgmap-dev/2014q2/020818.html

But the manual does not state what is actually implemented. Is there some more 
documentation somewhere?

As far as I understand now

  *   Only if a highway has oneway=yes AND (some variants of oneway:bicycle = 
no) then
  *   Mkgmap will create an extra highway line with (mkgmap:synthesised = yes)
  *   Within my style file I'll pick up the mkgmap:synthesised=yes and assign 
an "invisible overlay routeable highway" line and then
 *   Remove the oneway-tag (which applies to cars)
 *   set mkgmap:bicycle/foot=yes
 *   set mkgmap:car/hgv/bus/delivery=no

Is that correct?
Thx for helping me out


Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

2021-02-09 Thread Joris Bo

Hi Gerd,

Indeed short way of saying cycleway:left=opposite_lane or 
cycleway:left=opposite_track
Like you have 
cycleway=opposite |
cycleway=opposite_lane |
cycleway=opposite_track |

I would also think the others are enough but when I checked taginfo it is more 
commonly used then cycleway:left=opposite_track 
So seems valid to me...



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mkgmap-dev  Namens Gerd Petermann
Verzonden: dinsdag 9 februari 2021 10:37
Aan: Development list for mkgmap 
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Joris,

I just wonder what cycleway:left=opposite means. Same with the already 
supported cycleway:left=opposite_lane. Do you know a place where this makes 
sense?

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2021 10:20
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Gerd,

I came accross tagging
cycleway:left=opposite
cycleway:right=opposite

Overpass says that there are about 3200 ways in France/Belgium for this 
situation

These are not mentioned in your e-mail post as possible tagging to create 
synthesize roads, if I'am correct Would it be possible to add these options?


Mentioned in your post
oneway:bicycle=no |
bicycle:oneway=no |
cycleway=opposite |
cycleway=opposite_lane |
cycleway=opposite_track |
cycleway:left=opposite_lane |
cycleway:right=opposite_lane |
cycleway:left=opposite_track |
cycleway:right=opposite_track



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mkgmap-dev  Namens Gerd Petermann
Verzonden: maandag 8 februari 2021 16:17
Aan: Development list for mkgmap 
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Joris,

the java code creates a copy of the original way and removes various possibly 
existing access tags, it sets access=no, 
bicycle=yes,oneway=no,mkgmap:synthesised=yes

I would not add foot=* as the original might have something equivalent to 
foot=no.
In fact there should be no need for any special handling in the style unless 
you want to assign a special typ.

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 13:30
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi,


I'm trying to improve routing for my bicycle and the oneway allowed for 
bicycles by using the --make-opposite-cycleway option But I was wondering what 
the criteria are for creating such extra cycleways.
I have read some earlier posts an 'll found Gerd's  comments on 
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgmap-dev/2014q2/020818.html

But the manual does not state what is actually implemented. Is there some more 
documentation somewhere?

As far as I understand now

  *   Only if a highway has oneway=yes AND (some variants of oneway:bicycle = 
no) then
  *   Mkgmap will create an extra highway line with (mkgmap:synthesised = yes)
  *   Within my style file I'll pick up the mkgmap:synthesised=yes and assign 
an "invisible overlay routeable highway" line and then
 *   Remove the oneway-tag (which applies to cars)
 *   set mkgmap:bicycle/foot=yes
 *   set mkgmap:car/hgv/bus/delivery=no

Is that correct?
Thx for helping me out


Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

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[mkgmap-dev] Pending changes

2021-02-09 Thread Carlos Dávila

On [1] Ticker proposed a set of changes to default style lines file. 
There was a long discussion about point #14, which ended without a 
consensus. Other changes didn't get any objection, but they didn't get 
into trunk. I agree with numbers 1, 6, 8, 10, 15, 17, 18. Also with 7 
and 16, but for unconnected ways only, see #3.


2: more codes could be added for wider highways and their corresponding 
entries in mapnik.txt


3: not sure about this one, specially about semi-connected ways, which I 
think should remain as routable (also applies for 7, 16).


[1] http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgmap-dev/2020q3/031375.html

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

2021-02-09 Thread Gerd Petermann

Hi Joris,

I just wonder what cycleway:left=opposite means. Same with the already 
supported cycleway:left=opposite_lane. Do you know a place where this makes 
sense?

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Februar 2021 10:20
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Gerd,

I came accross tagging
cycleway:left=opposite
cycleway:right=opposite

Overpass says that there are about 3200 ways in France/Belgium for this 
situation

These are not mentioned in your e-mail post as possible tagging to create 
synthesize roads, if I'am correct
Would it be possible to add these options?


Mentioned in your post
oneway:bicycle=no |
bicycle:oneway=no |
cycleway=opposite |
cycleway=opposite_lane |
cycleway=opposite_track |
cycleway:left=opposite_lane |
cycleway:right=opposite_lane |
cycleway:left=opposite_track |
cycleway:right=opposite_track



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mkgmap-dev  Namens Gerd Petermann
Verzonden: maandag 8 februari 2021 16:17
Aan: Development list for mkgmap 
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Joris,

the java code creates a copy of the original way and removes various possibly 
existing access tags, it sets access=no, 
bicycle=yes,oneway=no,mkgmap:synthesised=yes

I would not add foot=* as the original might have something equivalent to 
foot=no.
In fact there should be no need for any special handling in the style unless 
you want to assign a special typ.

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 13:30
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi,


I'm trying to improve routing for my bicycle and the oneway allowed for 
bicycles by using the --make-opposite-cycleway option But I was wondering what 
the criteria are for creating such extra cycleways.
I have read some earlier posts an 'll found Gerd's  comments on 
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgmap-dev/2014q2/020818.html

But the manual does not state what is actually implemented. Is there some more 
documentation somewhere?

As far as I understand now

  *   Only if a highway has oneway=yes AND (some variants of oneway:bicycle = 
no) then
  *   Mkgmap will create an extra highway line with (mkgmap:synthesised = yes)
  *   Within my style file I'll pick up the mkgmap:synthesised=yes and assign 
an "invisible overlay routeable highway" line and then
 *   Remove the oneway-tag (which applies to cars)
 *   set mkgmap:bicycle/foot=yes
 *   set mkgmap:car/hgv/bus/delivery=no

Is that correct?
Thx for helping me out


Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

2021-02-09 Thread Joris Bo

Hi Gerd,

I came accross tagging
cycleway:left=opposite
cycleway:right=opposite

Overpass says that there are about 3200 ways in France/Belgium for this 
situation

These are not mentioned in your e-mail post as possible tagging to create 
synthesize roads, if I'am correct
Would it be possible to add these options?


Mentioned in your post
oneway:bicycle=no |
bicycle:oneway=no | 
cycleway=opposite |
cycleway=opposite_lane |
cycleway=opposite_track | 
cycleway:left=opposite_lane |
cycleway:right=opposite_lane | 
cycleway:left=opposite_track |
cycleway:right=opposite_track



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mkgmap-dev  Namens Gerd Petermann
Verzonden: maandag 8 februari 2021 16:17
Aan: Development list for mkgmap 
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi Joris,

the java code creates a copy of the original way and removes various possibly 
existing access tags, it sets access=no, 
bicycle=yes,oneway=no,mkgmap:synthesised=yes

I would not add foot=* as the original might have something equivalent to 
foot=no.
In fact there should be no need for any special handling in the style unless 
you want to assign a special typ.

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 13:30
An: Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] opposite-cycleways option

Hi,


I'm trying to improve routing for my bicycle and the oneway allowed for 
bicycles by using the --make-opposite-cycleway option But I was wondering what 
the criteria are for creating such extra cycleways.
I have read some earlier posts an 'll found Gerd's  comments on 
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/pipermail/mkgmap-dev/2014q2/020818.html

But the manual does not state what is actually implemented. Is there some more 
documentation somewhere?

As far as I understand now

  *   Only if a highway has oneway=yes AND (some variants of oneway:bicycle = 
no) then
  *   Mkgmap will create an extra highway line with (mkgmap:synthesised = yes)
  *   Within my style file I'll pick up the mkgmap:synthesised=yes and assign 
an "invisible overlay routeable highway" line and then
 *   Remove the oneway-tag (which applies to cars)
 *   set mkgmap:bicycle/foot=yes
 *   set mkgmap:car/hgv/bus/delivery=no

Is that correct?
Thx for helping me out


Met vriendelijke groeten,

Joris Bo
jori...@hotmail.com

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